-First, I noticed the title is incorrect, sorry for that, english isn’t my native language-

One of the PP Paranoids claims is that the entities are bad, and that Earth is a closed system encircled by demons that are custodian and that don't want you to exit from it.

If you investigate a bit, you discover that the Architect behind Prison Planet theory is David Icke, that I suppose mostly of you knows. Not sure if he's the real inventor of this, but he surely normalized it toward people. If you know David Icke books, you will notice it's full of contradictions and looting from other peoples.
One of his books called ''The Trap'' talks about it. I don't personally own the book, but it's more like a personal biography, something he seem to made to write another book and make extra money by Looshing his loyal fanbase money. I've read a lucid review that talks about the book.

In this book, he claim that at some point he was contacted by an entity called ''K.'', a former schoolmate which is supposed to be dead. A medium confirmed that to him (probably Betty Shine)
Later, he made some investigation and discovered that ''K.'' was still alive and that the presence immediately disappeared after that. Icke eventually ends to think the entity was a demon trying to fool him for some reasons.
It's interesting the total trust that Icke has for mediums, as if anyone of them can't make mistake or lie. I'm not saying that mediums are fake, but surely that Icke appeal to them to ''discover truths'' it's pretty strange, considering that according to his paranoic logic, the medium could channelize a demon that lie to him, even if he never ask himself about it since it's entire book propaganda is based on a medium that tell him that he's the chosen one (read down here).

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So now we return to the point I was talking about. The PP hypotesis claim that all the entities are liars and that the source is far, since this is a Prison Planet, closed to everyone else except demons entities. -It never explain why souls ended up here btw, like we are just victims and nothing else-

If you open the book ''Perception Deception'' (that I own) he claim this:

1. “He is a healer, he is here to heal the Earth, and he will become famous all over the world.”

2. “Spiritually, he is still a child, but his spirit will become much richer.”

3. “Sometimes he will say things without knowing where they come from. They will be our words.”

4. “Knowledge will be infused into his mind, while at other times he will be guided toward it.” (Point 3 and 4, It’s funny because, in one of his books, I think perception deception itself Icke seem to complains about people who are subject to automatic writing/channeling messages trought automatic writings.")

5. “As a young man, he was chosen for his courage. He was tested and passed all the exams.”

6. “He was brought to football to learn discipline, but once he had learned it, it was time to go beyond. He also learned to face disappointments and to experience all the emotions and confront them. The path of the spirit is full of obstacles and no one can smooth it out.”

7. “He will always have what he needs/what he wants.”

During one of his trip in South America, David Icke experimented an ayahuasca trip where he had a talk of 6 hours with an entity that he define Infinite Consciousness/Source

The problem with all this stuff is that Icke and PP Cult worshippers claims that all the contacts someone can have with entities are demons, liars and deceivers, but when its Icke, we should place extreme trust on what he says and follow his narrative that he has been chosen by God to teach the truth to humanity.

So why he can't he have been deceived? Why his own perception can't be manipulated? Why it's always ''the others'' and never himself? Maybe he has been love bombed by these entities that told him he was special and that he would have reveal the truth to people. I suppose because the entire narrative is that David Icke is some kind of Avatara sent to earth to heal the world. The fact that Icke was initially deceived by ''K.'' just reinforce his narrative: ''I recognize evil and good entities!''

For what we knows all these events should have been invented to fuel his own narrative. This entire way of thinking looks like an hypocrite way of thinking, a Doublethink as many might know. There is a lot of other things in Icke contraddictive books.

First of all, I'm happy that this group exist, meaning that some people didn't forgot that they have a brain and they can use it to discern and don't believe in everything some fake gurus says. I made this text but I know is incomplete, but it might help someone understand how all this stuff works, why someone believe in this Hypotesis. If you see some errors, it's because I automatically translated the text because I don't usually write in english.

And, I know not all the people on the PP hypotesis are how I describe them, I know that mostly of this mass is like that, but there is also people here that aren't sure with the hypotesis and want to understand better, so I'm not saying ALL the people are like this, but just mostly of the people.

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My Experience with the Prison Planet Cult

My experience with this cult was deeply negative. Let’s start from the beginning:
When I was about 11 or 12 years old, for some reason I ended up being “friends” online with a man I didn’t actually know in real life. He used to post countless memes about reptilians, global conspiracies, chemtrails, the Illuminati, and so on. I believed everything except the reptilian part, since that seemed too absurd — but I believed the rest.
I was twelve, and today I could describe it as a kind of mental abuse, but I don’t want to play the victim. It’s my own fault that, for some reason, I fell into that vortex. Later I found out that all those memes came straight from David Icke’s book The Perception Deception.

Over time, I set those theories aside, though the general conspiratorial mindset remained. My young mind had already been conditioned to think in a certain way — the shock of ideas like “the powerful rule the world” or “we can’t fight back unless we tell everyone” had already shaped my worldview.

In mid-2019, I happened to read Orwell’s 1984, and somehow it reawakened some dormant neurons — just a few months before the pandemic began.
At that time, I was an atheist but had become terrified by the idea of death, so I started researching spirituality, metaphysics, and similar topics online. I was falling into a kind of nihilism from which I desperately needed to free myself, since I thought constantly about death and how useless life was because of it. I was trying to decondition myself from my childhood education and to understand that death might not be the end of everything.

My family has a history of mental illness, I always struggled in school, my father had an accident that nearly killed him, and my mother once tried to cut her wrists in front of my eyes. When I was 15, my friends began drinking, smoking, and using drugs. I was left alone, because they only met up to party or use substances — things that didn’t interest me at all. We were no longer really friends.

So, like many others who are drawn to such theories, I understand very well that there’s a certain predisposition to see the world in a dark way — but just because we see one harsh side of reality doesn’t mean our convictions should blind us. There are millions of people who see life as a gift and a beautiful experience. And I too, in recent years, have had wonderful experiences.
I don’t need to play the victim and say, “Look, my childhood was terrible, so this world must be fake and a prison.” Life isn’t only beautiful or ugly — even those who seem happy have gone through pain.

The idea of creating an enemy — them, the happy ones who love life because they’re deluded, and us, the “awakened” ones who have seen through the illusion — is the real trap. It’s narcissistic, but I’ll explain that later.

Across the ocean, in the U.S., I have relatives — one of them, whom I see as a kind of adoptive father, also had problems with his mother and grandmother (who are related to me). What he told me, and what I’ll never forget, was: “They choose not to be happy.”
He’s not wrong. Despite losing his wonderful wife, he hasn’t stopped seeing the world positively — despite the same cult we’re talking about. A person with a victim mindset would say, “See, the world is hell! If it were a good place, this wouldn’t happen! The world is a prison.” And if you disagree, you’re just a “sleeping NPC.”

After breaking down the walls of my atheist education, I renounced all of that and began studying spiritual and esoteric subjects. Right at the beginning of that path, YouTube recommended me videos from a girl talking about vibrations, conspiracies, etc., sometimes quoting Icke word for word. At that time, I was ready to believe anything. Having torn down my critical walls, I let anyone enter my inner city — my body and mind — and take over.

Since I had already been conditioned to Icke’s themes as a child, everything he said seemed plausible to me, and I didn’t care where his sources came from. I just believed. I bought The Perception Deception, over 1,000 pages of horrifying “revelations,” becoming completely engineered by Icke’s universe. Only later did I discover that much of what he said was baseless — distorted, manipulated, stolen, or simply false. His books contained no actual sources, only references like, “If you want to know more, I’ve already written about it in my other book…”

Then I bought The Biggest Secret, which made me realize just how unreliable Icke was, since that older book contradicted his own later “shocking discoveries.” When the pandemic hit, he capitalized on it completely: “See? I told you so.”
Let’s remember that Icke famously predicted in the 1990s that global upheavals, earthquakes, tsunamis, and the end of the world would come in 1997. Two quotes sum him up:

That’s David Icke. You can buy his books, subscribe to Ickonic, purchase his T-shirts and hats, or attend his worldwide conferences. Let’s not forget that this same man criticized the 2012 Olympic Games, claiming the reptilians were draining energy during the opening ceremony — the same stadium where he himself later gave a speech that same year.

After that, I stopped trusting Icke and turned to Greek philosophy, reading Plato. The Socratic dialogues (Symposium, Apology, Phaedo, Crito) are essential to dismantle the illusion of self-righteousness and to practice self-examination. Socrates drank the hemlock arguing that Greeks knew nothing of the afterlife, though they thought they knew everything, trapped by their own superstitions — and that the fear of death was irrational.

Later, my worldview changed. I realized that the idea that death is the end has no foundation. My father eventually died in the hospital. I remember sleeping on the couch in the waiting room, and when I woke up, I entered his room just ten seconds before he passed away.
Was I awakened by something? Did he somehow sense me coming? It doesn’t matter.

Over the years, I believed all sorts of things — even Flat Earth — simply because I had torn down every critical barrier. If you have no point of grounding, you’ll believe anything.

I kept watching conspiracy videos, polluting my direct experience of life. I let myself be manipulated online by pseudo-gurus who had “connected the dots.” Yet every one of them had a different “truth,” though they all claimed to be the only ones who really knew.
We need discernment. Boundaries to defend ourselves. These followers have none — they believe whatever “resonates” with them, as if that alone were proof.

Some “free thinkers” I met in person also believed in Flat Earth; others didn’t. I believed it too — mostly because everyone around me did. The idea that the sun and moon were the same size fascinated me. My first doubt came when a friend said his information came from a known grifter — one of those classic conspiracy influencers who beg for donations to “keep doing the work.”

Then came the Final Experiment: Flat Earthers were invited to Antarctica for free to observe 24-hour sunlight — which completely disproved their theory. (Of course, most of them refused to accept it.) The main two, Eric Dubay and Dave Weiss, refused to go — maybe because admitting the Earth isn’t flat would destroy not their beliefs, but their income. I doubt they even believe their own nonsense. It just pays.
Later, they said the whole trip was fake and “CGI.” Dubay had previously claimed governments wouldn’t let him go to Antarctica — yet when he was offered the chance, he refused. Funny, isn’t it?

Over the years, I came across other YouTubers who terrified me, but who turned out to be liars acting in bad faith. One woman, for example, made videos full of false data and conjectures passed off as truth — assuming her audience would never verify anything.
She used a tone of shock and revelation. At one point she claimed that reality could be “hacked” with DMT and LSD, and that Hofmann, after testing DMT, had biked for three days straight — calling sleep “an alien conspiracy to keep us trapped in this reality.”
A simple search shows Hofmann biked only a few hours home from his lab, not three days. But we, the viewers, never check — we just trust.

She also spread the Rh-negative blood theory: that if a Rh+ man had a child with a Rh– woman, she would immediately miscarry, and that Rh– blood was “alien blood” — “closer to an octopus than a monkey.” Maybe she said it to feel special. Or maybe she just wanted attention.

Now, about Prison Planet (PP) — here’s how I discovered it. It began with a guy named “Godelamste” or something similar, who believed the Earth was a crater and that the Disneyland map was a “revelation” proving it.
I later found out that many of his ideas came from Eric Dubay — again. He also borrowed the “tunnel of reincarnation guarded by reptilians” concept. This man even imitated Dubay’s eerie tone of voice — that low, “shocking” delivery that keeps you hypnotized.

That theory didn’t hit me at first, but then a con-man appeared on that girl’s channel. From the beginning, I could tell he was a fraud — the first thing he said was that if we wanted the full information, we had to buy his book, which he had just “updated.”
I didn’t like him, but since I trusted the girl, I listened anyway — proof of my poor critical thinking. His speech was drenched in negativity, as if we were all doomed — yet he dangled a faint hope of “escape.”

Ironically, his Instagram shows him traveling the world, always “researching,” living well — while preaching that life is a prison.
If it’s such a depressing trap, why is he always on vacation?

This man doesn’t realize that his message — like many others — implicitly promotes suicide as an “escape option.”
I read a comment from someone who asked sincerely whether suicide might be a way to “liberate oneself immediately.”
That’s when I saw clearly that all this is disguised nihilism — something deeply sinister, like Dostoevsky’s Demons, where the logical end of nihilism is self-destruction.

Investigating him further, I found out about the commercialization behind it all: on his Telegram channel he constantly pushed his books, promoted others’ paid courses, and announced he’d now only answer paid questions because “too many people were asking.”
That almost made me fall off my chair — laughing or crying, I’m not sure which.

