Dark Enlightenment and Neo Monarchism

[Margo Martindale]

I've been reading up recently on Neo Monarchism and the Dark Enlightenment, and while it does have some interesting ideas, it also has some retarded ones.

Good:
-Tearing down of 'The Cathedral' - Consists of the Media, Elite Academia, and Public Service Workers, and their near religious belief in crazy progressive ideals, and their supression of anything that goes against them (similar to the churches of the medieval days)
-Democracy resulting in Tyranny of the Masses - We previously had restrictions on who could vote in the past, but now anyone basically can. So the idiots will vote for whatever politician promises the most gibs and not whats best for the long run.
-Authoritarianism - Can lead to order and massive reduction in crime, as seen in countries like Singapore
-Hyperracism - There are scientifically proven differences between people of different races, and pretending they don't exist does not help anyone

Retarded:
-Authoritarianism - While Authoritarianism can lead to order, it can also easily swing the other way to tyranny and orwelian governments if the wrong person wields such power. Checks and balances do need to be in place for such things.
-Removal of borders and allowing anyone to freely move anywhere - We are seeing how well this is currently going in Europe.
-Hyper capitalism - The expectation is that people will vote with their feet and move away if their hyper capitalistic local government does not provide for them, and that hyper capitalism will reduce corruption and oligarchies. We can already see the problems with modern day capitalism (or whatever twisted version of it that exists now of the idea), where corporations are willing to do anything as long as the shareholders are pleased, the customer and employee be damned. People in power will do anything to maintain that power, removal of all regulations will just allow them to do so much easier.

What are your thoughts on Neo Monarchism and the Dark Enlightenment?

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

As a based peasant rebellion enjoyer I hate monarchist fags.

Peasant Antisemitism is the best kind of Antisemitism

 

[Thinspirational faggot]

its try hard shit
"hyper racism " is just racism for example, hyper just added to seem cool
the problem with the tyranny of the mases narrative is simple, just like how individual rulers differ in values and ideology, so are the masses, Pakistani masses are very different from swedish masses, the ideas and valus of the masses aren't just thinkless yapping , cultures develop their values concisely.

democracy ideally revailes a population true nature, sometimes bad nations have good dictators (ataturk in Turkey for example) that makes people overlook the disgusting people that populate the country.

i agree with tearing down the cathedral part

 

[Skitarii]

How do you have "hyperracism" without authoritarianism? And don't say "muh community will flush da nignogs out", that's just warlordism my nignog.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

Monarchy sucks ass. Look up "first night's rights". Epstein Island phenomenon was like monarchy in practice.

 

[BONECRUSHER]

Monarchy sucks ass. Look up "first night's rights". Epstein Island phenomenon was like monarchy in practice.

That wasn't real you fucking retard. It's just a myth spread by degenerates. That kind of shit would be the quickest way to get the fucking peasants, merchants and lesser nobles to lynch you

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

Look up "first night's rights".

If you'd taken your own advice, you wouldn't look like a giant retard right now.

 

[888Flux]

I don't think the current NRx label has anything to even do with Yarvin or Land anymore and instead is either a boogeyman for retarded leftist journos or the bastard spawn ideology of neocon reactionary ideals when it was co-opted by the Thiel people. It always was sort of just mental masturbation to begin with.




(average NRx literature)

How do you have "hyperracism" without authoritarianism

This is what America was. Whites are one of the few groups capable of self-governance. A White Racial Republic doesn't need to be explicitly authoritarian. It can have the civil liberties of a Republic while ensuring via it's Constitution that only Whites are permitted to live there.

"Hyperracism" is how 95% of the world operated up until the 20th century. The concept of a race or people being separate from a state is entirely new.

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

Neomonarchism and neoreaction are gatekept larps to steer the right back into approved modes of political engagement, namely, none at all. Yarvin is butt buddies with many of the most unsavory journos and intellectuals of the cathedral.

Nothing wrong at all with monarchism and reaction though, just stay away from this gayfag neo-shit.

 

[Smoltine Kiminal]

"dark enlightenment" sounds mega dumb
dark things aint enlightened, enlightening removes darkness
>tyranny of the masses
is a boogieman, voting doenst matter if u haven't noticed, all the political parties do the same shit anyways
trump is pedo epstein friend, clinton is pedo epstein friend, biden is sniffing little girls on live tv
"neo-monarchism" wouldnt change shit about that either, just cut out some middlemen

How do you have "hyperracism" without authoritarianism?

drunk skinhead vigilantism
skinheads are anti-authoritarian racists larping as nazis

Epstein Island phenomenon was is like monarchy in practice

the united kingdom confirms this

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Reading on it online, it sounds retarded, like every monarchism based "we don't like how democracy results in an unelected cabal controlling us, so let's have an unelected cabal control us that we can't elect out".

Having individual city states with the idea people will move out is retarded because people are staying due to family and land.

