Why does peke keep saying spic?

>>103759655 #
Wait I just noticed the other thread isn’t anywhere near the limit, fucking retard OP

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i only watch one jp vsj

>>103757845 (OP) #
Stop removing the image source line ya dingus
https://x.com/LichVtuber/status/1958257113463173586

>>103757845 (OP) #
Actual previous thread
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>>103757845 (OP) #
FRUSSY MY BELOVED

>>103759687 #
Bro, you're not very bright

Do you think Froot actually has a Deku bowl?

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EVIL WOMAN

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>>103763910 #
Well it actually exists so I'm going to say yes

>>103763910 #
Why is that something unbelievable to you?

>>103763910 #
of course, she unironically has a whole shrine dedicated to him

>>103763956 #
Because you expect someone who's a big fan to be buying stuff like posters pins keychains plushes and merch items. Not so much stuff you eat out of lmao

I really did flip the switch about Meicha here. I'm glad. The beastiez, and idol group basically gave me room to ruin his reputation. People don't want him posted here. So I after my delightfully delightful plan decided to ask. Can we thread ban Meicha like we did with silver on 8? I mean. He's basically thread banned already. On the account I enabled his trolls, got people to filter his name, and larped as a fan of his to make one anon think im just doing it for his sake. I truly am the master manopulator.

>>103763958 #
She's just like me...
(with my oshi, not deku)

>>103763978 #
Why would you consider a themed bowl off limits for fans?

I love Mei

>>103763981 #
>manopulator
can you try being the master of not sounding like you're esl

I'm glad Michi's chat talked her out of buying back her own bought-and-paid-for merch from VShojo. The talent get too fixated on wanting to make sure people get the merch at all costs, but lose sight of the fact that people buy merch because they like and want to support you the streamer. The last thing they want is to see you out even more money, because you gave it to the corpo that already fucked you (and them) over.

Would you draw Deku yaoi for Froot?

>>103763981 #
least obvious silverfag 8sperg larp

>>103763981 #
Actual delusion.

>>103764031 #
Stop the larp retard. Nobody likes him. He's a failing 3 view. All the new xvsj members better are then him.
>>103764061 #
I am not eal

>>103763981 #
Take your meds.

>>103764074 #
I mean my I can't really draw anything besides stick figures. But I could draw a stick figure fucking another stick figure in the butt if she really wanted

>>103764074 #
If i was an artist, sure.
In the meantime, I could cosply as Deku and get railed by someone else, I think she'll be fine with that too.

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>>103764108 #
I'm not. I bought the Mei plush. It's on a shelf directly above my PC riding on top of a Machinedramon plastic model.

>>103764184 #
did you fuck it

>>103764210 #
No but it is a bit dusty since I haven't cleaned that model in a while and I just plopped her on top lol

>>103764110 #
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>>103764100 #
It's not delusion. You don't get it. I am the pariah. The master manipulator. For months I have manipulated this thread calculating and tasking myself to find the best way to turn you against the troons and troon enablers. Arisperg? Me. Manufactured. I hated that bitch. I only stopped after she BTFO'd the troon. Zensperg? I roleplayed as a gecko after the doc came out to put him in his place for what he did. He brought Sigrid and kept the troon Meicha relevant. Geega pirate software? That's me. I post that because she should be punished for bringing Meicha into the sphere. My whole goal is to destabilize this thread and punish those who hurt me. Ari, Meicha, Silver, Geega, and Connor will get what's coming to them. I am the master manipulator. God. I am a fucking god.
>>103764184 #
Nice larp retard. He's a man by the way.

>>103764230 #
I'd let her plop on top of me if you know what I mean

>>103764258 #
amnesia anon you can stop the Karo now it’s a bit too on the nose. try to be more subtle next time

Bring me Melody.

>>103764258 #
Now you are going to tell us you are also Evil momo

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>>103764394
What is bro YAPPING about

>>103764258 #
geega piratesoftware is actually me you lying piece of shit

>>103764394
I dont think you did a good job tho

>>103763342 → #
I see i see
I'll try to keep it a bit simpler at first and build it up more next time
I will say though that regional prompt did work pretty well for what it spat out up until the point it gave up trying to sharpen/focus the image at all

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAi6Iar0Go [Open]

Anyone who starts their post with "I'm not delusional" is very clearly delusional.

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>>103764479 #
Isnt that alice madness return ost?

>>103764479 #
Sex

>>103764438 #
geega sperg is a (you) giver to the mei sperg
why am i not surprised
then again i am a (you) giver to the (you) giver to the mei sperg
so

>>103764394
Hey there Palpatine, I like Mei and Ari just fine. And Mei is a woman. Gonna go maker dinner while you foam at the mouth over that statement.

