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I'm not trying to be rude but I want to learn more. A lot of american evangelical protestant Christians think from the old testament Jews are God's "chosen people". Do you believe this? Are Jewish Christians "better" than non-Jewish Christians? Is there a difference between Jewish and non-Jewish non-Christians?
I saw some American evangelical pastors say things like "Jews are God's chosen people" so I want to learn what the Orthodox or Catholic belief is.
I ask this 100% in good faith not sure if i am a lukewarm Christian or a respectful hate free agnostic.
Peace
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>>807117Besides American evangelicals, no,
Jews are not God’s chosen. They are responsible for His death and reject His divinity. Many outright spit on him.
Side note, Jews, semites excluded, are not a race.
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>>807117What about parts like the "dogs eat the scraps off their masters table", is that not what it seems like?
Again I'm genuinely coming in good faith, I read the whole gospels but I didnt understand this. Specially cause Jesus says "be a light to all the nations" and "baptise people of all nations"
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>>807135could i ask if you have ever read the new testament start to finish?
<i do not claim to be a theologian but from what i know, that part is in reference to the amount of faith that the woman had for Christ. that has nothing to do with zionism.
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>>807138Iirc I read matthew, mark, romans, both corinthians, galatians and revelation.
I'm just trying to understand the role of the jews in Christianity. Did Jesus minister "for the jews" only like gentiles only "eat the scraps", did Jesus minister to everybody, that
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>>807141Early christianity*
Like when jesus was on earth
Obviously paul and the church preached to gentiles and thought they were equal
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>>807138Im not even asking about zionism
Im asking about "God's chosen people" beliefs u hear irl
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>>807158why would anyone get this? almost all his fans are christians and he would preach about Jesus on campuses
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>>807127Why does he say "i came for the house of israel" though? The jews rejected him by crucifying him but did he come for the jews?
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>>807155The idea of Zionism and Jews being “God’s Chosen “ is, not joking, a psy op that has been infiltrating American Christian churches, mainly Protestant, for the last century and a half. Any “Christian” who promotes “judeo-Christian values “ is one of them.
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>>807160he defended Israel whole-heartedly for years, also Bibi Netanyahu praised him.
>>807164 Pagan Roman oppressors victimized the Tribe including Jesus.
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>>807166I'm Catholic and a Zionist. I was happy to see Ben Shapiro talk with Pope Leo
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>>807164The biblical Israel and modern Israel are two different things
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>>807169nope, both are the state governments of the Chosen Jewish People. In the end times the 1/3rd Chosen pure Jews will convert to Christianity and rule over the rest of us with Jesus
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>>807141no he did not just minister to the jews. he ministered to everyone. neither greek nor jew or whatever
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>>807170Ok just ignore everything that I said or whatever
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>>807169Just so you know this guy is not me i genuinely wanna talk not insult
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>>807169Did israel used to be God's chosen people in christianity?
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>>807183well yes, but that never implied rabbinic judaism. we believe as Christians that we are the continuation of the Second Temple, so i guess that implies that Christians are the chosen people.
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>>807189Is the church a third temple or are temples only history now
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>>807189In old testament times were israeli jews better than european pagans? Im not a pagay but I want to understand, is it simply religious difference or were covenant jews "superior" and european gentiles "worse"
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>>798202 (OP)I won
But so did Jesus
So we all win really
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>>807202Yes, the church is the continuation of temples of the old testament. Hence why we dont do sacrifices anymore.
>>807203I wouldnt say they were better, but rather pagans were simply lost; drifting away from the faith of their fathers. Im no historian, but from what ive heard europeans came from africa/the middle east. Possibly meaning they originally followed the faith of the ancient israelites.
Just my two cents. I encourage you to do your own research on this topic, especially the idea that the Church continues the faith of the old testament.
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>>808478I'm trying to understand how christianity thinks about jews and gentitles in the new testament. Thanks. I will research.
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Also how do we explain circumcision in the old testament? I think circumcision is gross child abuse. Again I dont want to be mean or rude, sorry if I look rude.
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>>808808No problem man, glad i could help.
The jews we see today are the pharisees of the new testament. They didnt believe Jesus was the Son of God because of their hard-heartedness; they were prideful in thinking they were already holy and didnt need a savior. And to this day, they still reject Him as their savior; the jews still think their messiah hasnt come yet. Despite Jesus literally fulfilling ALL of the old testament prophecies about the messiah.