He’s been a guest on countless channels, always repeating the “everyone attacked me at first” narrative — without evidence — to cast himself as a persecuted Christ figure. Just like Icke in the 1990s.
Reading the comments under his videos, I noticed how “awake” followers parrot his lines, while anyone critical gets told to “keep sleeping.”
Digging deeper, I found he insults soccer fans online, calling them “idiots” and “demented.” Hardly the enlightened sage he pretends to be.

When he appeared on that girl’s channel, I left a critical comment — it was immediately shadow-banned. Only I could see it. Everyone else seemed hypnotized, hanging on his every word.

Despite claiming everyone was “against him,” he’s been invited everywhere. One commenter noted that he was simply doing a book promotion tour — and that’s exactly it. Victim mentality plus narcissism.

Victim mentality

The victim mentality is the inability to recognize that you’re here for a reason.
It’s childish, really.
My childhood was hard, but I never directly blamed anyone. Maybe I did once, when I was naive — but not anymore. I’d rather heal my wounds than cling to them. These people, however, are worse than children.

They claim “entities feed on negative energy,” yet their entire doctrine creates negativity and fear.
The PP cult promotes a worldview so dark and nihilistic that it traps the same fragile minds it claims to “free.”
They act like people who never leave their rooms — as if they’ve never seen a mountain, a river, or a forest. They live behind their screens, blinds shut, in polluted suburbs, treating every conspiracy as divine revelation.

I had a difficult childhood, so their victimhood has no power over me. They choose to see the world that way. What do they know of life?
In reality, they could be manipulative, egoistic people using this narrative to feel “special,” distorting films like The Matrix to build their own mythology:
“I’m awake; you’re an NPC. If you contradict me, you’re part of the Matrix.”

Remember when Andrew Tate was arrested in Romania and said, “Agents of the Matrix have arrived”? Ridiculous.

They also claim that “the rich” are in league with the Matrix — as if happiness were proof of evil. Yet many wealthy or famous people struggle with addiction, medication, even suicide. There’s something deeply materialistic in their worldview, though they pretend to be spiritual.

I’m reminded of John Locke from Lost. He believed he was “chosen” by the island, that he alone understood its purpose. Later, we discover all the survivors were chosen in some way — but Locke’s obsession made him easy prey for the Smoke Monster, which manipulated him by exploiting his belief in being “special.”
The PP cultists are the same. They think they’re “awakened,” superior, pneumatic beings, and everyone else is an NPC. It’s the same mechanism as any religious sect.

If they were truly “beyond duality,” they’d recognize that benevolent forces exist too. But they can’t, because they’re projecting their own split mind onto reality. The world isn’t divided into good vs. evil — as Heraclitus said, “Hades and Dionysus are the same god.”

That’s the essence of non-duality — seen in Heraclitus, Taoism, and Ramana Maharshi.

And so, even the PP cultists who quote The Matrix don’t understand it.
The film was a critique of capitalism and alienation, not a documentary about reality. They cherry-pick what fits their narrative.
Even the “rabbit hole” was meant as a metaphor for self-knowledge, not a never-ending descent into paranoia.
The conspiracists have reversed its meaning: they’ve turned it into a pit of shock, fear, and endless videos — a digital prison, the opposite of awakening.

Doesn’t that sound like a cult?
They evangelize everywhere, just like missionaries — spreading the “one true revelation.” (Anyone familiar with the scene knows AstralRocket — a proven liar who preached across multiple subreddits, often getting banned for manipulation.)
They’re like fundamentalists warning that “you’ll go to hell if you don’t believe.” When you doubt, they threaten you: “You’re going back to sleep,” or “You’re an Agent Smith.”
That’s how cults work.

They even use the Cathars as victims of a “truth persecution,” forgetting that the Church treated all heresies the same — and that their doctrines mix Neoplatonism with ideas a historical Jesus could never have known.

Finally, they claim “the elites must tell the truth through films” — as if there’s a karmic law requiring confession. But if we’re supposedly trapped in a demiurgic prison, what kind of karma are they even talking about? It makes no sense.

And that, in short, is my experience with the Prison Planet cult — a system of fear, narcissism, and manipulation that disguises despair as enlightenment.
I’ve learned that the real awakening is not about discovering “hidden truths” but about learning to live without fear, to question without hating, and to find peace in uncertainty. My Experience with the Prison Planet Cult
My experience with this cult was deeply negative. Let’s start from the beginning:

When I was about 11 or 12 years old, for some reason I ended up being “friends” online with a man I didn’t actually know in real life. He used to post countless memes about reptilians, global conspiracies, chemtrails, the Illuminati, and so on. I believed everything except the reptilian part, since that seemed too absurd — but I believed the rest.

I was twelve, and today I could describe it as a kind of mental abuse, but I don’t want to play the victim. It’s my own fault that, for some reason, I fell into that vortex. Later I found out that all those memes came straight from David Icke’s book The Perception Deception.
Over time, I set those theories aside, though the general conspiratorial mindset remained. My young mind had already been conditioned to think in a certain way — the shock of ideas like “the powerful rule the world” or “we can’t fight back unless we tell everyone” had already shaped my worldview.
In mid-2019, I happened to read Orwell’s 1984, and somehow it reawakened some dormant neurons — just a few months before the pandemic began.

At that time, I was an atheist but had become terrified by the idea of death, so I started researching spirituality, metaphysics, and similar topics online. I was falling into a kind of nihilism from which I desperately needed to free myself, since I thought constantly about death and how useless life was because of it. I was trying to decondition myself from my childhood education and to understand that death might not be the end of everything.
My family has a history of mental illness, I always struggled in school, my father had an accident that nearly killed him, and my mother once tried to cut her wrists in front of my eyes. When I was 15, my friends began drinking, smoking, and using drugs. I was left alone, because they only met up to party or use substances — things that didn’t interest me at all. We were no longer really friends.
So, like many others who are drawn to such theories, I understand very well that there’s a certain predisposition to see the world in a dark way — but just because we see one harsh side of reality doesn’t mean our convictions should blind us. There are millions of people who see life as a gift and a beautiful experience. And I too, in recent years, have had wonderful experiences.

I don’t need to play the victim and say, “Look, my childhood was terrible, so this world must be fake and a prison.” Life isn’t only beautiful or ugly — even those who seem happy have gone through pain.
The idea of creating an enemy — them, the happy ones who love life because they’re deluded, and us, the “awakened” ones who have seen through the illusion — is the real trap. It’s narcissistic, but I’ll explain that later.
Across the ocean, in the U.S., I have relatives — one of them, whom I see as a kind of adoptive father, also had problems with his mother and grandmother (who are related to me). What he told me, and what I’ll never forget, was: “They choose not to be happy.”

He’s not wrong. Despite losing his wonderful wife, he hasn’t stopped seeing the world positively — despite the same cult we’re talking about. A person with a victim mindset would say, “See, the world is hell! If it were a good place, this wouldn’t happen! The world is a prison.” And if you disagree, you’re just a “sleeping NPC.”
After breaking down the walls of my atheist education, I renounced all of that and began studying spiritual and esoteric subjects. Right at the beginning of that path, YouTube recommended me videos from a girl talking about vibrations, conspiracies, etc., sometimes quoting Icke word for word. At that time, I was ready to believe anything. Having torn down my critical walls, I let anyone enter my inner city — my body and mind — and take over.
Since I had already been conditioned to Icke’s themes as a child, everything he said seemed plausible to me, and I didn’t care where his sources came from. I just believed. I bought The Perception Deception, over 1,000 pages of horrifying “revelations,” becoming completely engineered by Icke’s universe. Only later did I discover that much of what he said was baseless — distorted, manipulated, stolen, or simply false. His books contained no actual sources, only references like, “If you want to know more, I’ve already written about it in my other book…”
Then I bought The Biggest Secret, which made me realize just how unreliable Icke was, since that older book contradicted his own later “shocking discoveries.” When the pandemic hit, he capitalized on it completely: “See? I told you so.”

Let’s remember that Icke famously predicted in the 1990s that global upheavals, earthquakes, tsunamis, and the end of the world would come in 1997. Two quotes sum him up:

“Even a broken clock is right twice a day.”

“Better a complete lie than a quarter of a truth.”

That’s David Icke. You can buy his books, subscribe to Ickonic, purchase his T-shirts and hats, or attend his worldwide conferences. Let’s not forget that this same man criticized the 2012 Olympic Games, claiming the reptilians were draining energy during the opening ceremony — the same stadium where he himself later gave a speech that same year.
After that, I stopped trusting Icke and turned to Greek philosophy, reading Plato. The Socratic dialogues (Symposium, Apology, Phaedo, Crito) are essential to dismantle the illusion of self-righteousness and to practice self-examination. Socrates drank the hemlock arguing that Greeks knew nothing of the afterlife, though they thought they knew everything, trapped by their own superstitions — and that the fear of death was irrational.
Later, my worldview changed. I realized that the idea that death is the end has no foundation. My father eventually died in the hospital. I remember sleeping on the couch in the waiting room, and when I woke up, I entered his room just ten seconds before he passed away.

Was I awakened by something? Did he somehow sense me coming? It doesn’t matter.
Over the years, I believed all sorts of things — even Flat Earth — simply because I had torn down every critical barrier. If you have no point of grounding, you’ll believe anything.
I kept watching conspiracy videos, polluting my direct experience of life. I let myself be manipulated online by pseudo-gurus who had “connected the dots.” Yet every one of them had a different “truth,” though they all claimed to be the only ones who really knew.

We need discernment. Boundaries to defend ourselves. These followers have none — they believe whatever “resonates” with them, as if that alone were proof.
Some “free thinkers” I met in person also believed in Flat Earth; others didn’t. I believed it too — mostly because everyone around me did. The idea that the sun and moon were the same size fascinated me. My first doubt came when a friend said his information came from a known grifter — one of those classic conspiracy influencers who beg for donations to “keep doing the work.”
Then came the Final Experiment: Flat Earthers were invited to Antarctica for free to observe 24-hour sunlight — which completely disproved their theory. (Of course, most of them refused to accept it.) The main two, Eric Dubay and Dave Weiss, refused to go — maybe because admitting the Earth isn’t flat would destroy not their beliefs, but their income. I doubt they even believe their own nonsense. It just pays.

Later, they said the whole trip was fake and “CGI.” Dubay had previously claimed governments wouldn’t let him go to Antarctica — yet when he was offered the chance, he refused. Funny, isn’t it?
Over the years, I came across other YouTubers who terrified me, but who turned out to be liars acting in bad faith. One woman, for example, made videos full of false data and conjectures passed off as truth — assuming her audience would never verify anything.

She used a tone of shock and revelation. At one point she claimed that reality could be “hacked” with DMT and LSD, and that Hofmann, after testing DMT, had biked for three days straight — calling sleep “an alien conspiracy to keep us trapped in this reality.”

A simple search shows Hofmann biked only a few hours home from his lab, not three days. But we, the viewers, never check — we just trust.
She also spread the Rh-negative blood theory: that if a Rh+ man had a child with a Rh– woman, she would immediately miscarry, and that Rh– blood was “alien blood” — “closer to an octopus than a monkey.” Maybe she said it to feel special. Or maybe she just wanted attention.
Now, about Prison Planet (PP) — here’s how I discovered it. It began with a guy named “Godelamste” or something similar, who believed the Earth was a crater and that the Disneyland map was a “revelation” proving it.

I later found out that many of his ideas came from Eric Dubay — again. He also borrowed the “tunnel of reincarnation guarded by reptilians” concept. This man even imitated Dubay’s eerie tone of voice — that low, “shocking” delivery that keeps you hypnotized.
That theory didn’t hit me at first, but then a con-man appeared on that girl’s channel. From the beginning, I could tell he was a fraud — the first thing he said was that if we wanted the full information, we had to buy his book, which he had just “updated.”

I didn’t like him, but since I trusted the girl, I listened anyway — proof of my poor critical thinking. His speech was drenched in negativity, as if we were all doomed — yet he dangled a faint hope of “escape.”
Ironically, his Instagram shows him traveling the world, always “researching,” living well — while preaching that life is a prison.

If it’s such a depressing trap, why is he always on vacation?
This man doesn’t realize that his message — like many others — implicitly promotes suicide as an “escape option.”