It sounds more like an ideology to destroy the west.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

its try hard shit
"hyper racism " is just racism for example, hyper just added to seem cool
the problem

The problem is the OP hasn't actually been reading up on these ideas theyre trying to talk about.

hyper-racism is Nick Land for example, and its not 'regognizing racism', its literally that we're on the verge of homo-post sapien and soon were going to have genetically modified human beings who look at homo-sapiens like we look at the homo-neanderthalis, not whatever internet racism thing he thinks hes talking about.

-Tearing down of 'The Cathedral' - Consists of the Media, Elite Academia, and Public Service Workers, and their near religious belief in crazy progressive ideals, and their supression of anything that goes against them (similar to the churches of the medieval days)

This is Deluze and Guattari, for example.

I can remember a decade ago when this stuff was a lot more obscure, when it was associated with accelerationism, and when Moldbug microblogged in those circles. Moldbug is a great historian, but at this point, he has too much mainstream fame and his stuff is constantly paraded around by midwits. His twitter is pretty fun though.

-Hyper capitalism - The expectation is that people will vote with their feet and move away if their hyper capitalistic local government does not provide for them, and that hyper capitalism will reduce corruption and oligarchies. We can already see the problems with modern day capitalism (or whatever twisted version of it that exists now of the idea), where corporations are willing to do anything as long as the shareholders are pleased, the customer and employee be damned. People in power will do anything to maintain that power, removal of all regulations will just allow them to do so much easier.

None of this stuff means what you said it means, and not going to even get to the 'what is a body without organs, but an egg for something in the future' and the hyper-capitalism that dark enlightenment types actually talk about, but this is not what the term means.

Monarchy sort of works for Moldbug, but nRX casuals types focus too much there when the ideology literally branches off in completely different directions. Its a dull topic for people obsessed with paradox games.

 

[Thinspirational faggot]

The problem is the OP hasn't actually been reading up on these ideas theyre trying to talk about.

iam always wondering if people actually read these books and understand these ideas when they talk about them.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Monarchists in the modern day are even more retarded and delusional than Pol Pot defenders.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

"Neo-monarchism vs. democracy vs. authoritarianism" is already an ass-backwards frame. It's an argument over which parasite is friendlier while drinking your blood.
It doesn't matter if it's crowns, ballots, "enlightened CEOs", or holy symbols, it's all the same institution of people who produce nothing living off those who produce goods.

The state is just organized predation, and whether the excuse is "divine right", "consent of the governed", or some Yarvin "efficiency" larp does not matter in the slightest. Every flavor boils down to one group claiming that your body and your property are theirs. That's slavery.
Even the "cathedral" idea is just a symptom. Every state in history has needed priests and intellectuals to launder and whitewash its legitimacy. Whether the useful idiot is wearing one of those fancy priest hats or a PhD cap, the function is identical.

"Hyper-racism", "hyper-capitalism", all those buzzwords are fucking retarded and you should stop wasting your time treating them as if they were meaningful and valid. These buzzwords were only invented to keep people like you in a loop of confusion, to reduce the risk of you asking the real question. The only real divide is parasitism vs production, and not democracy vs monarchy or authoritarianism. Everything else is window dressing for the same racket.

 

[LemonMice]

Democracy resulting in Tyranny of the Masses - We previously had restrictions on who could vote in the past, but now anyone basically can. So the idiots will vote for whatever politician promises the most gibs and not whats best for the long run.

That is what happens to multi-racial and sometimes mult-ethnic democracies. It works well for homogenous societies, you just have to deal with the oligarch cycle once every couple generations.

Authoritarianism - Can lead to order and massive reduction in crime, as seen in countries like Singapore

More like getting rid of some individual rights for the collective social good. NW europeans used to do that in past eras. Euthanizing repeat criminals, being harsh on drug addicts, basically deal with the lowlife shenanigans and they won't be a social menace.

Hyperracism - There are scientifically proven differences between people of different races, and pretending they don't exist does not help anyone

Why stop there? You do realize those differences are from evolutionary mechanics? Sub-speciation split happened to the OOA migration around 40k years ago with west eurasians/east eurasian. Still generally dumb black niggers, but stopped looking like niggers 20k years later. Then neolithic revolution happened 10k years later. Civilization got increasing more complex, which selected for higher intelligence over the millennia alongside reducing Schizos and selecting for useful personality traits. In bronze age Europe, a massive cultural obsession with fair features happened, greatly influencing sexual selection. Aryans were Iron age Western steppe herders who were the fairest and mostly nordic unlike their swarthy early bronze age WSH ancestors (did not look like south asians, just similar to a darker version of North Euros).

And evolutionary mechanics also proves classists were right as well. Whites from a professional background family, with several generations of doctors, scientists, engineers, dentists, fighter pilots, etc are genetically superior to working class whites and probably has a different genotype. They have a different bell curve and regress to a different mean if they stay within a breeding pool that has similar multi-generational family backgrounds.

As a based peasant rebellion enjoyer I hate monarchist fags.

Peasant Antisemitism is the best kind of Antisemitism

Working class whites don't even think about Jews. Nazi party would have went nowhere without upper class backing, and those types were going to punish Jews for their leading role in communism. They just wanted to expel them, it got out of hand unfortinately.

