[–] ▶ №111037[Quote]>>111239>>114605
You mean people with iqs above 60 who don't find Excel saga funny as grown men? Go outside some time. Most people are "Zappa haters" instinctively without even knowing it.
▶ №111068[Quote]>>111243>>111245>>114281
Unfunny, untalented gross jew. To weird for normgroids and not strange enough for pretentious art snobs. Zappa is sort of an existing anomaly in western music culture, meaning many are familiar with- and have even heard his work, but very few still actively listen to it. I remember at 14 showing people his Bobby brown song because its still sort of edgy and seeing their reaction was always fun, similar situations to this(down to the very same song) are the only circumstances I have seen where someone has played his music.
▶ №111239[Quote]>>111240>>111241
>>111037that's because most people don't understand music theory lol, the average person would also get filtered by a godard film
▶ №111240[Quote]>>111247>>111249
>>111239If you have to truly understand the theory behind it to enjoy it then that proves it lacks a natural flow and doesn't stand on its own terms.
▶ №111241[Quote]>>111242
>>111239Also once again is Goddards Filmography anything similar to Holy Motors? I fully admit to never having seen anything he did unless Holy Motors is one of them but I love that movie and it's also supposedly from the French arthouse or whatever so maybe similar? It's nonlinear at least.
▶ №111242[Quote]>>111244
>>111241I've never seen holy motors so I wouldn't know. check out week end
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>>111068>"Zappa is sort of an existing anomaly in western music culture, meaning many are familiar with- and have even heard his work, but very few still actively listen to it."Because it's petulant and childish. It's meant to be outgrown. It's stupid and doesn't work well. Interrupting the songs for stupid fard joke or le ebin guitar solo. Actively preventing any sense of flow or organic motion.
▶ №111244[Quote]>>111246
>>111242Ok so what would you describe the similarities to Goddard to be? Otherwise I'm just gonna assume you're namedropping.
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>>111068Complete lack of emotional resonance doesn't help either. Lacks the things that actually make music appealing tbh.
▶ №111246[Quote]>>111255
>>111244the at times jarring and chaotic transitions and overall "cut up" style
▶ №111247[Quote]>>111254
>>111240>If you have to truly understand the theory behind it to enjoy it then that proves it lacks a natural flow and doesn't stand on its own terms.source?
▶ №111249[Quote]>>111253
>>111240You literally don't, I don't know any music theory and love Zappa
▶ №111253[Quote]>>111257
>>111249Well yeah that's because you're a spastic with no attention span who needs funny meme noises flung in their face every 10 to 20 seconds or they'll lose interest haha.
▶ №111254[Quote]
>>111247Common sense. Having an iq over 60. Most people aren't retarded like you are so they won't feel the need to pretend to like it because he said le epic big words?
▶ №111255[Quote]>>111402
>>111246Oh ok. Yeah I would probably fucking hate him too then ngl. That's my main issue with Zappa.
▶ №111257[Quote]>>111259>>111260
>>111253Listened to 2 of his songs award
▶ №111259[Quote]>>111262
>>111257Listened to several. Is spastic retardbait shit that is intentionally convoluted because he knew his audience was like you are. Probably obsess over nge aswell.
▶ №111260[Quote]>>111261
>>11125790%+ of his discography is like this. I'm sorry I'm not retarded like you are ig.
▶ №111261[Quote]>>111266>>111267
>>111260Nigger you're using zoomer slang
▶ №111262[Quote]>>111266
>>111259NGE is tranime dogshit that "depressed" troons like
▶ №111266[Quote]>>111274
>>111261>>111262Irrelevant+that would make NGE equivalent to Zappa
▶ №111267[Quote]>>111272
>>111261But yeah no. Heard more of Zappas retarded screeching failed comedy bits than you ever have heard anything by CAN,Jimi Hendrix,or Nico. Just projecting there tbh. Zappa is funny screeching music for retarded kids. It's like dubstep of it had Hasbin Hotel sketches or whatever that sort of "humor" is inserted where the "epic wubs" would normally be haha. Given it more of a chance than I should tbh. Nothing of "objective beauty" whatever you'll try to claim.
▶ №111272[Quote]>>111273>>111276
>>111267music about piss is aryan
>Nothing of "objective beauty" whatever you'll try to claim.Have you ever listened to this?
▶ №111273[Quote]>>111277
>>111272Yeah it's retarded haha. You're mentally challenged and can't hold the plot.
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>>111274Forgot to remove the embedded video
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>>111272Literally retarded cringe music for dipshits who think Hasbin Hotel is funny. Not good. Not listening to it again. He did an ok generic backing insutmrnetal once wow that's so impressive haha….
▶ №111278[Quote]>>111281
>>111274It's definitely irrelevant and you are almost definitely a little skibbidi retard but sure. Whatever helps to believe ig.
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Gonna spend my time listening to musicians who could actually write a song or make listenable music instead haha. Knock yourself out though.
▶ №111280[Quote]
>>111277Le heckin cutiparinos ŕight? Wheres the lie haha. It jumps around with your attention span.
▶ №111281[Quote]>>111283
>>111278Geg, just fucking geg
▶ №111282[Quote]>>111284
>>111277You probably smell like piss. Yeah it's pretty fucking funny. You're not in on anything trust me. I can see why you use discord.
▶ №111283[Quote]>>111285
>>111281I don't speak retard but feel free to have a meltdown. I mean that's basically what Frank Zappa was doing on most of his albums more than anything. It's just an extended meltdown prettymuch.
▶ №111284[Quote]>>111286
>>111282Why is your clitty leaking so much right now?
▶ №111285[Quote]>>111287
>>111283You're literally a xitter immigrant GTFO
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>>111284You being a delusional porn addict with a bellow average iq who read to many reddit big boy articles.
▶ №111287[Quote]>>111288
>>111285Never used Twitter. The retard rage is as tangible as it is in Zappas "music" though.
▶ №111288[Quote]>>111289
>>111287You're literally seething so hard right now
▶ №111289[Quote]>>111290
>>111288The only people who listen to Zappa are morbidly obese and retarded. You are not a "real man'for it trust me. You're having a meltdown because everything I said is true. Will continue listening to CAN instead because they're actually good.
▶ №111290[Quote]>>111291>>111293
>>111289The only things you said are that Zappas music is retarded and that it somehow has hazbin hotel humor
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>>111290I said it's inconsistent and doesn't flow naturally which is true. It's also true that the songs randomly break or interrupt themselves at awkward times so they can have those little discord admin gooner comedy sketches. So I can assume most Zappa Fans aren't bright.
▶ №111293[Quote]>>111295
>>111290Meanwhile CAN didn't do this and can actually write a song that isn't just a generic backing instrumental.
▶ №111295[Quote]>>111296>>111298
>>111293Why so obsessed with CAN, it's just some generic rock music with a retard screaming over it
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>>111295Lol ok. Seething and triggered. Sing Swan Song is not something Zappa would be capable of producing. That would be "objective besuty" or whatever. But you've only heard half of a song by CAN from neckbeard memes so fair enough ig. Take care Lil ozempic.
▶ №111298[Quote]>>111299
>>111295I can sense you bashing your keyboard and melting down while typing this
▶ №111300[Quote]>>111301
>>111299No but I know that's one of your special little pre programmed words and that if I don't go along with it you might start hurting yourself. It's just classical music for neckbeards.
▶ №111301[Quote]>>111302>>111303>>111304
>>111300Common, leak your clitty a little more wouldya?
▶ №111302[Quote]>>111307
>>111299How's your sex life? Not well since you're pretending to like Zappa so aggressive I take it? Big Boy Gigachad over here with the never worked a day in his life funny meme dialog options.
>>111301 ▶ №111306[Quote]
You're literally melting down because I pointed out the obvious. None of these songs are consistent or transition naturally or have like basic musical notions of that sort. You can continue spazzing out but it won't make your life any less sad and castrated.
▶ №111307[Quote]>>111309>>111310
>>111302>his only argument is calling me a neckbeard incelI think this might just be the common internet troon
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>>111307My argument is that it lacks any sort of natural pacing or presentation which is true. It's just a mangled mess of bullshit that goes nowhere. You can continue sharing fun facts about your inceldom or accept this is objectively true. He made funny screaming noises for retards like you.
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>>111307Lacks a sense of flow or pacing. Constantly interrupts itself for le epic silly helluva boss gooner skits,frank Zappa himself is a shrill obnoxious incel who wouldn't shut the fuck up and interrupts himself every song when anything actually even gets going. Yeah it's fucking bad. I don't doubt it appeals deeply to you in particular either.
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You're gonna move the goal posts again and try to act like this isn't true or deflect but it's a funny screaming noise album for retards. You are the same as people who say they like hyperpop. You can't tell it doesn't flow naturally or "work" because you're heads screwed on backwards. Literally interrupts the songs to give his little discord spastic rants ruining any real sense of pacing or mood setting.
