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As always, report and ignore bait. If someone says something profoundly inflammatory or retarded, assume that it's bait and ignore it.
ITT: Discuss the controversies and disagreements between fujoshi, yumejoshi, and himejoshi. Note: yumes and self-shipping aren't necessarily the same thing. Slashers and fujos also aren't exactly the same, though they heavily overlap.
Topics include:
>Whether there is a causal relationship between consumption of yaoi/slash and trooning out>Voyeurism vs. self-insertion>Yaoi men vs. bara men vs. 3DPD gay moids>Does the fiction a person consumes need to comport with their real-life ideology and politics>Female creators' portrayal of male-male sex/romance vs. male creators' portrayal of female/female sex/romance>Do women read yaoi or slash as an "escape" from misogyny IRL>Can women be "porn addicts" and/or why are women held to higher standards of moral purity than men>Whether (or why) lesbians can/cannot be fujoshi>No True Fujoshi (i.e., does enjoying "straight-with-extra-steps" shit like A/B/O, Mpreg, cuntboy, etc. make someone "less" of a fujoshi)>General moralfaggotryPrevious:
>>2737261 No. 2763673>>2763679
>>2763667People over exaggerate this so hard, shotas look and act nothing like actual little boys, fujos specifically like them with men or other boys and I’ve literally only heard of a pedo fujo once (weird fakeboi Ciel larper in this case who actually went after teen girls not boys).
People literally just exaggerate it to make fujos look worse.
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>>2763671Lolicons actually fuck kids
Shotacons do not
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>>2763679Difference is that lolicons actually rape kids
>implying male shotacons do not exist Different genre, guys self insert as the shota.
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>>2763662Pretty sure it wasnt even shotacon regardless, probably "university students" in some sort of 4th wall break thing given the artist's pen in frame, theres a handful of bl like that.
Its just the yurifag being pissy that nobody wants to watch symphogear strip pole dance and trying to make others look bad by saying that shirtless shounen/adult men on cover of bl is the exact equivalent when its pretty clear it isn’t.
the Erased post though, that one was actually legit but niche enough that I cant tell if they're just being cheeky. No. 2763738
>>2763729Yurifag would have flipped the fuck out and get the thread deleted lol.
>>2763733That's not what you're saying unless this is you admitting that your interest in stuff like symphogear is unironically pedophiliac.
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>>2763735The entire last few episodes are BL as fuck, Yashiro literally dedicated over 15 years to lovingly gazing at a little boy turned grown man in a coma.
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>>2763662>Women say they don't want to watch Kill la Kill because it is a mainstream TV anime that sexualizes underage girls?>Oh yeah, well what about this niche pornography i found specifically in the porn section specifically looking for pedoshit?I know youre going to deflect back to shounen anime as soon as this hypocrisy is pointed out kek.
You do realize that once we pit the sheer number of niche shota doujin porn against niche loli doujin porn, which gender is gonna get more works, right? It's not even a contest so you try to lie about it.
>>2763678people do not post durin poledancing in stripper clothes no? The only post in there even remotely like that is literally just making fund of an
actual lolibait design (picrel) on an actual upcoming character, while durin literally doesn't show 1 square millimeter of skin beyond his face.
Also both durin and scara look as old as the grown up women posted in
>>>/ot/2763179 i will never understand the seething about that. Actual shota would be a bodytype like Klee or Qiqi, which fundamentally doesn't exist in the game.
Again, you are pitting the existence of a random fully clothed 20+ year old looking guy against a 15-year old stripper poledancing as the necessity for 'caring about women'.
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>>2763770Better than tbe loli/shota debate.
Its not like there isnt shota in yaoi but the anti are always so off course with it and either bring up the most random shit they find on tranny twitter or lie about standards because they genuinely have no idea what fujos actually do.
Compared to how mainstream and well known popular yuri franchises are, this in of itself can be worth a bit of discussion.
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>>2763775Anon you don't understand, these are literally the same.
Also we know that only fujos like these characters. Nobody else, ever.
It's just like symphongear! You can totally see his bare asscheeks!
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>>2763775>Actual shota would be a bodytype like Klee or Qiqi, which fundamentally doesn't exist in the gameYou know teen shota is a thing right?
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>>2763782Scara and Durin look as grown up as
>>>/ot/2763179 . You are desperately coping at this point
None of this excuses going straight up into a porn section desperately trying to find an equivalent to your
>literal mainstream teen anime putting girls in stripper clothes with the cameras in their pussy while their boobs jiggle and they are practically naked and shitand then acting this is about feminism
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>>2763726I don't like the fanservice in anime, but I like the plot and characters, so I'm able to overlook it. Books, TV shows, etc are full of heterosexuality and men, even the "lesbian" ones. And most of the stories are boring as fuck.
Fujos ignore all the fanservice in shounenslop and keep drawing yaoi of the hetero men in it. But they are suddenly unable to do the same if it's an all-female cast series.