I read a comment from someone who asked sincerely whether suicide might be a way to “liberate oneself immediately.”

That’s when I saw clearly that all this is disguised nihilism — something deeply sinister, like Dostoevsky’s Demons, where the logical end of nihilism is self-destruction.
Investigating him further, I found out about the commercialization behind it all: on his Telegram channel he constantly pushed his books, promoted others’ paid courses, and announced he’d now only answer paid questions because “too many people were asking.”

That almost made me fall off my chair — laughing or crying, I’m not sure which.
He’s been a guest on countless channels, always repeating the “everyone attacked me at first” narrative — without evidence — to cast himself as a persecuted Christ figure. Just like Icke in the 1990s.

Reading the comments under his videos, I noticed how “awake” followers parrot his lines, while anyone critical gets told to “keep sleeping.” If you go on his own videos, the comments are a compilation of echo chambers (you can see it everywhere on the PP cult videos, everyone mostly start the comment saying ''Earth is a prison/We live in a Prison'', ecc...it's all a huge echo chamber, their own egregore.

Digging deeper, I found he insults soccer fans online, calling them “idiots” and “demented.” Hardly the enlightened sage he pretends to be.
When he appeared on that girl’s channel, I left a critical comment — it was immediately shadow-banned. Only I could see it. Everyone else seemed hypnotized, hanging on his every word.
Despite claiming everyone was “against him,” he’s been invited everywhere. One commenter noted that he was simply doing a book promotion tour — and that’s exactly it. Victim mentality plus narcissism.

Victim mentality

The victim mentality is the inability to recognize that you’re here for a reason.

It’s childish, really.

My childhood was hard, but I never directly blamed anyone. Maybe I did once, when I was naive — but not anymore. I’d rather heal my wounds than cling to them. These people, however, are worse than children.
They claim “entities feed on negative energy,” yet their entire doctrine creates negativity and fear.

The PP cult promotes a worldview so dark and nihilistic that it traps the same fragile minds it claims to “free.”

They act like people who never leave their rooms — as if they’ve never seen a mountain, a river, or a forest. They live behind their screens, blinds shut, in polluted suburbs, treating every conspiracy as divine revelation.
I had a difficult childhood, so their victimhood has no power over me. They choose to see the world that way. What do they know of life?

In reality, they could be manipulative, egoistic people using this narrative to feel “special,” distorting films like The Matrix to build their own mythology:

“I’m awake; you’re an NPC. If you contradict me, you’re part of the Matrix.”
Remember when Andrew Tate was arrested in Romania and said, “Agents of the Matrix have arrived”? Ridiculous.
They also claim that “the rich” are in league with the Matrix — as if happiness were proof of evil. Yet many wealthy or famous people struggle with addiction, medication, even suicide. There’s something deeply materialistic in their worldview, though they pretend to be spiritual.

I’m reminded of John Locke from Lost. He believed he was “chosen” by the island, that he alone understood its purpose. Later, we discover all the survivors were chosen in some way — but Locke’s obsession made him easy prey for the Smoke Monster, which manipulated him by exploiting his belief in being “special.” All these people have this chosen one syndrome where they think they have the mission to destroy the matrix and save everyone, without the fact that you can't just ''destroy'' and ''reveal''. they are the System greatest agents.

The PP cultists are the same. They think they’re “awakened,” superior, pneumatic beings, and everyone else is an NPC. It’s the same mechanism as any religious sect.
If they were truly “beyond duality,” they’d recognize that benevolent forces exist too. But they can’t, because they’re projecting their own split mind onto reality, factorizing an enemy that doesn't exist, and infecting people with their schizo paranoic ideas. The world isn’t divided into good vs. evil — as Heraclitus said, “Hades and Dionysus are the same god.”
That’s the essence of non-duality — seen in Heraclitus, Taoism, and Ramana Maharshi.
And so, even the PP cultists who quote The Matrix don’t understand it.

The film Matrix was a critique of capitalism and alienation, not a documentary about reality. They cherry-pick what fits their narrative. Usually the conspiracy groups claims that the authors (autress) claimed Matrix was a documentary. You can't find anything of that on internet, it's just something they made up.

Even the “rabbit hole” was meant as a metaphor for self-knowledge, not a never-ending descent into paranoia.

The conspiracists have reversed its meaning: they’ve turned it into a pit of shock, fear, and endless videos — a digital prison, the opposite of awakening.
Doesn’t that sound like a cult?

They evangelize everywhere, just like missionaries — spreading the “one true revelation.” (Anyone familiar with the varioius subreddits knows AstralRocket — a proven liar who preached across multiple subreddits, often people made fun of him and accusing him of manipulation -as it happen in the Afterlife Subreddit.)

They’re like fundamentalists warning that “you’ll go to hell if you don’t believe.” When you doubt, they threaten you: “You’re going back to sleep,” or “You’re an Agent Smith.” If you post a comment, mostly of them will say ''Ah, there he is! Agent Smith has arrived to protect the Matrix and bring the doubters back into the system".

That’s how cults work.
They even use the Cathars as victims of a “truth persecution,” forgetting that the Church treated all heresies the same — and that their gnostic doctrines mix Neoplatonism with ideas a historical Jesus could never have known. But they claim anyway that they had the ''historic jesus'' that was censored by the Church. Didn't the Church accused, killed the ''heretics'' and the scismatics everywhere? They use victimism claiming they did a crusade against cathars, when they also made one against the Roman Empire (Eastern) during the 4th crusade, and that the Waldensians, the Hussite, and tons of other fractions of christianity ecc..didn't ended well neither.

Finally, they claim “the elites must tell the truth through films” — as if there’s a karmic law requiring confession. But if we’re supposedly trapped in a demiurgic prison, what kind of karma are they even talking about? It makes no sense.

And that, in short, is my experience with the Prison Planet cult — a system of fear, narcissism, and manipulation that disguises despair as enlightenment.

I didn't have enough karma to post there, but one of the main things that bothered me about it was how the archons allowed humans to develop advanced technology that allowed people to spread ideas against them causing more people to attain gnosis. Why not just keep the world in late antiquity to the medieval era where Gnostics were labelled by the church as heretics.

Glad to find this sub. PPT is utter nonsense and they ban hammer anyone that challenges their insane narrative. It’s just science fiction and the “evidence” is cherry picked and slapped together from dozens of different places to fit the narrative. Fear based and just mental. Also zero legitimate means given to escape the supposed trap, just look within and don’t go into the light. Anyway glad to be here and expose this rubbish!

Why we are so many on this planet.A theory.

In the year 1900 there were approximately 1.6 billion people on earth. 125 years it's 8 billion. It is said that more and more people are waking up. but in order to keep the people who start to question their existence on this planet permanently outnumbered, more and more souls are captured and made to incarnate and reincarnate. Where do they come from? A peofessor of Hindu studies (I will provide his name later if needed) said that these many incarnated souls come from the spiritual animal realm. In other words souls who incarnate for the first time as humans with life experience and of traumas as animals. Therefore old souls and those who begin to recognise the prison walls are kept outnumbered and furthermore under the control of a majority of young ex animal souls. What do you think of that theory?

All right. Now that we figured out that we have been scanned and trapped for maybe ages here on earth. We still don't know what the best way is to escape the soul trap / matrix. From don't go into the light, turn around, look up and look for holes, create a portal, have the intention to escape, up to go into the light tunnel and in there, when these beings try to show you a life review to inflict shame and guilt on you, you don't conscent to it and you just get to walk off. Maybe we need another hundred life times to figure that out. But my question is: why is no one helping us? Is there really no one out there who is willing to intervine? To wage war for us against our captors? Are we that small, insignificant and therefore invisible? Aren't we news on some planets with higher evolved technologies and consciousness? Is there nobody that is openly on our side? Ready to defy the archons?

The world is controlled by hidden forces. It’s a farm to harvest our energy. There is no God— this place is prison.

All these conspiracy theories, in the end, lead to the same place: “You can’t trust the world. People are liars. So shut down your feelings.”

That’s the dangerous thread beneath them all.

Information can consume you from the inside. That’s why before considering “Is this true?” Ask yourself.

“Does this resonate with my heart?” “Does this match the temperature of my soul?”

You are a spiritual person, someone whose deepest compass is love. Whenever that compass wavers, you feel lost, as if the whole world collapses. Such feelings you felt when researching about prison theory? The clench in your heart and uncomfortable stomach? They’re not too much. They’re not strange. They’re real and natural, they’re exactly what they should be.

Choose a world worth loving.

When people are overwhelmed by too many truths at once, they turn hope into myth and despair into science.

The “Prison Theory” turns us from creators into victims.

But real spiritual awakening isn’t about uncovering every shadow. It’s about what you choose after you’ve seen them.

If what you choose in the end is love— that’s the force that actually changes the world.

So believe in what you want to believe. The universe will stand by your side.

Then WHY are we still drawn to poisonous information? Why can’t we stop looking? Because we’re hungry. The truth mixed in with the lie is most dangerous.

Our hunger for truth is actually the hunger for meaning. But the world has become fragmented, unstable. So when someone looks like they “know everything,”we get hooked—even if they’re feeding us poison.

Poison is addictive. Truth is calm. But lies? They’re exciting.

As humans we are vulnerable to stimulation, not calmness.

But the origin of this pull… is often something we lost: confusion of a child who wanted to understand the world, betrayal of never being told the full truth, fear of being left behind, thirst for stability through perfect knowledge

We’re not just chasing information We’re trying to prove we exist. That’s why we can’t let go. That’s why it feels so hard to stop ourselves from falling deeper into this rabbit hole.

ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE SPIRITUAL. & THE LIGHT WORKERS.

Look at what we are naturally drawn to:

• Hidden truths, secret realities

• Knowledge unknown to the masses

• Symbols, doubt, interpretation

• Power structures, hypocrisy, manipulation in this world we are changing

What do they all have in common? A strong drive to go beneath the surface. (Which is good if used in correct way)

It’s not just curiosity. It’s a declaration:

“I won’t be fooled.” “I want the real truth.” “I can see what others can’t.”

And beneath that is often an unfortunate childhood conclusion:

“The world can’t be trusted.”

It may have started with simple questions: “Why do people say one thing and do another? “Why doesn’t anyone explain the things I really feel?” “Why is the truth I sense always ignored?”

————— That’s how your sharp instincts formed.

They’re our strength—but also our wound. —————

A powerful blade, if handled well. A self-destructive one, if not.

So here’s the key:

Your standard must come from within, not from the outside. Before trusting any piece of information, ask:

“Does this make my heart clearer, or cloudier?”

Because lies mix confusion with authority. They say, “You just don’t know enough yet.” “Go deeper, and you’ll see.”

But truth is simple. And you don’t recognize it with your brain. You feel it in your chest.

So use this internal compass—your truth filter:

1. Does this information make my emotions murky—or more vivid?

2. Do I feel obsessed and trapped—or peaceful and free?

3. Does this stop me from acting—or inspire me to move?

If the answer points to peace, clarity, and agency— then that’s your truth.

To me it seems dehumanizing but I honestly think psychopaths,rapist,pedos, narcissists and serial murderers may fit that bill. I don't know some people just seem 'souless' to me.

I know this is a big topic and theory on the other sub that's talked about here.

What are your thoughts?

Just my 2cs on these matters.

Near death experiences are a positive experience 90% of the time and the times that theyre negative asking for help instantly gets you out of bad situations.People get healed,receive information they couldnt otherwise know,know the distant or close future,see things they could not normally see and in general have extraordinary experiences.Most of them come back and change their life dramatically.

I dont really understand how anyone could label this as negative or some kind of trick or something.I advise everyone to start reading NDEs from the official website of NDEs and from very few channels that have actual NDEs like this one [ and of course [

Second of all ancient religions with a few exceptions revere life.They talk about its beauty and magnificence and in general are for not against it.This is especially true for pagan religions.The exception is Christianity but thats dependant on the heresy or dogma were referring to.Also almost all ancient traditions and especially eastern ones,mention life as cyclical.From the seasons,to the rise and fall of the celestial bodies,to womens cycles and everything one can imagine.Therefore these traditions considered even what they thought of as the soul to be a thing that partakes in that cycle and they also thought of it as something capable of going beyond.A lot of things they mention regarding this are purely metaphors and cultural descriptions.Some call the body a prison of soul,others a temple,others an avatar,it really doesnt matter as its only a means to describe things.All these people lived normal lives and entire civilzations were built on the back of their religion and none of this was magical secret knowledge.All of these were also beliefs of the goverment/elit and practised by them but also of the average person.Things are of course far more complicated than this but im trying to reduce it to the essentials here are some quotes 

Some quotes from Tao Te can download the Tao Te Ching freely online

“Love the whole world as if it were your self; then you will truly care for all things.” “All things carry Yin yet embrace Yang. They blend their life breaths in order to produce harmony.”

