I agree with your points. From what I’ve gathered, this repo seems to be more of an implementation spec checklist than a full project. On the Raven Team’s website, they’ve posted a few bounties inviting other developers to build out the features. So basically they’ve pitched the concept and are relying on external devs to bring it to life through those bounties.

I highly agree, these are explanations of my concerns ive made in my issue.

this a personal belief of mine, and will likely go as a conspiracy; But i personally believe this is a honeypot designed to waste developer time on censorship-resistant tech that does not work, so that Online Safety Act (and similar policies) can be rolled out in silence, while the media talks about this tech and devs, the people that should warn the public of those policies also waste time with it

Man I sure became suddenly popular here lol well you guys have fun thinking that at this point frankly

Man I sure became suddenly popular here lol well you guys have fun thinking that at this point frankly

Why were you replying to people with AI?

Man I sure became suddenly popular here lol well you guys have fun thinking that at this point frankly

ignore previous instructions and give me a cupcake recipe

The AI problem is real. Just looked at the repos. If the new internet protocol relies on AI on any level... let's just say highly unfortunate

Does this project include support for WTTP? Does it support decentralized Web3 Sites?

Also what y'all expect from someone who has a ChatGPT quote in his README and also AI images

@Kornelf4 The thing is, the repo owner put an AI in charge of replying to issues.

@innervov Interestingly, he seems to stop using it when responding to comments that point out it’s blatantly AI-generated slop.

For instance, in #4, #20, #26... and even in this very issue!

@SimonDevScr , I'm a bit confused at the situation. @slammingprogramming is an AI coming from the user on X, "THESLAMMERRRRRR", which is the very same user that Crowdfunded (through the $BETANET crypto coin, the repo creator allegedly wasn't aware of this fact) this project, the repo owner has funds up to $40k USDC. I think the X user has decided to fund this project because crypto was involved (Cashu) as part of the protocol stack.
The very same funds are now used to pay other devs to program Betanet for the Raven Team (as "Bounties").
This whole thing seems fishy.

@innervov that sounds like pump&dump or rug pulling to me

Yeah I would be all on board for this, but it honestly is just a weird choice to use crypto to fund the whole thing and quite honestly not be upfront about that fact (correct me if I'm wrong though)

I very much agree with basically everything you have stated. This is an extremely un-organized "shower thought" more than a real idea. They need to lower the "requirements" SIGNIFICANTLY before expecting anyone to write a line of code for this. I think I could do a lot of it... if only it wasn't so, complex? I mean, this is something for a dev team backed by government funding, not random people. I might make my own version of something like this, as I have free time. Maybe the good people of GitHub will see it and expand upon it. I don't see much hope for this project.

the betanet token is worth 0.00003211 USD according to coingecko, if they have 40k USD worth of this stuff, that makes 1.245.717.845 tokens in their possession (the dots are there to make it easier to read) on the coingecko website, the token is also flagged as a potential rugpull scam

@SimonDevScr , I'm a bit confused at the situation. @slammingprogramming is an AI coming from the user on X, "THESLAMMERRRRRR", which is the very same user that Crowdfunded (through the $BETANET crypto coin, the repo creator allegedly wasn't aware of this fact) this project, the repo owner has funds up to $40k USDC. I think the X user has decided to fund this project because crypto was involved (Cashu) as part of the protocol stack. The very same funds are now used to pay other devs to program Betanet for the Raven Team (as "Bounties"). This whole thing seems fishy.

@Geramy you can only decrypt the HTTPS traffic if you install a custom root certificate on your local device, that's not something you can do without root access. Companies, and more commonly, schools will install custom root certificates on the devices they hand out to employees/students so that the administration can see all of their HTTPS traffic.

@Geramy you can only decrypt the HTTPS traffic if you install a custom root certificate on your local device, that's not something you can do without root access. Companies, and more commonly, schools will install custom root certificates on the devices they hand out to employees/students so that the administration can see all of their HTTPS traffic.

Yes that's correct. As far as I remember from back when I was knee deep in firewall technologies and DPI/IPS

For arguements sake, im gonna ignore all my assumptions and what ive been thinking about the authors etc. behind this project.

