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@HoSnoopy@m.efg-ober-ramstadt.de@ErikUden Aus solchen Statistiken liest ja auch nur jeder raus, was er will:
Die einen sagen "absolut gesehen begehen etwa 2/3 aller Straftaten Deutsche."
Andere sagen "Wir haben einen Ausländeranteil von .. keine Ahnung.. 20%, würde man das in Relation mit reinstellen.. "
Wieder ander kommen mit anderen Statistiken daher, die die Straftaten noch in unterschiedliche Ethnien aufdröseln und dann kommt raus, daß vorallem die "heißblütigen Orientalen" mit Abstand die meisten Straftaten begehen.
Ich nehme für mich persönlich mit, daß ich in einem Ort mit einem Anteil von mindestens 25% mit Migration bzw. -Hintergrund leben und es läuft bei uns gut. ALLERDINGS haben wir auch keinen echten Brennpunkt, der ist ~10km weiter in DA-Süd3 zB, wo es erheblich mehr Probleme gibt. Das liegt wahrscheinlich weniger an der Migration und mehr an der sozialen Schwäche.
@ErikUden And here is an ironic coincidence: https://social.vivaldi.net/@everton137/115402680318646805
@ErikUden I was wondering the same thing a few days ago. Funny enough, I hardly ever see this kind of content in traditional German media, which is read by millions every day.
I’m aware I still need to improve my German. 
It’s also a bit ironic that your post uses an image in English, while most of your followers seem to belong to the German-speaking tribe.
Obviously DEI. People should get upset and start howling at media that they’re doing all this DEI for criminals. Germans must have their proper place in all this ridiculous Rachel preferences excluding Germans from criminal reports stand don’t you agree?
@ErikUden Please be aware that these are only the reports in which the nationality of the alleged perpetrator is mentioned. According to every local Facebook group, at least 100% of the reports that do not mention the perpetrator's nationality hide the fact that the perpetrator was a migrant.
@ErikUden definitely not unique to Germany
@ErikUden In the meantime, WHERE ARE THE FUCKING EPSTEIN FILES?!?!
"Well, as you can obviously see in these statistics, we need to 'protect the children' by invading YOUR privacy, so that we can sift through all of your family photo's and falsely flag 'baby's first bath'-type pictures AND monitor you for anything bad you have to say about the government.
Now aren't you hungry? Look at this little biased statistics and BS - airplane, look at it! Say "Aaaah!!" Here comes the airplane! Omnomnom!"
@DoctorG_1@vivaldi.net@ErikUden Media needs such statistics to keep German Angst alive.
Moste people do not know difference "suspect" (Verdächtigter) and "convict" (verurteilter Straftäter).
Bad enough that racial profiling and lookism keeps Germany police hunting biased parts of criminal groups and innocent people. Makes such statistics worse.
@KoosPol@mastodon.nl@ErikUden I'm not sure what it is I'm looking at (or what to think of it). Could you fill in the blanks for me?
@em_and_future_cats@mastodon.social@ErikUden Yeah it’s so tiring when “the media” pushes forward certain topics and makes public perception skewed because of it.
For example, over here during the previous election, all you heard about on the news and radio was “how bad the economy is” people were being cautious about buying stuff. Today however, it is worse, far worse… yet people are not as cautious… I attribute it to not having it “spoken loudly across the media” as much as anything
@em_and_future_cats@mastodon.social@ErikUden I only have seen a small sliver of this mind you. Because I was helping a friend sell textile crafts at a festival and farmers market, and this year it seemed like no one was worried about purchasing gifts and expensive blankets like they were last year. Last year people would come by look at stuff and set it down because they didn’t want to spend that much.
@ErikUden
Now look at the percentage of foreigners in Germany.
And then at some more finegrained stats. E.g. 7% of all resident Algerians in Germany have been prosecuted for violent crime.
For Germans, it is 0.16%.
Aus meiner Sicht ist diese Statistik ziemliches Framing oder schlicht zu verkürzt dargestellt.
Offensichtlich ist, dass Straftaten von Ausländern in den Medien stark überrepräsentiert sind.
Aber: Der Anteil an Ausländern liegt in Deutschland nicht bei 34,3 %, sondern bei knapp 15 % (https://mediendienst-integration.de/en/migration/bevoelkerung.html). Das heißt, Ausländer begehen relativ mehr Straftaten. Auf diesen Umstand sollten Medien aufmerksam machen. Sie tun dies leider oft viel zu populistisch.
@ErikUden Media is Enterprises. Enough said.
@FediThing@chinwag.orgThis could apply to media in most rich countries right now, unfortunately 
@ErikUden ist es noch so, dass z.b. Asylantragsteller ihren Ort nicht verlassen dürfen, sonst ist das eine Straftat?
