The recent progress under the more collaborative, team-based practices of late has been magnificent. It'd be a pity to see that get undermined.

Feel free to fork the project under a

Feel free to fork the project under a

Right

Love the self reflection. Very mature

What the hell is your problem Graf? You disappear for a year, come back to send a bunch of work to the curb, use generative AI bullshit to solve an easily searchable problem, and then tell people to kick rocks when they raise a valid concern for it? This engine has been in the greatest health it has ever seen, and it feels like you hate the very notion of anyone touching your precious code.

Feel free to fork the project

And you know how I know that? Because someone did fork this project, which you then threw a massive shit fit on its respective Discord server because you weren't in charge, took unfinished code from that wholesale without barely any effort to touch it up, then left from several servers when your adult tantrum didn't work.

I've had enough of the oxford pleasantries with you, Graf.

I've caught wind of what's going on and frankly I am appalled at your crypto-supporting fascist strongarming of a team that was actually making progress with their work. You came along because you absolutely hate being inept at leading a project and decided to grab everyone by their ovaries.

I'm fucking done supporting GZDoom. I'll try to make do with my own fork, but you just fucked over a huge amount of devs who relied on this engine. Absolute chud you are, thank you so fucking much.

yeah, the use of chatgpt is the last straw for me, i'm done with tolerating your bullshit graf

Feel free to fork the project under a

Oh, don't you worry, we'll be looking into just that. You have just completely bricked GZDoom with this bullshit. Not only have you stated your intent to use GenAI code, something that very likely violates the GPL license as it slowly gets ruled that anything created by GenAI cannot be copyrighted due to it not being made by a (legal) person, but you've now shown you're a total bad faith actor in terms of the code base and will push this slop at any time, completely untested at that. According to you, as long as it compiles it's fine. Oh, whoops, actually it doesn't even need to compile. Literally, this shit was in a better place when you didn't touch it at all and just let other people with actual experience come in and solve it. We literally just got a new Unix dev who was all in on this that just left because of you and your horrible leadership.

It's truly amazing. Everything was going so smoothly with you finally out of the way. So much work was getting done on GZDoom that we decided to upgrade to a 5.0, a move you agreed to because so many amazing features had managed to get in. Days after you decide to come back out of no where, the project is now completely bricked and everyone is abandoning ship because they don't want to be caught up in the shit storm you're about to unleash on this code base. We had gone nearly an entire year without you direct pushing some garbage rework that breaks everything to master and it finally felt like the project was getting its footing again after a few horrible dev cycles. I can't foresee any of us staying on this project after this, and considering Jay, Marcus, and I make up a bulk of the coming features with 5.0, I think you're about to learn a harsh reality of what happens when you piss off your janitors.

Enjoy your dead project, I'm sure you'll be happy to plink away at it all by yourself where people can finally stop yelling at you to do things. What a fucking embarrassment to the entire ZDoom legacy. I honestly hope GZDoom gets pulled from the main site directly after this, I know for a fact the admins are going to be fuming that they have to wake up to this mess.

This crap here is going to encourage new, current and legacy modders to learn DSDHACKED

I know this was probably uncalled for but I'm serious. DSDHACKED and Decohack might become a more popular option now. AI generated code in possible violation to the GPL and pushing untested code without having the other devs and testers know is 100% scumbag behavior.

frankly more people should learn dsdhacked/decohack, there's so much you can do with a little elbow grease and imagination

anyway if we somehow get nearest-mipmap as the default texture filtering option out of this then its all worth it

I know i have little say or stake in this, but as a known editor of the Wiki, both Doom and ZDoomWiki, i am at a loss for why this is happening. GZ as a port doesn't deserve this, and i hate for it to have to document a change that its history book ends with a black page.

Graf you know that there is oodles of respect for making an engine that a lot of standalone titles use. But what i see happening now is what ive seen happening too many times in the past - You digging your heels into things that go against complete common sense. This was tolerated for years on end because well, it was GZ, right?

But there is a limit and i suppose its happening now. I sincerely hope that one day you can look at the black page that you are now creating and that you wonder if that's the legacy you envisioned this port should have.

This crap here is going to encourage new, current and legacy modders to learn DSDHACKED

I think the fork will alleviate that need.

Le No Chicken Strikes Back

It took long enough honestly, he should have been ditched after the whole fiasco with that Lilith mod, goodbye and good riddance

I sincerely hope that one day you can look at the black page that you are now creating and that you wonder if that's the legacy you envisioned this port should have.

This would require him to have any ability to introspect or care about any of us. We've known for years that Graf merely tolerated us, but it seems we're no longer willing to tolerate him.

I sincerely hope that one day you can look at the black page that you are now creating and that you wonder if that's the legacy you envisioned this port should have.

This would require him to have any ability to introspect or care about any of us. We've known for years that Graf merely tolerated us, but it seems we're no longer willing to tolerate him.

I know, i know this too. I am being hypothetical. It just sucks it has to end on this note considering how thriving GZ is in the current gaming space. So many projects rely on it. They will have a big deal up ahead since they can't upgrade to latest anymore.

RIP GZDoom, make sure to make your mods compatible for vkDoom.

RIP GZDoom, make sure to make your mods compatible for vkDoom.

Another has already been spawned to take its place.

those were some utterly garbage commits to burn everyone's final bits of patience in you over, you really owed it to them to have at least made it interesting

Feel free to fork the project under a

If there needed to be any more reason that this project requires a fork, it would appear the lead maintainer died at his keyboard before he could make a proper reply. That, or he got bored mid reply.

So, it turns out my nitpick about weapons being off-center helped to finally cause GZDoom to collapse. I wish this didn't have to happen, but at least I'll get a cursory mention in the history books.

engine was fucked the moment graf refused to support mars 3d and ad cop anyways /j

Le no chicken gone?!!! Hopefully GZDoom or whatever fork can be actually optimized for once.

That quite literally has nothing to do with GZDoom (It really just adds effects) and more with the fact that the Doom renderloop isn't built for modern hardware.

One project, Helion gets away with it because it rewrites the entire renderloop. Given it has to be Vanilla and Boom accurate, you can imagine the insanity that this is.

I look forward to texture filtering finally being off by default in the near future.

Might be best to lock this since I think beyond this point it's just going to be memes. Unless Graf decides he has something to say, which I doubt he will, I think the main dev team has made their position clear on the matter and going forward we will not be supporting GZDoom anymore if this is the direction he truly feels it needs to go.

Le no chicken gone?!!! Hopefully GZDoom or whatever fork can be actually optimized for once.

That quite literally has nothing to do with GZDoom (It really just adds effects) and more with the fact that the Doom renderloop isn't built for modern hardware.

One project, Helion gets away with it because it rewrites the entire renderloop. Given it has to be Vanilla and Boom accurate, you can imagine the insanity that this is.

Oh I know there's way more to it, I'm just really glad the chicken is on the chopping block. I have high hopes for GZDoom or whatever fork is coming.

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This was the commit that had AI generated code in it that got hidden from public view via force pushing, for context.

I think I stated my views there well.