So, Kiwifarms has killed a webcomic and surrounding media with, at best, accusations that are right but made for the wrong reasons, and quite likely distortions or outright lies because thatโs what they fucking do. Itโs a reactionary cesspool of harassment a la Encyclopedia Dramatica, but progressives are taking it seriously because callout culture has gotten to the point where sources or mitigating circumstances donโt matter so long as someoneโs saying someone is teh bad.
โฆ We need to fucking talk, people. Stop doing the work of reactionary assholes in your eagerness to be โpure.โ
Why did you make liberty black and justice Muslim ?
So hereโs a distilled explanation of Why Liberty Is Black and Why Justice Is Muslim for those who are confused by the rampant inaccuracies. Iโll spell it out.
Artistic license
I live in the US and the political landscape is a dumpster fire. This is a protest piece.
Liberty and Justice are concepts based loosely on ancient gods from a multiracial civilization. They are also deeply American concepts, and one of the great American dreams is that we are a melting pot of equality* for all races and religions.
*Terms and conditions may apply.
With the political point Iโm trying to make, those 3 things are more than enough to justify this depiction. (Not that it even needs justification; itโs my personal art.)
For all of the questions Iโve gotten on this piece, 90% relate to the race/religion of Liberty and Justice. People are bothered by the perceived inaccuracies there and totally skip over the gay part. I imagine that Liberty and Justice kissing should, maybe, also be considered inaccurate because thatโs actually where I took the biggest leap. I literally had no reason to do it except itโs that cute and gay and political. I personified the judicial system coming to protect the liberties of people legislatively marginalized for their race or religionโฆas two queer women. Yet somehow that is not the most inaccurate part to people.
No, god forbid anyone depict two //personified concepts// as nonwhite to represent and recognize the vast marginalization of POC in this country, particularly black and Muslim communities.
p.s. the fact that Libertas and Iusticia are both conceived as female by Greeks and Romans is also arbitrary maybe one or both of them are actually transwomen or genderqueer or agender because everything cultural that you hold dear is a construct have a good day
Hi @ghostluneโ I can see from your blog that we just think of the world in two fundamentally different ways but I donโt think thatโs reason to not have a little historical education
1. French is a nationality, not a race. You can, in fact, be black and French. What I suspect you meant is โthe Statue of Liberty is a white womanโ.
2. Please refer to the โEducational sidebarโ section above where I discuss why a nonwhite Liberty is pretty in-line with both the French and American visions of her. It has citations and everything. Itโs cool, I promise.
I ship it
I think itโs far more likely that people back then wouldโve had a bigger problem with them being depicted as lesbians than they would with them being portrayed as black or muslim. If Iโm thinking of the right time periods, anyway.
usually these things arent my cup of tea and i try to stay out of tumblr drama as much as possible, but this has gone farther from this on a pretty huge scale. unfortunately my ability to word things is hard, so please bear with me. if you can word this better or add anything including screenshots of the thread, please go ahead. i cant select any specifics from that site nor take screenshots well with this computer. thank you.
Itโs been shown now several times that shmorky, butthug, bughutt, etc (creator of the beloved klurfs) is an abuser pedophile who openly admitted to preying on the mentally ill,homeless for feel of control and power. two of their former exโs have come up and shown proof and stated that in their time with them, they were abused and manipulated.
The biggest โbombโ dropped in this whole issue was a whopping 91 pages of a cyber sex rp log with a then 16 year old mentally ill person, (cw for pedophilia, incest, unsanitary, creepiness) screenshots can be seen here (i do not want these images anywhere on my blog). if you can stomach these logs i recommend them - you can clearly see shmork grooming this poor minor who doesnโt have any interest at first.
his ex fiancee has talked about her time living with them, and while some is questionable as she is schizophrenic and has admitted to not remembering things completely clearly at times, some of the information has been confirmed by lowtax, who had worked with shmorky for years.