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>>103764522 #
whachu staring at?

>>103764548 #
yes, and based choice

>>103764580 #
What are you making for dinner?

>>103764570 #
why does everyone had to be a sperg? I just like to make fun of geega and frankly she deserves it

You don't see it because you are all sheep. I have been every sperg for months. >>103764438 #
I stole that from you. You don't know how to wield a good schizo tangent even if it bit you on your cock. This is why I am the master manipulator.

>>103764643 #
Can you bite me on my cock anyway

>>103764643 #
moving goalposts already. I think you’re full of shit you’re just some fag larping

kuro is drowning

>>103764805 #
in pussy

>>103764827 #
Yeah mine

vsjtardnigger

>>103764258 #
you will never be petschizo

geega blushing would be really cute

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Love Beri

>>103764943 #
making love to beri

>>103764891 #
Miss him sometimes. I always thought he was funny and never overstayed his welcome.he got banned pretty quickly

Imagine being a vtuber and not streaming on a Friday night to your shut-in fans with their fresh paychecks from Staples

>>103765006 #
i wish meicha would groom me into being a good girl

>>103765026 #
I'm watching Camila

>>103765018 #
He unironically died. RIP Jelly. You knew too much.

>>103765044 #
Based

>>103764394
I don’t hate any of those, just like I don’t hate Silver. I hate faggots that weaponize them for their shitposting.

>>103765107 #
You should hate the others too.

>>103765053 #
>Camila
gross

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>>103765006 #
>>103765044 #
tabs

>>103765026 #
I get paid on Thursdays. It's too late on Friday.

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>>103765173 #
Meicha is a +

>>103765160 #
true, we like trannies here and we hate women.

>>103765026 #
I get paid on a monthly basis

>>103765160 #
Okay, then I’ll wait for a suggestion.”

>>103765222 #
Been there done that. Fuckin sucks. I like weekly way more

>>103720000 → #
Oh man i just checked the archive, super late reply but can you show me any vtuber themed one?
im sorry fightcade anon i don't go here much anymore

>>103765216 #
I love both. I only hate straightoids

>>103765160 #
Camila is literally in appearance ,personality, and content the same shit as Ironmouse.

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Frooba

>>103765195 #
tabs and troon

>>103765256 #
That doesn't make her sound any better

Numi got flowers for Camimi’s mom she's so nice

nyan sounds like she having fun

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>>103765247 #
And yes i will install fightcade, i just got into it playing sfa3 with ken

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>>103765280 #
no and no

>>103765324 #
I know nothing about making music, but it sounds like she's doing pretty good for her first time

>>103765378 #
yeah its pretty good, she's familiar with a few terms and has a good idea of what effects she wants

>>103765256 #
Camila's personality is nothing like Mouse's (I like them both)

>>103765430 #
also, aethel is being really supportive

mata off till the next sponsor?

>>103765517 #
Yes. You should reach out to companies and beg them to let you see your mom again.

>>103765256 #
I don't care for either of them and even I know that's not true lol

Do you guys like Tori?

>>103765765 #
I haven't watched her really. Going to watch the model debut tho

Mei

thoughts on camilia?

>>103765765 #
basicaly the only vtuber i watch nowdays

>>103765814 #
plap plap plap

>>103765805 #
Kill yourself. We don't like him.
>>103765353 #
Yes and yes. That is a male.

>>103765814 #
Annoying but cute if that make sense

>>103765814 #
jealous the internet let her off the hook for her old antics. they'd never do that shit for my oshi

>>103765852 #
You will never be a 2view Draco.

>>103765914 #
Neurofarm protection is strong

>>103765914 #
what are these old antics

>>103765914 #
qrd?

>>103765026 #
Dumb post I don't have a job lmao

So no mentionned that Henya is live?

>>103766128 #
>>103766082 #
iirc used to be a drama whore and anti-loli. tried to start drama with shondo. made an apology and most people forgave her

>>103766128 #
She hate pedophiles

>>103766283 #
>tried to start drama with shondo
Based

Camila's only sin is making Haruka more depressed

>>103766280 #
no one here watches streams

>>103766356 #
that's like saying judas only has one sin

>>103766280 #
Liked it better when she started an hour earlier from now

>>103766280 #
Why would I announce that Henya is live to all the schizos and shitstirrers

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>>103765765 #
I like her so far, though since she's a Soulslike fan I don't watch her much. Loved the Jurasic Park 2 watchalong though and looking forward to the debut.