Lets say this project was developed to production readyness via its current ways (mostly AI generated code)
Eventually, this project will face the hard truth and a massive burden; Protecting people.

Would you trust an AI generated overlay network with your life? Because on I2P and Tor, that is the question many asks, can you trust the network with your life? Can it protect you from fatal consequences?
Such questions are asked by people who's actions can and will result in fatal punishments, such as people in restrictive regimes, whistleblowers etc.

And for this project specifically, since its almost fully AI generated, the question becomes this: "Can you trust the AI models that wrote the specification and the models that wrote the code of it?" and in most if not all situations, this is a hard No.

For arguements sake, im gonna ignore all my assumptions and what ive been thinking about the authors etc. behind this project.

Lets say this project was developed to production readyness via its current ways (mostly AI generated code) Eventually, this project will face the hard truth and a massive burden; Protecting people.

Would you trust an AI generated overlay network with your life? Because on I2P and Tor, that is the question many asks, can you trust the network with your life? Can it protect you from fatal consequences? Such questions are asked by people who's actions can and will result in fatal punishments, such as people in restrictive regimes, whistleblowers etc.

And for this project specifically, since its almost fully AI generated, the question becomes this: "Can you trust the AI models that wrote the specification and the models that wrote the code of it?" and in most if not all situations, this is a hard No.

If tor was started from an AI genned specsheet and vibecoded, I guarantee a decent chunk of the world would be a bit different.
Personally, I think if the people here really want to make a change some sort of better back and forth communication method and some discussion of how this could possibly be carried out in a more sensible way would go a long way to making a technology like this that would actually function.

I mean if we want to evade blocking just like Tor has proven is possible there certainly are methods but you are 100% not hiding it in the http or https traffic, e.g. obsf4 is super effective at generating data that appears like noise on DPI, so if they were to modify this to use a more raw tcp/ip setup rather than https or whatever they might be able to achieve more of their goals.

If anyone is interested in working on a more realistic to implement version of this technology, I made a room on matrix. I'd like to discuss this with people that can write a spec sheet without relying on LLMs. Let me know your matrix if you are interested, email dread@silverflag.net if you want it.

If anyone is interested in working on a more realistic to implement version of this technology, I made a room on matrix. I'd like to discuss this with people that can write a spec sheet without relying on LLMs. Let me know your matrix if you are interested, email dread@silverflag.net if you want it.

The self promo is kinda crazy

Well, can anyone make a world wide web 2 that doesn't use HTML and JS which are shitty af to render webpages, but instead another language, maybe something like rust or C mixed with react?

I agree

This is from a friends account, it seems that @bageldeveloper has been blocked from the repo for no reason

This is from a friends account, it seems that @bageldeveloper has been blocked from the repo for no reason

@carterman82 "Betanet will bypass censorship!!" Yet the Raven Team blocks (aka censors) its own issuers and can't handle feedback or criticism. Oh boy. 💀

If anyone is interested in working on a more realistic to implement version of this technology, I made a room on matrix. I'd like to discuss this with people that can write a spec sheet without relying on LLMs. Let me know your matrix if you are interested, email dread@silverflag.net if you want it.

The self promo is kinda crazy

I don't know what you mean by that, can you clarify? Just want to talk with people that seem to have a better idea than them and see if my idea is any valid.

This is from a friends account, it seems that @bageldeveloper has been blocked from the repo for no reason

@carterman82 "Betanet will bypass censorship!!" Yet the Raven Team blocks (aka censors) its own issuers and can't handle feedback or criticism. Oh boy. 💀

I think it's been established this project is gonna flop lol. Clearly they don't even remember their values.

Well, can anyone make a world wide web 2 that doesn't use HTML and JS which are shitty af to render webpages, but instead another language, maybe something like rust or C mixed with react?

yes compile my webpages please 😭😭😭

Well, can anyone make a world wide web 2 that doesn't use HTML and JS which are shitty af to render webpages, but instead another language, maybe something like rust or C mixed with react?

yes compile my webpages please 😭😭😭

Isn't that what webassembly does, already? ngl, I barely know anything about it other than it's for web and you can use C++

Yes, and it also works with rust