You need to move off of Google Docs!

I know some people have seen the news recently and may be doubtful of it. To the uninformed, Google Docs has started using AI to find "inappropriate" and "problematic" content, scraping your documents and deleting it. I know some people are unsure if this is real or think this is not going to affect them.

I regret to inform you that this is real.

As I was on a call with some writers and we were moving our documents as a precautionary measure, one person discovered entire pages missing that they did not delete themselves. This is happening to us, it's not a hoax or a rumor, it's happening right now. You need to move everything if you want to preserve it.

If you're a writer with writer mutuals, please reblog this so they know. I rarely write on Google Docs anymore, but I started my fanfics on there, and I would be devastated if I lost works more than ten years old because people decided marketing appeal is more important than creative freedom.

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I use Obsidian, as it is a wonderful thing to use, as an alternative to Google Docs. I recently left them as well when they deleted my buddy's dissertation for him to get his PHD. Luckily, I had a copy of it on Obsidian, so he was able to turn it in and get his PHD.

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can you link Obsidian?

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@irishironclad She just said it doesn’t work well. Buy a Scrivener License. It has a 30 trial and it’s Obsidian for writers. Read the tutorial and you’ll be fine https://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener/overview?fpr=welcome&gad_source=1

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@fortune-card she just said it works well, and obsidian IS for writers tf are you on and its free, are you being paid ?

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Anyone have any decent alternatives for mobile that I can reasonably transfer docx (gdocs’ file format) files into?

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Ellipsus is pretty good

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@thavron So I’ve heard, unfortunately I’m trapped in iOS hell and I do not believe Ellipsus is available on iOS in any capacity, but I’ll probably get it on my laptop for the rare times I do use my laptop!

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@ceeartie I've been using Ellipsus on iOS! They have a tutorial on how you can create an app-like form on their website for iPhone. It's been pretty solid for me.

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i just recently backed everything up but now im afraid things were deleted and i didnt notice. Is there any way to see if your docs were affected or which ones? I have such terrible memory, im afraid im not gonna notice things gone

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I also really want to know this

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If you remember the word count of your book, check it, if it lowered, it could be because they deleted stuff

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do we have any other confirmation or sources on this?

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would also love a source on this. i can for sure believe that people are finding things missing or deleted unexpectedly but i won't assume it's for this reason unless there's actual confirmation. not that it's hard to believe. just need a reputable source

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@twentyfourlivesforinfinity Yep, I 100% agree with this. I've looked around, but can hardly find any sources, apart from other tumblr and reddit posts :/

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@twentyfourlivesforinfinity https://www.wired.com/story/what-happens-when-a-romance-author-gets-locked-out-of-google-docs/

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@gaylilsherlock is there a way to move work from google docs to ellipsus? I don't see one.

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Same! I want to save my works adap (what’s left bc works are GONE. I looked everywhere, search function even… but „Addicted to sex“ too „much“ for Google Docs 😢 Or I forgot to navigate after decades in GD 🙈

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you have to do it manually, it takes a little time but it’s worth it. just copy & paste each file’s text into new docs on ellipsus ^_^ and then once you’re done migrating, delete your docs on google and empty your bin in your drive so they can’t access it for AI training.

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@a-different-equation Ellipsus's first instruction message does say how to import works in .md one by one. I was hoping for a mass migration, but I guess not. And ADE, I'm horrified that you have already lost works.

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I can’t find any articles relating to this, so like the others if you could cite your sources that’d be helpful. Otherwise it just comes across as fear mongering

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I get it! Only just woke up and didn’t know this would spread this fast while I was asleep. I’m putting sources together on google’s official policy now.

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https://www.wired.com/story/what-happens-when-a-romance-author-gets-locked-out-of-google-docs/

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@bravehyde Didn't it turn out that one actually happened because Google thought it was spam because she was sending the doc to so many people?

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if someone needs more convincing, Google’s also on the boycott list for Palestine!

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Please stop claiming shit without evidence. Cite evidence or give evidence please.

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unfortunately I am a human who needs to sleep and go to work. Did not see that this had this many eyes until now, and when I made the post, my evidence was watching it happen myself. I’m grabbing where this is in google’s updated policies for an ask with the same question.

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https://www.wired.com/story/what-happens-when-a-romance-author-gets-locked-out-of-google-docs/

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I can also verify as I was there when it happened.

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I rebloged this post with an article but for those who come here looking for verification: Google has done stuff like that in the past. It’s not out of the ordinary. https://www.wired.com/story/what-happens-when-a-romance-author-gets-locked-out-of-google-docs/

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I've also used a notes app and copied it down to Google docs. This is horrible

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What's a good alternative for using Google docs? Everything has subscriptions now and i can't find a good place.

