Philip Morris Q3 Earnings: Looking Beyond Another 10% Drop

Summary

  • Philip Morris International Inc. reported solid results for the third quarter of 2025, with adjusted EPS up 17% and strong performance in smoke-free products such as IQOS and ZYN.
  • PM maintained its market share in traditional cigarettes, while heated tobacco products and oral nicotine products continued to show robust growth.
  • Management raised adjusted EPS guidance and announced an 8.9% dividend increase already in mid-September, while share buybacks remain suspended.
  • I still consider PM shares to be somewhat expensive, but I can imagine returning to the Buy side at a price of $130 or less (P/E 18, 4.5% dividend yield).

January 15, 2020, Monchegorsk, Russia. Gold IQOS electronic cigarette on a dark background, Marlboro and Philippe Morris iqos, which is described as a hybrid cigarette between analog and electronic

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Introduction

Philip Morris International Inc. (NYSE:PM), the company behind the leading cigarette alternative IQOS and the leading oral nicotine products ZYN, announced its results for the third quarter of 2025 today.

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Article Update21 Oct. 2025, 5:55 PM
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jrts
Yesterday, 9:07 AM
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Helpful write-up , thanks. One issue they cited was promotional activity on Zyn for the quarter which might have factored into the share price decline
Dividend and Value Investor
Yesterday, 9:57 AM
@jrts Thank you for the positive feedback, nice to read you found the article helpful. And thanks for noting the promotional activity on ZYN. I haven't listened to the EC yet, but hopefully find the time today.
Secular_Income_Driven
21 Oct. 2025, 3:14 PM
Maybe the bears will be right, but I added a smidgen more when it hit 143 today. I think the shorts are xxxx on this name, and a whole lot of others. But what do I know, they told me the same thing on Raytheon, Cliffs and a bunch of other stocks that ran. Speaking of CLFs, I added a smidgen more of that today as well. Don't know why people even care about the rare earth comments. That doesn't even matter. It's the potential buy out, or should I say buy-in/merger recapitalization from a major trading partner that matters, not some pithy rare earths which I'd just view as a bonus.

I'm also adding more BTI and some other value names lagging today.
Dividend and Value Investor
21 Oct. 2025, 6:07 PM
@Secular_Income_Driven Thanks for commenting. With BTI, I own a very large position and therefore am no longer adding. I've bought aggressively when they had the negative headlines, with the trough marked by the U.S. business impairment charge. I don't think it's in the same position as PM a few months ago, in the sense of a stretched valuation. I consider BTI about fairly valued today.
Secular_Income_Driven
21 Oct. 2025, 7:41 PM
@Dividend and Value Investor I wasn't planning to add today until I saw the steeper pullback, but I also don't invest on a 'singular' entity level. Or single issue like dividend. I'm looking at the correlations with other names and PM often has the best of the bunch in terms of portfolio diversification. MO/BTI are okay, and I own all 3, but when I've back tested models they don't do as well. Which is why those looking for yield only will come to different conclusions. There are very few semi-safe stocks where one can get decent yield, growth and defensive protection on the equity side. Raytheon was that way when I first bought it. Back when Obama slashed defense budgets, I think it dropped down to where it was yielding over 6%. It's been a ridiculous outperformer, and while folks might have sold it when it's yield dropped to 2%, that would have been a HUGE mistake. I've owned the cig stocks even longer but I always keep that in mind when folks debate various virtues of swapping back and forth between the three names. If you'd like hard data, my Raytheon shares have returned 907% as of today, and that's not counting dividends which I stopped reinvesting in 2012. I bought RTX in Feb 2010. I'm an income investor for half my stocks, but PM is a lot closer to RTX than the other two which is why I believe most folks shouldn't lump it is as like-kind. I mean, I've never sold a share of RTX or any of my cig companies, and my PM is still up double MO/BTI. Around 300% vs. 150% or so, not counting dividends. I know when you add dividends back laggards look a little better, but they still drastically underperform. Which is why I'm debating dumping my MO soon and just buying more BTI/PM.

History aside. Did you notice trends under the oral category chart you posted? While there's growth in oral overall, it's clear zyn is taking share not just from competitors, but from other oral alternatives be it snus/dip. Another reason why being the leader in the Zyn market matter so much. I haven't seen Copenhagen's numbers yet, but if we see PM's trend apply to BTI/MO, it reasons to stand that MO stands the most to lose if more folks exit dipping and turn to Zyn like products. Which means, Zyn will be taking more share than folks realize, because if that trend holds, and MO/BTI don't grow their snuff category more than Zyn's category, then Zyn isn't just gaining in product share, it's taking overall oral share. (Not sure if I'm explaining this right since I'm tired.) But if you catch what I'm saying, and you inspect your own chart and agree, then I think you'll see why PM is NOT as overvalued as folks seem to think. It should also explain why even if I must have higher yield, I'd be choosing BTI over MO.

Today's sell off reminds me a bit of the one time Raytheon had a brief, but major sell off. I think it went from 128 to 78 on an engine issue where they knew they'd have to pay back 2B. It was clearly a one time event, but traders sold it off anyways. That was the only time I added shares of RTX other than my early buys, because the sell off was ridiculous for anyone who is a long term investor - not a trader.
CorvetteKid
Yesterday, 1:20 AM
@Secular_Income_Driven ....Zyn and other NPs are grabbing new nicotine customers plus Traditional Moist Smokeless (TMS) users. Skoal is holding up much better than Copenhagen, as I recall (or is it the other way around ?). Anyway, the point is ALL the TMS cans are losing share.