unfortunately all of this information is discussed over kiwifarms, on a thread specifically made to gather more information about good ol shmork (i do recommend reading this thread, if you can handle some seriously messed up stuff. cw for pedophilia, nsfw art, incest, everything else). this site definitely has a 4chan anti sjw/whatever attitude in it and does use slurs quite a bit, but seeing as shmorkys fanbase is mainly 15 y/o sjws i think that even sources that use words that arent โokโ to use should be taken seriously until there is solid proof they didnโt do any of these things. I know tumblr does this for women who come up about rape, abuse, etc, and this shouldnโt be any different unless proven otherwise.
this isnt meant to be a callout post or anything of the sort, its meant to spread information and protect young people, especially minors, from an artist who is EXTREMELY manipulative, abusive, and is clearly into pedophilia and incest. Shmorky is a dangerous person, and i dread to think what could happen to more children under their influence and facade of being the โgood sjw ^__^โ
So i am making it clear i donโt want any more involvement aside from updating information. if you want to argue with me about any of this go ahead, but im not touching it unless there is SOLID, INDISPUTABLE proof shmorky didnt do these things.
please donโt excuse or dismiss stories because someone is a sjw. this is important and alarming information about someone with a huge influence over minors, and though the sources might be shady, itโs worth considering, ESPECIALLY if you are in contact or trust this person. be safe. and be smart.
ok first of all. โshmorkyโs fanbase is all 15 y/o sjwsโ โI know
you people on tumblr do this for women who come forward about rape and abuseโ
what the fuck is with this weird tone who are you again
this is just a fucking disgrace of a call out post thatโs
trying to say itโs not a call out post letโs break this down
lol โbewareโ
no too bad you donโt get to go โexcuse my bad writingโ when
youโre literally publicly accusing someone of pedophilia, I swear to god people
accuse each other of pedophilia every five seconds that word is fucking heavy
and means something, put some effort into your literally one page long post
you canโt just say โitโs been shown several
timesโ you have to cite your fucking sources
p sure only one of them was an ex and the other
was skype sex for like three months http://sli.mg/a/vZDAL8 check the dates, first message feb 9 2014, last rp session may 8 2014, they literally barely talked after that
i could not find a single screenshot where they openly admitted โpreying on people for feel of control and power.โ also:
a mentally ill person venting about how they feel like a bad person isnt the
same thing as a fucking confession it happens literally everyday
regarding their ex: Iโm sorry are you taking one
personโs word at face value, in a relationship that we have audio proof (fucked up, a recorded interaction b/w two very mentally ill people) was
mutually abusive, that apparently shmorky was the abuser? when itโs a super common thing
that abusers accuse their victims of abuse? and abuse victims are shamed for
not speaking up but face retribution when they do speak up? Hello? I thought I was
on Tumblr, where everybody knows every fucking thing about abuse, what a
fucking joke
teenagers getting pressured by popular artists into sex
stuff is bad shit
yeah I saw her and lowtax both complaining about shmorkyโs
anxiety and depression symptoms too, with the added bonus of how unreasonable
shmorky was to try to get them to respect their pronouns, cool
man the ex fiancee route is fruitless donโt even go there its honestly a mutual horror show from everything ive seen
you seriously recommend reading this thread? i donโt recommend
reading this thread. did you warn for shmorkyโs content, which is all behind spoiler
tags by the way, and not for every singlepost in this thread laughing at how
funny and fucked up it is for a man to be feminine? and about how shmorkyโs
rape claim is definitely fake and attention seeking, and theyโre not evenareal trans? did you miss that part because thatโs about 100% of the thread. but
yeah. it doesnโt matter that im pissed you didnโt put the warnings, it matters
that you apparently hang out with blatant transmisogynists and think their
behaviour isnt fucked up enough to warrant a clarification beyond โ4chan/anti-sjw/whatever
attitudeโ?
also: what the hell is โI know tumblr does this for women
who come up about rapeโ supposed to mean? is the thing that youโre saying
tumblr does, not dismissing abuse victims immediately? is that not how itโs
done wherever youโre from? well I mean
itโs kiwifarms so I knew that already?