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a lot of people have been recommending ellipsus in rbs so I’d try that!

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Libre Office or Ellipsus have worked for me. If you want to go hard on your own file organizing for it and use a lot of Markdown, Obsidian offers a lot of control, but it’s a very different experience from the usual word processors.

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@goldkirk Thank you so much! I'll take a look at these.

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I switched over to Ellipsus recently, they have a page on tumblr, still can only be used on wifi for now but it's easy to share with others, there's a cool drafts system that makes it easy to make copies and compare, and it's very user friendly and aesthetically pleasing on top of working well

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Is it free?

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@itriedwritingandhereiam It is! I think they're working on a paid version but they've stated they plan to keep a lot of things free still too, though I suppose only time will tell

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honestly, it's easy to accidentally delete stuff so I call bullshit on this

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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?! Is there a way to still use Google Docs?!

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@lost-in-derry try Ellipsus or Proton drive. I've tried those and they're a good alternative. I've also heard of Obsidian but never used it but it's another alternative too

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Thank you!

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I see a lot of people recommending Ellipsus or Obsidian, but does anyone know if they're available as mobile apps? I write almost exclusively on my phone, and I want to move my works, but I don't have access to a pc or laptop🥲

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Obsidian does have an app! Though I will be honest formatting is different than gdocs, you will have to go in and reformat to markdown. It saves locally to your device and not into a cloud (unless you get the paid version where you can sync across devices. Elipsus I dont think has an app but you can acess it from the mobile browser I have done this

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@renee561 Thank you! 🌸

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@mannythemunchkin You're welcome feel free to dm if you have any questions!

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Does anyone know if this affects google drive?

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So artists can't do shit now huh

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now i’m curious how this might affect students who have to write about “problematic” stuff for their essays 💀 (unless you’re talking exclusively NSFW writing)

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I mean, some students may use language or refer to subject matter that would get flagged as NSFW. I had images in a film paper that would 100% get flagged

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it won’t affect them because this isn’t actually happening

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do you know any other free platforms that are similar to docs? i’ve been w them for years now 🙏🏽 (no reedsy or obsidian)

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Ellipsus is pretty good

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NOOOOOO

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hey op! i don't mean to discredit you at all but the source you're giving is a year+ old with no other sources saying the same thing. this also doesn't seem like generative ai either and falls more under standard algorithm flagging. i still 100% approve of moving from google docs for various other reasons but this does come across as fear mongering.

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I had no idea this would reach this many people, and if I did, I would’ve worded it more logically. This was me trying to tell my fanfic writer mutuals who follow my writing sideblog to move their stuff because I watched this happen to someone. I’m trying to link more sources for people in other posts about google’s privacy practices in general because this post came from my background knowledge that they’re scummy anyway and doesn’t mention that part, but when my main source for this specific phenomenon is literally watching my friend realize her artwork is gone and she didn’t delete it, there’s only so much I can link.

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@bravehyde i understand! it's just trying to find other credible sources isn't really working. like i said there are so many other reasons to switch so it's not a HUGE deal i thought i'd just lyk :]

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@ditzydizzie yeah I’m realizing this now and I tried to edit the post to something where there is at least A LINK to SOMETHING but ppl are only finding my original version so I can’t do much at this point. I’m glad people are taking this as an urge to back up their files but it’s not awesome to realize I can’t help people ease their worries about how fucked technology is now and may have only scared people more. As someone who had to take classes on how algorithms and data collection work in mass media, you’d think I’d have realized this would happen to my post!

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Can anyone recommend any free writing programs that work cross-platform, preferably without ads or major Ai features? I’ve tried searching around online but its nice to have a recommendation since I’ve become so accustom to Google Docs that I would rather not have to switch programs a bunch just to try them all out

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Ellipsus is a pretty good one. Its free, there's not an app afaik but you can use it on your browser on any device. They're anti AI and you can even share documents and set up different drafts easily. Its pretty cool! And since its a smaller app and they're still in beta, the team is very receptive to feedback

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Proton docs

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Also notion. It has an app you can use offline as well

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Proton is a great alternative

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I recommend Writer Journal. It's pretty simplistic but it gets the job done. Plus, no selling your info to third parties~

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Good thing I only used notepad and word

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APPARENTLY IN THE ARTICLE SHE WAS LOCKED OUT OF THE DOCUMENT BECAUSE OF SPAMMING CAUSE SHE SHARED IT WITH TOO MANY PEOPLE SO GOOGLE CLOCKED IT AS SPAM

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Thank you for clarifying!