No. 2763801>>2763808
>>2763788Symphogear is pretty big. Madoka, Love Live, WoM, Horse girls, pretty much most cgdct and magical girl series nowadays, new game, any girl band show, Lycorius Recoil.
>inb4 "not yuri"Going on fujo (bl is never getting adapted so we got to settle with bait) standards
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>>2763782none of these even remotely wear stripper clothes like picrel in
>>2763775 and dont have fucking fetish content like dancing stripper shit
again, most people into like Len are teens. On here, everyone posts about adults while you talk about your sexy stripper 15 year old girls that look drawn like theyre 8
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>>2763808Shounen doesn’t but Seinen does
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>>2763799Why do a lot of women who like part 7 and all the yaoi in it also like part 6 and jolyne then
Explain this
It's almost like these woman won't watch disgusting lolislop for some other reason besides the number of women in it, hmmmm
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>>2763775>Actual shota would be a bodytype like Klee or QiqiBut you are accusing the woman in the pic of being loli, even though she's the medium woman body type.
>20+ year old looking guy No adult men would dress like those fags, even in a fantasy game. Can you imagine the tall men characters in those clothes? Scaramouche also does that cliché child taunt
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>>2763826It got pointed out with symphogear because fujo were getting called misogynistic (this is moralfagging) for not watching cgdct shows.
If you didn't want moralfagging, you shouldn't have started it with moralfagging.
I think people like what they like, I dont care. I dont like ass shots in shounen, but I dont have to pay attention to when that happens and still have a decent time because those are
side characters and not the whole fucking show.
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>>2763837Why not fujos read JWQS? Would be closer to be the equivalent of the series you're suggesting.
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>>2763850>>2763851I'm literally the same fucking person you retards. I never said I wanted fujos to watch nymphoqueer, I just gave it as an example of a shounen-esque anime with an all-female cast. You even ignored Toji no Miko that has very little fanservice because all you do is argue in bad faith and nitpick.
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>>2763840the whole thread is basically just anons complaining about something that showed up on their feed lol
>>2763847it targets both dummy
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>>2763832At least watch the show you are criticizing before spouting bullshit. The correct is:
>women like shows for the 80% action, character driven-plot, well written women, interesting story and fights that because of misogynist writers/artists have 20% sexualization of girls that they reluctantly tolerateVS
>Fujocoomers actively seeking out 100% badly written women with fanservice and terrible plots because they have het boys to ogle and write yaoi about No. 2763869>>2763873
>>2763859So you were so stubborn and angry about fujo that, when people told you they didnt like Symphogear, despite knowing the exact type of show fujo (and the nonfujo asking for a show with female cast with no fanservice) would be more privy too, that you decided instead to act like a complete schizo retard and start spazzing out about how all fujo are shotacons, while spamming links to adult men bl and Genshin, saying it was basically the same as a stripper pole dance?
Are you insane or just that fucking dumb, my god.
>>2763868You start because you need it desperately, maybe you'll finally figure out how a stripper pole dance with ass and feet in your face and a genshin impact dude wearing shorts are different things.
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>>2763861>>Fujocoomers actively seeking out 100% badly written womenok now we know you're coping, but also keep complaining that the women don't get screentime in shonen kek
Yes, women seek out shows with less parts offensive fanservice while it still has something to offer, why are you blaming the misogyny of the writers on women while they want to enjoy good action. All 'shounen esque' yuricoomer action meanwhile is 15yo strippers with their tits out, why would i go there to watch a much bigger percentage of repulsive shit while it has nothing else to offer.
If action anime actually had the girls dressed more sensibly like the boys usually are, with no weird fanservice shit, i'd watch it for entertainment but it practically doesn't exist. Madoka sorta counts i guess.
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>>2763859I googled your other show and it was yet again underage looking girls doing bath scenes and beach episodes and shit
when will you learn
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>>2763874The spiciest thing in the anime is literally a fully censored onsen scene.
>>2763876Oh yeah because I am all yurifags. Of course.
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I think more shows should do omnipandering to make it more fair.
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>>2763871Symphogear has a better and more creative plot than all shounenslop, and much more soul. Shounenshit is just 1000 episodes of filler and clichés to make money from retards.
>while it still has something to offerYou bring this up when the thing to offer is men for fujos, but completely ignore the women who put up with fanservice because it can offer well written female characters and a good story. Of course you think your cooming material is more important than actual story and entertainment.
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>>2763879Well, according to farmhands that's basically pornography so I'm going to have to pass and return to my fujoslop, sorry.
It's too bad this million episode shonen with tons of yaoi I'm enjoying has literally 0 female characters of note! It must be the lack of loli ass!
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>>2763881the thing you're acting dense about is that it doesn't offer 'men' for 'fujos', it offers
nonsexualized protagonists for 'girls', as in women can watch it without having little stripper girls shoved into their eyes 100% of the time like in yuricoomer anime.