▶ №111312[Quote]>>111313>>111315
The pacing is literally mostly fine, outside of Joes Garage there aren't many jokes breaking up the songs
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>>111312That's because you lack an internal sense of it haha. The pacing on Inca roads is fucked to dogshit aswell. Basically all his music has this feature other than the generic boring instrumentals that don't go anywhere. Nice attempt though. No his other stuff doesn't show amazing pacing either though. Basically started on Absolutely free.
▶ №111314[Quote]>>111316
When you listen to an album like Apostrophe for example the songs don't have any abrupt breaks in them and flow together very well
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>>111312Even most of Freak Out! still had problems with this just too a lesser extent. Which is why in practice you're the target demographic for it. You can't sit still for something that is well paced. Nobody thinks you're a based macho badass for this either. It's sad retard behavior for "dudes" who have never worked. Take your fucking dude wipes with you.
▶ №111316[Quote]>>111318
>>111314Apostrophe is same thing more generic bland incelshit. Literally any major artist from the early 70s could have written watermelon in Eastern hay and probably done it better.
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He wasn't able to make anything memorable or even engaging without going epic chungus mode,therefore he was actually pretty bad.
▶ №111318[Quote]>>111319>>111320
>>111316Apostrophe is definitely not "generic", if you don't like it then you don't like it, simple as that
▶ №111319[Quote]>>111321
>>111318Yeah it actually is. It's generic tier backing instrumentals that could practically be elevator music. You just know nothing about music from the period and "liking" Zappa makes you feel better so you assume it's special.
▶ №111320[Quote]>>111322>>111325
>>111318I love how much quiter your tone got btw haha,reality of your existence set in I'm guessing?
▶ №111321[Quote]>>111323
>>111319Please send other generic stuff like it, I'd love to hear it
▶ №111322[Quote]>>111324>>111326>>111332
>>111320I'm trying to have an actual conversation with you
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>>111321Literally just every 70s hard rock instrumental. Show something that doesn't use that generic lame ass guitar tone. Pink Floyd though. He was copying Floyd on this for sure though. But ofc you'll deny that since Zappa makes you feel included. Keep the polite tone you just adopted though bitch boy. Some of us work actual jobs haha.
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>>111322No you're not you went bitch mode because you couldn't talk over me and I have a fairly accurate model of what you act like.
▶ №111325[Quote]>>111327
>>111320I live a good life, I'm 6 foot and 80 kilos, I regularly go outside and enjoy media that I like
▶ №111326[Quote]>>111328
>>111322Every other Ted Nudgent Album mixed with Pink Floyd both of which did it substantially better. There is literally nothing unique about it. It's the most generic slab of early 70s space rock he could muster. It's less retarded and spastic than almost all his other work but doesn't go anywhere or do anything. It's just not that interesting.
▶ №111328[Quote]>>111336
>>111326Take st. Alfonzos pancake breakfest, I've never heard a song anything like it.
▶ №111329[Quote]>>111332
I think his mommy made him go to bed now
▶ №111330[Quote]>>111332>>111337
Well, that was some good PPH boosting. Bye chudbros
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>>111330>>111329>>111322Every other Ted Nudgent Album mixed with Pink Floyd both of which did it substantially better. There is literally nothing unique about it. It's the most generic slab of early 70s space rock he could muster. It's less retarded and spastic than almost all his other work but doesn't go anywhere or do anything. It's just not that interesting.
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Lol that you thought you had a second and immediately went back to being a snide little bitch tbh. Bro rally thought he had a point with all of this. Also how many people who are Zappa Fans are actually financially independant? Couldn't be many.
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No I was talking with my ex/on again off again about some money that didn't go through. I'm still working moving but I found a slightly different car wash but they're willing to give me full time hours basically. She said she'd pay me for helping clean up her shit but she got the money off family so now there's issues with it incoming. Hopefully be able to get out there. Worst case scenario could just thug that shit out but yk when you're working that type of manual labour job in the heat it'd like food and water are your major expenses so yk. She's moving into a different apartment so yk but she keeps her place a mess and like I wasn't staying there. She's a sweetheart a lot of the time though. It's just hard with this or that is really what it is.
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>>111328Sounds like it's either gonna be a Grateful Dead or JA knockoff but I don't doubt you personally haven't. I've given him enough chances though and I am tense tbh but not about you guys as much as my cash so it's kinda not what I want right now is that sort of cut up whatever. Something I can ride out ig. Listening to Dead right now maybe Mountain Bus later or some CAN idfk.
▶ №111337[Quote]>>111344
>>111330>"pph posting ☝️🤓">"chud bros ☝️🤓"Why is it always the people who have the least to offer on the free market and require the most medications being obsessed with Zappa? Can't imagine he'd approve of your pornography addiction either given that his issue was more with the black market and the morality of that with narcotics than actual substance use. Otherwise he wouldn't have been smoking like 10 packs a day or whatever.
▶ №111338[Quote]>>111340>>111342
Ts is not tuff ong🥀🥀🥀🥀😭😭😭😭
▶ №111339[Quote]
Also you notice pain less when you're drunk and you're more likely to get angry/violent and less likely to think about consequences. So maybe he assumed the hippies would be a "more effective" revolutionary force if they were drunk instead of high and tripping. Also what was socially acceptable in the 60s and 70s. Harder to penalize. Probably realized his audience wasn't very smart and could be easily molded to do what he wanted while CAN Fans were harder for CAN themselves to direct or control like that haha. Idk if he himself was dumb though. Think he just got pigeonholed into it. Still not very good music though. I just heavily assume the drug thing was social engineering. Yk less sad and introspective more flippant maybe.
▶ №111340[Quote]>>111346
>>111338Yeah ok Lil bro. Lmk how being a virgin in your 40s continues going. Nobody believes you btw.
▶ №111342[Quote]>>111343
>>111338Extremely tough what I said not at all tough the fake ebin based gigachad story. Listening to The Desd right now as we speak btw.
▶ №111343[Quote]>>111345
>>111342What fake gigachad story? Stop being an obsessed nigger
▶ №111345[Quote]>>111349
>>111343Haha ok. Most spastic response imaginable ngl. That whole thing about how you're a 6'8 hype of borian who emerged from the woods singing frank zappa songs. Meanwhile my mom is actually German,borders on socialist,raised me listening to CAN and Nico.
▶ №111346[Quote]>>111350
>>111340You're seething at a literal teen here btw
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>>111344Actually fair point maybe first you've made.
▶ №111349[Quote]>>111351
>>111345I never said any of this, take your meds
▶ №111350[Quote]>>111352
>>111346You'll be morbidly obeese and still have never had a job by my age btw haha. Better lose the superiority complex before that's the reality then?
▶ №111352[Quote]>>111358
>>111350Why would I have a superiority complex exactly?
▶ №111353[Quote]>>111354>>111356
>>111351I literally am this, keep coping with being a pathetic little soycvck who leaks his clitty at Zappa fans
▶ №111354[Quote]>>111355
>>111353You're definitely not haha. Ok I guess. Zappa still random retarded shit though. No natural sense of flow or eb to it. That's why people don't care about him anymore (4chan users not counted).
▶ №111355[Quote]>>111357
>>111354How can you not comprehend that I am an average person? That's kinda crazy tbh
▶ №111356[Quote]
>>111353Bro went back to retard speak haha. Go back to being the submissive here. It's not working. You're not even employable much less in shape. Make the lies less obvious next time? Anyway CAN and The Velvet Underground could write actual songs. Zappa Couldn't. Zappa Fans "in real life" simply don't exist because they don't leave their houses.
▶ №111357[Quote]>>111359
>>111355You're not describing an average person. But no I can't believe that either haha.
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>>111352Lack of self awareness. Same way you can't understand music or normal human emotional expression so try to seem superior with funny retard meme albums.
▶ №111359[Quote]>>111361>>111364
>>111357I don't know man, the problem seems to be with you here. I am a healthy weight, partake in physical activity and enjoy myself, I think you may have some problems with your life.
▶ №111360[Quote]>>111362
Unless you're actually from irl hyperboria like Sweden or Finland or some shit you are not 6'8 woodsman prog nerd Zappa enjoyer. I'm not claiming to be either. If you believe that'd the average person then that confirms you're not going outside. If you were actually from Germany or into Nordic you'd have substantially more broken English. This would be a very different conversation. They also don't have rhe same gender norms or anything. You're like from the Midwest maybe at most probably morelike the south I'm guessing. No you are not a hyperborian gigachad. This is clearly you lying.
▶ №111361[Quote]>>111363
>>111359Haha,no you're not. I don't believe it. You give off angry fat retard energy too strongly simply put. You can keep repeating that to me over and over again though. You clearly don't go outside based on your description of what the average person looks like either. Sure dude. Whatever.
