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Hi everyone! 👋 My name is Jazzy and as the title suggests - I took the JLPT N1 in December 2021, got my result back earlier this week and was pleasantly surprised to find that I'd gotten a full score of 180/180! 😄 I started learning Japanese from 0 on March 18th 2021, and in just over 8.5 months I managed to get to a point where I was able to get full marks on the N1 without doing any specific JLPT study and without having ever been to Japan - by consistently immersing in native content that interested me.
Especially from people who weren't there to see my progress from the beginning, I've received a lot of questions about what I did at different stages of my journey as well as advice/a reflection on what worked well and what didn't. Also, really happy about how well the test went and I felt this would be a good opportunity to reflect on my journey thus far. Hence the purpose of this post. Pretty new to Reddit but I felt this platform would be a good way to reach more people - hopefully you find something useful in this post. ^_^
Side note: just as an aside because sometimes I also get people asking me about this, I do not know Chinese or Korean and Japanese is the first language I've tried to learn. A bit more about my background, I've lived in the UK my entire life and my native language is English, although ethnically I'm Pakistani so I can speak a little bit of Urdu and my listening is also decent (but I cannot read or write it) as a result of family.
Why and How I started learning Japanese:
As I'm sure is the case for many others, I had a lot more free time opened up as a result of COVID-19 restrictions. Alongside my university degree (currently a Physics undergrad student 😄), some of the activities that usually took up a lot of my time were training (as I'm an amateur boxer) 5 times a week, and taking part in/holding various events as a committee member of different societies at my university. Due to various quarantines and lockdowns I was unable to do either of these for quite a while and also found myself indoors a lot more often due to not being able to go out with friends as frequently.
In addition, when I was younger I used to read a lot and I've always loved a good story but during high school and while at uni I haven't done much reading for pleasure at all. Thus I figured it would be a cool idea to learn a language and read enjoyable material in that language, as a fun and productive way to use the extra time I'd gained. As someone who used to watch anime/read manga when they were younger, Japanese was the obvious choice for me.
I spent a couple of days researching different language learning methods until coming across the AJATT website. Upon reading through it, the idea of learning a language by immersing with content I enjoy sounded very attractive to me and is also something I realised I'm already familiar with. In my household I've always grown up speaking English to my parents but they speak a mix of Urdu and English to me, however, despite hardly ever using the language otherwise, when I visited relatives in Pakistan once every few years I found I was able to hold basic conversations with a pretty good accent purely because of the listening input I'd received from my parents. Therefore, it definitely didn't seem like a far-fetched concept to me however the idea of sacrificing all my time every day for Japanese was definitely not something I was going to do, but I decided to just have fun with it and try to immerse as much as I can alongside my main responsibilities (by using my time efficiently). I came across many other websites/blogs talking about a similar immersion-based learning approach and so decided to just get stuck in - marking the beginning of my Japanese learning journey on 18th March 2021.
First ~2.5 Months (18th March 2021 - 31st May 2021):
My first day was spent learning the hiragana and katakana - I did so by grinding an Anki deck for each of them and also repeatedly writing out each character about 10 times. I then left it there and decided I'd just hammer them in long term by seeing them in my immersion - quite the brute-force method for sure but it got the job done lol. Next, I used a Core 2k vocab deck that I found on Anki to gain an initial base of vocab (examples of good decks are the Core 2.3k Deck and the Tango decks). I continued the deck for 20 days doing 50 cards a day (which took me about 45 minutes a day at the time), dropping it after hitting 1000 cards at which point I decided to start mining (i.e. creating my own anki cards out of unknown vocab in my immersion material).
Throughout these first ~2.5 months I was immersing using native content, right from day one. At first it was largely through Japanese-subbed anime (tending to more slice-of-life style series which I still found interesting, as they usually use more basic vocab) - of course, in the beginning I couldn't understand much at all so it mostly just served the purpose of getting used to reading hiragana/katakana, getting used to listening to Japanese, hammering in the Core vocab I learnt through Anki as well as being a source of new vocab (which I would pick up by stopping to look up words every now and then as well as by being exposed to common words many times in different contexts).
After the first couple of weeks I started diversifying my immersion sources - for listening I was using a whole range of native podcasts, youtube videos, audiobooks, dramas, reality TV, etc. I would look up a word if I heard it used a lot or it stuck out to me but otherwise I wouldn't pause and just focused to try and pick out as much as I could. One podcast I highly recommend is the Sokoani podcast, a series which discusses different anime shows - I found this useful because by watching the podcast episodes for anime I had already seen I would have more context as to what they're talking about and would be able to pick out more. A youtube channel that I also really liked was NO GOOD TV, a podcast-type channel hosted by 錦戸亮 and 赤西仁 where they do a bunch of different things and have natural conversations on random topics (they also get guests on there often) - but overall there were a broad range of different channels I watched from.
As for reading immersion I started reading a lot of manga, initially going for more slice-of-life series and manga that used furigana before branching out into other series - I found manga and subbed anime to be a great gateway into reading because the visual aspect gives you more context to understand what's going on and the heavy inclination towards dialogue over narration means the sentences you encounter are usually simpler as opposed to a novel. I was still watching anime but I started splitting my anime immersion in to 2 different types. With half of the anime I watched I would use it for listening immersion by not using subs and rarely pausing to look stuff up. With the other half I would have Japanese subs on and would pause a lot more frequently to look up words I didn't know, more so using it as reading immersion. During this period all the cards I mined on Anki were sentence cards (since the websites/blogs I'd come across usually recommended sentence cards) and I was repping between 30-40 new cards a day, which usually took around 40-50 minutes.
For quite a while my comprehension was not that great and a big reason for that was grammar. I never did any sort of grammar study and still have not to this day. I briefly watched 3 or 4 Cure Dolly youtube videos but quickly got bored and stopped. However, eventually just by seeing different grammar patterns frequently in my immersion in different contexts I started being able to understand basic grammar patterns - slowly I started understanding much more of my immersion. Sure, perhaps I could've sped this up by going through a grammar guide like Tae Kim or the Cure Dolly videos but I enjoyed the route I took and even if I could do it all over again I wouldn't change it.
I've had questions regarding how to go about grammar study and my view is that I do think it can be a good idea to go through Tae Kim or Cure Dolly to prime yourself for seeing the grammar in your immersion, however, I personally don't think actually grinding grammar (e.g. by doing a grammar deck in Anki) is a very effective use of time as you won't truly understand what a grammar pattern means/how it's used until you see it many times in context while immersing - will come on to this a bit more in the next section. In terms of the immersion time I was putting in - from 18th March up to early May I was averaging about 3-4 hours a day (was usually skewed towards weekends so around 2-3 hours on weekdays and then 5-6 hours on weekends), after which my uni summer holidays started and I did ~6-7 hours a day for the rest of May. That brings me to the end of the first (just under) 2.5 months.