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In Linux I like to use Libre office

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And because of this, I use microsoft word

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careful! theyre training copilot

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Ellipsus + Obsidian. One for cloud saving, one for local security

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Wait.... I recently lost a whole doc that I swore I didn't delete. But it didn't have anything NSFW in it??? It was worldbuilding on an alien species and did include a kind of fated love mating system but it wasn't explicit in ANY way. That's so weird.

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accident or glitch

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Google docs don't count towards the space being saved in drive so if you got to max or close to max on your storage space the Google files get deleted. I've had that happen to a sheet of mine that had just a list of my books and when I uploaded a bunch to storage to transfer to a different hard drive that's when those files got deleted.

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@bravehyde Do you know if it affects the outdated version of google doc? My chromebook aged out back in 2020 and it keeps saying the browser no longer supports this version, but I'm still able to type on it.

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your writing probably isn't backed up if your version of docs is outdated, so i would be sure to have it somewhere else too, but no, new features would not affect outdated versions of an app

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I guess that writers don't fall under 'using nudity and sexually explicit material' for artistic purposes? Google is dumb.

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They should/do. OP misunderstood the situation they heard about apparently

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not a problem I still use my AOL account I have had for nearly 20 years, its where all my stories and everything are located and I don't use googledocs to write bc I use calmly writer so i rec getting an aolmail thing

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Hello????? I’ve got an 80 page draft in google docs and 2 scripts. Are there any other free writing softwares that are good to use?

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ellipsus is great! I've recently started using it due to this issue and its free, they're anti AI, easy to use + sign up and more

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@avoidntgraves Oh tysm!!!! I’ll look into that!

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Are there any alternatives that i can transfer google docs into or any that have tables. Ellipsus doesnt seem to have tables which is what i use most often on google docs

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I wonder if this will affect writing platforms that use Google Drive to store your works via sync, like Wavemaker? Anyone have any alternatives to it?

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it won’t affect them because this isn’t actually happening

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@slopheaven okay thanks, I should've read more into this and figured out it was misinfo

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@yyoon5 no worries just keep an eye out for inflammatory language like this

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What is a good alternative?

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ellipsus is good

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OP, if you're concerned about having made a misleading post about this and having everyone reblog the original incorrect version, should you not turn the reblogs off and make a new post? This isn't accusatory by the way, this site just isn't exactly known for fact checking.

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I don't think I can make a post that fixes this issue when this was entirely reliant on giving my account of an event that occurred. It's accurate to what I experienced, and beyond that is beyond me. I'll let reblogs keep going because it seems like it's serving as a reminder to back up your stuff and people are talking on here about where to go for writing now, but I'm turning notifications off.

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@bravehyde Fair enough

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@bravehyde I think you can turn reblogs off without turning off replies?

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Personally I use the pages app that comes with Mac and iPads.

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The problem with storing your files on other people's servers (i.e., Google) is that you're storing YOUR files on OTHER PEOPLE'S servers. Your only versions of YOUR documents should not be only on Google Docs, or One Drive, or any cloud server--you should always back things up locally. Because OTHER PEOPLE can always choose to take their servers offline, or do whatever with the contents of THEIR servers.

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Me trying to explain this to my husband who's addicted to cloud services like:

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Is that good on computer and is it an app too? I work on my phone when I’m away but mostly on the laptop. Also does it work like google docs?#

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@corensweats check out ellipsus, it's a collaborative platform for writers and I know a lot of people has moved onto that instead of gdocs

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❗️ thank you for the rec, I’d never heard of this!

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Always remember to keep backups. I know it sounds obvious but please whatever you do, put things that are precious to you in more than just one place!

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Glad I read the replies and fact checked this for myself. It’s never good to “put all your eggs in one basket” as they say, but it seems that this post was based on a misunderstanding of the situation, so do NOT panic y’all

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Pleaseeee yall, do not let alarmist language like “it's not a hoax or a rumor, it's happening right now” get you worked up!!!!

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TL;DR: this is misinfo y’all (for now at least, bc you never know when big corporations are gonna screw you over)

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Yeah pretty much

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Ellipsus, they have a very clear anti ai stance

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I moved all my stories long ago but im worried over recipies because i was using gdocs to format them to print and after downloading they dony look as good I doubt that cupcakes can lead to banning me but uh oh

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So you're telling me when I said to myself "I could have swore I wrote this on goggle docs" I was indeed correct and google just thought it would be funny to scrape for their Ai model and delete it?!

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nope

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