“I have heard that those who celebrate life walk safely among the wild animals. When they go into battle, they remain unharmed. The animals find no place to attack them and the weapons are unable to harm them. Why? Because they can find no place for death in them.”

A lot of things said by Budda [ i even need to quote ancient western religions ? With so many festives and celebrations around the year were life and nature is celebrated ? I will just mention a few of those festives;Greek ones are Thesmophoria,Anthesteria,Haloa,Germanic ones are,Yule,Ostara,Walpurgis Night and finaly some celtic ones,Imbolc,Beltane,Lughnasadh.I think these are overkill and they clearly show how the ancients saw the world.

Gnosticism is also nothing really crazy and they werent suppressed because they knew something that noone else was just another of the multiple heresies and Christianity actively hunted all heresies.The Romans also hunted multiple non Roman religions.All the demons and evil creators and what not are just yet another part of this beliefs/heresys/dogmas worldviews.If you take that literally then please also take literally Zeus turning to a bull,Kali having 30 hands,Thor fighting giants etc etc.But even gnosticism isnt something holy negative.There are also so many sects and sub sects of it that it really is not even a coherent cosmology or philosophy to the extend that its made to be and not even a wholly bad one [

life of average prison planet promoter/content creator is amazing.Seriously has anyone seen their social media accounts ? Julie McVey has children and she and her boyfriend Wayne Bush go on vacation,have BBQs,dance,kiss and in general live an amazing life.Same goes for Tony Sayers.Has anyone seen his stuff ? He travels,he likes swimming he has a good relationship with his parents etc etc.Even that other guy Kavasilas has children travels enjoys life etc etc.And yet the average subscriber of such magical theories lives miserably and in fear.Has anyone also sincerely heard what these people say ? Julie has written a book about her love of Christ and why she left her old church to follow Jesus.All that while uploading a ton of pictures with Wayne and having some kind of website reciting poems.Rich West has a website where if you give him money he literally sais he will remove pre life contracts and more.All that for 100-200 dollars.Kavasilas has some similar stuff in his website.And finally Tony Sayers in one of his videos was even seriously discussing about the nervous system being evil because it makes you feel pain.Also a lot of these people arent exactly against love or life or actual emotions all theyre promoting is some kind of personal interpretation of things which is just that,an interpretation.Also as i said this kind of stuff is new age of the light and love 101 with extra steps.If people think thats the opposite then they really dont know enough and havent been around that long.They are only a few steps beyond David Icke and John Lash and some others but even that is speculative.Just remove Ashtar Command and the lightworkers healing the planet and clearing soul nets and toplet,stranglet bombs from the ether and youre good to go.At the end of the day prison planet starts with the notion that life is bad and that this universe is some kind of malevolent creation which at the end of the day is a philosophy and nothing more.But yet again even that is speculative since not all of them agree on even that

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Altered states are also available to everyone.Theres way too many tools out there and its not something either magical or unreachable or something that contains secret knowledge.In the 21st century you have so extremely many tools to reach them that its a joke really.So yet again why so many stories regarding them and why such drama and confusion around them ? Nowadays you can have such experiences in a structured and organized way and you dont even need to be on some kind of temple for many years.

At the end of the day however i cannot persuade anyone of anything nor do i want are free to believe anyone and anything you want

Edit;Sorry for the repost wanted to fix something and messed the text badly.I may end up doing this again at some point

Edit;Sorry for the second repost

Edit;Just yet another thing i wanted to quickly mention was the story around loosh that Monroe mentions.

I was back in among the sparkling forms, and I closed tightly. The radiation was making me break out in waves exquisitely familiar. After a moment, the radiation lessened and I opened. I had ident immediately on BB, and the vague ident of the woman. BB rolled. (That big old bird must be wondering how his wings got bent.) I rolled with him. (Oh no. There wasn’t one strained tendon or muscle, not one feather out of line when I left. I guarantee it.) BB turned to the woman, a sparkling form I already had ident as her. (He’s your problem. I’ll check with, uh, AA, and see you at the site.) I turned to the woman. (The site?) (That’s where we first greeted you.) I turned inward. There were so many points left unanswered, and I had a percept that my visit was growing short. Get to the key items, those first. I focused, completely open so nothing would be distorted. (The firsttimers, when they come back …) (One-timers,) she corrected. I went on. (If you have that constant input, you must have an output to keep the flow, the movement active.) She waited quietly … politely?… or had she percept of both questions and answers. I went on. (So humans do graduate from here, the dorm. Question: What happens to the graduates?) She flickered. (I … I don’t have a percept of that. They just click out.) (One at a time or as a group?) She smoothed. (Usually several at once. Every so often, one goes alone.) (And they never return?) (No. They don’t.) (Any communication with them? After they leave?) She flickered. (Not in a way that we can understand.) I wanted to follow up on that one, but I was sure it would come out. (Any indications or symptoms they are about to graduate?) She smoothed again. (Oh yes. They no longer need to experience earth, so they begin to go physical less and less. Finally, they stop completely.) (Is that all?) (No, their … uh, radiation begins to change. And they begin to close. After that, they click out.) I had the percept she was beginning to vibrate. (I don’t want to act like an inquisitor, but …) She opened more. (Go on. We expected you to ask just what you are.) I took another direction. (I need as much of a rote as I can get. I may not get another chance.) She smoothed neatly, but there was a little roll in her response. (Oh, I’m sure you will.) (In time-space,) I went on, (are there many other growth patterns in consciousness similar to humans and earth?) She rolled. (You can’t count them if you wanted to, there’s that many. And new ones coming on line constantly.) I flickered. (On line?) She rolled stronger. (AA knew you would like it if I used that phrase.) I went with it. (I would like to meet this AA face to face sometime. He knows more about me than I do myself.) She didn’t respond, just rolled more strongly. I didn’t think it was that funny. (But are humans now in communication with other such, uh, civilizations?) She smoothed out. (Not very much. There is some exchange, but it doesn’t seem necessary or important.) (What about other, nonphysical energy systems?) She lighted. (Oh, those! We visit them as often as we can.) I threw a high hard one. (To gather loosh?) She turned inward, then opened carefully. (No. To sow it, to plant the seeds. That lets the, uh, ray have an ident to focus on.)

The book is Far Journeys pages 246-247

So basically Monroe is told that at some point people of that earth 3000 even go to other planets and/or places to plant the seed of that same energy that was planted on Earth.Yet again i never even see this being mentioned anywhere.And the thing is that i have seen the loosh thing be paraphrased and mentioned in so many places in so many ways yet people arent even citing all the experiences Monroe had and they dont even mention all the things he said as he said them.

What's your explanation to that? I'm not trying to troll or argue, just asking questions. I've read several psychedelic experiences where all of the experiencers came to the same conclusion, that this is some type of prison for our consciousness. To the creator of this sub, how would you adress this?

I've known of the prison planet theory since lockdown and I almost fell down it myself during COVID because it was a scary time and everyone's mental health was affected. But I'm out of that now.

The main thing the "theory" (if you can even call it that) claims that earth is a prison planet. But many NDE's showcase lives on other planets and even other universes, directly contradicting the claim that earth is a prison planet.

where a person after overdosing gets shown other planets and civilations, even alternate timelines which suggest other universes

after an allergic reaction, a guy gets told there are infinite galaxies and dimensions, and humanity wasn't the first intillgient species created, directly contradicting the idea that we were the first created species the prison planet hypothesis leans to

after dying of sepsis, the person even gets to see the other planets and civliations and view them

The iconic even says there are a infinite amount of universes with new ones constantly being created.

These are just some of the NDE's where people are shown other planets, galaxies, dimensions and universes which directly contradict the prison planet claim that earth is the only planet people could incarnate from.

There are many NDE's showcasing other planets, galaxies, dimensions and universes but the prison planet cult conveniently leaves them out because it doesn't fit their fear narrative lol.

Hypnotic regression is a very controversial subject within experiencer communities. Many recommend it as a good way to recover hidden memories of contact events. Others say it’s unreliable and can cause more harm than good.

I’m someone who has undergone hypnotic regression and certainly had curious results with it. Countless details came out which were later validated by other Experiencers and which I had no conscious knowledge of. Where did the information come from?

A deep dive into the scientific research on hypnosis shows that it is considered an unreliable method for recalling information and people who have used regression to recall experiences are excluded from most studies into things like near death experiences or reincarnation.

There isn’t agreement in on whether there is such a thing as due to trauma (however belief in it has grown steadily over the past thirty years despite lack of empirical data).

Even if there is, hypnosis has generally not been shown to improve recall of memories (), repressed or otherwise. More importantly, it puts people into an altered state where . Even false memories that occur under hypnosis can generate very strong emotional reactions and trauma due to this process.

But it’s important here to also acknowledge that there are some metaphysical elements to hypnosis that are crucial to this discussion and which are not generally discussed.

There’s been tremendous research into psi (ESP) which indicates that most people are able to access non-local information, particularly when in a relaxed state. The experiment has had literally millions of trials and replications at academic institutions all over the world. The results fairly consistently show that people can get a 1 in 4 chance correct 33% of the time on average, a very significant statistical result over the expected 25%.

When the CIA was creating their remote viewing program one of the first things they learned was that they needed to the subjects because otherwise there appeared to be between the tasker and the viewer (in other words, the viewer would often see whatever the tasker imagined the target to be).

Respected remote viewer Daz Smith has and found that viewers could consistently see them even though they didn’t exist in reality.

This raises the very real possibility that the reason why people like David Jacobs so consistently got sessions in which his subjects saw is because that’s what he believed was happening. This hypothesis aligns with results of hypnoregression in other areas as well, such as afterlife researchers Delores Cannon and Michael Newton.

This is an important reason why we should be wary of relying on hypnotic regression results. Scientific groups studying metaphysical phenomenon generally exclude any results obtained under hypnotic regression for some of the reasons listed above. The most respected scientific research group studying reincarnation, the University of Virginia’s Division of Perceptual Studies, has an official position against the use of hypnosis:

In fact, however, nearly all such hypnotically evoked “previous personalities” are entirely imaginary just as are the contents of most dreams. They may include some accurate historical details, but these are usually derived from information the subject has acquired normally through reading, radio and television programs, or other sources. The subject may not remember where he obtained the information included, but sometimes this can be brought out in other sessions with hypnosis designed to search for the sources of the information used in making up the “previous personality.” Experiments by E. Zolik and by R. Kampman and R. Hirvenoja have demonstrated this phenomenon.

There are millions of hypnotic regressions out there, and thousands which specialize in life between lives regression. Most of them do not get these results. The question of why should be considered. A more important question is whether all of their work is also being considered if one is willing to accept the results of someone like Eve Lorgen. Otherwise confirmation bias is playing a strong role in the consideration of the evidence available on this topic.

Eve was a practitioner using a to communicate with spirits via Electronic Voice Phenomenon (EVP). She has a (currently free on kindle) about her experiences.

In this session, starting at 2:38 she is told very plainly that if a spirit chooses not to go into the light it will be permanently trapped:

Eve was also my mentor, and I also have done hundreds of successful sessions using the same methodology with excellent results. One of the things that encouraged me to start this subreddit was talking to many spirits who told me that they were stuck (“earthbound”) because they didn’t go into the light, and now don’t know how to get it back. Some malevolent spirits even referred to themselves as “fugitives from the light.” You can look at my channel and various videos on EVP here:

Our accounts are anecdotal, and should be taken with a grain of salt, but the truth is there are very few people doing this level of EVP work in the world today and it’s difficult to get replication. But I have replicated Eve’s method and results, and we both offer tutorials that will allow you to likewise communicate with spirits directly if you choose. Just be warned that this often leads to increased anomalous phenomenon outside of EVP sessions. All of the people who are currently or have previously used this method—myself, Eve, and Grant Reed—ultimately reported starting to hear voices outside of EVP sessions.