but no youโre right, every single person in that website being
a sackful of shit doesnโt mean they donโt have legitimate receipts, which they
get from routinely hideously violating peoples privacy by the way. but yes. itโs
good that this is being discussed, itโs good that teenagers on the internet
know about grooming. hey maybe we should talk about, how do we get information
to younger people on the internet regarding what it looks like when an adult
you admire is pushing you into something you donโt want? how about we tell
abusers not to abuse instead of telling victims to avoid abusers, and talk
about red flags that tell you your partner is not totally into this, especially
since that sort of thing is harder to see over the internet? why donโt we talk to everybody about what a consenting conversation looks like versus one where the other
person is just trying to impress you? this โi and the people around me are good people and could never do thisโ bs is so boring
im not disputing shit im saying youโre an asshole
Jesus Christ. what the hell does โdonโt excuse or dismiss
stories because someone is an sjwโ mean. I guess anybody who disagrees with you is obviously excusing or dismissing abuse because shmorky is an sjw?
โsources might be shadyโ sources are only shady when itโs
literally shmorkyโs ex, talking about how bad her ex was, and lowtax, a dude
who ran his office into the ground in 2015, saying he really doesnโt get his
friendโs anxiety problems and they should just get over it
all in all: thereโs literally only one part of this worth
looking at and itโs the chat logs
everything else on kiwifarms is garbage hearsay (have none
of you seriously heard people talk about their exes? im like in shock) (regarding
the thing about shmorky taking away her pills: yeah, wtf. but I donโt see the
value in looking at one single event in that relationship when we literally
have an audio log of her shoving a KNIFE at them while screaming that they
secretly want to hurt her (which is a symptom of her mental illness but also
emotionally manipulative as fuck toward a person whos also mentally ill)
& we literally donโt know anything else about that relationship that isnโt,
again, a person, complaining, about her ex, when they were both mentally ill
and mutually abusive,
โshmorky has a thing for controlling people and gravitates
toward psychotic pplโ this statement is stupid because people in relationships get fucked up thinking they control their partners too
much all the time. also their ex fiancee was their roommate before they dated, so
it doesnโt seem like they like, saw that she was psychotic and tracked her down
or some shit. and carefully, shmorkyโs 17 yr old at the time fan, actively
talked to them on fb and sought them out on skype its not like shmorky went
after them either lmao? itโs not that hard to believe that a mentally ill
person hanging out in mentally ill ppl circles would date two people who are
psychotic?
yall usually at least get a little bit sympathetic when
someone gets called out for gross shit on line so, sorry, I just have a hard
time believing that u just all happened to see through the veneer and realize that
shmorky is a bad person despite literally everything thatโs not the chat logs being
unconvincing as shit. & which can easily be interpreted to show shmorky in a much
more positive light than the assholes making those
claims. itโs cool that everybody jumped on board this trainwreck and are all so
eager to absolutely demolish this person, could it be because theyโre dmab and
feminine and low socioeconomic status and mentally ill maybe
yall know that the ppl in kiwifarms thread laugh about
shmorky trying to pitch their voice higher or wearing wigs, right, and that they
posted a picture labeled โnsfw disgustingโ that was literally just a regular
picture of shmorky wearing leggings that doesnโt show anything? which is a
vicious violation of trust by his ex, by the way, in case you didnโt know that
exes posting private pics of the women they dated and shaming them for having
the audacity to show off their bodies, was a thing that is insidious and
happens irl? this is all b4 the chatlogs were posted theyโre just regularly like
this, and even if it isnโt, what happened to โno matter how bad a person is Iโll
respect their identity bc all trans ppl deserve to be respectedโ I guess all
that goes out the door if someoneโs nb dmab lol
Y'all are fucking sloppy as hell and need to realize how these posts are fucking proving grounds for transmisogynists that DESPERATELY want to misgender and delegitimize trans women under the guise of being progressive
Thereโs a RIGHT way to make these types of posts about really bad trans women and linking to kiwifarms while humoring misgendering people isnโt the fucking right way