~2.5 Months to ~5.5 Months (1st June 2021 - 31st August 2021):
The beginning of June marked a fairly significant turning point in my Japanese language journey. I decided I wanted to give reading light novels and visual novels (will use the abbreviations 'LNs' and 'VNs' from here on out) a try - I'd been wanting to read these in Japanese ever since I started and initially I thought it would take me a long time to get good enough so I was holding off, but I got somewhat impatient and figured there's no harm in giving it a go. After looking it up I found a youtube video that explained how to use a software called Textractor coupled with a clipboard inserter and Yomichan to mine vocab from visual novels (note: Yomichan for those who don't know is a browser extension that allows you to import multiple dictionaries and look up Japanese words on your browser very easily as well as add them to Anki, it has a wealth of useful features and is one of the greatest tools available for Japanese learners). Unfortunately I could not find the exact video when I tried looking earlier but I am sure there are even better tutorials out there now. The video skimmed over many of the details regarding setting up Yomichan so I tried looking further for a more comprehensive guide.
This was when I came across the Resources page of TheMoeWay site which is, to this day, still one of the most useful pages of Japanese learning resources I have found. In particular I came across Stegatxins0's Mining Guide on it - a very comprehensive guide that explained in detail how to establish a quick mining setup using Yomichan and Anki, as well as how to set up programs such as Sharex to add screenshots/audio to your Anki cards. Additionally, I came across a linked site called AnimeCards which contained a detailed Anki setup guide I used to replace the Anki settings I was using before; it also introduced the idea of using anime cards (essentially just high quality vocab cards) over sentence cards. At this point I started making anime cards too for some words but the majority of my Anki cards were still sentence cards. Furthermore, on the resources page I encountered a great browser ebook reader - ッツ's Ebook Reader, which I would use with Yomichan (and Kiwi Browser for when reading on my Android tablet) to read novels.
At the same time, I joined TheMoeWay Discord server that was linked on the website. I hadn't used Discord much nor engaged with many online communities before I started learning Japanese so it was definitely a new experience for me. There were multiple clubs in the server which I could use to discuss Japanese media such as VNs, novels, anime and manga with others (there's usually a monthly read that gets chosen in each of the clubs and it can be nice to read the same thing together and talk about it), and throughout my time at the server I've met a lot of great people. One feature in the server that I found cool was the implementation of the Kotoba bot quizzes for discord roles - they usually involve correctly answering the reading for a certain number of words in a row. The quizzes can be a somewhat decent indicator of where you're at with your vocab level (if you're not grinding them) and served as a small source of extra motivation in trying to aim for higher roles. When I joined at the beginning of June I only managed to pass the Kotoba N5 quiz. Another feature I really liked was being able to log immersion times and the implementation of a monthly immersion leaderboard, which brought out my inner competitiveness during certain months. 😄 There were a few other Japanese learning Discord communities I joined throughout my journey but TheMoeWay was the one I interacted with most.
And so, with my mining setup sorted, I started reading my first LN and VN. It definitely wasn't easy at first - despite having a decent understanding of basic grammar from the first 2.5 months of immersing there were still a lot of new grammar points I was having to look up while reading (note: back to the topic in the last section on acquiring grammar, this is how I acquired pretty much all my grammar knowledge from this point onwards - by looking up all grammar points I didn't understand while reading, using either yomichan or an online grammar reference such as DoJG and just being exposed to them a lot in my immersion). Furthermore, I encountered a ton of new vocab that I had not seen before. As a result, I was reading at a very slow pace initially (around 3,000-4,000 characters/hour) because there was a lot of vocab and grammar to look up, plus it often took me a little while to think about a line before fully understanding it and moving on. However, personally I highly recommend this approach to reading of looking up everything you don't know and trying to understand as much as you can before moving on, since, while it may not be the most enjoyable at first, in the process you engage a lot more with the vocab you come across and also gain a better appreciation of the role different grammar patterns you encounter are playing in a sentence. I can attest to the fact that putting in the effort early on and not cutting corners really does pay off. For me, just the fact that I was learning so much new vocab I hadn't seen in my first 2.5 months of learning was enjoyable in and of itself.
Seeing more experienced people than me in the server who were able to read a lot more per day really motivated me (I also came across Doth's reddit post which was another great source of motivation). A few days later I managed to pass the Kotoba N4 quiz on the server, my vocab was pretty much there from the first 2.5 months of immersing but just a few days of reading was enough to solidify it. Halfway through the month I ended up finishing my first LN, and a few days later I also finished my first VN. My reading speed at that point had grown to about 6,000 characters/hour for the LN and 7,000 characters/hour for the VN due to the increased familiarity with reading and a growth in vocab. Continuing on, I then started reading my 2nd LN (just the sequel to the first one I read) as well as beginning my 2nd VN, one called Summer Pockets Reflection Blue. Usually when people ask for recommendations on a beginner VN this is the one I give - it's fairly long (around ~1.1 million characters) but that's good for a beginner as it gives you substantial time to get used to the reading style, the sentences are simple and more than anything it's a brilliant VN (my bias coming in to play there of course but I had a blast with it 🤩).
A great site for getting a rough ballpark figure of how difficult you can expect a certain novel or VN to be is jpdb.io, roughly speaking most VNs rated 4/10 and below for difficulty are beginner-friendly (although there are some exceptions so it can be a good idea to ask in a VN club/experienced people about their thoughts). I began a 9-5 summer job towards the end of June but even so I was spending 5-6 hours reading every day (and slightly more on weekends), my listening immersion time took a drastic drop as a result though 😅. The main reason being that I was just really enjoying the VN I was reading and wanted to keep going. This is what I think is the single most effective way to read more - choose content that highly interests you.
My average immersion time for June was ~7 hours a day. By the end of June, I also fully stopped using JP subs when watching anime and was only mining vocab from LNs and VNs (so I was only using anime for listening immersion). Just around ~1 month after I passed the N4 Kotoba quiz and <2 weeks into reading my second VN Summer Pockets, I managed to pass the N3 Kotoba quiz (although it did take quite a few tries 😅). I was hugely surprised at how quickly my vocab had managed to grow as a result of reading! By now, I had gotten used to reading Summer Pockets as well and was encountering unknown vocab/grammar a lot less frequently (and it was taking a lot less time to process what I was reading), causing my reading speed for it to grow to 10,000 characters/hour around the beginning of July. The first few weeks of July passed much the same - with me doing my Anki and an hour of listening immersion in the morning, working from 9-5, and then reading for 5-6 hours in the evening. Just before the last week of July I finished my summer job (as it was for a 1 month period) and so decided I'd challenge myself to read more that week. Additionally, I was going to be busier next month so I wanted to immerse as much as possible while I still could.
In that final week of July, I ended up reading 100,000 characters in a day for the first time (I was reading Summer Pockets at about 13,000 characters/hour by this point) - before going on to hit 100,000 characters in a day another 3 times that same week. I did a total of 80 hours of immersion that week (so an average of 11.4 hours a day) - 47 hours of reading and 33 hours of listening. Within that week I finished off the rest of Summer Pockets, started another VN and finished my 3rd LN. Also, I took part in TheMoeWay's immersion leaderboard for July and managed to win that month. At the end of the month I changed all of my sentence cards on Anki into anime cards since I'd noticed that far too often I was able to remember a card purely based on the context before I even got to reading the word. As a result, I was still repping 30-40 new cards a day but it was taking almost half the time per day that it did with sentence cards. My retention rate dipped slightly for a short while after the change but quickly got back to normal. For July as a whole, my average immersion was ~7.5 hours a day.