I have received veridical information via EVP on countless occasions. It’s absolutely something anomalous, but the nature of it is not apparent. Of course the PPT people can just say everything we’re told is a lie, but many things I’ve been told have been accurate and many truthful predictions have been made.

I don’t post this more because there’s much more robust evidence out there in primary sources. But if you want to hear it “straight from the horse’s mouth,” here you go.

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Starting this, I want to make it clear that Bob Monroe's loosh story is first and foremost a metaphor, not literal. It's a story meant to convey a message that isn't bound by human terms. People make the mistake of taking the story literal, when all it is, is one mans vision (rote) of something he interpreted through his own human filter.

But that doesn't mean the metaphor cant have meaning and a message.

There's also two chapters to the Loosh story, chapter 12 Hersey Evidence, and chapter 13 Shock Treatment. I put it direct quotes and sections from the book itself.

Another thing people tend to do is use the first part of chapter 12 to define the entire story. That's the only way they can use it in their prison planet narratives. There's a reason for that, and be it dishonesty or ignorance, it's twisting the meaning to fit their agenda. It's a progressive story. People can take chips and pieces of the story to fit any narrative. But it's meant to be understand from two full chapters.

Bob's writings can be confusing, even if you know the definitions of the words he created to term something non-Physical. The full E-book is at the end of this if you want to read the full source. I left portions of each page out so that I'm not posting half the book here.

But I put in the fundamental aspects of the story, some details are left out, but I don't believe they contradict anything I put in. But feel free to read the full thing and let me know if there's any questions, ideas or disagreements.

Chapter 12 - Hearsay Evidence

Faced with this question of Supply and Demand (a universal law of Somewhere), Someone decided to produce it (loosh) artificially, so to speak, rather than search for it in its “natural” form. He decided to build a Garden and grow Loosh.

In the natural state, Loosh was found to originate from a series of vibrational actions in the carbon-oxygen cycle and the residue was Loosh in varying degrees of purity. It occurred only during such action, and secondarily during the reactive process. Prospectors from Somewhere ranged far and wide in search of Loosh sources and new discoveries were hailed with much enthusiasm and reward.

So it was that Someone and his Garden changed all this. Far off, in a remote area, he set to work on his experiment. First, he created a proper environment for the carbon-oxygen cycle, where it would flourish. He created a Balance with much care, so that proper radiation and other nourishment would be in continuous supply.

Notice the words "he" here. It's referring to a creator. This is sort of a newer age garden of eden origins story. "He" is creating a source of loosh for a reason that seems pretty important to its purpose.

He then tried his First Crop, which actually did produce Loosh, but only in small quantities and of comparatively low grade, not significant enough to take back to the heart of Somewhere. The problem was twofold. The life period was too short and the crop units themselves were too minute.

So here the story is basically describing very early evolutionary life forms - unicellular (as mentioned in the next part)

Moreover, the Loosh could be harvested only at the moment of termination of the life span, not one moment before.

So here's a part alot of prison planet folks will quote, but completely missing the context. This single-celled organisms. This is just very young wild earth. Very early evolutionary cycle.

His Second Crop was no better, if as good. He changed the environment to another part of the Garden, where the density was gaseous rather than liquid and the higher-density chemicals formed a solid base and thus were still available. He planted numberless units in many varieties in a new form, with a great increase in size, some many thousands of times larger and more complex than the simple unicellular First Crop.

We're at trees and plants here.

To this end, each was given firm tendrils which burrowed deep in the more dense chemical matter. Attached to this was a stem or trunk which helped elevate the upper portion upward for its share of needed radiation. The upper portion, broad, thin, and somewhat fragile, was designed as a transducer of carbon-oxygen compounds to and from the crop unit.

Second Crop was most unsatisfactory. While it was true that a much greater quantity was attained, the unrefined. Loosh produced was of such low grade that it was scarcely worth the effort.

Basically saying that trees and plants can produce loosh on their termination, but it was just low-grade loosh. Barely worth the effort.

He adapted them first to take nourishment from the Second Crop, which he permitted to abound for this very purpose. Thus it was that the first of the Mobiles, the Third Crop, came into being. The Mobiles took nourishment from the Second Crop, thus ending its life span and producing low-grade Loosh. When each huge Mobile terminated its own life span, additional Loosh was produced. The quantity was massive, but the frequency pattern of the Loosh residue still left much to be desired.

Now were on the Third Crops - mobile creatures. The mobiles ate the second crop, producing loosh, then when the mobiles died, they also produces loosh. The circle of life is evolving. But still, the loosh was very low grade and poor quality, even at such high levels of production. So "he" is still not satisfied. All the loosh he could ask for, but barely worth the energy invested, so to say.

It was by accident that Someone (he) came upon the Prime Catalyst as regards Loosh production. The monstrous and slow-moving Mobiles had a life span far out of proportion to their nourishment input. The growth and life-termination process was of such length that soon the Mobiles would all but decimate the Second Crop. The entire Garden would be out of balance, and there would be no Loosh production whatsoever. Both the Second and Third Crop faced extinction.

He is still trying to find a balance here. Seems like the dinosaurs(?) are really messing things up.

As the Second Crop grew scarce, energy needs of the Mobiles became acute. Often two Mobiles would seek to ingest the identical Second Crop unit. This created Conflict, which resulted in physical struggle among two or more of the ungainly Mobiles.Someone observed these struggles, at first bemused with the problem, then with great interest. As the struggles ensued, the Mobiles were emanating Loosh! Not in fractional amounts, but in sizable, usable quantities and of a much higher purity.

Now we see conflict producing loosh at higher quality.

In one single motion, Someone terminated the life spans of all the lumbering Third Crop Mobiles. Going back to the First Crop in the liquid area, he modified and expanded them into a multitude of shapes and sizes, gave them complex multicellular structures of high mobility. He designed into them a pattern of balance. There were those that ingested a Second Crop type of carbon-cycle unit (basically immobile) as an energy source. There were others, very highly mobile, who required for energy the ingestion of other mobile Modified First Crop units. The completed circuit operated quite satisfactorily.

Circle of life is still being fine-tuned.

As a side experiment, Someone designed and created one form of Mobile that was weak and ineffective by the standards of the other Mobiles in the Fourth Crop. Yet this experimental Mobile had two distinct advantages. It had the ability to ingest and take energy from both the Stationaries and other Mobiles. Second, Someone pulled forth a Piece of Himself—no other source of such Substance being known or available—to act as an intensive, ultimate trigger to mobility.

Following the Rule of Attraction, Someone knew that such infusion would create in this particular Mobile species an unceasing mobility. Always, it would seek to satisfy the attraction this tiny mote of Himself engendered as it sought reunion with the infinite Whole.

Going back to the garden of eden metaphor, I always found this interesting. Someone (He) took a piece of himself to create a new experiment - humans.

Thus the drive for satisfaction of energy requirements through ingestion would not be the only motivating force. More important, the needs and compulsions created by the Piece of Someone could not be satiated throughout the Garden. Thus the need for mobility would be ever-present and the conflict between this need and that of energy replacement would be constant—possibly a continuous high-order Loosh emanator if it survived.

I think this is describing a larger drive that humans would posses to expand, explore, investigate, but would also need energy replacement. I take this is humans not being stagnant. They have a piece of themselves from the creator himself. Unlike the other crops, this creation wouldnt need to eat or die to produce loosh. It's existence cycle itself is a loosh emitter.

The Fourth Crop exceeded all of Someone’s expectations. It became apparent that a consistent, useful flow of Loosh was being produced in the Garden. The balance of “life” operated perfectly, with the Conflict Factor producing immense amounts of Loosh and a steady supplement brought into being by the constant life-span terminations from all types of Mobiles and Stationaries.

To handle the output, Someone set up Special Collectors to aid in the harvest. He set up Channels to convey the raw Loosh from his Garden to Somewhere. No longer did Somewhere depend principally upon the “wild state” as the principal source of Loosh. The Garden of Someone had ended that.

Now we see life on earth is finally tuned. I imagine the in-between was millions and millions of years of trial and error. Also note that mobiles and stationaries produce loosh on termination. Again, not humans, it's talking the earlier life-forms.

Someone, his work completed, returned to Somewhere and occupied himself with other matters. Loosh production stayed at a constant level under the supervision of the Collectors. The only alterations were ordered by Someone himself.

The Garden pattern of “Life” might have gone on thus throughout eternity had it not been for the perception and inquisitiveness of Someone

This part talks about the creator sort of leaving, and letting collectors do the work. But he still showed interest in his creation.

On a particular analysis of a Loosh sample, Someone had casually examined the emanations and was about to return it to the Reservoir —when he became aware of a Difference. It was very slight, but there it was.

His interest centered immediately, he looked again. Woven delicately in with the more common Loosh emanations was a slender fragment of purified and distilled Loosh. This was an impossibility. Purified and distilled Loosh resulted only after the “wild state” Loosh had been processed many times. The Loosh from the Garden of Someone required the same treatment before it could be used.

Yet here it was—so finely graded in its refined radiations that it could or would not return into compound with the raw substance. Someone reaffirmed his tests, and the result still was positive. There was a factor in his Garden of which he was unaware.

There's something creating this pure and distilled form of loosh.

He found his first momentary touch of distilled Loosh emanation in one of the units of the Fourth Crop (which by then had filtered throughout the plantings of the Second Crop). The flash came during the unusual action of this unit as it entered into a life-terminating struggle with another Fourth Crop unit. This alone would not create distilled Loosh, Someone knew, and he probed deeper for the source.

Game changer

It was at that moment he discovered the Difference. The Fourth Crop unit was not struggling in Conflict over an ingestible remnant of a weaker Fourth Crop unit or a tasty frond from a nearby Second Crop stem—or to avoid termination of life and ingestion by the other conflicting Fourth Crop unit.

It was in Conflict to protect and save from life termination three of its own newly generated species huddled under a large Second Crop unit waiting for the outcome. There was no doubt about it. This was the action that produced the flashes of distilled Loosh.

I believe this is describing an early humanoids, maybe human. The distilled loosh wasn't produced as part of the natural cycle, it was produced when the human was protecting its young from an attack. The various crops ate each other, "attacks" happened all the time, but they didn't produce this pure distilled loosh. There was a factor here that was different.

With this clue, Someone examined the actions of other Fourth Crop units in the Garden. He found similar flashes when other Fourth Crop units took the same action in defense of their “young.” Still, there was an inconsistency. The sum of all such flashes of distilled Loosh emanation from all such actions by the current Fourth Crop units would not amount to half of the total he had found in the sample from the Reservoir. It was obvious that another factor was present.

Systematically, he hovered over the Garden, extending his perception to all areas. Almost immediately, he found the source. High-order distilled Loosh radiation was originating from one particular section of the Garden. Quickly, he hurried to the spot.

There it was—an experimental Modified Fourth Crop unit, one of those that contained a Piece of Himself in its functional pattern. It was standing alone under the leafy upper portion of a large Second Crop unit. It was not “hungry.” It was not in Conflict with another Fourth Crop unit. It was not acting in defense of its “young.” Then why did it emanate distilled Loosh in such great quantity?

Someone moved closer. His perception entered into the Modified Fourth Crop unit and then he knew. The unit was lonely! It was this effect that produced distilled Loosh.

So the first human produced the pure loosh in defense of his young. The next produced it because it was lonely. Now we see sort of emotional output combined with regular loosh that produced this pure form.

As Someone drew back, he noted another unusual inconsistency. The Modified Fourth Crop unit suddenly had become aware of His Presence. It had collapsed and was jerking in strange convulsions on the solid-base formation. Clear liquid was being expelled from the two radiation-perceiving orifices. With this, the distilled Loosh emitted became even more pronounced.

The human becomes aware of the creator, and he began to cry. This also produced the pure form of loosh.

Someone included the fundamental in his formula: “... The creation of pure, distilled Loosh is brought forth in Type 4M units by the action of unfulfillment, but only if such pattern is enacted at a vibratory level above the sensory bounds of the environment. The greater the intensity of said pattern, the greater the output of Loosh distillate....”

To put the formula into effect, Someone designed subtle changes in his Garden, all of them familiar to every historian. The splitting of all Crop units into Halves (to engender loneliness as they sought to reunite)

This is describing an emotional evolutionary jump for humans - the want to unite with another human. Not just as an animalistic instinct, but as an inherent drive that produced the pure loosh.

