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[–]cursedsoldiers 18 points19 points  (1 child)

If reality contradicts theory, reality must be wrong.  It's praxeology, I ain't gotta explain shit.

[–]Fairytaleautumnfox Mallsoftism 12 points13 points  (0 children)

And this, kids, is what cult members sound like.

[–]AGiantPotatoMan Post-Right Anarchism[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Screw the trends! I'm gonna make memes!

[–]maxxiescat Pink Avaritionism 15 points16 points  (0 children)

that’s literally my partner. they outright reject rationalism as a means to make conclusions about the material world.

[–]Act-Puzzled 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Real

[–]riltok Anarcho-Liberalism 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Who needs statistical, historical, sociological, empirical evidence??? Axiomatic deduction goes brrrrrrr!!

[–]luckac69 Ancap Picardism 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Based and logic pilled

[–]RevoEcoSPAnComCat Cocoon Communism 2 points3 points  (9 children)

What is Empiricism?

Can someone tell in full detail?

[–]AGiantPotatoMan Post-Right Anarchism[S] 3 points4 points  (8 children)

Empiricism is when you say that all statements about the world need to be (at the very least) falsifiable. To an empiricist, a statement can only be true if it is proved to be so with experience.

This is opposed to rationalism, which says that a statement about the world is true as long as it is logically irrefutable, regardless of whether or not it has been (or even can be) tested.

[–]RevoEcoSPAnComCat Cocoon Communism 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Are there any Source that can Help me Understand the Concept more?

I'm Curious!

[–]AGiantPotatoMan Post-Right Anarchism[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

This is an AnCap video, but it perfectly captures the perspective of the Austrian School in this meme

[–]RevoEcoSPAnComCat Cocoon Communism 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Then show me.

[–]AGiantPotatoMan Post-Right Anarchism[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Click the β€œthis.” It’s a link to a YouTube vide (in my previous reply)

[–]RevoEcoSPAnComCat Cocoon Communism 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There is no Link.

You must've Forgotten.

[–]AGiantPotatoMan Post-Right Anarchism[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ok here it is:https://youtu.be/cqu-cY7N9Rw?si=oinNu5xjtpgXgggk

[–]RevoEcoSPAnComCat Cocoon Communism 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!

That was a Great and Fascinating video!

[–]wdcipher Pastafarian Theocracy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would reccommend some but I Kant.

[–]Galvius-Orion 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I think there are a good many more balls that may be yeeted into the group. IE all of them because most economic theories, especially those based on people being naturally cooperative good creatures (or those with people being logical creatures, such as the ones shown on here) are complete bull.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Would you hoard tap water?

[–]Poiscail Chaos Undivided 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes.

[–]SemblanceOfSense_ Judicial Anarchism 9 points10 points  (100 children)

Keynesianism has empirically proven it fails time after time. Real austrain economics has never been tried.

[–]Pale_BEN Fanatic Religious Communism 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Austrian economics cannot fail. Only be failed. We have to do it harder this time.

[–]Revolutionary_Apples Voidism 4 points5 points  (17 children)

Look to Argentina, it's definitely looking good for y'all. /s

[–]MenKlash Optimism 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As an Argentine, Milei is not applying the Austrian theory at all. I'd say his economic plan is more based in Free-Market Neoclassical theories.

[–]SemblanceOfSense_ Judicial Anarchism 1 point2 points  (15 children)

https://fee.org/articles/javier-milei-delivers-argentina-s-first-surplus-in-over-a-decade-and-us-media-is-silent/

https://apnews.com/article/argentina-inflation-milei-economy-b742f06a3565fbcea24ff925420adf38

[–]Revolutionary_Apples Voidism 3 points4 points  (14 children)

57% poverty. Hope that surplus is worth it.

[–]The-wirdest-guy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The 57% poverty number is based on a simulation the Catholic University of Argentina ran, NOT actual collected data. What real poverty levels are at will not be available for some time, poverty data simply can’t be collected that fast.