I went away on holiday for a few days in early August during which I didn't do any immersion and was busy with other things during the month such as moving house. Plus, with COVID-19 restrictions pretty much gone I wanted to spend a lot more time with family and friends that month. But overall I still got a decent amount done. By halfway through the month, I'd finished another 2 VNs (one of which I'd already started in July). I then started a VN called 白昼夢の青写真, which is one of the best VNs I've read yet (Case 0 in particular is a brilliant read). (Side note: I recommend reading something that's roughly around your current level but which you still find interesting - if you read something far more difficult than you can handle you won't understand a whole lot and won't get much out of it, on the other hand if you don't gradually increase the difficulty of the stuff you read your growth will stagnate. For me, I had a lot of different LNs and VNs I wanted to read and slowly worked through them in order of increasing difficulty, very roughly speaking.)
Around the same time I also started making the monolingual transition, i.e. transitioning over to using J-J dictionaries rather than J-E dictionaries. Since I'd read a fair amount by this point, I found it to be a fairly smooth transition but it still took time to get used to and my reading speed dropped for quite a while. I often mined common words that I would see in definitions too. Up till now I had mostly been mining words in i+1 sentences (i.e. I'd mine something if it was the only piece of vocab/grammar I didn't know in the sentence) but I stopped following that rule and instead would mine even multiple pieces of unknown vocab from the same sentence as long as I could understand their meaning in that context. Furthermore, I had been very reserved with what I mined to Anki up to this point since I figured that particularly while I'm still new to reading I'll be able to acquire a lot of the more common stuff just by reading a lot so I would only mine words that I could tell for some reason would be difficult to remember (or if they contained unfamiliar kanji or had a meaning which is not obvious from the kanji). But from this point on I started being just a bit more lax with that. Oh, and I also managed to pass the Kotoba N2 quiz in early August 😄. For August I was doing an average of 4-5 hours of immersion a day.
~5.5 Months to ~8.5 Months (1st September 2021 - 5th December 2021):
September was a huge month for me in my Japanese language journey. In early September I decided to sign up for the December JLPT N1 test on a whim as I figured it would be a cool side goal to have. At the time I wasn't sure if I'd even be able to get good enough to scrape a pass on it in time for December. However, I sure as hell was going to try. I decided to really challenge myself to immerse as much as I could in September. Around the beginning of the month I also began an internship I had lined up, but luckily it was quite flexible with timings (my day could be anything from 9-3 or 8-6 purely based on how quickly I got the project work I was responsible for done). Also, since it was remote I didn't have to waste time commuting. So I tried to be as time-efficient as possible, essentially finishing by 3 everyday and managing to get 6-10 hours of immersion in every day (some in the morning and in my lunch breaks lol), as well as 10-12 hours on weekends.
I managed to finish the month with a total of 292 hours of immersion (average of 9.7 hours a day) - consisting of 2 million+ characters read from VNs and LNs, 20,000+ manga pages (yes, I got hooked on manga again this month lol) and 33 hours of listening. The majority of the characters I read this month came from LNs (completed a total of 14 books) - before this point I had mostly read VNs so at first I found it difficult to read the same amount in a day with LNs as with VNs, but over the course of the month I got used to it and was comfortably managing to read 100,000 characters a day with LNs too. I won my second month with TheMoeWay monthly immersion leaderboard and also won the Tadoku reading competition for that month. In addition, at the end of the month I managed to pass the Kotoba N1 Grammar quiz (the highest role on the server) and was feeling a lot more confident about being able to pass N1! After the intense period of immersion that was September, I also felt significant improvements in my reading ability.
October was a very busy month for me between finishing off my internship, starting uni again (my holidays had finished), preparing grad job applications and other commitments. From early on in my Japanese language journey I'd been building up a large backlog of new cards in my mining deck. This was mainly because I never set a limit on how much I mined in a day, so there were often days where I'd mine like 50-100 new cards (meaning that my backlog kept growing faster than I was repping new cards). In order to try and catch up with it I began repping 50 new cards a day from then on. Not much else significant happened in October other than perhaps the fact I started reading a VN called Dies Irae during the month. It was probably the hardest thing I had read up to that point and I came across a load of vocab I hadn't seen before. Also, I found there were many lines I'd have to reread and think about for a while before being able to fully understand. As a result, my reading speed during the prologue of Dies Irae was about 7,000 characters/hour and even by the end of October I was only averaging 10,000-11,000 characters/hour on it.
I read quite a wide range of different texts during the month including LNs, VNs, web novels, blogs and just surfing random articles on the internet. Additionally, I tried my first reading stream in the server during that month by reading Dies Irae out loud - found it really fun and have done more since then. My average immersion time for October was 4.5 hours a day. At the end of October I decided to try my first N1 practice paper to see where I'm at and, to my surprise, I managed to get a raw score of 89/105 on it. This gave me the realisation that I was already able to pass N1 with quite a good score. My original plan was to mix in some JLPT-specific study in November but after getting that score I decided not to, and just continued immersing as normal.
November was mostly the same, being occupied by other responsibilities and only averaging about 4 hours of immersion a day up until the last week of the month. After that point, however, I had significantly more free time available again up until the end of December. With slightly over a week to go before the N1 test, I decided to challenge myself again by trying to read 1 million characters in a week at the end of November. I managed to achieve this goal by reading a total of 61.5 hours during that week and also managed to read 200,000 characters in a day for the first time. Anki was also going well, and by now never took me more than 30 minutes a day (even while doing 50 new cards a day with around 92-95% retention). I get questions regarding best ways to increase retention on Anki and what I personally found is that just trying to read more helped a lot more than fiddling with Anki settings, as it increases your familiarity with kanji and you're more likely to see the words you've mined again (although of course I understand that isn't feasible for everyone and a little bit of time spent optimising the settings isn't the worst thing in the world, it's just that it is a lot less effective).
And so, that brings us up to 5th December, on which I took the JLPT N1 test and passed with a full score of 180/180. Even though I had never read any news(/typical non-fiction stuff people say closely emulates N1 reading passages) or done any JLPT prep at all, I still found the N1 reading section very easy and managed to finish with about 15 minutes remaining despite closely reading every passage and thinking a lot about every answer. Furthermore, I found grammar to be probably the easiest section along with reading despite having never studied any grammar. This highlights the effectiveness of focused reading - whenever I read in Japanese I always tried my best to understand as much as I possibly could and think deeply about what I read (including thinking about e.g. what the writer's trying to portray, the underlying message, what different character's motives are, etc.) and that reading comprehension ability translated over well to the JLPT N1.
Stats (up to the date of the N1 test):
Total Immersion Time - 1,547 hours
Total Reading Time - 1062 hours
Total Listening Time - 485 hours
Total Anki Time - 148 hours
Average Time Spent Per Day - ~6.5 hours
~8.5 Months to Now (5th December 2021 - Present):
As mentioned earlier, I had more free time in December which I used to read more of the things I had been looking forward to (one of the VNs I read called Musicus is great and I would highly recommend it!). I ended up immersing a total of 255 hours in December (average: 8-9 hours a day) - including 3 million+ characters read and 55 hours of listening immersion. Already I feel a lot better than I was at the point when I took the N1 test and reading in Japanese has come to feel very natural for me. Thanks to that I'm able to enjoy a whole range of VNs, LNs, web novels, etc. effortlessly and it's honestly a great feeling. Doing this much focused reading over a month really gets you used to it - when I started out with reading it felt like there was always this insurmountable barrier in terms of how every time I read in Japanese I'd have to actively exert myself and concentrate to understand (unlike in English where it's just natural). Took a lot of immersion/effort (and reading wasn't the most fun in the beginning) but now enjoying content has never felt so fun.