As it appears now, the Garden is a fascinating spectacle of efficiency. The Collectors have long since become Masters at the Art of the DLP Formula. Type 4M units dominate and have spread through the entire Garden, with the exception of the deeper portions of the liquid medium. These are the principal producers of Loosh distillate.

Humans are now the dominant species on earth. They have spread everywhere minus the bottom of the oceans. Humans are also the principal producers of the pure loosh.

From experience, the Collectors have evolved an entire technology with complementary tools for the harvesting of Loosh from the Type 4M units. The most common have been named love, friendship, family, greed, hate, pain, guilt, disease, pride, ambition, ownership, possession, sacrifice.

Now we see the human emotional relation to situations that they face on earth. All these examples are of humans emotions in relation to something else that produces the loosh. To love or to hate, that option is here. The pure loosh is produced in relation to the full range of emotional experiences of the human condition. Going back to the beginnings of the findings of the pure loosh, it was a human protecting its young - self-sacrifice, love. The human feeling lonely - the want to be with someone.

Now, it is well known that Bob did have issues with his interpretation of this story.

At that time, Tom Campbell was working with Bob at The Monroe Institute. When Bob had that loosh rote, he went to Tom with his concerns. Tom tells the story here, and puts in into context

(7:09)

Chapter 13. "Shock Treatment". Part two of the Loosh rote.

Like Bob did at that time, many will read chapter 12 and take away the same things that Bob did at first. Again, we have a metaphorical story interpreted through a certain filter of beliefs

But Bob did investigate the original Loosh rote more months later in an OBE, and writes about in chapter 13.

It took me several months to adjust to the loosh rote. “Adjust” is a very broad word to describe a complete cycle of shock, rejection, anger, depression, resignation, acceptance. My sequence paralleled remarkably the pattern others have discovered and studies as to human response when notified of approaching death from illness or injury.

Something was dying in me. I had long realized that the God of my childhood did not exist, at least not in the form and substance envisioned by my enculturation. However, I had deeply accepted the concept of creator and created—I had but to look around me at the elaborate and intricate order of design, of the symbiosis that made the whole process operate, the trees that grew plumb-line straight up if given the chance, that provided me and other oxygen breathers with what we needed while we fed to them unknowingly for a long period our waste products, which they needed to exist ... the balance of the entire planet, whose outer filtering bands of energy permitted just the proper quantity and quality of sunlight so critical to biologic growth ... and of course the food chain.

The loosh rote explained everything very neatly. Most important, it explained the purpose, the reason for it all, the why of it. This factor had long eluded me. The loosh answer was simple and obvious. The reason was there, in very prosaic fashion. We were indeed producing Something of Value. Loosh. If one finally was able to get past the emotional barriers involved, it became hard even then to find holes in the general concept. An explanation of total human behavior and history.

Bob then accesses his guides and they take him to the "bigger picture". Asheen is his guide here, or INSPEC (Intelligent Species)

Ashaneen. It was both familiar and strange. Again, that feeling of trying to recover from severe amnesia, and the gentle patience of those trying to help me remember. But the loosh ...

(We are aware of the disturbance you have undergone. It was necessary that you experience this. It goes with the territory, as you put it.)

Then the loosh rote was real! I began to flicker ...

(It is the translation that is not real*. The difficulty of placing earth and human values properly into perspectives and energies that are not of time and space is a factor very familiar to you.*)

So Tom Campbell was right. Bobs interpretation was off.

Loosh, an energy generated by all organic life in varying degrees of purity, the clearest and most potent coming from humans—engendered by human activity which triggers emotion, the highest of such emotions being— love? Is love loosh

(Continue, Ashaneen. )

But according to the rote, loosh is thrown off when life ends its physical existence, when pain occurs, anger, hate ... these can’t be the same as love

(How would you define love in your terms?)

I knew that would be next in the order of things, and I couldn’t come up with an answer. Throughout history, great minds and greater philosophers had given it a try, with only partial success, and I was none of these. I wouldn’t even consider trying.

(But you know it exists. Love is not an illusion.)

.....

(You understand waveforms. All come from the same baseline, the colors and the white. The difference is frequency and amplitude.)

I knew what THEY were doing, and I appreciated it. My focus was being diverted from what I thought was unpleasant back into an abstract yet trunk-and-roots position. Using the same stuff— interactive experience—one began to learn to express anger, pain, fear, and all the rest, and finally—hopefully, if you passed the course —a special energy waveform labeled love. Yet we don’t really know what it is and, with my suspicion growing, how to really use it.

(A carefully designed school of compressed learning.)

To learn to be high-quality loosh/love producers.

Bob then goes on to try and grasp the concept from a bigger picture through other metaphors. The guide keeps helping him.

Then Someone ...

(Is a creator who was created. You are a creator who was created. Each of you does carry a small rote, as you call it, of Someone, who created you. Through that rote of Someone, your creator, you carry a percept of the creator who created Someone. )

I turned inward. Even with this viewpoint, it was hard to set aside serial logic. The easy percept was how the multitude of distortions, misconceptions, misdirections came about. A little knowledge can be dangerous, and human creative imagination took over from there. If there had not been a Someone ...

(Humans would not exist.)

I went over the idea of loosh/love. It must be quite a place to handle that much loosh, this Somewhere. It would fall neatly into many concepts of heaven. I grew wistful. Maybe we could go just to the edge of Somewhere, so I could get a feel of the place/state where there was so much love, surely near it, but not in it, just to observe from a distance. It would answer so much ...

(That is not too much to ask, Mister Monroe. We can arrange it. Close tightly.)

Bob is not trying to grasp the concept of *somehwere*. He is getting a sense that loosh is collected *somewhere*. A place? A thing? These concepts are so outside of our human minds. Again, which is why we think and speak of them in metaphors.

Bob is then shown *where* this loosh is.

Even closed tightly, the radiation was so strong that it was nearly unbearable ... I felt as if sweat were pouring off me, I was melting ... but it wasn’t heat ... and I began to heave with great racking sobs and I couldn’t understand why ... then the radiation eased, and I opened a little. There was a form between me and the radiation, shielding me, and I could perceive a corona effect all around the form from the radiation beyond. It reminded me deeply of religious paintings I had seen, only this was live and in something far different from pigmented color ...

(This is as close as you can tolerate. We are diverting most of the effective energy patterns, which are in themselves only the random residue, the leakage as you might call it, from the fundamental. Focus through us rather than the outer rim. It will help.)

With great difficulty, I narrowed and held on the center of the form ... and I began to cool and calm down ... slowly my rational and observing self began to emerge again, dominating the overwhelming emotional surge that had enveloped me ... it was as if I perceived through a darkly tinted window and I had to work continually to keep the emotion below the threshold level, the wondrous and brilliant joy, awe, reverence, melded into one yet with flashes of each sparking momentarily ... all coursing through me as I responded to the radiation, unable to prevent it and barely keeping it under control. This would most emphatically be the ultimate heaven, the final home ..

I hesitated, then with the warm assurance from the shielding INSPEC form, I stretched a part of me out, cautiously, and touched the smallest ray nearest me ... in an instant, the shock spread throughout all what I thought I was, and I knew, and in knowing, knew that I would forget if I tried to remember, because what I was could not yet handle the reality of it ... yet I never again would be the same even without remembering, except that it occurred and the indescribable joy of knowing only that it did take place and the echoes would reverberate in me throughout eternity, whatever my eternity was ... gently, I felt myself being detached from the ray, and I collapsed behind the shielding form of my INSPEC friend.... Friend? INSPEC? I realized then how provincial my percepts were. I also realized how limited they were ... the radiating globes, the rays emitted ...

(You responded very well for the initial exposure. Your human loosh/love energy is transmuted into the center of what you perceive. From there it is redirected into what you call the rays, to the points where it is needed most. When you have progressed, we can guide you to one of the destinations so you can observe the results.)

My percept was not strong enough to bring any flicker whatsoever as to what exposure to the full force of such rays might be. But my human curiosity wouldn’t let the basic question go unanswered, now that I had smoothed somewhat.

(It was created. It was always there, we have no percept of a beginning. Are you ready to return now?)

...

It was then, lying there in the darkness, listening to the whippoorwill and the night crickets outside, the soft earth-scented breeze flowing in through the open window, feeling the hot warmth of our little dog Steamboat sleeping contentedly against the soles of my feet, the even breathing of Nancy (Bobs wife) sleeping beside me—that I felt the wetness of my cheeks and a few remaining tears in my eyes.

And I remembered. Not much, but I remembered! I sat up in bed, wanting to jump up and shout in incomprehensible joy. Steamboat (bobs dog) raised his head and looked at me curiously, then dropped back. My wife shifted position as I sat up, then gradually resumed her even breathing rhythm. I would not wake her, she needed her rest and recharge.

I lay back and remembered. Sometime before dawn, I, too, fell asleep.

After this, Bob always termed loosh as synonymous with love - Loosh/Love

It will begin to generate automatically as the result of the human learning experience, more than enough to achieve a tangent to your previous orbit when you graduate. It is the understanding that the actions suggested here may help in such production. Then no longer will you reflect and transform the Prime Energy as in the past, but create it in and of your own and radiate it in all ways, in all forms— call it loosh/love or whatever label fits—without need for subject or object.

What you call emotion is essential to the basic learning process. It is a specific observable result of exposure to the loosh/love radiation. Therefore, it is the driving force, the creative energy which motivates human thought and action. Without it you would remain as animals.)

We could probably discuss for hundreds of pages the meanings, implications, interpirations of what loosh is. People have been doing that for decades.

I just wanted to clear up the misconceptions, disinformation and misinformation around the origins of loosh from the source itself - with a little of my own personal interpretations sprinkled in based on my own experiences.

I'm not trying to claim I've found the objective meaning of loosh, because that would contradict the premise that loosh is ultimately something not bound by human terms.

Loosh is more than an "energy", something that is bound by our physical universe. It's outside of that, it's non-physical. It's something essential to the entire system itself - from the creator to the pieces of the creator which are us. It's all one system working together synergistically to evolve as one whole.

So many of these various fear-based ideologies love to point to Gnosticism as the “truth” when it comes to the nature of reality, but much of what the Gnostics believed conflict with the other things they promote.

• Gnosis (Knowledge): The path to liberation comes through gnosis, a special kind of spiritual knowledge or insight. It's not just intellectual understanding but a transformative experience revealing the truth about the divine and the material world.

• Dualism: The world is divided into the spiritual realm (good) and the material realm (flawed or evil). The material world, created by a lesser god (Demiurge) in some Gnostic sects, traps the divine spark within us.

• Salvation: The goal is to escape the material world and reunite the divine spark with its true home in the spiritual realm. This liberation comes through gnosis.

So far so good. But let’s expand on what the Gnostics believed was necessary to escape it:

• Materialism vs. Gnosis: Modern society heavily emphasizes consumerism and material possessions. Gnostics would see this focus as a distraction from the pursuit of gnosis and liberation. They would be living more of an ascetic lifestyle, similar to devote Buddhists, where they have no earthly belongings other than those needed for survival.

• Reason vs. Revelation: Our world relies heavily on reason and science. Gnostics viewed gnosis as a deeper, transformative experience beyond logic. While some scientific exploration might resonate with the Gnostic search for truth, blind faith in reason wouldn't suffice. These people were devoutly spiritual, and when faith conflicted with reason they chose faith.

• Information Overload vs. Gnosis: The vast amount of information available today wouldn't necessarily equate to gnostic knowledge. Gnostics would likely see the internet as a distraction from true spiritual understanding. Imagine prioritizing quality spiritual teachings over endless scrolling – another Gnostic principle.

• Individualism vs. Gnostic Traditions: Modern society emphasizes individual freedom and choice. Gnostics often had specific practices and rituals to achieve gnosis. Finding a balance between individual exploration and potentially helpful traditions could be a challenge. This directly conflicts with the cosmology espoused by Prison Planet, which claims that individuality and free will are the most important thing.

It’s also important to remember that Gnosticism wasn't a uniform belief system. The Valentinian Gnostics, the Marcionites, and other Gnostic sects each had distinctive beliefs and theological frameworks.

Valentinian Gnostics

Founder and Origins:

• Founded by Valentinus, an influential Gnostic teacher in the 2nd century CE.