"Wissenschaftliche Dienste Sachstand
WD 3 - 3000 - 221/20
Seite 4
2. Freizügigkeit von Asylsuchenden
Einem Ausländer, der in Deutschland um Asyl nachsucht (Asylsuchender), wird gemäß § 55 Abs. 1,
§ 63 Abs. 1 AsylG eine sog. Aufenthaltsgestattung erteilt. Asylsuchende, die ihren Asylantrag durch
persönliche Vorsprache gestellt haben, sind verpflichtet, während ihres Aufenthaltes in der zuge-
wiesenen Aufnahmeeinrichtung für die Zeit bis längstens 18 Monate zu wohnen (§ 47 AsylG). Aus
dieser Wohnpflicht resultiert in dieser Zeit auch die Einschränkung der Bewegungsfreiheit auf den
Bezirk der Ausländerbehörde, in dem die Aufnahmeeinrichtung sich befindet (§ 56 Abs. 1 AsylG).7" Quelle: https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/813906/4aead3a9db099d08b5adfc8ff080635a/WD-3-221-20-pdf.pdf
Ich bin kein Jurist, aber ich habe mal gehört dass solche "Straftaten" auch in die Statistik fallen.
@ErikUden@marionline Exakt. Solche Statistiken sind höchst Fragwürdig, umso schlimmer das sie dennoch von den Medien überspitzt werden.
@statsguy@mas.to@ErikUden That's sad to see, though unfortunately not at all surprising.
I haven't seen any comparable figures for where I am in the UK, though I expect it would be pretty similar. Albeit probably with fewer Germans and more Brits.
@ErikUden I guess this isn't just an American thing
@ErikUden If 15% of the population are foreigners, but 30% of the crimes are committed by foreigners, then foreigners are more likely to commit crimes. Does that mean we should discriminate these people? No. Of course not. But there will always be some groups of people being slightly more criminal then others. Maybe because they experienced war or other traumatizing things. So we should help these people as much as possible.
@ErikUden@martinvermeer @noah also racial profiling and court bias 
Dazu muss man noch erwähnen, dass es keine bundesweite Statistik zu Verurteilungen und eingestellten Verfahren gibt.
Die wäre ja noch interessanter als die PKS.
Gibt's aber nicht. Liegt wohl nicht im öffentlichen Interesse.
Maybe you have a Media Bias website for German media that you can share?
And if it's not biased, it's just irresponsible media, thinking just about their own profits ( Like X, Facebook and other online social media that wants to profit from sensationalism and fear).
@ErikUden@hadon that's a good question! What I can say is that most German media is right wing or far right.
@ErikUden @hadon
I disagree. The media outlets connected to Springer or Welt certainly fulfill your criteria.
Public media may be swayed, but they are far from being far right. If you want to take a look at far right media, spend some time on Fox News.
The German media landscape is far from being perfect, but it offers more diversity than that of so many other countries.
@ErikUden
I know about this site that rates media bias and looked for the Deutsche Welle, got results! :D So, maybe you guys can look up other German Media and then make a list according to their bias, so that more people could be informed ;)
@ErikUden This makes sense, you only mention what's distinctive about a person.
If there's a news report about domestic violence, the report won't emphasize that the couple had no kids, was not religious, was not famous, or that neither of the participants had any mental illness. If the couple has nine kids, are scientologists, are well-known celebrities and the man is known to have addiction issues, all of those will appear in the news report.
If a German commits a crime in Germany, there's no need to say that a German committed the crime, that is implied. If it's a foreigner doing it, that's something distinctive about the situation.
@ErikUden It's true that it causes people to draw the wrong conclusions though, just as news reporting on plane crashes and nuclear disasters causes people to have the wrong ideas about the safety of aviation and nuclear reactors.
@GLaDTheresCake @ErikUden Nobody mentioned skin color here, this discussion is about German vs. foreigner. At least here (Poland), that info is usually available in police reports, and doesn't have to be implied from skin color.
@em_and_future_cats@mastodon.social@miki @GLaDTheresCake @ErikUden Unlike over here in america.. jeeez I wish we would get over it already! This country (america) is so racist and has continued to be since it was created 
@em_and_future_cats @GLaDTheresCake @ErikUden I don't know what you're refering to specifically, but America is actually a lot more transparent about crime (to its detriment).
Whereas in Europe, a lot of information is withheld for privacy reasons, in the US, any somewhat competent reporter can access most police reports in their entirety, including mugshots and unredacted names of the accused, which they're allowed to publish *before* that person is convicted by a jurry of their peers.
@ErikUden is this per capita or total numbers? if total - that’s no good - foreigners are only 1/6th of the population if they are committing 1/3rd of the crime it’s an imbalance.
@ErikUden@DMTomas you do understand that racial profiling and discrimination is a thing
@ErikUden what does that have to do with numbers and math? Which can inform you which parts of society can be helped with directed social work and education programs?