Speaking of, if anyone missed that the video version is up on her member's and I assume that'll be public eventually.

>>103766467 #
Yeah that's why I stopped liveposting here
It's just inviting the shitters to watch

>>103763218 → #
You can see the activity of any 7tv user.
What they added, when they did it and who did it
For example
https://7tv.app/users/01HVVN0NE800000R4ZCT3E1978/activity

>>103766529 #
Retard. Liveposting is one of the only ways to counter the schizos

>>103766529 #
I'm only here for the liveposting so fuck you specifically

>>103766936 #
There's no countering this. There's no excising the wound or treating the infection. This thread is gone. I'm only here for news updates and amusement at dramashitters fighting

Tori live

>>103767348 #
all threads are like this it's 4chan. an ocean of shit and piss

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>>103764943 #
DIE, only me she loves the most

>>103767418 #
They are absolutely not
There are several chill generals on /vt/

>>103767438 #
They have jannies that give a shit.

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So like, a majority of VShojo has been on his game show, right?

>>103767418 #
People badposting doesn't somehow erase goodposting. Anyone using the site is used to skimming through a lot of nonsense for the interesting stuff. And at no point was the thread so filled with garbage that you coudln't find funny or interesting gems. Just make good posts yourself and try to engage with other people that do and the quality of the thread goes up. Even one or two people regularly doing this improves the thread immensly. You're clearly concerned about the thread, so why not be a part of what makes it better?

whats the mortality rate of vtuber mods when their oshi gets a bf?

>>103767438 #
Where? because I dont fucking see it fucking retard

>>103767619 #
90%
only the most delusional simps and the ones that spent too much money to quit remain

I miss greega

>>103767348 #
It’s not the schizos that make a thread worse.It’s anons like you. You’re the worst kind of poster. Fuck you

>>103767619 #
idk but man, i've always thought you have to be gay for watching a male vtuber. but man, you have to be worse to be a cuck to watch a male vtuber while youre oshi is on it AND your a mod for her?
fuck me, i'd rather find a 9-5 job.

Ironmouse isnt real

ne
yea yea yea yea
ne

>>103767605 #
I don't know about a majority but Zen, Geega (twice), Mel, Mouse, and now Kson have. He should really get Kuro on though I bet Kuro would thrive on the show

>>103767705 #
You only watch vtubers because you want to fuck them? Nothing else?

>>103767894 #
yes

>>103767643 #
If it smells like shit everywhere you go and all that

>>103767699 #
Oh wow I'm gonna lose a lot of sleep being called a bad poster from a tribalfaggot waging fanbase wars on /xvsj/ every day

>>103767741 #
You're not real, man

>>103767958 #
Not surprising from a jobless loser

>>103768039 #
please don't project so hard

>>103767605 #
>matara
>mouse
>mel
>geega
>zentreya
That's all of them, right?

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>>103767970 #
Im asking were are those so called good thread on vt?

>>103767861 #
surprised nyan and aethel haven't been on it considering they're friends of mike

>>103768053 #
We all know you're a jobless loser. It's not hard to tell. You're a retard who mixes up your and you're and doesn't want to work. You only watch vtubers to make up for the lack of pussy in your personal life.

Why do YOU not like Henya?

>>103768270 #
no tits

>>103768270 #
ne

>>103768105 #
If I don't livepost in this thread because I don't want you roaches crawling into those streams, what makes you think I'm gonna tell you about threads you can infest?

>>103768270 #
she's a jobless loser who only likes vtubers to make up the the lack of pussy in her life

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https://x.com/zentreya/status/1959026788497084465
I believe this is a preview of Zen's updated Cyber model. It seems like she's going for a more mature look.

>>103768303 #
You sound so joyless and soulless that I actually feel bad for you.

>>103768398 #
she is embracing her hagness, i cant wait

>>103768270 #
The 2nd VA sucks.

>>103768270 #
She associates with p*ppa
Also she does too much just chatting even though she's not very good at it

>>103768628 #
Pippa will eventually be collabing with more xvsj girls. One day you're gonna have to tolerate her.

Say something NICE about Froot

>>103768698 #
Nah, I just won't watch those streams.

>>103768736 #
I want her to peg me.

>>103768698 #
>One day you're gonna have to tolerate her
Meow no

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>>103768736 #
I love her gremlin noises

>>103768736 #
she has a nice rack

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>>103768832 #
Anons taking all the ideas for my post.

>>103768736 #
Uh, oh! She's a really good singer.

Mouse doko?

>>103768736 #
She's British

>>103767619 #
How many of Nyan's mods stayed when he hooked up with shekelstan?