▶ №111362[Quote]>>111366
>>111360I'm slavic, still don't why being happy is so incomprehensible to you
▶ №111363[Quote]>>111365
>>111361Dunno man, aside from my height that's pretty basic shit
▶ №111364[Quote]>>111368
>>111359>"I think you may have some problems with your life"No I'm employable unlike you. Bro really thought he cooked though. If you go outside more you will realize the average American is nor 6'8 jacked and lives in the woods. You're describing someone who doesn't like live in America probably. You don't go outside at all.
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>>111363You don't take care of yourself either though. You listen to frank Zappa. I get this larp is like fulfilling or whatever to you but you don't.
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>>111362Oh ok yeah that makes more sense then. My bad. Really fucking good English for an eastern euro though.
▶ №111367[Quote]>>111369
So anyway Zappa still sucks ass. All the distractions in the world wont give those songs a sense of flow or pacing like CAN or TVU or Hendrix had or remotely interesting songwriting beyond dumb gimmicks.
▶ №111368[Quote]>>111370
>>111364I am NOT 6 foot eight, I am 6 foot. Nor am I jacked, but I do take long walks in the forest every day
▶ №111369[Quote]>>111371
>>111367Sure man. I'll still listen to him even if it is retard music
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>>111368Oh ok that's also more plausible. I take a lot of long walks too ig. Idk though bro still doesn't negate that Zappa sounds like dogshit though. That's why people actually remember The Dead. Good music.
▶ №111371[Quote]>>111372
>>111369Fair enough but doesnt make it any less janky or jaring. I like black metal too. I like a lot of less conventional shit. But it needs some sense of mood and tone least moreso than Zappa generally has. I like Country Joe and The Fish aswell.
▶ №111372[Quote]>>111375
>>111371Pretty cool band.
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Literally any sense of songwriting or placement or pacing would have helped Zappa a lot. I think that's kinda hard to argue otherwise.
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Thats like most of what sets me off or whatever about his work. If he was just conservative or whatever without it feeling like I might as well be listening to sigma phonk it would be less of an issue. I like Magma and Vander was yk. But he could write a coherent piece.
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>>111372Fair yeah. Idk man.
▶ №111390[Quote]>>111392>>111410
obsessed nicostone o algo
▶ №111392[Quote]
>>111390Lmk how you feel after you stop being a virgin with rage? The songs simply don't work haha.
▶ №111402[Quote]>>111406>>111408>>111409
>>111255yeah no shit, that's because you're a tastelet who gets filtered by anything unconventional
▶ №111406[Quote]>>111414
>>111402It's retardbait shit haha. Nah you're describing yourself probably. Listen to horror synth listen to classical you like forced quickness and funny screeching. It's that my taste are above you morelike.
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>>111402Retard who spazzes out when he heard CAN but likes the funny shedding and farrding reddit rant meme shit makes him le sophisticated. Here it fucking comes. No it's that you're retarded to the point where you can't focus on more complex long form stuff.
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>>111402You like stuff that makes you feel less sped even if it's lol random to the extent of basically being pointless. That's literally all it is. You're not too bright so you'll never realize that yourself though. But you're just larping.
▶ №111410[Quote]>>111411>>111412
>>111390Who the hell are these posters, their writting style is so similar across boards and websites (they are also on the 4cuck /mu/)
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>>111410Retards like most Zappa Fans. Bro thinks he's soooo smart lol. Le you can't handle it it's le non conventional meanwhile it's just poorly put together shitty "comedy" music. You want something "nonconventional" can have it still be actually good. Like Milton Babbit or Claude Vivier for instance. Or most Horror Synth. It works internally consistently.
▶ №111412[Quote]>>111430
>>111410They spew out words at random because they think that makes them seem smart. Nonconventional= Good because I smell bad and am sort of retarded so the "nonconventional" part is gonna be like that as opposed to yk actually good or interesting or challenging. Thus the can hate and jimi hate and vu hate. It's a larp as what they think a "big boy" would like.
▶ №111414[Quote]>>111471>>111473
>>111406>funny screechinghuh? I don't like CAN
▶ №111430[Quote]>>111472>>111474
>>111412Nigger is literally schizoing out
▶ №111471[Quote]
>>111414No because you're too retarded to follow something long form with structure. That's why you like Frank Zappa. Because you're a spastic with a low iq.
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>>111430You talk like you're retarded or something.
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>>111414CAN would be an example of something nonconventional that has actual structure or melody. Frank Zappa would not. I understand you're just gonna spazz out and declare yourself the "winner" either way though. Have fun with that. Have fun never finding a job too lmao,but nobody in real life treats Zappa or Beefheart very seriously.
▶ №111474[Quote]>>112219
>>111430It's screeching tard noise. It's more schizo that you find structure in it lol. But everyone else can see that and you can't probably. CAN is good. They could actually write good songs. Zappa couldn't. Simple as. Imagine being sp sped that you like Homestuck and Frank Zappa.
▶ №111477[Quote]>>112095>>112140
But yeah you're probably literally retarded. We know you don't listen to CAN bro dw haha. We know you've never had a job either.
https://youtu.be/uRazRXW4n0A?si=oCc0Exc_i4YUl0Oyhttps://youtu.be/3VmM8qRRLwU?si=IszIGQAhq9npMY1Rhttps://youtu.be/VhhEk89XHN0?si=q0hOVZhh2jZQ1HZKLiterally some of the most "objectively beautiful" music ever written. Same with The Dead and Hendrix and Love and Funkadelic. Bands that you all seem to hate. Your loss though. I know none of you have the actual attention span for it.
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Both of you are stupid. Frank Zappa new much more about how to compose music thats complex. You enjoy CAN because that's your opinion. Just because you dont enjoy Zappa's music doesnt mean it's retarded music. If you're so jobless and idiotic to be arguing about this endlessly then you need some serious mental help. Zappa's compositions are more experimental, more important, more fun, and alot more difficult. The Black Page #1 is one of the most (if not the) most difficult pieces of music ever written. Zappa's Hot Rats is a prime example of how he can take complex weirdness and comedy and mix it with genuinely interesting compositions that can be enjoyed by anyone. Hell, even fucking Fantano of all people called it a masterpiece. And as for Beefheart's music. He was a visionary, if you dont like the vision dont look. Yet there's still no denying Trout Mask Replica was inducted into the Library of Congress alongside "Take Me Out To The Ball Game"
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He was undoubtedly a visionary musical genius. Whether or not you think his music is good is a matter of subjective preference.
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>>111477WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OM WJAT WPOR;LD CNA UISIOC BE CATEGORAIZED AQS "OBJECITVELY BEUAITUFL" YOU FUCKING RETARD???!?!? CAN DON;T EVEN MAKJE GOOD MUSIC FRO M THE STADPOINT OF MUSIC THEOAYRY WITHICH IS THE ONLY MEANS OF MAKING SENSE OF MUSIC IN ANYTHIGN RESEMBLIGN AND 'OBJECTIVE' SENSE!!!!!!!!! ZAPPA
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>so many Zappa haters
xlud thinks nicotranny is multiple people
▶ №112140[Quote]>>112251>>113507
>>111477Grateful Dead are massively overrated, NicoTroon. Best band is, was and always will be Oasis.
▶ №112202[Quote]>>112895
Best thread on the site..
▶ №112219[Quote]>>112251
>>111474Ohnononononono, he doesn't even know what I'm talking about. It's that you make shit up about people who disagree with you, I absolutely LOVE Jimi Hendrix.
▶ №112251[Quote]>>112283
>>112140Interesting form of self master bastion!
>>112219Ok ig
▶ №112283[Quote]>>112517>>112518
>>112251how does it feel being too retarded to understand dream theater?
▶ №112285[Quote]>>112520
They're coming to take me away he he ha ha ho ho to the funny farm
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VALLEY GIRL.. SHE'S A VALLEY GIRL
OK FINE FUR SURE FUR SURE
SHE'S A VALLEY GIRL
AND SHE LOOKS SO PURE
LIKE OH MUY GAWD
GAG ME WITH A SPOON
I'M SO SURREEEEEE
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>>112283Bizzare given that I've rarely met a non retarded person who claimed to enjoy or understand dreamt heater. I think you might be the one with something wrong with you there Lil bropachiohio.
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>>112283I understand it fine it just (like zappa) lacks any real defined sense of tone structure or pacing. It's poorly written. You just like jacking off to the technical aspect because the concept of art isn't really comparable to you.
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>>112285That's Napoleon XIV who tbh wasn't nearly as bad and should have put out more. Kinda like him.
▶ №112522[Quote]>>112534
Imagine believing that 90% of the dreamtheater fanbase wasn't visibly retarded. Literally music for bronie couples haha. Listen to Loccanda Delle Fate and Picchio dal Pozzo. Those are some prog bands with some actual songwriting and personality aswell.