I can now comfortably finish an average 100,000 character LN in 5-6 hours. Also, I finally caught up on my Anki backlog about 2 weeks ago (mid-January) and surpassed 10,000 cards on Anki (although this isn't indicative of my vocab amount since I learnt a lot more vocab purely through reading rather than from Anki). During the past week I've only done about 35 new cards in Anki since it's hard to find new cards to mine at this point unless I purposely try to find really difficult material that will use more obscure kanji. For example, I read White Album 2 Introductory Chapter which is ~210,000 characters long recently but only managed to mine about 20 words. So nowadays in Anki I mostly just end up doing reviews.
I've also passed the 1900 hours of immersion mark and will probably hit the 2000 mark next month. I didn't talk much about output but essentially I started being a lot more conscious about trying to ouput from October onwards. At first it was really difficult, but just trying to think more in Japanese and purposely looking out for how things are conveyed in my immersion has made a noticeable difference. I make significantly less mistakes in my writing output nowadays and my speaking ability is also coming along quite well (I can more comfortably speak about a range of topics now) but there is still a ways to go and I will be putting more focus on it this year. I'm also doing more listening nowadays (my reading:listening ratio for this month has been 1:1).
Closing Comments and Future Plans:
Learning Japanese as an extra hobby over the past 10+ months has been great and I certainly won't stop reading anytime soon as there's still loads of LNs and VNs I want to read. However, I'm going to be spending far less time on it from now on and will be spending more time on/prioritising other endeavours. Not to mention I need be studying more for uni in the buildup to exams as well as preparing for grad job interviews. In terms of my language learning goals specifically, I will spend more time speaking Japanese with natives this year to improve how natural my speaking ability is and I'm also thinking of starting to learn Arabic eventually (by eventually, I mean probably not within this year).
Note that where I talk about 'efficiency' or the best way to go about something it's just referring to my thoughts on it and what would, hypothetically, be the best way to go about it in my experience. At the end of the day, as long as you keep going you will make it. It's completely fine to make sacrifices on efficiency if it makes the process more enjoyable and sustainable for you. Also, I can't stress enough the effectiveness of focused reading - getting enough good quality immersion will make up for any imperfections in your learning method in the long run.
I get asked sometimes about how I can read so much but one thing to note is that, personally, even more so than aspects such as discipline it's largely that I just really enjoyed the content I was consuming as well as the feeling of learning a new skill and most of the time it did not feel like study to me.
Here's some general tips I wrote up about a month ago answering common questions I'd gotten regarding the topic of getting good quickly/taking N1 purely using immersion: https://rentry.co/gitgud
Some shoutouts to people who directly or indirectly helped me in my Japanese learning journey:
邪魔 for doing a great job over in TheMoeWay and implementing really useful features such as the monthly immersion leaderboard, Doth for being a great source of motivation for me, Madoromi and Tommeh for the great 朗読 streams (they were a lot of fun and I've really enjoyed reading out loud since then!), Stegatxins0 for the brilliant mining setup guide which was super helpful, Xelieu for helping me with a bunch of stuff, ッツ for creating a great ebook reader, QuizMaster for the Anki guide, Artikash for developing Textractor, and all the other developers of various tools that I have used which have helped me enormously during my journey! I also really want to thank everyone in TheMoeWay and other servers I'm in for the encouraging comments and for always pushing me to do better - you guys are the best! 😁
This ended up being a lot longer than expected but it was a nice trip down memory lane and hopefully there was something useful in here for you. If you need to contact me for anything then Discord would be the best way (Jazzy#1234). You can usually catch me on TheMoeWay server as well, where I've often posted progress reports and reviews for a lot of the stuff I've read. Good luck with all your goals for this year everyone, Japanese-related or otherwise!
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[–]achshort 923 points924 points925 points 2 (114 children)
Congrats.
Just to any beginners/intermediate/literally everyone else, just take this post with a grain of salt.
This guy studied 6+ hours a day. This type of studier is very rare and they treat studying Japanese as a job or as something with a strong inner desire to perfect a skill. From the top of my head, this post reminds me of Stevejvs(forgot his name), Kaz, MattVJapan, etc. This is not achievable for the average person. The average person starts to question their motivation to learn Japanese and start to ask other's "what's the point" the second they hit a road block in learning Japanese (**cough cough** kanji/grammar). This is the same person who studies maybe a few hours A WEEK, and immerse when they have the time after life obligations and their other hobbies. OP obviously didn't run into this and just grinded for hours a day.
TLDR: Don't think you're stupid or something or ask why you're progressing so slowly in learning Japanese. If you put 6+ hours of your life into anything, you're bound to get proficient in it.
[–]JakalDX 190 points191 points192 points  (10 children)
Language learning is never a competition!
[–]Masterkid1230 51 points52 points53 points  (6 children)
It really shouldn’t be, because there’s nothing to be earned by getting there quicker or efficiently. You don’t need full fluency to make friends, using the fastest method doesn’t guarantee better job opportunities or capabilities at getting them done, and being a better learner than other people ultimately doesn’t mean much. Not to mention I’m pretty sure most people learning Japanese don’t have plans to live or work in Japan.
Go at the pace you feel comfortable with and that’s that. I did that, never cared about speedrunning the language, and now I’m employed full-time as a Japanese translator. I’ve also learned other languages along the way, made friends, completed two undergrad programs, and just lived my life without worrying much about it. I took my time and had fun, and eventually my hobby became my job.
[–]kyousei8 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
While I agree that people should go at the pace they feel comfortable with, you do earn something by getting there quicker: time being able to use high level Japanese. To some (probably >95% of) people the upfront investment of time isn't worth the extra time being proficient in Japanese, to a small minority it will be. It just depends how worth it that is to each individual person.
[–]Veeron 14 points15 points16 points  (3 children)
It really shouldn’t be, because there’s nothing to be earned by getting there quicker or efficiently.
Well, you earn time by being efficient. The most precious resource there is.
[–]Masterkid1230 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Not really though, because it takes the same hours to get there. The efficiency that people talk about in this subreddit doesn’t particularly reduce the hours it takes to get to a certain level. It just condenses them for the most part.
2000 hours of Japanese will most likely get you to an advanced or fluent level. It’s just a matter of using them all within a year or several years.
[–]kachigumiriajuu 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
to make friends, using the fastest method doesn’t guarantee better job opportunities or capabilities at getting them done
OP clearly didn't learn for any of that though lol he wanted to be able to enjoy whatever otaku media he wanted without needing to translate anything. and what he did clearly made him better able to do that.
[–]jynx-y 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
Thank you for saying this. I really needed to hear this.
[–]cradugamer 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Unless you're on Duolingo!
[–]FinalElixir1 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
that is true but with the way i am if anythings a competition i try as hard as i can to get to a really high level like when i was younger i used to grind duolingo to get in the leaderboard of xp in the little club thing you used to have. learnt a lot of random japanese from it lol
[–]ultimateedition 63 points64 points65 points  (0 children)
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said, and I want to add that even though I deliberately study 5+ hours a day while living in Japan and have plenty of immersion on top of that, I still don't produce results this efficiently. The reading and memorization speeds in the post are quite good, I'd guess top 1% of learners. And of course as it has been pointed out on this sub many times, even native speakers may not get a perfect N1 score, so bravo to OP.