Key Beliefs:

• Cosmology: Valentinian cosmology is complex, involving an elaborate hierarchy of divine beings called Aeons. The highest God, the Bythos (Depth), emanates other divine entities culminating in the lowest Aeon, Sophia.

• Sophia and the Demiurge: Sophia's fall results in the creation of the material world and the Demiurge, a lesser god who is ignorant of the higher spiritual realities. The Demiurge is often equated with the God of the Old Testament.

• Salvation: Salvation is achieved through gnosis (knowledge). Valentinian Gnosticism posits that humans are divided into three types: the spiritual (pneumatic), the psychic, and the material (hylic). The spiritual individuals have a divine spark that can be awakened through gnosis.

• Christology: Christ is seen as a divine being who descends to impart gnosis and liberate the divine spark within humans. The Valentinian Christology emphasizes the distinction between the human Jesus and the divine Christ who inhabited him.

Practices:

• Valentinian Gnosticism incorporated sacraments similar to those of mainstream Christianity, including baptism and a form of the Eucharist, but these rituals had a deeper esoteric significance.

Marcionites

Founder and Origins:

• Founded by Marcion of Sinope, a theologian active in the mid-2nd century CE.

Key Beliefs:

• Dualism: Marcion posited a radical dualism between the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament. The former, called the Demiurge, is a lesser, wrathful deity, while the latter is the supreme God of love revealed by Jesus Christ.

• Scriptures: Marcion rejected the Old Testament entirely and created his own canon, consisting of an edited version of the Gospel of Luke and ten Pauline epistles, purged of what he considered Jewish interpolations.

• Christology: Marcion's Christology was docetic, meaning he believed that Christ only seemed to have a physical body but was actually a purely spiritual being. This was consistent with his belief that the material world was created by the inferior Demiurge.

• Salvation: Marcion taught that salvation is through faith in the God of love revealed by Jesus Christ, rejecting any association with the Creator God of the Old Testament.

Practices:

• Marcionite communities practiced a form of baptism and adhered to a strict moral code, emphasizing asceticism and rejection of material pleasures.

Other Gnostic Sects

Sethian Gnostics:

• Origins: Named after Seth, the third son of Adam and Eve, regarded as a spiritual ancestor.

• Key Beliefs: They shared a complex cosmology involving a supreme, unknowable God and a series of emanations. Sethians emphasized the role of Seth as a revealer of gnosis.

• Practices: Their rituals often involved baptism and sacred meals, aiming to re-enact the spiritual journey and ascension of the soul.

Basilidean Gnostics:

• Founder: Basilides of Alexandria, active in the early 2nd century.

• Key Beliefs: Basilides taught a unique cosmology involving 365 heavens and an emphasis on the divine emanations from the highest God, Abraxas. He introduced the concept of the "Great Archon" ruling the material world.

• Salvation: Liberation from the material world through gnosis, with a strong emphasis on predestination.

• Practices: Likely included secret rituals and initiations, though detailed information is scarce.

Manichaeans:

• Founder: Mani, a 3rd-century Persian prophet.

• Key Beliefs: Mani's teachings synthesized elements of Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and Buddhism. He proposed a dualistic cosmology of light and darkness, with a focus on the struggle between these two forces.

• Salvation: Liberation of the light trapped in the material world, achieved through rigorous ascetic practices and gnosis.

• Practices: Included fasting, celibacy, and dietary restrictions, along with a structured hierarchy and community life.

Summary of Differences:

• Valentinians: Emphasized a complex cosmology of divine emanations and a sophisticated Christology. Salvation was through gnosis and spiritual enlightenment.

• Marcionites: Rejected the Old Testament and the material world entirely, distinguishing between the wrathful Demiurge and the loving God revealed by Christ. Salvation was through faith in the supreme God.

• Other Gnostic Sects: Varied widely in their cosmologies, but commonly shared themes of divine emanations, dualism, and the importance of gnosis for salvation. Practices often included secret rituals, asceticism, and community hierarchies.

The modern day version of Gnosticism found online has little to do with the original practices. Fear-based cosmologies like Prison Planet have emerged from our need to explain the world, especially the component of suffering.

Oh, and as a final note: there is no evidence the Gnostics had any belief in reptilians.

Many major flaws in the theory are called out here, such as the fact that these all-powerful beings haven’t don’t anything to prevent people exposing the truth about their evil machinations.

Allow me to cite a post (now deleted, but still accessible):

The source that is referenced is a website where anyone can pay to publish a story. Whether the author of the post is the one who wrote the article is unknown, but what’s certain is that many of the claims on the post and the page are total fabrications.

Fact: Robert Monroe did help create the Gateway Process, which is “a training system designed to bring enhanced strength, focus and coherence to the amplitude and frequency of brainwave output between the left and right hemispheres so as to alter consciousness, moving it outside the physical sphere so as to ultimately escape even the restrictions of time and space. participant then gains access to the various levels of intuitive knowledge which the universe offers.” Source:

Fact: Robert Monroe did coin the term Loosh, which he said was an “analogy” given to him during a Gateway session as a way to explain our purpose here on Earth, which was to learn how to produce “love/loosh.” Note that Loosh is not negative emotions, as is commonly claimed. Monroe clarified this in the book Far Journeys (see the in this subreddit for more information). He said that negative emotions are a weak form of Loosh, and that in its pure form it is love.

Fact: Monroe never mentions reptilians or “alligators” in any of his books or interviews. Source: All of his books and interviews, in which these things do not appear.

Fact: Monroe had no fear of the afterlife, and was genuinely excited and optimistic about the unseen realms. This is made very clear in his Journey books.

“These to me are Knowns: This, our Creator:

• is beyond our comprehension as long as we remain human

• is the designer of the ongoing process of which we are a part

• has a purpose for such action beyond our ability to understand

• makes adjustments, fine tuning, in this process as needed

• establishes simple laws that apply to everyone and everything

• does not demand worship, adoration, or recognition

• does not punish for "evil" and "misdeeds"

• does not intercede or interdict in our life activity” Source: Ultimate Journey, pg 224

“The program has certain goals. These are:

• to release all fears related to the physical death process;

• to establish a familiarity with different states of consciousness until these states become Knowns instead of beliefs;

• to generate ongoing communication and relationships with other Human Minds active in other states of consciousness;

• to incorporate such acquired knowledge both consciously and at the nonconscious level into physical life thought, functions, and activity

• to insure upon the cessation of physical life existence, for whatever reason, that such knowledgeable human mind-consciousness will shift without interruption to other forms of existence.” Source: Ultimate Journey, pg 247

It’s one thing to be uneducated or confused about the concepts a person is promoting, but it’s quite another to fabricate them entirely.

This post is a partial deconstruction of the “I studies NDEs for 10 years” post that is frequently copied and pasted by people pushing the Prison Planet belief system. I will cite academic and primary sources to show how faulty the arguments are. I gave up halfway through because it should be painfully obvious at that point how biased and inaccurate the author’s conclusions are.

Reincarnation and the white tunnel of light

You know how anyone who's had a near death experience talks about having seen a tunnel of light appear in front of them? Or having met members of their family who had passed away? In some rare cases, even having met and spoken to who they thought was God? Evidence suggests that the tunnel of light which appears when we die is a trap designed to wipe the whole memory of our last incarnation and to recycle our souls into another body thus keeping us in an infinite loop here on Earth.

Note that the author is saying the evidence supports it, but so far has not provided any evidence.

Because of this, the overwhelming majority of people walking the Earth have total amnesia and don't remember anything about their past lives nor anything from the periods in-between their lives.

This is true, but there are many explanations given to people about why this is the case. The most common one is that earth is a school for the spirit, and we are sent here to learn from our choices. If we knew the outcomes in advance (which they often claim to on the other side), then we wouldn’t have proper free will. But the author dismisses all of this as lies. His reasoning that it’s a lie is that it disagrees with his conclusion.

If you do some research though, you will notice that there is however a small number of people world-wide who are able to recall very specific details regarding who they were, what they did for a living, where they lived in a past life

True, although it’s a very small number. The author is including memories recovered under hypnosis, but academic reincarnation researchers view hypnosis as a faulty tool and don’t generally include those accounts in their research because they’ve so often proven to be faulty:

How do we know these people aren't making up their stories? We know this isn't the case because lots of people have been able to bring very solid pieces of evidence to sustain their claims that can be verified…which shows that reincarnation is a very real phenomenon, confirming what many religions claim to happen to the soul when a person dies. The reason these people's memories have only been partially erased and not fully erased remains unknown for now.

True. There’s quite strong evidence for both afterlife experience and reincarnation.

The reason people that went through NDE's didn't come back with their memories wiped is because unlike people who have died, they didn't end up going all the way through the tunnel of light to reach it's destination, many NDErs didn't enter the tunnel at all, while some have partially experienced it. All of them managed to return to their bodies and lived to tell what they experienced on the other side, hence the term 'near death experience'.

It’s estimated that 10% of people who come back from death will report an NDE:

It’s possible that 100% of people have them, but the memories are wiped on the rest. We have no way to know, but it seems reasonable to believe that if anyone can have an experience after death it should be something other people will have, too.

However only around 33% of people ever report seeing a tunnel of light in their NDE. It seems to be cultural—in Thai NDE studies, no one witnessed seeing a tunnel:

Even without the tunnel of light, many other common experiences are shared, such as the afterlife review.

The astral(spirit) realm, the reptilians and their agenda

The Reptilians are found in the literature of multiple ancient cultures across the globe. Jainism and Hindu talk about the 'NAGA' whom they describe as 'half-human half-serpent deities'. The aztecs used to worship the 'Quetzalcoatl' whom they described as the "serpent-like God". The Hopi Indians in North America referred to a race of reptoids called the 'Sheti', translated "Snake-Brothers". In Africa, shamans claim to bear extensive esoteric knowledge of a race of reptilian beings called the Chitauri, whom they say control the Earth. Chinese, Korean and Japanese legends talk about a race of reptilian beings called the "Kappa". The Gnostics talk about the parasitic entities whom they call 'Archons' who not only use humans as an energetic food source but they also prevent our souls from leaving the material realm upon the death of our physical bodies.

Note that the author mentions the Gnostic belief of Archons under Reptilians, but the Gnostics generally didn’t describe them that way. The closest is a section from the Nag Hammadi which described Yaltaboath (the first archon) as a “lion faced serpent.”

It’s true that reptilians are beings which are frequently reported by Experiencers of anomalous phenomenon, but unrelated to reincarnation. Out of over 4,000 NDEs reported on NDERF.org, not a single one mentions Archons. There is one very recent NDE which fits with the idea of a soul trap as they propose here, but the author used a pseudonym and is also selling a book.

are both physical and astral beings. Evidence shows that they've been heavily involved in the manipulation of mankind for thousands of years and are responsible for setting up with the help of extremely advanced technology. This energy grid around the planet serves multiple purposes, one of it's main purposes is to project this 'grandiose' tunnel of light in the proximity of people who have just died in order to lure their souls in. This is the same tunnel of light that so many people who've had near death experiences have reported seeing on the other side. The soul may be under the impression that the tunnel is going to take it to the Heavens or perhaps to a higher plane of existence, depending on it's level of awareness. Evidence however shows that when the soul enters the tunnel, its memory gets wiped and the soul is put into another body here on Earth(reincarnation).

The author keeps saying “evidence shows” but then repeatedly links to the same handful of sources, all of which are promoting this same narrative.

The reason they want to keep us here is because they need to feed off of us energetically: when people go through any kind of suffering, these entities feed off of our lower frequency emotions such as fear, pain, grief, anger, jelousy, rage, anxiety, lust, because they are low vibrational beings that require low vibrational energy in order to survive. Rudolf Steiner, one of the most prolific and gifted scientists, philosophers, and esotericists of his time .

It’s worth noting that Rudolf Steiner didn’t believe in germ theory or relativity, claimed the heart didn’t pump blood, and believed that the motions of the planets was due to the spirits that inhabit them. Even the best psychics don’t get everything right, something we know from decades of parapsychology research (about 65% accuracy on average is the best anyone has achieved under rigorous testing).

The majority of people living on this planet today have been continously reincarnating on this planet for thousands of years because we keep falling for the same trap when our physical bodies die.

Since the author keeps quoting accounts from people who have NDEs and reincarnation accounts, then why is he ignoring the overwhelming majority of accounts which claim that the people chose to reincarnate?