▶ №112534[Quote]>>112560>>112561
>>112522>Listen to Loccanda Delle Fate and Picchio dal Pozzo.just did, they're shit. simplistic generic outdated bullshit, why listen to stuff like this when dream theater, periphery, and animals as leaders exist
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>>112534Bro said cgrrr this doesn't sound like retarded soulless djent shit grrrr this needs to be more accessible to people who watch anime grrrr" and expected me to take it seriously. 90s Prog is balls. Sorry you're not a sigma.
▶ №112561[Quote]>>112602
>>112534Bro really willingly told me he listened to Periphery kek. Holy fuck is that sad. Yeah I can kind of figure out what's wrong with you now lol. Le big smart very mature fedora gentleman. Ok.
▶ №112602[Quote]>>112858>>112859>>112860
>>112561suck my dick motherfucker, at least I'm not to retarded to understand zappa and chainsaw man
▶ №112666[Quote]>>112835>>112896
The eternal struggle between Zappa-Niggers and Zappa-Hating Niggers
▶ №112858[Quote]>>112884
>>112602You're literally retarded. Being a Dreamthester fan just means you're too special to understand structure or songwriting haha. Sorry reality just hit there. Get fucked.
▶ №112859[Quote]>>112884
>>112602>too retarded to understand chainsaw manIt's le sad retard show about why women no like when I stick my penor in their food or whatever. You have to be at least slightly retarded to genuinely enjoy it. It's goonerbait shit with no depth. You're describing yourself with increasing aggression. You're too retarded to even form a full sentence without the ai helping you. Absolutely delusional. Both Chainsaw Man and Zappa appeal to gomeless tasteless retards who smell like their own piss and shit. That is both you and who you are representing. Conversation ended. It's mostly sad that the internet allowed you to become this delusional.
▶ №112860[Quote]>>112884
>>112602>"suck my dick motherfucker" Spastic meltdown. You will 1000% end up killing yourself due to "male lonliness" and probably watch Thomas The Tank Engine as a grown man. That's what these "interests" tell me.
▶ №112884[Quote]>>112893
>>112859>>112858>>112860more pathetic cope, what a surprise. sorry that zappa and chainsaw man goes over your head so hard I guess
▶ №112885[Quote]
>>112835The eternal struggle between Zappa-African-Americans and Zappa-Hating African-Americans
▶ №112893[Quote]>>112897
>>112884Lmao ok. You just can't follow complex shit which is fine. Chainsaw Man is for retards.
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>>112202worst thread doebeit
▶ №112896[Quote]>>112899
>>112666I think one person talking with xherself
▶ №112897[Quote]>>112913>>112915
>>112893you literally get filtered by zappa so don't come at me saying I can't follow complex shit lol. chainsaw man is more complex than CAN ever was
▶ №112899[Quote]>>112913
>>112896Least schizo Zappa fan
▶ №112913[Quote]>>112986
>>112897Tard rage screeching haha. Literally nonsensical.
>>112899Lol this
▶ №112915[Quote]>>112986
>>112897You can't. You're so sped that you think you're epic denji.
▶ №113066[Quote]>>113108
>>112986Lmao ok. Lmk when you can shower regularly and take care of yourself and shit. I'm just waking up for work. You're probably fast asleep.
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>>112986Big Zappa Smart Boy using his edgy words when he can't even hold a cohesive thought.
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>>112986I know this is third reply but I love the way the logic flips around from you being a based epic Zappa gigachad (something that doesn't exist because a based and epic gigachad will never be forced to pretend to get joy out of Zappas random senseless meltdowns) and what you're presumably like in real life which is a shriveling dweeb with negative iq unaware of your own mental state and desperate for the slightest crumb of attention,i.e. the behaviors that actually force you to feign enjoyment of this senseless mess.
▶ №113108[Quote]>>113123
>>113066we live in different time zones genius
▶ №113123[Quote]>>113203
>>113108I like how you didn't refute the actual thesis of what I said and instead got stuck on an extremely minor error of zero consequence. No wonder you like Zappa.
▶ №113132[Quote]>>113170
don't even know what this thread is about anymore but I like song OP posted
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>>113132A schizo from 4cuck /mu/ seething about the song on the OP
▶ №113355[Quote]>>113500
>>113203You can't refute it because it's true haha. Seethe more ig.
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>>113490Thoughts on Zappa's favorite albums in 1975?
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/frank-zappa-10-favourite-records/
>Supernaut – Black Sabbath
>After The Gold Rush – Neil Young
>Between the Buttons – The Rolling Stones
>Abbey Road – The Beatles
>Muddy Waters Sings ‘Big Bill’ – Muddy Waters
>The Devils of Loudon – Krzysztof Penderecki
>The Complete Works of Edgard Varese Vol. 1 – Edgard Varese
>Three Hours Past Midnight – Johnny ‘Guitar’ Watson
>The Story Of My Life – Guitar Slim
>Who Will Be Next? – Howlin’ Wolf ▶ №113500[Quote]>>113501>>113502>>113504
>>113355I already refuted it 10 times in this thread genius
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>>113500Not successfully no. You think you did and that you're an epic Lil bro pogchamp sigma winner of da internets,but reality basically confirms this. You made up some weird story about having a public outburst at a lady wearing a CAN shirt I remember that,but clearly not that many people under 50 are actually listening to Captian Retard or Frank Zappa.
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>>113500I never ran into any Zappa shirts canvassing haha. Never known anybody on a job site who liked Zappa either. You run onto them on soyjack dot party because they're not going out. They're living in assisted living facilities or they're making the money off dogecoin or some shit. It's a cope for people who can't interact in society so they can feel smarter. I've met other people who like CAN or Magma in real life and Hendrix though. Those are actually functional humans.
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>>113500You're like weirdo terminally online logic about him being a gigachad isn't reality. The thing where the vast majority of people who listen to him are like fnaf or undertale types is. The part where you run into them more on sights like this than in real life probably is. If CAN shirt lady is real you were probably actually harassing her sexually. Like let's be super realistic here. No. You didn't. You sketched at it and did your little fit throwing but it's true.
▶ №113505[Quote]
Two people I've ever met who liked Zappa who seemed like genuinely competent. Meanwhile every CAN or Magma fan or Jimi Hendrix fan I've ever met is actually capable of being left alone. Most Zappa Fans and Beefheart Fans are definitely gonna be in some type of assisted living or making some negligible amount of money on game programing or bitcoin. Reality shows this. Reality you see that the vast majority of Zappa Fans aren't working. A couple are but they're the exception. The rule is that they're at home playing train simulator and live on disability checks. They're not gigachads,they don't have sex. They might be running tiktok furry accounts or something too ig. That seems like it would be a target demographic for Bochi Guru and the ebin trout mask of Doom aswell,but like with Habsin Hotel or Heluva Boss that's mostly who were talking about. You're gonna see a lot more Trout Mask Replica Fans at a hobby shop or brony con than any other "real life setting" and that's because not all ofc not all but most Zappa or beefheart fans really are like that. Plenty of Beatles Fans too but they're way more popular so yk normies also like them. But there aren't really that many normies who could even tell you who Zappa is. Most Magma Fans or CAN or Jimi Hendrix Fans on the oherhand (yeah the bands I like not the ones you like) actually work and are contributing members of society. The average Uncle Meat or Ohio Mask Mental Disability Fanboy can't real do that.
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Frank Zappa was probably mentally disabled from early chemical exposure. People in the 60s weren't really very socially progressive or had a concept of political Correctness. Just like Beefheart I imagine the initial audience was oftentimes laughing more at him than with. Hence his target fanbase not having shared his views on virtually anything. But like the number of CAN Fans who have jobs or do anything or Jimi Hendrix is obviously gonna be higher. And ofc Zappa Fans aren't doing many drugs because they probably don't have a cash flow. I imagine Beefheart Fans aren't either. So trust me,selling me that idea isn't the point you think it is. Like yeah I imagine if you spend your entire life in like mental hospitals and whatever disability assisted living they're probably not letting you do a lot of that. The average not all but average Zappa fan is likely the same type of guy you'll see at a hobby shop or one of those competitive gaming places. You can squirm around about muh capitalism but I think it's ironically safe to assume the average Krautrock Fan is more capable of taking part in it.
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>>112140Also I agree they're overrated tbh but I still enjoy them. They were never my favorite band of all time and I got into both Southern Rock and also CAN extensively before I really had any interest in them. They're not bad though. Definitely dated but some neat ideas in terms of presentation. I would say Jefferson Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger Service are both better but Warf Rat and I know you Rider are cool and Looks like Rain.
▶ №113508[Quote]>>113538
You wouldn't be able to have capitalism in a society run by people like Frank Zappa or Captain Beefheart haha. They're not capable of truly producing value. The value is simply the mockery of them. I know epic rare funko noys love them but epic rare funko boys are the same type of person as Zappa was and wouldn't be able to sustaine it either. You'll never see a guy who looks like the average Zappa fanboy in an actual board meeting. They're simply not valuable. So in the same way I know most anime fans support le capitalism it's just kinda sad and funny. Like sure thing Chris Chan. Let's see how that works out for you.