Milei has also stated his shock therapy methods means things will get worse before they get better, he’s fully admitted to this to try and warn everyone he can’t magically fix things. It might shock you to learn this, but the economy does not instantly respond to changes the government makes. The policies of the previous government are likely to be felt for some time. The kinds of problems Argentina is facing will require serious effort to solve and a lot more time to actually reverse than 3 months.

[–]SemblanceOfSense_ Judicial Anarchism 0 points1 point  (12 children)

He's been in office for 100 days. The left wing politicians have been fucking the country up for over a decade. Stuff doesn't change overnight.

[–]Revolutionary_Apples Voidism 5 points6 points  (8 children)

"Left wing"

[–]Sanguine_Caesar 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Bro actually thinks Peronism is left-wing 😭

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

What? It's true

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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[–]MegaAlchemist123 99%ism 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is centrism.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's more like socially right ish and economically lefty

[–]Sanguine_Caesar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"Socialism is when the government does stuff. And it's more socialism the more stuff it does. And if it does a real lot of stuff, it's communism." -You apparently

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't call it socialism, don't put words in my mouth.

I call it leftwing with a huge state and unions that work for Peronist

[–]MWT_blickyy Family Guy Funny Moments #2 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Uh yes it is…

[–]Morfeu321 Anarcho-Polism 0 points1 point  (1 child)

And in 100 days he's done worse than the others did in over a decade lol

[–]SemblanceOfSense_ Judicial Anarchism -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The evidence is not with that statement

[–]MegaAlchemist123 99%ism -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol that's literally what all left-wing politicians say after they get into office.

[–]Fairytaleautumnfox Mallsoftism 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And hopefully, it never will be.

[–]Karma-is-here 99%ism -2 points-1 points  (78 children)

Keynesianism generally works, but prioritizing laisser-faire capitalism often negates it.

Oh, and it is such a relief austrian economics were never actually completely implemented, I can’t imagine the suffering that would cause.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (77 children)

Suffering? More like greater prosperity.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

What do you think would happen?

Decades of leftwing policies led to half of their workforce being a parasite bureaucrat.

This needs to happen if the economy is to heal and stop this lefty economic bs.

In 5 to 10 years, you'll see a more natural economy with the people not depending on the state for wages with 100% inflation

poverty rate increases by 10% within a month

Within a monthπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚, I love how you lefty types try to make him look bad, either you are making intellectually false claim or you don't know economics at all

If the country is to heal, this needs to happen

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This needs to happen if the economy is to heal and stop this lefty economic bs.

Go look at Russia under Yeltsin and tell me how that ended

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you saying Yeltsin follows Austrian economis?🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣🀣🀑🀑🀑

Left winger are stupider than I thought

[–]MegaAlchemist123 99%ism 0 points1 point  (6 children)

As someone who was 5 years on a school for economics, I never heard such a ideological bs take on economics. Give us atleast a reason how that should help the economy at all. Wtf

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Are you that bad? What did they teached you? How do you think decades of interventionist policies is just going to be reversed?

Economics is not just a "change the policies and results will come" no, it needs more time, Milei needs time

Your question is so bad I don't even know what to say

I never heard such a ideological bs take on economics.

How is that ideological? Are you stupid? You're the one who's ideological, trying to see explosive change in 100 daysπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ€£ and you even went to economics classπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Give us atleast a reason how that should help the economy at all. Wtf

That'll make less people dependent on the govt, which will leave room for the govt to either take less taxes or invest that into the economy or give the debts where they defaulted.

Long term, it will put less strain on the govt, and if it wants to take less taxes, then that'll put less strain on the people which will boost more growth.

Bureaucrats are parasites and politicians put them there so that they can have more permanent voter base.

[–]MegaAlchemist123 99%ism 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Economics is not just a "change the policies and results will come" no, it needs more time, Milei needs time

No one said something against that. It is the fact that his policies just have the Opposite effect right now.

How is that ideological? Are you stupid? You're the one who's ideological

Everyone is ideological, but some takes are Based on Facts, Research and statistics and some are just "well Based on my worldview, it would make sense if:" and is therefore just ideological bs. If your opinion is not Based on Facts, it is not a good argument.

Long term, it will put less strain on the govt, and if it wants to take less taxes, then that'll put less strain on the people which will boost more growth.