@ErikUden@DMTomas where do you think the numbers come from? “Crime statistics” affect one another. If you're “concerned” about these statistics, you should still recognize that the media coverage is overblown. So, racist police officers are additionally manipulated into thinking that people of color are synonymous with crime, they check them more often, they may do something during police controls, and courts also have a huge bias against them and it's proven they give worse sentences if it's a person of color for the same crime. So, in crime statistics, marginalized groups will appear more violent, because these numbers are biased
@ErikUden I’m not for demonising any group - my city has just recently bacame much more diverse, and I am enjoying this shift. Having said that - we should not stop using numbers to inform us about decisions
@DMTomas @ErikUden That's exactly the feedback loop you find yourself in that biases police against people of colour. Even if only one cop was racist and checked more PoC, since everyone does illegal things all the time without knowing (you too I promise), the stats will represent a slight uptick in "crime" for them. Then the police goes okay we put a little more effort into this group since they have a slightly higher chance to do crimes apparently. Which then pumps the numbers up even more for crime done by PoC, since they check them way more. Which feeds back into their prioritizing it more and the cycle continues. Basically these stats are useless without stats about how the police stop people and why, the bias reinforces itself.
@DMTomas @ErikUden These crime statistics are inherently inaccurate because they only include people who are caught (which is a very small minority of people who commit crimes overall, but at the same time, marginalized people will be overrepresented due to the realities of prejudiced enforcement). People aren’t going to accurately self-report this type of thing. How would we even go about generating accurate statistics?
@anreji@tech.lgbt@DMTomas @ErikUden iirc when we're talking about "foreigners" here, a huge chunk of that are just tourists. those are obviously not listed as foreigners in the population statistics. also foreigners are more likely to be poor (due to racist hiring practices and policies that actively prevent foreigners from working) and most petty crime is committed by poor people. that's not a problem with foreigners, that's a problem with social injustice and class struggle. also also foreigners can commit "crimes" that native citizens can't commit, like crimes against the residence act, so foreigners are even more overrepresented.
and needless to say crime in general is declining since the 1990s
@ErikUden they are racists, even germans with grandparents that came to work here are counted as foreigners. but probably this is only part of the differences, just guessing.
@dmian@mastodon.social@pa @ErikUden Racism is not the cause, it's the consequence. The strategy is as old as it is effective: the elites convince the working class (in this case, using the media they control) that the problem is the poorest or most vulnerable in society to steer unease from those causing the problem (them), to those who are less capable of defending themselves (in this case, the foreigners). They promote racism to evade the rage and consequences. And they succeed in it. It's quite sad.
@TheSwiv@hear-me.social@ErikUden And when you try to point this out, all you get is "yeah, but..."
@ErikUden I think we can pose the same question for practically every country's media
@capnthommo @ErikUden Nah, I guess the only reason it rarely happens here in Brazil is because diversity: anyone from around the world can look like a Brazilian.
That being said, things are simpler here, people skip the scapegoat and go directly to the point: they blame the poor. It's the poor on welfare. It's the poor that voted wrong. It's the poor with their ugly houses.
@ErikUden ich habe dazu eine einfache und klare Meinung: die Herkunft eines Täters ist meines Erachtens völlig egal - Straftat ist Straftat. Die Nennung der Herkunft ist im Zweifelsfall einfach nur Framing.
Bei der Statistik selbst fehlt mir aber auch noch etwas Kontext. Mindestens die Fragestellung, welche Art von Straftaten (unabhängig von der Herkunft des Täters) es überhaupt in dien Medien schaffen. Im Gegensatz dazu enthalten die Polizeistatistiken ja alle Straftaten. Dann Daten bereinigen.
Ich stimme dir zu. Der Kontext zu den Statistiken fehlt. So kann man mehr mutmaßen als wirklich Schlüsse zu ziehen. Die Herkunft des Täters ist aus meiner Sicht aber nur solange egal, wie sie sich ausgewogen über die Täter verteilt. Sobald Menschen einer bestimmten Herkunft in der Statistik klar überrepräsentiert sind, muss man dem nachgehen, es ansprechen und entsprechend darauf reagieren.
@klyx @ErikUden kleine Korrektur: die Polizeistatistik beinhaltet grundsätzlich keine Straftaten, sondern nur das, was unsere (eher rassistisch geprägte und nicht besonders gut ausgebildete) Polizei als Straftat vermutet.
Zur Straftat wird es erst, wenn ein:e Richter:in entsprechend geurteilt hat und es nicht auf einen Freispruch oder eine Einstellung hinausläuft.
Es gibt allerdings keinen Rückkanal, der diese Polizeistatistik mit diesen Urteilen korrigiert.
Eines der vielen #Polizeiproblem|e.
@outsidecontext @x_tof @ErikUden und da komm ich wieder zu meinem initialen Argument zurück: Herkunft eines Täters ist im Grundsatz völlig egal. Täter ist Täter.
@x_tof @ErikUden danke für die Richtigstellung - das ist natürlich im Rahmen der Unschuldsvermutung (zumindest so wie es theoretisch sein sollte) richtig und ärgerlich. Dank des fehlenden Rückkanals muss man natürlich eine Annahme oder einen best Guess treffen. Dass ist sicherlich auch verfälscht, bin ich bei dir.