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Just a little reality check for you there though. I'm sure you'll still believe you could because that fact is too painful for you.
▶ №113538[Quote]>>113631>>113632>>113645
>>113508how did he sell so many albums then dipshit?
▶ №113631[Quote]>>113645>>113662
>>113538EpIc lIttle pogchamps lIke you probably. Also notIce how almost nobody cares about hIm anymore except for you defects. That's lIke yk haha. Yeah.
▶ №113632[Quote]>>113645>>113653
>>113538He was lIterally a funny retard. It's not that deep.
▶ №113653[Quote]>>113663>>113664
>>113632so you admit that he was funny at least, right? it takes a lot more skill to be funny than you think, especially in a medium like music. but of course you're too retarded to understand that…
▶ №113662[Quote]>>113665
>>113631I'm not gonna be that deep in this debate but all I'm gonna say is the argument that good music is the one most people care or remember is not really a good argument in the goodness of that artist.
▶ №113663[Quote]>>113666
>>113653Uhhh not really no. I mean at his expense maybe but it was verymuch the type of humor people liked in the 60s. I'm not retarded like you are so I don't actually find le ebin muffin mam or yellow snow funny though no. I'm assuming you do which is yk,a resulted of you being effective prettymuch ngl.
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>>113653>It takes a lot more skill No I think he was a spastic and that he made jokes for proto discord admins haha. I believe you believe this was a gottem moment but the "humor" is probably the most offputting part overall.
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>>113662That made no sense. I'm glad you didn't try too because holy shit I can see why you like Zappa now. I was on the money with the mental retardation haha. Knew nobody normal would like this crap. Unlistenable random access dogshit.
▶ №113666[Quote]>>113668>>113670
>>113663most people find it funny though, can you at least admit that? there's gotta be some reason why he's so successful, not every single one of the millions of people who bought his records fits the strawman that you bust out every thread
▶ №113667[Quote]>>113669
It's a comedy in the way Adam Sandler is. It's comedic in intent. I do not personally find this funny no. Your half-assed attempts at finding admission when you could eventually come to the conclusion that rhe person your projecting outward is just yourself. Unironically both CAN and Jimi Hendrix aswell as Lou Reed were way way more clever lyricists. Nothing Frank Zappa said wad actually ever funny whatsoever tbh. He was like painful to listen to.
▶ №113668[Quote]
>>113666No they actually don't. It's mostly just spastics like yourself. Most people would say it's obnoxious godawful dogshit and have also never heard of Franm Zappa at all to begin with. I appreciate the intensity to which you are delusional about your station in life though. Imagine having the confidence to say this unironically lol. Most people are probably mocking you out more than you're aware would be my best guess. Other epic chunguses at the hobby shop don't count.
▶ №113669[Quote]>>113671>>113673
>>113667damo suzuki is a clever lyricist now? his "lyrics" were literally just stupid gibberish and random screeching lol, what the fuck are you on? jimi hendrix's lyrics are fake deep shit for 13 year olds and lou reed was just a shittier version of dylan, most of zappa's lyrics were not serious but they unironically mog everyone you just listed lol
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>>113666There's nothing to admit. You're just kind of a spastic retard. It's like telling me I "have to admit" harem anime is funny or whatever and it's basically that level of humor. Most people at most laugh along because they know you're incapable of having normal social interactions or a sex life and feel bad for you probably. Liking Frank Zappa this much more or less marks you as a sad retard to maybe 90% of people. There are relatively normal Zappa fanboys but it's a lot lot less.
▶ №113671[Quote]>>113672
>>113669I mean you've never actually listened to CAN to any depth so you don't know haha. I gotta go to bed I gotta work tomorrow. I'll explain tomorrow maybe probably. But if I don't disengage myself I won't get to work.
▶ №113672[Quote]>>113675
>>113671convenient that you have to go to bed right after making the most insane claim of your life lol
▶ №113673[Quote]>>113674
>>113669his "lyrics" were literally just stupid gibberish and random screeching lol, what the fuck are you on?
It's really not at all. A lot of it is about philosophy,religion,and self actualization. Admittedly they aren't all deep meditations though. Damo Suzaki did indeed enjoy getting drunk and kinda drunkenly blabbing to himself not unlike the ccr singer which I think might have been what he was going for. But there are some much more in depth themes on certain tracks. Lot of stuff that could just be interpreted as being about doing or selling drugs though. Really depends on the track and which album etc. Some of his lyrical content is actually very meditative and introspective though. Some of it seems to be by the main band but some by demo for sure aswell. But like I said if I don't hang up at this point I'll probably end up missing work so I'm gonna leave this for tomorrow.
▶ №113674[Quote]>>113676>>113677
>>113673his lyrics have zero substance to them lol, I've read all of his lyrics and they're all the same shit. I bet you'd think michael gira is a genius lyricist too, he's just saying random bullshit but retards like you will always find a way to spin it into because "actually freakin deep". fuck off with that.
▶ №113675[Quote]
>>113672Yeah that would be because you can't understand that I guess haha. But no I'm in NY standard time and it's almost 1am. If I don't go to bed soon I might miss work. But I can engage this more tomorrow. It's just fucking late man yk. Anyway I explain what I meant in the above paragraph. You're right that some of it is completely random and some of it is basically 70s pusher man shit but there are religious,spiritual,and philosophical themes aswell as a poeticism in there if you look. Demos main sell is his vocal style and the instrumentals are the main focus though I won't pretend they were a super super lyrical band. But I would unironically say he was a better lyricist when he put the effort into it yeah.
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>>113674I would say this is more of an accurate critique of Hendrix who like you said had a awful lot of songs which are about sex or random fantasy bullshit muchlike led zepplin did. Hendrix is mostly about the instrumentals aswell tbf. Anyway yeah I work tomorrow. I'm already tired man. But just read what I said respond to that I guess and I'll let you know what I'm thinking in the morning.
▶ №113677[Quote]>>113715
>>113674>"random bullshit but retards like you will always find a way to spin it into because "actually freakin deep". fuck off with that."The projection and lack of self awareness are kino. Like Muffin Man is about anything haha. Paperhouse is about the human conscious and actualization. Actually weirdly ayn Rand adjacent for a band who were so obsessed with communism. Future Days is unironically about Marxist Idealism. Basically yk trying to move towards a more egalitarian yet practical civilization. Sing Swan Song is like a romantic number. Several themes from eastern spirituality too under Damo. You just lack critical analysis.
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Like I said though I gotta work tomorrow. Take care though. Don't let the ohio gurus skibbidi bop bop yes yes you. Bochi and Gus will know it too. I think that's what Zappa said right? Very serious stuff….
▶ №113680[Quote]
Also funkadelic has similar humor and an overemphasis on guitar solos and I like them. I feel like I like their solos more than Zappa though. Big fan of Hazel.
▶ №113715[Quote]>>113717>>113720>>113723>>113725
>>113677>Paperhouse is about the human conscious and actualizationlol wut? are you smoking crack or some shit? I'm reading the lyrics right now and they're basically gibberish
▶ №113716[Quote]>>113719
Can Mods just nvke the thread? This shit getting boring.
▶ №113717[Quote]
>>113715You're just assmad because you have bo meaningful way to refute it. Re read the lyrics. If you know what he's saying it's actually very powerful.
▶ №113719[Quote]>>113796
>>113716Meltdown because you didn't "win"? Makes sense.
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>>113715You can be anywhere with your mind flying paperhouse way back over time. It's the eternal and indomitable power of the human spirit.
▶ №113723[Quote]>>113731
>>113715Oh Yeah is just Jibberish and the lyrics to some songs are basically just about how Damo sells drugs so it really depends though. The main selling point was never lyrical content but Damo could be impactful when he wanted which Paperhouse more than proves. Sing Swan Song pretty strong lyrically also.
▶ №113725[Quote]>>113731
>>113715I can see why you thought that but no it's about philosophy.
▶ №113731[Quote]>>113734>>113735
>>113723>>113725I call bullshit, the lyrics on sing swan song are nonsense too
▶ №113734[Quote]>>113736
>>113731You're too retarded to explain how or why you're doing that. They clearly fit thematically with the piece. But regardless you seem kinda mentally challenged to begin with. There's your issue processing CAN lol. No it's definitely about philosophy and concept. I'm part German so I know exactly what they're referencing. It's the Id and the will.
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>>113731The lyrics on Sing Swan Song are about trying to finesse the fine shyts haha. He's serenading them. Once again older cultural themes just this time more mideval.
▶ №113736[Quote]>>113739>>113740
>>113734yeah they fit thematically because random bullshit goes with random bullshit, damo's aimless ramblings are basically to language what the rest of the band's random noise is to music
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>>113736Yeah ok. Who told you this set of pre programmed phrase? Really funny from a guy retarded enough to pretend to enjoy Zappa haha.
▶ №113740[Quote]>>113745
>>113736Because I know you didn't come to these conclusions yourself. You got them from memes right?