Or the people are Less strained and therefore the rich gets more money, while poor people have Less money, the money concentrates itself in the Hand of a few and therefore the economic Stimulation comes to a hold and regresses like in most countries these theories got tried.

Pls just read some books about economics and not some weird manifestos before answering. It helps nobody if you just Scream opinions around without knowledge about the subject.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

No one said something against that. It is the fact that his policies just have the Opposite effect right now

Yes they will, he himself said it, that they need economic shock therapy and it will hurt for a time but will get better

Everyone is ideological

What, what exactly is ideological about what I said?

Facts, it is not a good argument

It was a good argument, you just don't have a counter argument

Or the people are Less strained and therefore the rich gets more money, while poor people have Less money, the money concentrates itself in the Hand of a few and therefore the economic Stimulation comes to a hold and regresses like in most countries these theories got tried

Yes like how it was for 30-50 years under leftwing Peronism. Shot yourself in the foot again

Pls just read some books about economics and not some weird manifestos before answering

I don't read manifesto, I read both sides of the argument before I made my decision.

Lassize faire is better, much better than any form of economics.

It seems you have to stop reading Marx and start with other books from Rothbard, Mises etc.

[–]MegaAlchemist123 99%ism 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yes like how it was for 30-50 years under leftwing Peronism. Shot yourself in the foot again

I shot myself in the foot because I say that something doesn't work and you named another thing that doesn't work? How is that a shot myself moment. Both things are stupid and wrong.

Lassize faire is better, much better than any form of economics.

Can you Provide any evidence for this thesis in reality? Because if not, here is the Statement why your takes are highly ideologically.

It seems you have to stop reading Marx and start with other books from Rothbard, Mises etc.

"I am not ideologically biased you damn commie". Jokes on you, I also don't agree with communism. To Bad your "no u" doesn't work here. You actually need to bring arguments here and not some "but others are Bad or badder than me", that was never a good argument ever. Btw. The fact that you think I read only Marx in a school of economics Shows how distant you are to the whole concept of economic education.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It helps nobody if you just Scream opinions around without knowledge about the subject.

Again give counter argument than saying this. It makes you look bad when you have not argument and just say things like this

[–]Karma-is-here 99%ism 1 point2 points  (65 children)

Greater prosperity

The 20% poor population starves to death, the 5% rich population gets richer

"""Greater prosperity"""

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (63 children)

The 20% poor population starves to death, the 5% rich population gets richer

Yeah a result of decades of Leftwing Peronist economics πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

You just shot yourself in the foot thereπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Either you are making an intellectual false claim or you don't know economics at all

The country has to heal from leftwing policies, and in order to naturally do that the people has to go through bad times, so that it can heal naturally

[–]MegaAlchemist123 99%ism 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Here you said the economy is the Fault of the left. It is stupid to say that you never said something if we can literally just scroll up again and read It for ourselves. But if you begin to contradict yourself just to own someone, your probably not interested in an actual debate. I guess I search for people who are atleast consistent with themselves.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Here you said the economy is the Fault of the left.

True, the economy of Argentina

It is stupid to say that you never said something if we can literally just scroll up again and read It for ourselves

What exactly are you talking about? Are you talking to yourself?

But if you begin to contradict yourself just to own someone, your probably not interested in an actual debate. I guess I search for people who are atleast consistent with themselves.

How am I contradicting myself?

I am interested in a debate

How am I not consistent?

[–]Karma-is-here 99%ism 0 points1 point  (60 children)

Ain’t no way you’re serious πŸ’€

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (59 children)

So you don't have anymore argument

[–]MegaAlchemist123 99%ism 0 points1 point  (3 children)

"I don't have arguments, but because I don't like your arguments I win this discussion" - you, probably.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Are you that stupid or ideologicallly biased

I gave a good argument and all he had to say was "ain't no way you're serious"

[–]MegaAlchemist123 99%ism 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You just said "it is not our Fault the economy collapses, it is Fault of the left! And people getting poor is good for prosperity. Which is... as I said the most ideological bs take I have ever read. It has no Basis in any reality. It contradicts every theory of economics I know except the really Fringe ones which never got the promised results in reality.