PM down $15 was an overreaction, and I said as much. Zyn has some speed bumps, but not potholes or sinkholes. The category appears to be growing and while I have to check the conf. call and presentation, I believe the market share was still in the 60's despite all the competition. If Zyn is above 50% exiting 2026, I'll be thrilled given the size of the market at that time.
BM Cashflow Detective
21 Oct. 2025, 1:49 PM
Philip Morris remains a clear "hold" because the company possesses something that has become rare on the stock market:

Predictable profitability with growing innovation returns!

While analysts nervously stare at volume fluctuations, PM has long understood that brand power and nicotine technology are the new currency of cash flow, without any hype.

The real wildcard, which hardly any investor considers, lies in the pricing power through regulation.

The more tightly the government restricts tobacco products, the stronger the moat against new competitors becomes.

So anyone who believes regulation harms PM hasn't understood the game board because it cements market leadership.

Long PM

When the smoke clears, in the end, only those who control it will remain – and cash in.

Wonderful!
Dividend and Value Investor
21 Oct. 2025, 6:11 PM
@BM Cashflow Detective Thanks for commenting and good point on bringing up this classical bull argument specific to the sector (this time around with smoke-free products). With heated tobacco, a lot of progress has been made already, but with vaping and oral nicotine products, especially the U.S. is still problematic. The latter, in my view, carry less risk related to no-name competitors than the former, but ultimately I think it Big Tobacco will turn out once again as the winner.
Triple A
Yesterday, 5:11 AM
@BM Cashflow Detective Yes, pricing power has been the wildcard and profitable innovations are adding up to it. This is the kind of company you want to be invested in when the AI smoke disappears.
Triple A
Yesterday, 5:45 AM
@Dividend and Value Investor why is the US problematic? All volume PM may gain with its strong smoke free brands in the profitable US market is accretive. It’s a big opportunity!
defense-dad4428
21 Oct. 2025, 12:33 PM
A sound analysis, I appreciate your perspective. I sold off when the stock reached the upper 170s. It was beginning to take on a valuation that resembled a technology stock. I am not looking for that kind of excitement in my dividend portfolio. I would likely hop back in where you mentioned ($130), or possibly a little lower.
Dividend and Value Investor
21 Oct. 2025, 6:05 PM
@defense-dad4428 Thank you for the positive feedback and well done on timing PM well. If the stock goes to $130, I am happy to add to my position, but at the current price, I wouldn't say the valuation is stretched (unlike where it was earlier this year). A P/E of 20 or slightly above is about right considering the broader peer group (consumer staples), market position, and growth prospects - but clearly not what I consider good value.
CorvetteKid
21 Oct. 2025, 12:33 PM
Excellent commentary, useful charts and graphics, good written summaries of the various pros-and-cons with the stock.

I think right now the business is FINE but the stock is BROKEN. I think part of the problem is that PM management is largely European whereas MO is largely American and the buyers of the stock are largely U.S. institutions. Altria navigates the American sell-side and buy-side better than Philip Morris does, even though they share the same heritage.

They need to know what the U.S. market is thinking and wanting, not their Euro investors.
Secular_Income_Driven
21 Oct. 2025, 3:12 PM
@CorvetteKid The move into the close shows what institutions are doing
Very Thirsty For Dividends
21 Oct. 2025, 3:33 PM
@CorvetteKid

Interesting point that PM stock fluctuations and market reactions to earnings calls are to some degree tied/correlated to European versus American share ownership , and how this characteristic is navigated by each company. The previous 10% drop in PM was followed by an 8 dollar rise in MO. I wonder if the pattern will persist with the MO earning call at month's end.
Dividend and Value Investor
21 Oct. 2025, 6:03 PM
@CorvetteKid Thank you very much for the positive feedback, also on the charts. You might be right on this one, and it's an interesting point you raised.

That said, and while Olczak and his team might indeed be inferior to Altria in terms of managing the buy- and sell-side, I think they manage operations better - especially in terms of M&A. Granted, it would be unfair to critizice current management of Altria in this context, but the missteps re. Juul and Cronos were definitely significant. In contrast, PM's acquisition of Swedish Match was done very well and in my view also at a reasonable price.

Anyway, as a long-term oriented investor I really don't mind in this context - importantly as long as operations remains sound. And such situations might result in another buying opportunity. Of course it's not nice seeing one of the top positions decline 20% in value in a couple of months, but that's what long-term investors are used to (see what RTX did today, and where they were in 2023).
Investing for Freedom
21 Oct. 2025, 12:26 PM
Agreed. I was scratching my head on this past year's run up, which shows too much enthusiasm by the market.
Dividend and Value Investor
21 Oct. 2025, 5:57 PM
@Investing for Freedom Yes, the run up was indeed rather aggressive. I thought about trimming earlier this year but then figured - how often have I made that mistake? Indeed, I've lost way more money selling winners too early than I've lost with companies in operational decline.
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