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Both Paperhouse and Sing Swan Song are both still more melodic and competently put together than anything by Zappa lol. Ebin Dreamthester ahh ahh.
▶ №113742[Quote]
Still literally no concept of songwriting still Zappa retardedly mumbling to himself over actual random bullshit. Delusional ahh projection otherwise.
▶ №113745[Quote]>>113752>>113754
>>113740no I came to those conclusions myself, I've listened to every can song and I read all of their lyrics just to know for sure if my anti can stance is correct, turns out it is
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>>113745I strongly doubt it but sure haha
▶ №113753[Quote]
Rush at the carwsh though ttyl
▶ №113754[Quote]
>>113745>>113745Sing Swan Song is pretty heavily structured and very clearly mideval influenced same with Tango Whiskeyman and Deadlock. I would say I'm too Lesse aswell.
▶ №113755[Quote]>>113757
Spoon and Mushroom head use like an rnb rhythm as the central structure and then Paperhouse is basically a pretty standard rock ballad,for as experimental as their slated as not really any less so then free bird or like at least white room.
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So based on this I'm very skeptical of how much CAN you've heard.
▶ №113757[Quote]>>113758>>113760
>>113755you're right, but you can't give them credit for those songs because they stole every actual musical idea from black musicians, their only contributions were pasting random noise and gibberish on top of all of that
▶ №113758[Quote]>>113759
>>113757The other songs I named are based on like middlander shit and you never specified anything about originality. Retarded side hill where I also know for a fact you looked these up in the last ten minutes or so. So no. I'm not really required to take your opinion seriously. Have fun believei whatever you want though. Still counts as a overarching structure. Give Me Coffee or Tea also sounds like its based on more mideval writing.
▶ №113759[Quote]>>113762>>113763
>>113758I didn't look anything up in the last ten minutes, fuck you, like I said I've listened to every CAN song and read all of their lyrics
▶ №113760[Quote]>>113764
>>113757That's bullshit aswell but yk,what I said still invalidates what you were saying earlier. So you're basically admitting you're full of shit and were either to retarded to pick up on the overarching structure or you haven't actually listened to them. Either way invalidates your overarching argument,and clearly they had a ton of direct influence on Radiohead among others and Stereolab and various other 90s alt bands. It might be largely retrospectively,but it easily outweighs Zappa in a modern context. It's alright to be wrong but you're simply talking out your ass without actually listening.
▶ №113762[Quote]
>>113759You totally did. You're making it extremely obvious. I think you might have just been too retarded to sit through a CAN Album or even like just live recording which doesn't really surprise me tbqh. If you're this attention fried it would probably lose you.
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>>113759Yeah you keep saying that but you also consistently demonstrate a total lack of knowledge for them. So in practice I could kinda tell you were lying about that. Sure thing bud. Pretty sure you've even admitted upon being pressured that you haven't. Meanwhile Zappa Songs are all just completely random retarded comedy slop with no overarching structure beyond le funni.
▶ №113764[Quote]>>113765>>113766>>113767
>>113760those bands only knew can from pete nice though, they heard dust to dust and assumed that vitamin c would just sound like the instrumental version of that (unfortunately it's much shittier) and bought all of their records
▶ №113765[Quote]
>>113764Right. You didn't say you disdain the structure for it's disrespectful appropriation of black culture though. You said none of them had any. So you haven't really listened to much CAN at all probably. Also clearly Sing Swan Song and I'm too Lesse are mideval ballads or in the style moreso and paperhouse is like a standard rock ballad lmao.
▶ №113766[Quote]
>>113764>only knew CAN from Pete NiceWho cares?
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>>113764>>113764Like even if this were remotely true (it isn't it's because of college stations) Pete Nice was like over 30 years ago at this point. People still remember CAN so they must have had some impact on them. People still wifely credit CAN much more than your funny meme bands even.
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Bro was s9 mind broken by that one he's feigning employment. *evil anime laugh*
▶ №113781[Quote]>>113793
No seriously you don't understand shit though. I'm not claiming black culture is invalid or that white people are better. I'm not claiming anything like you're thinking. I'm Ditch Germaj though and I know for a fact CAN were landmark for all western music simply by growing up with them. That doesn't invalidate black artists from that era nor did I claim it did nor did I even claim CAN didn't draw on them. But basically nobody else was doing shit like the riffs in mushroom head or the riffs is tango whiskeyman.
▶ №113793[Quote]>>113794>>113795
>>113781that’s because the said “riffs” were just random bullshit, you’re right that no one else was making shit like that but that’s because it sucked
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>>113793If you'd listened to motr midevsl music this isn't true. You just can't handle anything other than a clean harmonic lol. Can't handle texture.
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>>113793Very well defined melodies. Your ass did not really listen.
▶ №113796[Quote]>>113797>>113801
>>113719I don't know you niggers, you two faggots have been shitting up the board with your Zappa snca. No one cares about how much either of you dweebs love or hate Zappa. You are both wastes of sperm & egg. Krautrock is just shitty prog and Zappa is just shitty prog, so you all ain't too different. Only good prog bands are Yes and Il Balletto di Bronzo.
▶ №113797[Quote]>>113814
>>113796>"wastes of sperms and egg"Incel Retard Moment rofl. You probably listen to anime Soundtracks.
▶ №113801[Quote]>>113819
>>113796Baletto di Bronzo is goof. Yes are not sp much tbh. I would say CAN is more a psych rock or jam than prog band but they have moments of it.
▶ №113814[Quote]>>113820
>>113797Nigger, what's an anime even? My parents don't let me watch T.V. for more than 30 minutes a day.
▶ №113819[Quote]>>113820
>>113801Listen to 'Siberian Khatru' and tell me it's not the shit.
▶ №113821[Quote]
>>113820What's that? Is that like ragebait or something?
▶ №113828[Quote]>>113829>>113867
proof that even CAN themselves had to admit that zappa was a legend:
https://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/Can▶ №113829[Quote]>>113865
>>113828saaar you forgot to add a license.md file saaaar this is not heckin copyleft saaar
▶ №113867[Quote]>>113871
>>113828CAN had better songwriting. I don't doubt they enjoyed him but they simply did. Zappa could have never written some of the songs that CAN did. They weren't capable of it the mother's of invention or whatever. They were just a novelty act.
▶ №113871[Quote]>>113958>>113959
>>113867I don't understand how (what is in your mind) a "good" band could be influenced so heavily by a "bad" musician, did CAN have bad taste in your estimation? if so, how could they make such "good" music with "bad" taste like that?
▶ №113958[Quote]
>>113871This is the type of argument a retard with a 5th grade reading level makes ngl haha. Yeah CAN could like Zappa and I could like CAN but not Zappa same goes for The Beatles. They don't sound exactly directly alike they're just veaugly in the same genre. Leave it to a Zappa Fanboy to be too cardboard abd literal and basically inhuman to figure that out though. One does not equate the other. They don't have to have the exact same taste I do to be a better bans than the bands yu mentioned.
▶ №113959[Quote]>>113963>>114157
>>113871They qre also capable of structure ans songwriting and Zappa wasn't. And Zappas guitar playing and overall sensibilities were ultimately so generic that you can hardly tell his influence is there. It could as easily been Ten Years After or Ted Nudgent influencing it as Zappa The Rizzler and you could never tell. Meanwhile CAN is pretty fucking distinct like them or not.
▶ №113963[Quote]>>114091>>114096
>>113959>They qre also capable of structure ans songwriting and Zappa wasn'twhy did they like his music so much then?
▶ №114091[Quote]
>>113963>retarded circular thinking We already went over this but you not processing it says a lot lol.
▶ №114096[Quote]>>114112
>>113963Because it was a different time and people had different sensibilities doing song parodies was still probably funny enough for an entire music career. Doesn't mean they weren't more valid as actual musicians. They did things Zappa wasn't and didn't.
▶ №114112[Quote]>>114155>>114157
>>114096>people had different sensibilitiesbut people with those same sensibilities made music you like, how do you account for that?
▶ №114155[Quote]
>>114112I already explained this. You're just daft.
▶ №114157[Quote]>>114180>>114265
>>114112>>113959Literally just too retarded and Zappa coded to process the statement. The resemblance is imagined. They got generic hard rock guitar tone from Zappa prettymuch and the dumbest sound effects on the end of tago mag that's it. If they actually sounded like Zappa sure but they don't.
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>>114157but they were inspired by him, they made great music (according to you) but they also loved zappa, how does that make sense if zappa is as bad as you say he is?
▶ №114233[Quote]>>114243
Zappa is kino, chuds are just being contrarian faggots
▶ №114243[Quote]
>>114233It's just one obsessed seething samefag hating on xim
▶ №114265[Quote]>>114289
>>114157lol, I’ll just assume your silence is you conceding then, you put in a great effort but eventually the objective superiority of Zappa prevailed
▶ №114281[Quote]>>114290
>>111068>jewWell that explains why I've always been repulsed by him.