So.. are you stupid or ideologically biased?

[–]Karma-is-here 99%ism -1 points0 points  (54 children)

No, it’s that you make claims that are so far-fetched it’s more likely you’re trolling than anything else.

Left-wing economics have, and always will, work better for the people. We tried laisser-faire capitalism and it failed spectacularly to the point that even the majority of modern capitalists do believe in state intervention. And it’s not hard to see why and how it failed: Worse living standards, more deaths, more working hours, less money in the hand of the proles, consolidation of bourgeois hegemony in politics, depressions, absolute shams that destroy economies, monopolies crushing competition and imposing ludicrous prices, etc. Etc.

You unironically believe that poor people should starve to death "for the economy", so no, I’m not gonna take you very seriously.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn the amount of misinformation in this comment is making me LMAO 🀣

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (52 children)

Left-wing economics have, and always will, work better for the people

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚Any evidence? And describe what you believe a left wing economics is?

We tried laisser-faire capitalism and it failed spectacularly to the point that even the majority of modern capitalists do believe in state intervention

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚When has it ever been tried?

Worse living standards

Give an example of when this happened and where it was tried?

more deaths, more working hours, less money in the hand of the proles, consolidation of bourgeois hegemony in politics, depressions, absolute shams that destroy economies, monopolies crushing competition and imposing ludicrous prices, etc. Etc.

Give an example of when this happened and where it was tried?

consolidation of bourgeois hegemony in politics

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚This is how I know you have no idea of what lassize faire is

monopolies crushing competition

All monopolies were started under interventionism

You unironically believe that poor people should starve to death "for the economy", so no, I’m not gonna take you very seriously.

πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚When have I ever said that

It seems you've believed lies made by socialists without any research or asking for proof

[–]Karma-is-here 99%ism 1 point2 points  (51 children)

The industrial revolution started as laisser-faire capitalism, that’s what I’m talking about. It failed. Miserably. But for the bourgeois, it made them incredibly rich. Free capitalism breeds monopolies, the "creators" of capitalism agreed on that.

From 1800 to 1920, that’s when laisser-faire capitalism was tried in different ways in the west, and it was horrible for the people working. Through depressions, famines and slave conditions, until the Great Depression happened and politicians finally agreed to intervene to help people and keep capitalism in check. Pre-FDR and post-FDR economics are incredible in how it curbed many problems of capitalism and created a more stable and prosperous economy than whatever the Austrian School claims. And then Reagan and Thatcher did pretty much everything they wanted and ever since then the world economy is in shambles.

You’re a feudalist, which is funny but also scary.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The country will thank Milei 50 years in the future

[–]wdcipher Pastafarian Theocracy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Horseshoe theory in action lol

[–]BanditNoble Optimism 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Rationalism is better anyway.

[–]GenericUser1185 Bad Flagism 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I dont understand. Where's peter when you need him?

[–]AGiantPotatoMan Post-Right Anarchism[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Austrian School of Economics is almost purely based on Rationalism, as opposed to all other schools’ Empiricism. The biggest instance of this is the fundamental axiom of the Austrian School, praxeology, which is not a verifiable or falsifiable statement.

[–]Thascynd Anarcho-Racism 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I love seeing the occasional tweet from some leftoid upon discovering "Erm they LITERALLY don't believe in EVIDENCE!!"

[–]Revolutionary_Apples Voidism 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Keynsian economics is not leftist. As in not even sudo leftist. Like Reaganomics level rightist.

[–]Thascynd Anarcho-Racism 0 points1 point  (3 children)

No I mean actual socialists do this, probably more than people pushing establishment econ. SDL comes to mind as one I can remember the name of, but I’ve seen others.

[–]Revolutionary_Apples Voidism 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I mean when that is the nature of current political discourse whatever the side you are on, you kinda expect it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Arachno Communism?

Spider commie!!!

[–]Revolutionary_Apples Voidism 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your friendly neighborhood Red!

[–]Lower_Nubia -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yes, Austrians are the flip side to economic heterodoxy.