I am not demotivated at all because learning a language is not a race with others. I'm really pleased with my own progress and I'm looking forward to several decades of conversing in Japanese, whether it takes me 2x or 5x or 10x the time of other exceptional students.
Reddit's upvoting system puts emphasis on incredible stories over the average person's struggle. For every post like this, there are 1000 of us succeeding nonetheless at a moderate rate.
[–]ObscureAcronym 55 points56 points57 points  (2 children)
This guy spent longer writing this post than my average study time per day.
[–]Get_the_instructions 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
And he did it with one hand whilst writing out the entire joyo kanji with the other!
What a guy :-)
[–]douglas_in_philly -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Ain't that the truth!!!!!!
Scroll....scroll.....scrolllllllll
[–]theeggman84[🍰] 88 points89 points90 points  (4 children)
Phrased it much better than I could have. I've been learning Japanese on and off for 13 years at this point, and I'm somewhere between N2 and N1. There are still so many words I don't know, and I can't read books fluently yet, but I've come to peace with that over time. I've learned that forcing myself to put more time into learning, when I'm not enjoying that learning, is a recipe for wasting time. You have to keep it fun, and for most people that means starting small (1 hour a day) since the beginning of the journey is tough.
Learn at your own pace, keep it fun, and don't have any expectations about pace. I'm a slower learner than probably most people on this subreddit, but so what? That doesn't invalidate the time I've put in so far. I've spent very little time studying when I didn't want to, and because of that I have a good relationship with the learning process.
Good luck everyone :)
[–]leondemedicis 24 points25 points26 points  (2 children)
Ha ha!! Thanks mate!! I was feeling dumb until I saw your post!! I have been at it for 6 or 7 years and I am a decent N3 (?). But with a career that is also a passion, a wife, 2 kids under 3 and "life" I can barely scrape 2h a week of studying, and only with the tutor (who serves more as a therapist than really a tutor!!! All my classes start with "can you believe that my X (number) child is sick again... had to take the day off from work to take him to the doctor..."...
[–]douglas_in_philly 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
"more a therapist than a tutor".....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
But do you say that your "X (number) child is sick again..." in Japanese or English???? ;-)
[–]leondemedicis 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
私の子供がまた病気になっている! 信じられない!!
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
totally agree! i started learning 12 years ago and took 8 years of formal classes while i was in school, but i think for most people learning a language over a long period of time you get to a point where you really don't need to study the way you would at a lower/intermediate level .
personally? i haven't sat down and actually studied in a few years, but i spend a lot of time engaging with japanese content and the exposure itself is enough for me. whenever i try to sit down and study from a textbook i find it needlessly stressful and boring, and making flashcard lists of new vocab when i'm actively reading tends to distract me from the activity itself which i can do fine with a dictionary search here and there. if a word or phrase is useful i'll be able to pick it up if i come across it enough, so i guess it functions the same way as flashcard drills, just on a much much slower level lol. i don't even have a single clue how much time i spend engaging with japanese on a daily/weekly basis, and honestly i don't care, i just like being able to use the skills i've learned from the years i've put into studying the language in my daily life.
oh. and i've never even taken the jlpt either (wanted to in 2020 + 2021 but wasn't able to for obvious reasons, at this point i'll just get to it when i get to it)
basically, if you've learned enough where you can interact with native language materials + native speakers without significant trouble, who cares if you don't know every single word! and really, anyone who's not a native bilingual will still be learning the language no matter how fluent they are. like someone else in this thread i'm also working as a translator and my favorite part about the work is getting exposed to new terms i never would've learned otherwise! :)
[–]Moon_Atomizernotice me Rule 7/8 sempai 89 points90 points91 points  (52 children)
The average study hours to get to N1 for non-CJK language speakers is 3000–4800 hours. According to OP they spent 3242 hours, which is on the low end (assuming there are no unaccounted for hours) but not some crazy impossible feat.
It's perfectly typical for even someone living in Japan to take 5-7 years to reach N1. Posts like OP are very impressive but they can be as dispiriting for some as they can be inspiring for others so I think it's good to keep in mind that sprinters and walkers all cross the finish line eventually. Put in the hours and you'll get there!
(not that N1 is anywhere close to "the finish line" but hey I'm trying not to be discouraging haha...)
[–]jwfallinker 63 points64 points65 points  (46 children)
According to OP they spent 3242 hours
You're combining the total with the subtotals. OP says 1,547 hours of input and 148 hours of anki for a total of 1695 hours at the time of N1
[–]Moon_Atomizernotice me Rule 7/8 sempai 31 points32 points33 points  (45 children)
Hah I suck at math. Good catch. Then yeah that's very impressive, OP learned as fast as a Korean learner would be expected to learn. I wonder if knowing Urdu helps with handling alien grammar systems, or if OP is just exceptionally good at learning
[–]Raffaele1617 41 points42 points43 points  (0 children)
I think also the amount of consistency here really changes things. When you're that regular about studying, your recall is probably going to remain extremely high throughout the whole process, meaning you don't have to relearn a bunch of stuff that most people forget if they have a more typical study schedule.
[–]Tiinpa 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
It’s a crazy feat for sure, but he basically brute forced his way through the Vocab barrier. I don’t think I could keep motivated reading a LN if I didn’t know 50% of the words (which is where I assume OP was when he started LNs).
[–]CyglmlNative speaker 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
Took a look at wiki, and it seems like verbs in Urdu involve “successive layers of (inflectional) elements to the right of the lexical base”, similar to Japanese. It looks like transitive/intransitive verbs also have different forms, and has fairly free word order, with an unmarked word order of SOV. There also seems to be some case markers like in Japanese, which makes sense with the free word order.
Not to say that OP didn’t put in a massive effort, but it’s likely that their background in Urdu could have helped with laying a foundation for Japanese grammar, making it less of an “alien grammar” than from the point of view of an English monolingual speaker.
Edit: lol @ people downvoting me for pointing out morphological and syntactic similarities between two languages
[–]Accendino69 9 points10 points11 points  (4 children)
Anki is a beast of a program and even if its very highly valued here, its also underestimated somehow.
I think I was ready for N1 with good marks at around 12 months in and I spent even less time studying than OP, because I did lots of Anki, but I did not take the test so Ill never know.