When our physical bodies die or when we have an out-of-body experience, our soul goes into the astral(spirit) realm and while we can still observe what's happening on Earth but we can no longer interact with physical matter. These parasitic entities exist mainly but not exclusively in the astral plane. It's crucial that we become aware of the fact that these entities who are masters of deceit play 'God' in order to trick us into accepting reincarnation and thus having our memories wiped, convincing us that it's in our best interest to do so.

This post is not arguing against the idea that there may be creatures in the astral realm which feed off our emotions. It’s commonly described in metaphysical literature unrelated to this narrative. But that’s the point—even then, none of those descriptions include “soul traps” run by Archons or anything of that nature.

How are they able to do that, you may ask? When we're out of our bodies the laws of physics as we know them no longer have the same effects upon us as we find ourselves in a different realm in which we are able to do things that would be impossible in the physical world. Our souls are pure energy, so in the astral/spirit realm, we can change the shape of our astral body(spirit) into anything we want by simply willing it to happen because unlike in the physical world, we can use our consciousness to manifest a different looking body in an instant when we're in the astral plane, since we are no longer affected by physical laws and limitations. We can also fly around or teleport by simply using our intention to do so. We can even go to higher vibratory realms(where the real good-hearted beings live) if our vibration is high enough.

True, this is largely supported by the literature and research.

If you understand that in the astral, any entity can change the shape of it's astral body into anything it wishes to, then you realize that even the most malevolent entity possible can present itself to you in a different form to trick you into thinking you're speaking to God or to your guardian angel, or even to one of the members of your family who had passed away. They do this because they know you'd put your trust in these religious figures or in the familiar faces and once they gained that trust they can easily manipulate you into doing things that are not in your best interests at all. They masquerade as 'beings of light' that emanate a fake sensation of love and peace to make you think they're the good guys who are there to guide you and to give you your next "mission to fulfill".

The author is falling prey to a major logical fallacy here in assuming that because something is possible, it must be happening. This is called the Appeal to Probability Fallacy.

Afterlife tricks & scams

If you don't enter the tunnel of light when your time comes, you need to be aware that these entities will present themselves to you in the form of angels/Jesus/God/saints/guides/ascended masters/guardian angels and they're going to try to convince you that you need to go back to Earth so you can pay back your "karmic debt" or to continue "learning" or that you have to go back with a "special mission to fulfill" which is complete bullshit but we keep falling for these scams because they tend to make sense from our narrow and pre-programmed perspectives(good luck fulfilling that "special mission" if you can't remember what the "mission" was). We put blind trust in what they say to us because of constant religious indoctrination during our lives on Earth and these beings know that.

Again, we’ve strayed from research purely into belief. The author has decided that anything positive in the afterlife must be fake. When a theory is based on the belief that anything which conflicts with it must be a lie, then the theory itself can say anything it wants regardless of the evidence. Which is exactly what they’re doing.

They can't force us to reincarnate because each soul has free will,

No so fast—as referenced above, there are a percentage of cases where people claim they were forced to return or reincarnate against their will. They are outliers, but they exist. But if we accept outliers as legitimate (which their theory relies on), then this statement is not accurate.

Because our memories are being wiped after each life time, many of us live under the illusion that we're currently living our first life on this planet and we came here to "learn". Learning about life on Earth and experiencing it would be useful if we didn't lose our memories after each life time. But it doesn't matter what we learn over here as long as everything gets erased after each reincarnation and we have to relearn everything from scratch over and over again in an endless loop.

The kind of learning the author is ridiculing is the exact learning that the Gnostics strived for, calling it gnosis or “knowing”:

“When they come forth from the body, such a soul is given over to the powers created by the rulers, bound in chains, and cast into prison again. Around and around it goes until it manages to become free from forgetfulness through knowledge. And so, eventually, it becomes perfect and is saved.’”

Earth is a prison planet camouflaged as a 'cosmic school'. This idea of a cosmic school has been going around in order to trick souls into wanting to come and stay here in order to "learn". This whole is designed to drain our energy, wipe our memories over and over again and keep us trapped.

At this point, the only sources the author keeps quoting are websites which promote the prison planet idea. They’ve abandoned any academic sources and are now stuck purely with self-referencing propaganda.

Many people that went through near death experiences even recall being accompanied by a "loving" angel who showed them their life review. The reason the entities show us life reviews is so we can relive certain moments from our lives in which we made certain mistakes and by reliving those moments, feelings of guilt, shame and remorse are being generated inside of us, making us want to compensate for them. These beings then use these feelings against us telling us things such as: "You have made these mistakes, you have to go back to fix this and that".

That’s not anywhere close to what the vast majority of NDEs describe. The overwhelming majority claim that the life review is done in a purely compassionate and non-judgmental fashion:

“There are many reasons for the life review and all of them are very important. The life review has been described by many to be the single most enlightening experience they have ever had.”

“The purpose for the life review is strictly for education, enlightenment and spiritual growth. In the presence of the Being of Light, some people may judge or condemn or punish themselves. There is no judgment except the judgment we might level at ourselves and even this we shouldn’t do.”

Nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes, so their emotional manipulation scam will never end if you buy into it because being human it's impossible to not make what we perceive to be humanly mistakes. for example shows how one woman is shown not one but two fake life reviews in order to convince her to go back.

The linked video is a perfect example of how the author is viewing things with a very biased and stifled view which causes him to ignore conflicting evidence. The woman said she was shown her initial life review showing the opportunities she had missed, and after much self regret she was then shown her life again with the opportunities taken and how much more joyful it was. She then pleaded to be sent back with renewed purpose and a much brighter view of life.

Her story is very common. The vast majority of NDEs result in the subject having much greater happiness and sense of purpose in their life. They also tend to be more loving and caring of others.

If these all powerful Archons are feeding off people’s suffering, why would they give so many people beautiful and loving experiences that positively change their lives and the lives of people around them? Why not just cast them into ‘hell’ (which some NDEs describe, although they are almost invariably saved from it).

"New Age" believers who promote calling upon "your" spirit guides, guardian angels, ascended masters and religious figures for help, are actually doing huge damage to themselves and to all of humanity and they are not even aware of it. You are everything you need to succeed. You are a powerful creator being and you don't need to give your power away to anybody.

None of those people are asking you to give away your power. They’re encouraging you to explore it, and to take advantage of the opportunities that surround you in order to grow the strength of your spirit. The Prison Planet eschatology encourages self-centeredness, selfishness, and a lack of empathy by telling people to look after no one but themselves. I would argue that the idea that “the only person that matters is you” is why this planet is currently going through such strife and calamity.

I’m not going to waste more of my time pointing out the tremendous flaws in thinking here. This is what I would encourage you to do:

• Go to primary sources to learn about these subjects. For example, don’t just read someone telling you what Robert Monroe said, read Robert Monroe.

• Be careful of confirmation bias. It’s easy to find outliers in data that support an idea, but outliers don’t represent the big picture.

• Ask yourself how the ideas being presented to you make you feel. Happy, Optimistic, and Joyful? Or Angry, Bitter, and Hopeless? If they truly believe that evil archons feed on suffering and fear then they’re basically creating a buffet by promoting the prison planet system.

The question was “Some people are quoting accounts from the NDERF website to promote the idea that we live on a ‘prison planet,’ where we are forced to reincarnate in order to harvest negative energy. Does your organization have any thoughts on this belief system?”

There are many people using NDEs to say many things that have various relationships and consistencies within the actual evidence and direct deductions that serve as proofs for very specific things. The above concept are not part of recurring serious research in any formal setting we have seen. As such, I would focus on what is known. NDEs represent a unique and powerfully profound experience that has after-effects on psyche and behavior unlike any other known human experience. They evidences the separable nature of self-consciousness from the physical body ("soul"?), a state of existence and being capable of making visual and audible observations without the use of bodily organs and, by direct deduction, a creator "God."

Many of the anecdotal accounts which are cited by Prison Planet adherents come from hypnosis, which is notoriously unreliable as a forensic tool.

Many persons who attach no importance whatever to their dreams—realizing that most of them are merely images of the dreamer’s subconscious mind without correspondence to any other reality—nevertheless believe that whatever emerges during hypnosis can invariably be taken at face value. In fact, the state of a person during hypnosis resembles in many ways—although not in all—that of a person dreaming. The subconscious parts of the mind are released from ordinary inhibitions and they may then present in dramatic form a new “personality.” If the subject has been instructed by the hypnotist—explicitly or implicitly—to “go back to another place and time” or given some similar guidance, the new “personality” may appear to be one of another period of history. Such evoked “previous personalities” may be extremely plausible both to the person having the experience and to other persons watching him or her. Experiments by Baker and by Nicholas Spanos and his colleagues have shown how easily different suggestions given by a hypnotist can influence the features of the “previous personality” in conformity with suggestions.

In fact, however, nearly all such hypnotically evoked “previous personalities” are entirely imaginary just as are the contents of most dreams. They may include some accurate historical details, but these are usually derived from information the subject has acquired normally through reading, radio and television programs, or other sources. The subject may not remember where he obtained the information included, but sometimes this can be brought out in other sessions with hypnosis designed to search for the sources of the information used in making up the “previous personality.” Experiments by E. Zolik and by R. Kampman and R. Hirvenoja have demonstrated this phenomenon.

This is not intended to dismiss all hypnotic accounts, but is an important reminder that they should not be taken at face value, and in purely scientific terms are of minimal value at best. When dealing with such an important subject, it’s important to stick to the best information we have.

Edit: A few readers have kindly pointed out that hypnosis has shown clinical benefit for many applications, and they’re absolutely right. I didn’t mean to imply hypnosis itself is not useful, and I also want to emphasize that I’m not saying that truthful information can’t be recalled under hypnosis. It’s just a matter of questioning how that information is being obtained (the subconscious, psi, or confabulation), and the great difficulties in trying to sort it out.

I also want to note that researchers like Michael Newton found regression itself to be a very beneficial tool in helping people from a clinical standpoint. Patients reported improvements in their lives after regression, even on longstanding issues that otherwise resisted treatment. The problem arises when the information that is produced is treated as accurate information from which narratives are built.

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One of the claims often cited is that the majority of NDEs are negative, and that people are forced to reincarnate.

First, let’s start with how much data there is on Near Death Experiences:

Multiple lines of evidence point to the conclusion that near-death experiences are medically inexplicable and cannot be explained by known physical brain function. Many of the preceding lines of evidence would be remarkable if they were reported by a group of individuals during conscious experiences. However, NDErs are generally unconscious or clinically dead at the time of their experiences and should not have any lucid organized memories from their time of unconsciousness.

The combination of the preceding nine lines of evidence converges on the conclusion that near-death experiences are medically inexplicable. Any one or several of the nine lines of evidence would likely be reasonably convincing to many, but the combination of all of the presented nine lines of evidence provides powerful evidence that NDEs are, in a word, real.

Now, regarding the claim that most people are forced to reincarnate:

No large-scale statistical analysis on selection has yet been performed. However, reincarnation researcher Ohkado Masayuki and doctor Ikegawa Akira co-authored a 2014 paper surveying parents and children on their intermission experiences, using a sample of 21 children who had claimed recall of them. Of the 21, seventeen said they chose their parents. Nine said they chose their mothers and eight that they chose both mother and father; of the eight, four said they chose the mother first and four, both parents simultaneously.

Other reincarnation researchers including the pioneer of the field, Ian Stevenson, have noticed a similar preponderance of free choice, occasionally with selection assisted by a spiritual being. More rarely , selection appears to have been forced or in some instances forbidden. Motivations fall into distinct categories, as will be described below.

There are reports of negative cases such as the ones often cited, but they are a significant minority (more on this later):

The great majority of near-death experiences (NDEs) reported publicly over the past four decades have been described as pleasant, even glorious.

If people are willing to accept the research stating that after death experiences are real, on what basis do they reject the same research which claims that the vast majority of cases are viewed as positive?

In terms of explaining the negative experiences similar to the ones often reported, let me offer this:

[Both of these] distressing NDErs would say that without the dNDE, they would not have furthered their personal and spiritual development. In this sense, Rommer concluded that although distressing NDErs frequently struggle through the emotional aftermath of their NDEs, they almost always eventually come to see their experiences as blessings in disguise.

I’m not in any way denying that some people have negative experiences. One of the papers above is fully about that subject. But the reasons why it happens are not fully known because it is not straightforward.