A lot of people, especially on /pol/, call Christianity "jewish", not knowing the reason why jews exist today is solely because of their denial of Christ. Google "talmud quotes about christians".
>>808810During the old testament time, God's covenant to the israelites was circumsision (Genesis 17:9-10). Luckily we dont have to circumsize people anymore because we're no longer under Moses' law (old testament law). Its evident the status of circumsision doesnt matter anymore (I Corinthians 7:18-19). Despite this, for SOME reason,
(((they))) push circumcision as being good.
That being said, I dont know exactly why God chose circumsicion of all things, knowing all the bad things about it. But i suppose it had to do with obedience to God's will.
In the mean time, keep asking questions & seeking answers. God bless you.
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i wish you all a wonderful day whoever is reading and may God bless you all
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'gated again award
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>>809222oh nononononoNOONOOnonono
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>>809222>using supersage as a disagreement buttonyou'll find better company on reddit, specifically r/atheism
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>>809233leaky over le christ thread award
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>There have been many cases of sexual abuse of children by priests, nuns, and other members of religious life in the Catholic Church. In the late 20th and early 21st centuries, the cases have involved several allegations, investigations, trials, convictions, acknowledgements, and apologies by Church authorities, and revelations about decades of instances of abuse and attempts by Church officials to cover them up.[3] The abused include mostly boys but also girls, some as young as three years old, with the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.[4][5][6][7] Criminal cases for the most part do not cover sexual harassment of adults. The accusations of abuse and cover-ups began to receive public attention during the late 1980s.[8] Many of these cases allege decades of abuse, frequently made by adults or older youths years after the abuse occurred. Cases have also been brought against members of the Catholic hierarchy who covered up sex abuse allegations and moved abusive priests to other parishes, where abuse continued.[9][10]
epi religion shut it down
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>>809243'gated, this is true but only the catholic church has this problem. Just dont be catholic :) be orthodox or protestant
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>>809264What kind of pagan doe
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>>809270The kind that larps as vikings
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>>809270I tried socializing with fellow thelemites but they started making fun of me cuz I talk too much. So I guess the orphaned kind.
I will make my own lodge at this point because modern pagans are obsessed with bbc o alguna cosa como eso y la pregunta es yo no sabe porque. So digame una cosa. Porque TU crea WHY ARE MODERN PAGANS SO FUCKING RETARDED AND FUCKING GAY AND GOTH AND EMO AND FUCKING WITCHY FAGGOTS WHO LIKE HORROR MOVIES LIKE OH MY GOD I FUCKING HATE YOU ALL
Okay seriously though. I actually don't really know. I just feel like I am pagan deep down and I've kinda adopted a lot of weird /x/ schizo beliefs that I don't feel really belong anywhere, but pagan is an umbrella. All I know is that people don't really like me for some reason.
How the fuck is it possible that the cock sucking dick tugging fucking bibisi obsessed FAGGOTS who shitpost pentagrams everywhere think I'm the weird one??????? Literally how?????????????
Hence why I asked the board, though, I shall recite this question perhaps, maybe someone will answer me.
Should I be a Catholic again (I was raised Catholic) or should I be a paganKIKE (even doe I have no sense of identity). I got kicked out of church so even here I don't really get along with any group for WHATEVER fucking reason istg it just pisses me off BUT I DIGRESS SRRY SRRY SRRY
Why or why not? Thoughts?
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>>809283How long were you catholic for? Also if you dont like Catholicism, you could always try an Orthodox church or maybe a Protestant church? Either way Christ will accept you with open arms. Dont worry about "fitting in" with a certain group, all that matters is being united with Christ.
Also my guess on why a lot of pagans are fags is because they dont have a concept of repentance in their "religion" (ev&oe most of it is larp)
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>>809283im not you but for me being Christian had made me happier I don't know if this will have the same effect on you doe but being a pagan is fine also
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i ask you all to pray for the people that hate you or hate Christ. their soul deserves to be saved as much as yours or your loved ones
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>>809264beliefes in lies not based in even a grain of truth award
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>>810298Trvth. Gem goes up
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>>809264Christians believe in christianity. Pagans don't even believe in their gods or rituals.