[–]-SPM- 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Background in Urdu definitely should have helped him pick up grammar faster then if he only knew English
[–]blessedrng -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
I wonder if knowing Urdu helps with handling alien grammar systems, or if OP is just exceptionally good at learning
Neither. I mean OP is smart (based on his ability to recognzie good learning methods), but the primary reason is because of the learning methods. If people had the discipline to follow the same learning methods as OP, they would see similar results. People need to stop with the textbook learning, taking language classes, grammar drills. But even within immersion learning, there is effective and ineffective immersion. OP post is a gold mine for anyone to pick up some solid habits
[–]Immersion4509 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
Rubbish m. Urdu is SOV language just like Japanese. It would have helped him a lot. The reason Japanese is so hard frantically for English natives is because the grammar is so different
[–]blessedrng 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
japanese is considered SOV - likely because it’s generally 私は(S, though usually this subject is implicit)東京に(O=tokyo)行きたい(V).
but in reality japanese isn’t SOV or SVO or anything, it’s entirely particle based, where word order doesn’t matter, the particles attached to what words matter. if you look at a list of SOV languages, you’ll get a lot. but in particular I see German, Spanish, French. anyone who speaks those languages recognizes that they have no more of an edge to learning Japanese than an English speaker, the SOV vs. SVO difference is trivial - an English speaker learning German or vice-versa will have very little trouble getting adapted.
so unless Urdu uses a particle based system (only Japanese and Korean do, as far as Im concerned with major languages), the fact that it is SOV is likely no more beneficial than it is for a German speaker learning Japanese (i.e. negligible)
[–]Immersion4509 -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
The point is pith language put he verb at the end of the sentence. So coming from a language that does that, it is going to make it more easier to adjust your brain. This is something inherently difficult for speakers of Romance languages to do because the verb is in the middle not at the end. We can’t pretend like that would have made it easier the op
[–]blessedrng 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
did you even read what I wrote? lol
[–]Twinkul comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points  (29 children)
Jazzy immersed in Japanese a lot and got good at japanese. Thats all. Stop trying to cope lol.
[–]Moon_Atomizernotice me Rule 7/8 sempai 20 points21 points22 points  (13 children)
We're all "immersing" in Japanese. I speak in and message in Japanese every day. Spending six hours a day in books, dictionaries and flash cards is definitely unusual for the average working person. I don't even spend that amount of time in English media. Stop trying to steal the term "immersion" to only mean your particular method and study habits.
[–]premiere-anon -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
Spending six hours a day in books, dictionaries and flash cards is definitely unusual for the average working person.
All the greatest achievers in history did unusual things.
[–]Moon_Atomizernotice me Rule 7/8 sempai 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
Yes, but many of us aren't looking to be the greatest achievers in history. I'm perfectly content with my current work/life/learning balance
[–]Twinkul -5 points-4 points-3 points  (8 children)
Im not trying to steal the term "immersion". People come around in the comments here treating Jazzy like some genius or god of Japanese just because he put time in to doing what he enjoys. Not to discredit his effort, he put in a shit amount of time, and it worked, but this isn't some alien concept. It's been being done by tons of people in many immersion learning communities for years. Stop trying to cope by linking Urdu to his Japanese skill.
[–]Moon_Atomizernotice me Rule 7/8 sempai 12 points13 points14 points  (7 children)
Other people with similar "immersion" schedules posted take 18 months or longer. Even Doth took like a year and a half. I think you're really underselling what an achievement it is for someone to get good at Japanese at an even faster rate than my Korean friends who live in Japan and are full time Japanese language school students.
I agree that it's not some God feat but I also don't think it's an "anyone can do it" situation either.
[–]premiere-anon 11 points12 points13 points  (2 children)
Oh I love Doth's story! Let's do some number crunching just for fun to compare them.
Doth passed N1 with a 160/180 score after 438 days, not a perfect score but damn close, very impressive. He says his "immersion" time was
30 hours a week at most or 17 hours a week at least, which I think is a lot!
That comes out to 2.4 hours/day to 4.3 hours/day for Doth. Let's say it was an average of 3.5 hours per day.
Jazzy's post says
Average Time Spent Per Day - ~6.5 hours
So on average Jazzy spent 1.85x more time per day engaging with the language. Now if we take Doth's original number of 438 and divide it by that rate we get 438 / 1.85 = 236 days. That's about EIGHT MONTHS! The math works out almost exactly surprisingly.
[–]Pennwisedomお箸上手 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
I think you're really underselling what an achievement it is for someone to get good at Japanese at an even faster rate than my Korean friends who live in Japan and are full time Japanese language school students.
Are we talking about someone getting good at Japanese or someone passing a test? Cause I'm lost here. I agree with you but I also think this whole discussion is kinda pointless. I think they should find a way to add speaking and writing to the JLPT just so we no longer have to see these posts.
[–]Twinkul 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
For that I can actually provide an explanation: it largely depends on what you're immersing in. VN's are typically the fastest way to see improvement, which is proven by not just Jazzy here but also by many others (assuming you're slowly playing harder and harder vns).
Anyone with enough time can do it, maybe not at Jazzy's speed (though I know some who have +faster) but definitely within 18 months. I don't want to sound like I'm underselling his achievement, Jazzy is cracked and an inspiration for many people including me.
[–]Masterkid1230 6 points7 points8 points  (8 children)
I never really took N1 (wanted to but the pandemic got in the way, maybe this year) though I’m guessing I must be around that level.
To be honest I did nothing of the sorts, never really cared for all the self-proclaimed “immersion” buffs, and I still managed to get here and I currently work full-time as a Japanese translator. So uh… there’s more than one way to do this, and some of them are even enjoyable.
Stop trying to discourage people because they don’t want to study 6 hours every day. Language learning isn’t a dick measuring contest.
[–]Twinkul 2 points3 points4 points  (7 children)
It's just a fact that immersion is the best way to learn. You don't have to immerse 6 hours a day, 2 or 3 is going to get you the same results it will just take you longer. I've gotten N1 within a year with only about 4 hours a day. It isn't a dick measuring contest, but it also won't do you any good when your first reaction any post about somebody getting good at a language is to cope. If they got good so fast then follow their example and be inspired by them.
[–]Masterkid1230 -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
Maybe for some people. Others will definitely experience burnout with hardcore and quick methods. I wouldn’t have been able to do that, I would’ve gotten sick of Japanese far earlier (or dropped out of college). But I still got to a fully fluent and competent level eventually. Sure, I consumed a lot of native material, but I also made Japanese friends, learned about Japanese culture, and took a more social approach. That also works, you know? You going around and telling people that yours is “the best way” or whatever, feels somewhat pointless when all you’re doing is discouraging people from learning Japanese at all if they don’t do it like you did. It’s the best way for you.
Also “immersion” as you call it (also known as consuming native material to normal people) fails to account for speaking in a lot of popular models. You need to practice real conversations with real people or your N1 won’t be worth much at all.
I don’t really think a lot of people who reject this approach are “coping”. Some might be. Those who want to engage in the dick measuring contest but feel left behind, but I think a lot of the time posts about “I did this in under a year” only serve to stroke the poster’s ego (not OP’s case IMO) and basically brag.
You rarely see people talking about what they learned, and focus only on how they did it and why that makes them awesome (again, I don’t think that’s OP, but it certainly is a large amount of self proclaimed Japanese gurus and speedrunners), which is kind of pointless considering the same methods won’t work for everyone, so all it looks like is validation seeking.
[–]Twinkul 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
I don't know how you wouldn't be able to find a single thing to enjoy and pursue. If you started learning Japanese as a hobby then that seems virtually impossible. If you are learning for work reasons then sure, maybe.
I agree with social methods, they work too. I love talking to Japanese people and do it everyday. Wonderful way to increase your output skills. Only thing wrong with it is if you do it to early. Early output is known to make you get used to using incorrect Japanese grammar as you don't know what'r right and wrong. Oh, and forget about getting good pitch accent. Immersion will do 95% of the work you need to start outputting. INPUT is the way you learn, output is just the cherry on top and the polishing you do after. Fact, not opinion. What people don't realize when they say they learned Japanese by talking to people is that it was the input from their friends that taught them Japanese.