>>103768947 #
>shekelstan
Since when is aethel jewish?

>>103767619 #
>mortality
you probably meant morality because mods don't care as long that they still get paid but they show their frustration by taking it on chatters which results in mods power abuse

>>103768939 #
She will probably be on late

>>103769019 #
since Aethel gotten that Guy Gardner haircut awhile back

okay guys if we REALLY want purple yuri to last we have to make up as many Rrats as possible. Most relationships like this live off proving people wrong so if we just pretend like its wrong and they should break up then even if they get into the abusive lesbian phase they wont break up just to prove us wrong!

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>>103769128 #
numi stop panicking you slay even when you're blonde

>>103769030 #
>but they show their frustration by taking it on chatters which results in mods power abuse
Has there actually been any example of this happening after a vtuber gets a boyfriend?
Nyan's mods are some of the chillest mods for ex-vshojos. Vei's mods can get pretty abusive but that was already the case before she started dating Soda.

>>103769226 #
I don't like this model

>>103769253 #
It’s also getting a rework

>>103769128 #
Bro can only have lesbian sex if its taboo.
Just be happy numi.

>>103769253 #
Is this Kevin?

kinda curious do you guys find bgm of what henya having right now nice to listen to? for me it's so annoying and don't why everyone ues this kind of bgm

>>103769128 #
I want them to work out but Numi is fairly aromantic and sexual while Michi is possibly asexual but romantic. I think that will become a hurdle.

>>103769402 #
No that’s henya

>>103769403 #
I LIKE IT. IT'S KINDA NOSTALGIC TO ME

>>103769402 #
yes, it's one of his aberrations

>>103769408 #
There was a conversation a while ago about how people claim to be asexual just to get people off their back about their personal life. It's kinda the safe default for people now.
But if she truly is asexual then your right, sexual tension can make or break some relationships.

Henya's not even even watching this

>>103769554 #
Michi talked about how she tried a dating app for girls and got repelled the moment conversations would turn sexual

>>103769554 #
I dunno man, the toothbrush convo then the showerhead convo. I think Michi might legitimately be ace lol. No way was she faking that shit.

>>103769607 #
she does that a lot. She will put something on basically just to baby sit chat.

>>103768939 #
BF will stream again so probably no stream again.

>>103769646 #
A week of fingerbanging prescribed from Dr. Numi will fix that right up

>>103769607 #
her reaction become so fake she just put a video for chat to watch while saying some random japanese shit i can't find her entertaining anymore

>>103769661 #
True. It's hard to believe anyone would be that ignorant with out trying. But also also, the way she grew up seemed restricting in many ways so i also don't doubt she would be sheltered to that stuff.

I hate Henya.

>>103769768 #
focus on enjoying time with your dad

>>103769749 #
Yeah that's why I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions with her. She gets extremely shy and weirded out by that, but she grew up as a fucking girl in Indonesia lmao. Of course she's going to have a shitload of hangups about sex, especially if it's outside of marriage.

Does Henya understand it's her responsibility as a streamer to entertain her audience?

>>103769784 #
fuck you

Why are we hating Henya all of a sudden? Reeks of tourism.

>>103769908 #
Some retard samefagging

>>103769908 #
Sided with mouse and ari

>>103769908 #
Because her stream has been horrible so far, she's been preoccupied with something the entire time.

I don’t know, it feels like I’m just watching TV while my daughter’s doing her homework.

after the veibae tweet, i never do it for free anymore.
anyone else?

>>103769697 #
A week of getting fucked in the ass by another guy will turn you into a homo

What's Henya working on?

>>103769973 #
I've been suing VShojo for backpay ever since that tweet dropped

>>103769908 #
Retards bored

What's Vei working on?

>>103770003 #
shaving her pussy

>>103769908 #
this general has been filled with tourists and bait since vshojo fell. Anyone still expecting reasonable discussion here is retarded as fuck.

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Meanwhile the Momos

>>103769532 #
Kevin only rigs, the design is ass on top of the rigs being junky.

>>103769928 #
>>103770025 #
Whelp, you're both faggots

What's Mata working on?

>>103769977 #
Only if I like it I do

whats mel working on?

what's the rock cooking

>>103770049 #
Something about that wall pattern fills me with a deep inexplicable rage and I have no idea why.

>>103770044 #
So discussion isn't reasonable if we're being critical of a streamer? fuck off

>>103769787 #
>I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions with her.
I agree, which is why i think its weird for people to say/believe she's ace. personally i think there is more to ace then just being repulsed by the idea of sex with someone you aren't attracted to because thats pretty much every sexual orientation.

