I know in today’s hyper politicized day to day this might be hard to see, but it is because Omarchy is awesome. That isn’t a political statement in anyway. Just a nerdy, this software rocks my socks kind of thing.
I’m not saying anything beyond that above. Full stop.
I personally appreciate Framework’s efforts to create a big tent. We need that. Division in the computing world is massively overblown and is purely manufactured in many cases.
Yeah, if you make claims like that, maybe best if you provide some source or context of when these people have actually said they want anyone dead?
Thank you Nirav, your big tent approach is especially appreciated in these times of political polarisation.
Even if, as a public account of a company that will likely want to stay active in and around the open source community as a whole, you check who you interact with first and better stay away from controversial figures in that space.
I’m German, I just can’t say “whatever” and go on with this, in that time. I’ll send back my Framework 12, a device I truly love. A device I did all my workload for Arch Linux with for a whole month, as well as my day-to-day jobs stuff.
The big tent approach ends, where hate hurts people in the space who just want to contribute and have a fun time around others.
I don’t think that is possible in the open source world. I think the open source world attracts mostly controversial figures.
I also don’t think any one person or organization can speak for open source. That is the whole point. Decentralized. Hundreds of thousands of people with varying ideas and beliefs made all of the software in the open source world.
Those “remaining 5%” are either supporting fascism or not supporting fascism, and thus way more important than the other 95%.
If you keep this up, buying framework laptops means directly contributing money to the pockets of people who want me gone or dead. Doesn’t matter that it’s the best laptop available and I’ve had good experiences with every framework device I’ve bought so far, i will have to settle for worse in the future because i morally can’t justify giving my money to a company that forwards it to fascists.
What? I am relatively new to knowing and talking with DHH, but I have not seen anything he has said that would lend credence to what you are saying here. Furthermore these are heavy accusations. I see zero shred of evidence on the internet or revolving around Omarchy. I haven’t see a single negative thing coming out of my discourse around Omarchy. The focus is software excellence, and it is awesome.
If Framework is now knowingly giving money directly to far-right, anti-immigration fascists, I will no longer give money to Framework or recommend Framework. And I will make sure everyone I know does the same. You could have made a good choice here. This “big tent” approach only works when some of the people in the “big tent” aren’t trying to get the other ones exiled or killed. Wrong side of history.
Addendum to this: I personally would love if this was an “apolitical” conversation only about software, and disagreements about software. But the people that Framework is sponsoring are using their platforms – earned in the first place by writing software – to promote fascist conspiracy theories that are about anything but software.
This is not a case of “oh those lefty nutjobs are canceling people again”, it’s a case of “these racists [like DHH] are so damn racist that they can’t stop using their platform to be racist as hell, even though they are ostensibly software developers, and could have chosen to stay in their lane and write software.” Have yourself a little ponder about who started it when you’re saying things like “oh let’s keep software apolitical.”
Additional edit: I think it’s quite telling that a community response of “I’m not happy with this development, please consider changing your mind or I’m going to spend my money elsewhere” is now being met in this thread with responses including inflammatory fascist and racist talking points, transphobia, etc, while Framework says and does nothing about it. It shows exactly the sorts of things Framework is permitting in their “big tent” by rewarding right-wing extremists with money and sponsorship. What a way to tank a community that – a few years ago at least – seemed pretty welcoming and inclusive.
You may disagree with Drew DeVault but this was easily reachable with a simple google search.
So evidence and proof is the opinion of a known activist with specific political leanings? An activist that has said and done many controversial things as well, I might add.
This is a very odd thing to say. There are really crazy people out there, one recently assassinated a guy for just having conversations with people. Projecting untrue ideas on to those you disagree with is kinda the whole problem we are having.
That said, I applaud NRPs response here. I like good open source software. I do not care about the politics of the people behind the software, unless they are using that software to enforce beliefs that do not enhance my life, which is rare. In those cases, I simply find something better to use.
And remember, the great thing about open source software is you can fork it if you don’t like something about the original project. xlibre is an awesome example of this. Xorg was forked and now we are seeing real progress on, what has been for a long time, a stale project.
You can also read and follow the links specifically to what DHH is saying. I find it odd in a conversation about big tent inclusion to immediately exclude something without reading it, though.
Those thoughts being linked are subjectively interpreted. We can both read something and have very different opinions on it. That is not evidence of anything. Evidence is tangible. Not subjective. If DHH was really calling for the death of people that is a crime in most countries and he would have been prosecuted. As that has not happened, yes I am going to suggest that it is merely an opinion and not evidence of anything.
We have different interpretations of how talking about The Great Replacement pans out for minorities then. I’ll concede that this is not something I can convince you of on a forum.
I just want to point out there is nothing true in this statement. No such thing as far-right in current government (unless you consider anything right of your beliefs to be far-right, which is just silly), and immigration is completely fine, currently. My wife is an immigrant and non-us citizen and we have many immigrant friends. They are only deporting criminals, illegals, people who have broken the law.
I think no one posting here is trying to be convinced of anything. Omarchy is a great Linux distro. That is not a political statement, nor should it be.
I am going to stop posting in this thread and just say that I fully support NRP’s comments. My prediction is that this thread will continue on with baseless claims and zero actual evidence. Furthermore, no matter how long this thread gets, it will most likely be one sided. Most folks that don’t agree with what is being suggested here also want nothing to do with it. I would say that only sales are evidence.
I think I’ll go order a Framework Desktop.
Omarchy isn’t even a distro, it’s just some dotfiles and bash scripts.
But even if it was actually good, no matter how good something is, if it’s run by fascists it shouldn’t be supported.
It’s pretty easy. You just check if the project is led by a community of people, join the conversation room for a while and feel the vibe in there.
A bad indicator is always if a project is mainly led by a single person, more so if it’s not covered by an umbrella project that looks over it. And even more so if the projects upstream dislike them.
Nobody can speak for the movement at all. We all are part of it, but everyone is able to decide who you trust, who you work with and what you do in general with your time in that space.