Immersion is and always will be the best way to learn Japanese. Whether you're doing 30 minutes a day or 12 hours a day immersion will always be the best way to learn Japanese. Proven time and time again by people coming to this sub and people part of any immersion learning community. Though you may not be able to do it in 8 months, it'll take you no longer than 3 years with immersion.
It's the ones who are coping that matter. They treat immersion learners as outliers everytime and get a shit ton of upvotes, with anyone telling them immersion works getting downvoted to hell (like me). This prevents others from learning Japanese in a year or two instead of 10.
[–]blessedrng 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
This. literally lmao. This server is pathetic, filled with cope while the truth gets downvoted. I totally understand how disspiriting it can be to have learned Japanese for so much longer yet had way lesser results, but the fact is if you use optimal learning methods, you will see far more optimal results.
[–]Moon_Atomizernotice me Rule 7/8 sempai -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
This is not a "server" lol go back to 4chan / DJT if you have a problem with people that enjoy learning Japanese through methods other than treating virtual novels and Anki as a full time job.
[–]kyousei8 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
I recognise way more of the users say "cope " from TMW than anywhere else. The 4chan Japanese thread is salty af about this post too (many think OP is a redditor and are mad that "reddit beat them") and the DJT server has way less active users than most people seem to think it does.
[–]blessedrng 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
haha weird had internet lingo works. I was still in my crypto-trading mindset, typing that reply up as if replying to someone in the crypto space (it being where I got the word "cope" from, also why I said "server" not subreddit).
what is TMW?
[–]Kawaii_Loli_Imouto 18 points19 points20 points  (3 children)
3000 hours of listening to lectures lmao
you misread the post. OP spent 1,550 hours engaging with japanese media, and another 150 on anki.
[–]hold_my_fish 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
3000 hours of listening to lectures lmao
The 3000 hour number isn't just for lectures. It comes from this page which says it includes:
class hours, homework, class preparation, and personal study hours.
That said, what the OP did sure sounds a lot more enjoyable than that.
[–]Kawaii_Loli_Imouto 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
that was hyperbole, but same point about largely wasted time.
[–]kachigumiriajuu 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
class preparation and homework, honestly most traditional class-oriented language work is a really inefficient use of time.
you're talking 20 minutes or so to read and analyze like 20 sentences of japanese, when that time could've been spent simply reading 60~80 sentences or so of actually interesting content. its a matter of volume of actual native content encountered during that time. the analytical type exercises are just not as helpful as spending that time on native content.
[–]capu_ 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
Also doing 50 new cards in 45 minuts seem like a world record to me
OP must have really easy time picking up new vocab, I need a lot more time to be able to learn that much vocab
[–]Some_Guy_87 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
I need that much time for 10 and forget a ton. RIP :D.
[–]songbanana8 43 points44 points45 points  (11 children)
Also it’s a lot of input and looks like no output (writing/speaking) and the JLPT only tests passive skills. It’s incredible that they achieved that with such dedication and in such a short time, but if someone’s goal is to work in Japan, make Japanese friends, write stories in Japanese, or have a well-rounded language skill set, you need to devote time to practicing productive skills too.
[–]CynicalRaptor 38 points39 points40 points  (5 children)
Well, the op has a lot of time to do that now. I would also believe that op has a far better chance of developing those skills given their self-reported high work ethic than the users here asking for the millionth time if genki is any good.
Of course this could all be fanfiction, but I don't know how to verify that, and unlike a lot of Japanese gurus I've seen, the advice to read more is far less monetizable than a patreon or youtube channel.
[–]Masterkid1230 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
Honestly, I believe the OP. He’s pretty good, but what sold it for me was precisely that. Reading is the best way to pass an N1. And reading all sorts of native materials, not just one genre of manga or light novels.
[–]achshort 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
TBH I believe the OP as well....but 180/180? That score just shows how good he really is, you don't get that score by getting lucky guesses.
[–]songbanana8 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
Sure and I’m absolutely impressed with their work ethic and dedication. I just think that it’s also important to point out the major gap in their study, which lines up fine for their goals as JLPT doesn’t test for it anyway. But people who don’t know that or don’t know much about language learning might not pick up on that.
To your second paragraph, yes the advice to read more is great and flawless. Re: “gurus”, I would be very suspicious in general of anyone who monetizes their knowledge on social media without a strong background in the fields of teaching, language acquisition, and linguistics. These are actual rigorous fields of study and too many westerners are selling “only I have unlocked the mystical East” snake oil based on flashcards and anime.
[–]kachigumiriajuu 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
teaching, language acquisition, and linguistics
interesting how billions around the world have learned languages without the use of any of that
analyzing how people learn languages and writing papers on it, isn't the same as actually doing it. even babies learn languages to fluency. its about getting exposed to messages in the language and understanding those messages. same applies to babies, they just gain the understanding through observing their parents and other nearby humans instead of reading stories. still ultimately the same process.
learning to speak is so trivially easy once you've gained such a thorough understanding of the language like OP has, that it's not even worth treating as a problem. literally all she has to do is start practicing the mouth movements associated with the messages and language patterns she now knows so well from over a thousand hours of quality exposure. she could become a fluent speaker in a month with some shadowing. and that's IF she even cares about that. it's not a "gap" if it's not a skill they even care about right now.
[–]songbanana8 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
This seems a really disingenuous reading of my post.
I would expect anyone selling knowledge about second language acquisition to have studied second language acquisition.
I am sure OP would be able to get great at speaking with that dedication and work ethic, but learning to speak is as hard as any other facet of language learning. You yourself have seen posters here saying they’ve studied for years and not gotten it, you’ve said you still have an accent. It’s something that needs practice if you want a well/rounded skill set.
[–]DearCress9 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
Somebody had to throw salt lol
[–]songbanana8 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Trying to keep it positive as OP has clearly achieved a lot but I do feel it’s important to point out for others looking for advice!
[–]JoelMahon 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
what is output? can you eat it?
[–]songbanana8 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
If you get a job using Japanese and trade that money for food, sure
[–]kachigumiriajuu 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
who said she needs a job in japanese? she's literally majoring in physics.
[–]kewickviper 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
When you say "to take something with a grain of salt" it implies that the person has exaggerated or potentially lied about their claims. I don't think it's fair to say that in this case, given the sheer amount that he has studied and in such a short space of time it makes this achievement very believable to me.
[–]Masterkid1230 20 points21 points22 points  (5 children)
Honestly, I don’t blame anyone who feels discouraged after seeing something like this. Props to the OP for managing to do that, it’s an incredible feat, but I don’t know how much it’ll help other learners. It might motivate some people in this sub so that’s good.
Personally I’ve never really cared for speedrunning a language or stuff like that, but I know it’s a big deal with people who learn Japanese for some reason (maybe a lot of gamer overlap? Or it’s just a popular language?)
In any case, for people who are in fact feeling discouraged, don’t! This is amazing, but it’s far from the norm, and it’s far from what’s needed to eventually speak Japanese fluently. Don’t think there’s one best way to learn this language, because all sorts of people respond to all sorts of methods.
It’s why r/ChillJapanese ended up branching out of this sub. Some people just want to have fun while learning Japanese and not compete aggressively with other learners to see who optimizes the Joyo Kanji quicker. Especially because you can learn Japanese without doing that anyways.