>>103769973 #
Vei never said they hired anyone to do it. She said they did it on their own. MTD even outed himself here before.

>>103770082 #
the wall of unconscionable rage bait

>>103770049 #
what it means

momo's confirmed cucks.

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>>103770147 #
they are in the cuck chair

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>>103770147 #
We get around, we fuck around, and sometimes we spent time in the cuck chair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QDJDRU4644 [Open]

Why is Mouse's Minecraft server taking so long to make? I don't understand. It can be done in one day and she can easily afford the cost of the server.

>>103770027 #
my dick

>>103770049 #
the thumbnail looks like a zoomed in scrotum

this bitch really not reaction to anything holy fuck do t stream if you have work need finishing of stream weren't her to ger babysitting

>>103770219 #
Oh shit, the next Cynthoni and Mel song dropped. It's the one I was looking forward to the most as well. I'm glad these weren't cancelled.

>>103770219 #
Noice

>>103770253 #
Anon is having a stroke

Anyone see Geega at animenyc

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"verified accounts only chat"
yea no.

>>103770253 #
The whole point of the stream is to show people that's she personally signing the visas for her fans. She's not good at multitasking or chatting in general, which is why she has the gaming video up to provide the entertainment.

>>103770219 #
I gave it a listen and it's just as good as all of Cynthoni's music. I really liked how Cynthoni is able to make even Mel's singing sound really good.

>>103770027 #
on how to tie rope around her neck

What is it about Vei that attracts these schizos?

What is it about Henya that attracts chuds?

I hope Vei jumps off a tall oak chair

>>103770454 #
Fernando's been around for years and hating her the entire time. He will not stop and we don't have jannies sophisticated enough to recognize him and kill him on sight.

>>103770454 #
im just happy that shes in friends with xvsj again.
that, and the fact that her streaming career is tanking. so once soda pump and dumps her, higher chance of me to swoop in.

trust the process.

Mouse is really evil to Zen let's be real

>>103770625 #
she won't fuck you unless you're a rich streamer, all her bfs including dead ones streamed at some point

>>103770625 #
She's already cheating on Soda with Tectone.

>>103770654 #
shes sayton after all did you expect nothing more?

This thread sucks

Zen is really evil to Henya let's be real

>>103770625 #
all her exs stream lol
you need to be at least be rich rich.
high maintenance bitches aint it bro.

Just jerked off to an evil vtuber

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This thread sucks

>>103769681 #
its a late night nyan collab and tomorrow also

RIP FROOT
https://x.com/LichVtuber/status/1959064323474502043

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>>103770777 #
same

>>103770834 #
I remember having roller skates
when i was 12

who raided tori?

>>103770812 #
what time is late

>>103770834 #
Thinking about Froot's Instagram photos and now I'm imagining a tiny lady in a full goth outfit with purple skates and protective gear trying to learn how to balance herself.

>>103770900 #
you know how mouse is could be next hour or 6 hours from now

>>103770834 #
She's gonna die

>>103770834 #
Accurate sized feet.

>>103770812 #
Source?
Only Mouse stream I know that's happening soon is a vein gang collab tomorrow night

>>103770834 #
She'll be fine as long as she doesn't damage her phylactery.

Damn only Pia commented under Mel's tweet. She's really alone now fuck all of them.

>froot mentrioned
>thread wakes up
Coincidence?

>>103770834 #
>goth girl
>hot
>80 50 80
...
>small feet
that's a no for me dawg. unsub unfollowed blocked

>>103770874 #
Bao/Limes
Next time, you can just check TwitchTracker and go to the timestamp that corresponds with the spike in viewers (hover over the graph to get the timestamp)
https://twitchtracker.com/torioriane/streams/325967133692

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Stop cycling

name anything more white than mfs rollerskating
(other than mfs ice skating)

>>103771075 #
Henya

>>103771075 #
heavenly.

>>103768120 #
Aethel just raided him lol

>>103771075 #
Kuro

>>103771075 #
being a cuck

>>103771075 #
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThcM_KFGcIY [Open]

>>103770993 #
Frootposters are xvsj+'s strongest warriors.

I am unironically in love with Geega

>>103771075 #
Obsessing over Avatar the last airbender

I am ironically in love with Geega
She's gonna be devastated when she finds out I was just fuckin w her

>>103771409 #
You take that back now. ATLA is a top tier show.

>>103771409 #
>Try to remember the stream I saw recently where someone was doing exactly that
>It was the con walkaround with Ari and Henya
>Ari (White) was trying to get Henya(Not white) to watch it
>Oscar (Latino) didn't know anything about it
Yeah okay.