▶ №114289[Quote]>>114297
>>114265Bros clinically retarded
▶ №114302[Quote]>>114344>>114353
>>114290jewornotjew can't be trusted.
>duck.ai>GPT-4o mini>Did Frank Zappa have any jewish ancestors? As in ethnically jewish. >Yes, Frank Zappa had Jewish ancestry. His father, Francis Vincent Zappa, was of Italian descent, while his mother, Rosemarie (nee Corsi), had a mixed heritage that included Jewish roots. Zappa himself identified as a non-religious person and often expressed skepticism towards organized religion, but his family background included Jewish ancestry. ▶ №114344[Quote]
>>114302C'mon, for what reason would jews have to lie?
▶ №114353[Quote]
>>114302He was Mediteranian. Doesn't matter what ethnicity they were or what they believed though. CAN,Jimi Hendrix,QMS,ADii,The Dead,JA,DOM,The Rising Storm,The Human Expression all way way way way way way better bands. Also Magma,Funkadelic,Marshal Tucker,Charlie Daniel's.
▶ №114355[Quote]>>114393
>Be Lou Reed
>Try as hard as possible to alienate mainstream audiences
>be a socialist probably realistically
>have the 60s equivalent to not as your album art
>still die wealthier than musicians who sold better at the time and be more influential than artists with more mainstream appeal in any conceivable measure
>die incredibly wealthy despite having squidwarded it the entire time
You gotta see how he basically mogged over 9000 other bands who actually tried to sell well etc. Even if you don't agree he was "more I fluently than the beatles" (I do strongly) the music still speaks for itself. Otherwise he would have successfully alienated the masses as opposed to instantly having imposter bands in foreign countries without trying. He Siad he was too cool for school but still went off with the highest grades. He actively avoided playing the game and still won. If his music was on marriage horrible then more people irl would actually recognize Zappa and not Lou Reed but they don't. The Hollies and The Move were mainstream pop acts in their era yet are less recognizable than The Velvet Underground today.
▶ №114356[Quote]>>114393
He outsold actual notable pop stars while trying as hard as possible to alienate the masses. If he was truly terrible he would have actually alienated them and not died rich and famous. The label was like "sorry Lou Reed I'm afraid you're going to get this mansion and some bad bitches" and he was like "noooooOoOoOoOo". He was absolutely the pretentious hipster you guys describe him as and made in theory totally alienating music yet was widely successful. So you can say he was bad but the Beatles were actually trying to succeed and no aren't taken as serious as Lou despite Lou absolutely despising probably have the people who listen to him,muchness Zappa since people do actually still know who the Beatles were. But like that the average zoomer probably recognizes Lou Reed but not skrillex? Yeah he kinda overshadowed half the artists who weren't actively trying to be unmarketable. When you try that hard to be alienating and still die rich there's a limit to how bad you could be. It's different than corperate where acts like the Beatles haha. Lou Reed won the capitalism despite hating both the masses and capitalism and his own fanbase. It's kinda despite literally everything he did and said people still bought it. So if he can have millions of people chanting that they love him while he plays an undeciperahble hard noise wall he could have done "granny shit" or "normie" or "more mainstream" like the Beatles but chose not to. He outperformed them on critical metrics and still died rich desire being as antagonistic as possible towards critics aswell. Lou Reeds arguably failure to alienate said masses is a sign of his intrinsic quality. If he tried to sell maybe going mainstream wouldn't be as sequential. But if he tried THIS HARD to be a "pretentious hipster" but is now more recognizable and likely wealthier than the Hollies or the move or even strawberry alarm clock and other bands who actually tried to achieve commercial fame he couldn't be THAT bad.
▶ №114358[Quote]>>114393
If he was so bad then why did the audience he was trying to alienate still worship the ground he walked on while he told him he hated them? That's not really yk. When a pop band like the Beatles sell well there can be reasons other then quality when the harsh noise wall gay sex sadomaschism art rock indie twee martial industrial act outsells pop acts in the same era as the Beatles were preforming even if he didn't outsold the Beatles themselves there's a definitive hard limit to how shit he could be. Like I'm sorry if he was that bad why wasn't he successful in being alienating? Exactly. His songs were just too memorable and catchy to fail. He tried to fail "on the market" and literally couldn't. If you're actually conservative or at all believe in capitalism like many o you do not sure how you could refute this. When you build yourself on being pretentious and offputting and a5ill die wealthy and more recognizable than some of the pop stars you were hating on the entire time that's very one sided.
▶ №114359[Quote]>>114393
Like how van you try so so so so so hard to be a "pretentious hipster" in a genuine sense as Lou Reed did and still end up getting used in car commercials? That's like if you guys are as conservative as you make yourselves out to be and I can be kind of a commie tbh pretty atlas shrugged. Like god just decided he was the alpha male or the sigma or whatever. There's not much nuance to that.
▶ №114361[Quote]>>114393
Like if he hated capitalism and hated the masses and still won the popularity contest and all that money while trying to be that times equivalent to raw pagan black metal or some shit but gay coded in the fucking 60s yeah. Impossible at that time to market. Intentionally alienating. Still dies rich and arguably more remembered than his contemporaries? He couldn't actually be that bad. Lou Reed I mean. You guys hate him as a political thing which is fine ig but you gotta admit The Velvet Underground ripped. I like The Move and The Hollies too and yeah I know both those bands probably had Beatles moments,but you get it. People just instinctively love you and think you're better than everyone else despite you being intentionally as antagonistic towards them at possible then your art probably wasn't bad. I'm sorry. But if he was such a bad musician why didn't he succeed in being a "pretentious hipster"? Exactly. He failed to alienate the masses because he touched shit and it tuned to fucking gold haha. The Universe said so.
▶ №114362[Quote]>>114380>>114393
Like obviously I don't believe sales directly equate to quality but if you're trying THAT HARD to alienate people and they still worship the ground you walk on while your insulting them that's a pretty significant flex. So given that he was telling people they were stupid and he hated them in a way the Beatles or Hollies weren't while doing this. Making intentionally alienating music. And still died rich:was he as bad a songwriter as you guys make him out as? Because for him to have failed so hard to be a "pretentious hipster" he must have made something so human on a personal and emotional level that it completely defied conventional marketing and still "won capitalism". Even if he didn't outsell he's still more respected lived significantly longer than most of the Beatles or doors. And then many more mainstream psych acts that are now easily overshadowed by The VU. So if they compete with bands that supposedly had 1000 times the commercial appeal in casual conversation yah lol. They're yk he must have been good at something. You guys both realize they're "normie tier" but also "pretentious hipster bullshit",that's means they were outselling bands with pop aspirations and actual marketing teams while singing about gay sex in the late 1960s and making harsh noise walls. That's yk. I don't know how you can be conservative as some of you say you are or believe in sales far more than I do and not see a man so set to alienate mainstream audiences die wealthy and say that his music was truly bad. Idk. But maybe that's just me haha. I think he's remembered despite himself by how good his fucking songs were.
▶ №114363[Quote]>>114380>>114393
Make harsh noise wall about gay sex in the 60s with a artist who got canceled later on that's your main contribution and you die wealthier than some mainstream acts of that era? Yeah you probably had inherent appeal. The Beatles needed to be marketed. Lou Reed didn't. He was as alienating as he possibly could be to mainstream viewers and nobody came and shot him and he still gets used in fucking car ads. You cannot say your negative opinions on him are intrinsic.
▶ №114364[Quote]>>114380>>114393
Same goes for CAN that they're known at all in America. We're a fucking overseas audience. So you cannot tell me oh nobody cares about them. I'm part German but I can't speak it. So clearly yeah they did good. Got used in a fucking beer ad despite being explicitly communist. While The Monkees and Pet Sounds get zero play ever. The band who were explicitly anti capitalist get used in a fucking beer ad after death. That's yk. So idk.
▶ №114365[Quote]>>114380>>114393
CAN were probably threatening fuckkng marketing teams lol. Like actually think about the implications there. There was no feasible universe where both Lou Reed and CAN died poor. How are you calling me a "libtard" and can't see that is wild. If you're a truly bad musician "alienating the masses" isn't as big of a task as it was for Damo or The VU.
▶ №114429[Quote]>>114434>>114453
>>114393>>114380Retard Logic is actually thinking Frank Zappa made music as opposed to jacked off in public lol. But sure thing little retard. Lou Reeds legacy rains eternal. Objectively succeeded on merit unlike The Beatles and Doors who did goyslop or Zappa who was just a spastic meme artist nobody cares about anymore.
▶ №114430[Quote]>>114453
>>114393I might be doing a lil hyperborian skibbidi fungus. Who knows. Don't tell my ex haha. Don't let m3 get into the habit of doing it all the time again either.
▶ №114431[Quote]>>114453
>>114393The Meds thing really loves that zoomers are too retarded to go outside. Some of the most mental people you'll meet are pill heads.