Upper class whites tend to be genetically superior to working class whites. A gifted White from a multi-generational professional family versus a gifted White with a working class background will produce less dumb whites as they regress to a different average (regression to mean does not happen every generation though). Genotype diffed.

There's a reason why the upper class produces way more gifted whites than the working class per capita.

Be racist. Be a classist. Be a realist.

ts literally that we're on the verge of homo-post sapien and soon were going to have genetically modified human beings who look at homo-sapiens like we look at the homo-neanderthalis

Are you sure? I thought transhumanism (cool superhuman kind) was pretty far away. That genetic improvement was going to come from embryo selection or IVFcuckery to elite donors until that tech is ready.

Having individual city states with the idea people will move out is retarded because people are staying due to family and land.

It can work if the city-states aren't in Eurasia or Africa, but far enough away from those continents like Iceland. Genetic cluster-geography relation says having no borders will result in political horrorshows in the old world as things get set right again the ugly way. The entire old world is not our home, only a slice of it, and genetic clusters dictates where that home is.

"dark enlightenment" sounds mega dumb
dark things aint enlightened, enlightening removes darkness

The enlightment brought classic progressivism, which is the foundation of the modern world, and a lot of Galton's eugenics policies can be found in western societies (not all related to genetics, it had a different meaning back then).

Enlightenment says no greater ambition exists other than progressing civilization and maybe trying to reach the summit. Which is true imo. Ever since science discovered genes were behind our inherent consitution, this is what happened: Evolutionist (Source of inherent group differences) --> Eugenicist (exploit selection to increase the good stats, reduce bad stats) ----> Transhumanist (genetic engineering, human evolution that only technology can achieve) ---> Really good times roll for a long time.

Transhumanism ends the racial and class hierarchy, as they are from inherent genetic group differences. The asshole, racist, classist eugenicist indirectly gets the job done. Egaliterians attack the hierarchy without understanding where it actually comes from. They have to believe in blank slate theory, otherwise then they are knowingly causing a predictable disaster as the hierarchy was not arbitary, it was powerered by real, inherent differences.

Every state in history has needed priests and intellectuals to launder and whitewash its legitimacy. Whether the useful idiot is wearing one of those fancy priest hats or a PhD cap, the function is identical.

Celtic Druids say hello. Judean priests say hello. Priest class was what the high IQ types did, and since society was not that technologically advanced, raw intelligence had few useful occupations. Other than administering law, offering useful political services, and general problem solving. They were fucking useless and made up BS occupations like "healing" or "divination" or "rituals". Priest class outright leeched off those who produced goods, but that has changed except for the humanity and social science types (and they've infected STEM sadly).

Scientific revolution and Industrial revolution started increasing the value of raw intelligence as they could know enter advanced occupations that are essential to modern civilization. They can adapt better to a changing society that gets more and more technological advanced like it is now.

The only real divide is parasitism vs production

Smart fraction theory is gaining more evidence, it seems to be mostly people on the far-right side of the bell curve running most of the economy and advancing society. The working class is just losing value, and the class conflict is going to get worse. I can't think of anything else other than IVF cuckery to put working class people's contributions on par with professional class people's contributions.

Imo, the best ideology for the west is realism, classic prog minus some egaliterian cosmopolitian faggotry, doing things for collective social good at the expense of induividual rights especially with repeat criminals. Setting things right by making societies homogenouous again with a trival amount of nons. West cannot be identified as the west if the body is not majority European (I'm aware middle easterners have roles in the west as well).

 

[Zorak Prison Pod]

Moldbug is a snob who deliberately makes his essays longer than they need to be to weed out those who...value their time, I guess?

He's just a right-wing version of the communist from that Stonetoss comic who is disgusted by the thought of shaking hands with a working man.

So good luck with your monarchist revolution you chinless faggot. Sorry I didn't have fourteen hours set aside to absorb your genius ideas, I had more exciting things to do like organizing my sock drawer.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

i hope peter thiel slips on an ice cube and hits his head on the floor then dies

 

[Smoltine Kiminal]

being harsh on drug addicts

this was invented by the americans with their prohibition

Working class whites don't even think about Jews. Nazi party would have went nowhere without upper class backing, and those types were going to punish Jews for their leading role in communism. They just wanted to expel them, it got out of hand unfortinately.

nonsense from start to end
hating jews is the hobby of every good honest lower class man for about as long as jews are in europe

Transhumanism ends the racial and class hierarchy

on the contrary, transhumanism will end in entrenched and highly stratified castes where

Whites from a professional background family are genetically superior to working class whites

is actually true, and not just your cuck fetish

OOA migration around 40k years ago with west eurasians/east eurasian. Still generally dumb black niggers, but stopped looking like niggers 20k years later.

OOA is false, negros are homo erectus
20k years is far too short for such enormous differences

I can't think of anything else other than IVF cuckery.

yes i see, please touch grass

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

He's just a right-wing version of the communist from that Stonetoss comic who is disgusted by the thought of shaking hands with a working man.

Marx, for all his flaws, actually tried organizing political parties, created political structures and took political action. Yarvin is just a ivory tower academic who just spews vitriol at people. He fundamentally confuses politics with polemics.