THAT'S why shounenshit tends to be popular among
girls in general (besides shoujo, which most of the time does not depict women in lolistripper shit either) despite the main demographic being male.
again, if the leads in shit like symphogear
didn't look like that or didn't do fucking stripper poledancing i'd be much more inclined to watch it for the same reason.
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>>2763889It's not high art, but it does have an interesting creative plot, themes and awesome dynamics between female characters. It's not just generic trash with zero plot.
>>2763894ONE shounen made by a woman VS 9999 slop made by misogynistic men, some of which are pedos or defend their pedo mates
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>>2763896"nonsexualized protagonists" and they are all males lmao. Of course they are usually not sexualized. But the actual female characters in shounen have worse fanservice than symphogear and zero good writting to make up for it.
Some women want to watch things about women, not simp for men. Deal with it.
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>>2763901>its been translated for years so if you haven't read it its proof that you don't touch anything with female leads at all.I just only recently got into chinese literature? I haven't read a lot of dannei either hence saying my backlog is huge.
But yeah, guess that makes me a retarded fucker, definitely makes me want to read that book and not consider it as something a twat would think is good.
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>>2763906>watched something like Toji?what the fuck are you talking about? Is this some anime with women who aren't 15yo stripper poledancers?
>>2763908>"nonsexualized protagonists" and they are all males lmaoyes. but the fact that women can get a break from seeing deformed versions of their own teenage bodies in stripper clothes with their tits out is part of the appeal, no matter how mad it makes you for some reason.
By your own admission women get less screentime in shonen, so those offensive elements tend to be much lesser in percentage. Why would i seek something out that is 100% pedoshit instead.
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>>2763902Yeah and she's based and I will continue to read yaoi about it as I have done for the past 2 decades while also deeply appreciating riza hawkeye
You cannot make me read or watch the naked underage girl ass series
I don't like to read shit about highschool in general, regardless of whether it's shonen or not
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>>2763934I mean, I'm personally still getting through korean stuff and Ill admit I should read more western literature.
But I dont think its unreasonable at all, you just sound obnoxious and I'd rather avoid anything you recommend.
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>>2763956Tbf iirc dont people say that doesn't count because Charlie isn't given enough love and attention?
Haven't watched it myself so I genuinely don't know.
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>>2763947yeah, people pretending fujos don't watch general audiences stuff like dungeon meshi or azudaioh or nichijou or whatever is so stupid
>no, you MUST watch my 15 year old stripper shake her ass!That, or
>what about this boring ass court drama soap opera where nothing happens? you literally hate women if you don't read my boring ass series of rich ladies having meltdowns over the tiniest glare No. 2763966>>2763988
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>>2763922I won't read your Chinese novels because I get filtered by my lack of familiarity with Chinese, I haven't read any of the big Chinese yaois or whatever the correct term is for them either
I have specific and stupid edgelord tastes that the majority of Chinese stuff I see tl'd doesn't pander to at all
My favorite female cast series is land of the lustrous btw (if we can count that)
Why are so many of you dead set on demanding random fujos read shit that's in a completely different genre and cultural context than their clearly preferred media
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>>2763963Focusing on the stripper and ignoring the suplexing a space shuttle, samurai-like singer, lots of guns and explosions, ancient priestess who went cuckoo and wants to blow up the Moon (also grabs it with a whip), awesome singing while fighting (not the CD versions), training montages, ancient goddess who hid herself in language itself, a good explanation why befriending was actually the only solution and violence wouldn't fix it, classmates singing the school anthem to revive the fallen heroes, arm getting chomp, saving the day by javeling throw, coolest interpretation of the tower of Babel, gay girl's power literally being caused by love, duet fighting, failed suicides, beef stroganoff, possessions, cute senpai-kouhai, failed terrorists.
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>>2763988>>2763990I'm so sorry anons you're so right, I actually haven't seen a woman in an anime ever and the gems are actually just hot yaois. You caught on to my clever ruse.
I will now watch symphongear as penance, but I probably won't survive due to my crippling fear of breasts. Please pray for me my fujoshi sisters.
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>>2763993You're forgetting about the time when Hibiki beats the shit out of a tranny as well. And yes it's literally a tranny voiced by a male kek.
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>>2763993>series has mecha but no char clonedropped. deleted. ignored.
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>>2763993When you put it like that… you can even make something like Mushoku Tensei sound cool lol. Why focus on the 20% that's loli when there the 3 awesome cool swordstyles, the human, beast, and demon gods, the nuke disaster, and the six sided world?
Though tbf, if there's passion theres passion. Don't want to knock that, not like I dont do with stuff I like either (both bl and nonbl).
Just dont get why it has to be paired with "fujo are misogynistic for not watching this too, why cant fujo read things with women? Why why why???"
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>>2763993>recommending school girl waifuslop symphogear writen by moids instead of the superior worldbuilding action packed story with a strong female lead written by a female authorI hope everyone avoids everything you recommend kek
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oh oops haha walking across your thread teehee im such a clutz