▶ №114432[Quote]>>114453
*proves
Nobody is more skibbidi than pill poppers. Maybe tweaks but you're not telling me they control behavior. Might make some people less disturbed but lol on that one.
▶ №114433[Quote]>>114453
"Take your meds" but like have you met a pill head? Some of those people really didn't need to "take their meds".
▶ №114434[Quote]>>114435>>114437>>114439
>>114429no one knows who lou reed is, he made one “influential” album but that’s it, only music autists like tvu & nico anyways. zappa on the otherhand literally changed popular music, though even chainsaw man is more important and influential than lou reed or can
▶ №114435[Quote]>>114438
>>114434That's because you're a spastic and don't go outside. Literally every body was posting about it when he died. Everybody knew. Least in America. Almost everyone. I don't doubt you smell like piss/shit and don't go outside though. Yes they knew when David Bowie died and when Lemmy died too. The media wouldn't stop talking about it. CAN they sadly did not,but Lou's death was widely reported. Just because you smell like piss and jack off in public does not change that.
▶ №114437[Quote]
>>114434>changed popular musicYou can't justify this,but society pretending his random spastic yelling and farther noises were important certainly helps stop you from committing a mass shooting or something. Makes people like you feel included I guess. But that's yk. This isn't up for debate haha. It's just true.
▶ №114438[Quote]>>114442>>114446
>>114435it was widely reported on because he made the le epic randumb noise meme album metal machine music so the public knew about him from that, that’s literally his entire legacy if you ask anyone besides a genuine autist
▶ №114439[Quote]>>114441
>>114434>Chainsaw Man You're just stringing random shit together at this point. Chainsaw Man is irrelevant to this.
▶ №114441[Quote]>>114443
>>114439>>114439the point I was making is that even a somewhat niche thing like chainsaw man is more relevant than lou reed
▶ №114442[Quote]
>>114438No that's you being mentally disabled. Interesting insight into your small pathetic world though. I'm guessing you googled this and realized that without the direct help of the president or millions of dollars to take down web pages this would be a hard position to justify?
▶ №114443[Quote]>>114475
>>114441It's a niche of overweight mentally retarded men who touch themselves in public,which tbf is almost definitely the same niche you are but a significantly less important voice in the eyes of society,and tbh that's probably for good reason. They reported Lou reeds death because anybody who listens to Lou Reed actually went and formed bands. You and your "friends" (people you met on discord) aren't competent or intelligent enough to ever actually do that. So no. He wasn't. And no. It isn't.
▶ №114446[Quote]
>>114438Most casual fans have never heard Metal Music Machine. Both his early to mid 70s solo albums and his work with The Velvet Underground are by far more widely recognized. You're grasping at straws. Average VU Fan probably doesn't even know what Metal Machine Music is.
▶ №114448[Quote]>>114479
Zappa didn't have a single remotely interesting idea ever either. It's all just shit lifted directly from jazz or classical.
▶ №114475[Quote]>>114510
>>114443>because anybody who listens to Lou Reed actually went and formed bandsone of the greatest myths in rock history
▶ №114479[Quote]>>114510
>>114448even doe jazz and classical are gemmy
▶ №114510[Quote]
>>114475Backed by reality.
>>114479I don't like jazz personally but love classical music. This wasn't intended as a judgement of jazz nor classical to be clear though.
▶ №114511[Quote]>>114513>>114514>>114515
>>114454Listen to this xillenial cuck on the sharty … doesn't he know that he's an old faggot with no wife; no children; no house;no hobbies; no skills; and absolutely no prospects to speak of whatsoever? He's most likely infertile or otherwise severely malformed to the extent that no woman within a 10 mile radius would want to touch him (let alone look at him). Perhaps this is a blessing to the gene pool. Poor schizo Nicotroon, all he can do all day is ramble about Zappa. He is the ultimate TRVECEL.
▶ №114513[Quote]>>114524>>114541
>>114511Well I can tell you like Zappa without asking haha. Nive projection ig retard.
▶ №114514[Quote]>>114524>>114541
>>114511>"prospects to speak of whatsoever? He's most likely infertile or otherwise severely malformed to the extent that no woman within a 10 mile radius would want to touch him (let alone look at him). Perhaps this is a blessing to the gene pool. Poor schizo Nicotroon, all he can do all day is ramble about Zappa. He is the ultimate TRVECEL."This is the type of person who would listen to Frank Zappa. By my age you're probably going to have killed yourself haha. You're not having kids either. But go ahead and continue the delusions. The average frank skibbidi fan is basically defective. You do not work. I do. Etc.
▶ №114515[Quote]>>114524>>114541
>>114511>>114511Also I'm a Zillenial not a Xillenial I'm in my late 20s and I'm kinda possessive tbh. Least that's what my ex told me. I get you think that listening to Zappa proves you're le epic based big boy who use big words and has the sex I guess. Not what it's actually saying to other people but sure. Most people's lives aren't this dramatic. Pussy yes,opertunities depends what you mean. Good chance my band will be remembered but not in like a Lou Reed level haha. I'm yk making enough for food and shit again though. I have a girl on my phone I've been talking to a little. But the level of loser you are is actually not the norm. I'm not Gen x at all though that's just factually incorrect. I'm like I said late 20s.
▶ №114524[Quote]>>114600>>114603
>>114513>>114514>>114515Absolute leakage. BLVD got buckbroken by a single post.
▶ №114603[Quote]>>114826
>>114524>>114541>>114541Bro thinks he's a big boy as opposed to an abject retard with no life skills. Ok. Don't real1ly think I have to justify that he in fact isn't.
▶ №114605[Quote]>>114762>>114824
>>111037I reitterate. It's "for intellectuals" in the same way Excel Saga and Hasbin Hotel are lol. It's not. It's convoluted garbage for neckbeards/manchildren/etc.
▶ №114762[Quote]>>114811>>114812
>>114605excel saga and hazbin hotel are both universally understood to be solid works, what's your point?
▶ №114811[Quote]>>114824
>>114762They're not lol. That's just what guys like you think lol. For everyone else those are bad jokes.
▶ №114812[Quote]>>114824
>>114762Further proving my point.
▶ №114824[Quote]
>>114605>>114811>>114812>saying dis ev&doe Hazbin Hotel and Excel Saga are Aryan gemeraldsAlright, I think it's time for you to leave, young buck. Don't know how they do it up 'round Plebbit way, but this is Sharty country and we don't cotton much to no Hazbin-Hotel hate; least, not paired with your evident disdain for Excel Saga. No sir, whilst we may be able to tolerate one, we most certainly cannot tolerate the other. Mhm, this is your final warning 'fore we up and decide to break your buck so hard that you'll be shitting like a crippled coon at dawn. Now, get on with yourself, y'hear?
▶ №114826[Quote]>>114906
>>114603GEG ESL Zappa-Hating Nigger likes bois (probably)
▶ №114906[Quote]
>>114826Interesting. Yeah you're low iq haha. Problem of you liking the funny anime screeching "music" solved.
▶ №114921[Quote]>>114922>>115063
These 2 retards have been arguing over frank zappa for a month, what is the point
▶ №114922[Quote]>>114994>>115063
>>114921The point is that they will go down in history as the two biggest faggots in sharty history. Seriously, these NIGGERS cannot stop shitting up the board.
▶ №115020[Quote]>>115061>>115062
>>114994A real giga's /nate/, this place is
▶ №115767[Quote]>>115996>>115997
lmao this thread is still up. cant believe mtv is actually this dead
BTW nicotranny if u read this: TMR is the greatest album of all time
▶ №115996[Quote]>>115998
>>115767You'll outgrow this when your therapist hires you a hooker at 30.
▶ №115997[Quote]
>>115767But yeah you're right. I'm surprised too. I guess dead internet theory or whatever.
▶ №115998[Quote]>>116088>>116200
>>115996Fucking disgusting prostitute pussy makes you not like Beefheart, noted.
▶ №116088[Quote]
>>115998You knew what I was implying. It's partially that you never actually enjoyed it to begin with.
▶ №116200[Quote]>>116312
>>115998Needing it to begin with causes the behaviors which force you to pretend to like it. Was the point.
▶ №116312[Quote]>>116313
>>116200thoughts on Prime Minister Pete Nice?
▶ №116313[Quote]
>>116312Not really many. I kind of forget he exists until you mention him.
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I'm listening to Prime Minister Pete Nice right now unironically. This guy has to be either Italian or jewishh or they wouldn't be letting him do this ngl. Kinda went hard though not going to lie. He's definetely at least as white as Damo Suzaki is though lol. Fair enough in 4chan logic.
▶ №116618[Quote]
No actually unironically and this really is me this song by him I just listened to is actually hard as fuck. Pretty good stuff. Still probably rather listen to can though. My dad likes rap music a lot and I'm like extremely white so it's honestly kind of embarrassing.