Also, don’t buy into the hype that many self proclaimed online gurus try to spread around by offering courses or saying they’re going to “teach you” perfect Japanese in eight months. Those are scams. OP did nothing of the sort, so I’m just assuming she’s pretty amazing and that’s that.
That being said, though, holy shit OP what the fuck hahaha
[–]wakazuki 18 points19 points20 points  (2 children)
OP had a lot of fun learning Japanese too. "Speedrunners" don't do it because they want to brag but because they are hugely enjoying the content + the process. And much like OP doesn't seem to have an intention to brag, most speedrunners have no issues with other people taking it slowly. It's just some people take offense when reading this kind of post and I really wonder why. Why not just taking the precious advice that's distilled?
[–]douglas_in_philly 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
I think it's just because if we're learning Japanese, we want to be fluent in 8.5 months or whatever insanely short period of time we can. And we naturally get jealous when someone else has done what we want. Nevermind the fact that it required a Herculean devotion of time and effort....we still wish it was us.
[–]Masterkid1230 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
I think because methods rarely work for everyone. Some people will see this and think “wow, I’m gonna do that!” Others will go “damn, I have to consume only Japanese content 6 hours a day for a year? No way I can do that.”
As one commenter put it: you have to optimize for not dropping the language, not for cramming more hours per day.
For every “immersion” success story, there are thousands of people who burnt out because they thought it was “the best way”, instead of choosing an approach that worked better for them.
For some, speedrunning is the best method, for others, it’s the fastest way to drop out.
I guess what I’m saying is that you should take stories like OP’s with a grain of salt, because you don’t have to do that to get good at Japanese if you don’t want to, or you simply can’t. There are other ways to get there that might work better for other people. It’s an important disclaimer to have with stories like these.
Otherwise you get your mattvsjapans out there scamming people who have been tricked into thinking this is the only way to learn.
[–]calebsaellis 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
this is the type of comment a salty person would write. Nobody here is getting discouraged from this.
[–]Masterkid1230 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
That’s odd, I really have no reason to be salty (?) but maybe I’m misjudging how people will react to some things.
Then again, I have definitely talked to people who don’t like the speedrunning mentality, and absolutely wish there could be other kinds of communities online. I’m mostly speaking based on meeting those people, since I’m already working in Japanese all day every day anyways. I’m browsing this sub mostly to help out with advice and comments I can provide.
[–]autoditactics 18 points19 points20 points  (2 children)
Her Urdu background could have also given her a slight edge since (correct me if I'm wrong) it's also a SOV language with a postpositional system. Still really amazing. I thought Stevi's 18 months was really fast when the only 18 month learners I knew at the time were Koreans. Shows there's still a lot of optimizations to do in the N1 category ;)
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    [–]Simcn 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Yep, the effort they put in is insane! I’m incredibly impressed, though I have no intention of doing it myself anymore hah! I tried during the middle of summer, lasted about a week, got burned out, and then ended up doing nothing for a month before getting back into it on an easier schedule, which too ended up being too much, making for yet another break.
    Now I’m studying at a very leisurely pace, a little Wanikani every day, some grammar here and there and some immersion when I feel like it! Sure, it’ll take me many years before getting to OP’s level, but it’s better than quitting entirely :)
    [–]brokenalready -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Agree individual savants don’t make good yardsticks
    [–]Soldat56 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Thanks for the kind message, sometimes I just feel like I lost my capacity to learn languages.
    I started off really young learning French and English and now master them both better than my main language.
    However I tried learning Spanish, and I still do not speak it correctly, and Japanese. I gave up on Japanese after awhile but I guess I'll get back to it.
    [–]PrincessZaiross -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Thank you, sometimes I just need to hear this. Of course I'm happy for others when achieving a skill so fast, but I tend to read more posts like this than from persons who are studying far less a day like me. Even though I know I'm good at languages, seeing myself still scratching N3 after almost 3 years, it can be discouraging sometimes ngl.
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      [–]eateggseveryday 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      People are discouraged precisely because OP is not an average person, as the average person always have the delusion they are a special person. A special person is precisely that - dedicated, motivated, action oriented, not easily distracted person. Most people are like grass bending here and there according to whim but special people are like trees, they go straight and strong and rather be broken and destroyed rather than changing their convictions.
      [–]Toowoombas 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
      I've seen a lot of Japanese learners who got JLPT N1 within 6 months. However, I have to say that;
      • Only a small portion of Japanese learners (started from zero base) achieved JLPT N1 within 6 months, no matter how many hours they've put into.
      • More than 90% of them were either Koreans, Chinese, Hongkongers, Taiwanese. It is a very rare feat for any Indo-European language native speaker.
      • Generally speaking, Koreans do better than Chinese/Hongkoners/Taiwanese, even though they usually know a lot less Kanjis, because of the similarity in grammar, structure, etc.
      • I've seen some Koreans got JLPT N1 around 500 hours mark (if they already knew many Kanjis and good language learning ability), or even less (not only knew many kanjis but also have a good amount of prior exposure to animes, mangas, etc). But the majority of Koreans need roughly 1000-1500 hours to pass JLPT N1 (if they started from nothing).
      • Also, they usually got somewhere around 120-150, not 180 (never seen anyone who started from nothing and manage to hit 180 within 6 months). The fastest Korean I've ever seen, manage to got JLPT N1 in 2 months (10 hours a day), even though he started from nothing except for roughly 15 kanjis. But his score was only 120.
      [–]UnwilledTangent 93 points94 points95 points  (25 children)
      You mentioned that you have to balance between your 9-5 summer job, as well as immerse in Japanese for about 7 hours per day. If you sleep for 7 hours, that leaves you with 2 hours of rest everyday. How do you balance between your huge work commitment and rest?
      [–]Jazzy-99[S] 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
      I tend to put a lot of time into the things I enjoy and am passionate about so there is an element of discipline but more than anything it's what kyousei8 mentioned - I was really enjoying what I was reading at the time and that time was my rest, in the same way many would spend that time playing games or another hobby instead. Also, that job was only for a month and that 6-7 hours a day was an average, meaning that it was heavily weighted by certain days (especially weekends). I was still consistently going to the gym and was still going out with friends (albeit a lot less frequently because of COVID) it's just that on those days I'd immerse slightly less and then make up for it on the other days. I honestly believe that spending time like that to stay mentally/physically healthy is very important in order to be able to keep going with studying Japanese too (I mention this in my tips that I wrote too).
      [–]UnwilledTangent 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Wow! Thanks a lot for commenting! I really appreciate your reply! There's definitely some things that I can learn and apply from you, senpai!
      [–]kyousei8 72 points73 points74 points  (3 children)
      It sounds like OP enjoyed their studying, since most of it was things they liked. For them, that might have been their "rest".
      [–]UnwilledTangent 25 points26 points27 points  (2 children)
      I think so too. Personally I cannot sustain 7 hours of immersion per day. Only at most 1 hour per day. On average 30 mins. This is on top of the university work commitments that I have.
      I won't compare to others. I'll just run my own race to reach fluency, albeit at a slower pace.
      [–]pudding321 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
      I don't think most people will or should sacrifice their university or work commitments to pursue a hobby that takes up that much time.
      [–]EI_TokyoTeddyBear 16 points17 points18 points  (12 children)
      Forget rest, showering and eating during those 2 hours.
      [–]UnwilledTangent 17 points18 points19 points  (11 children)
      Precisely, that's my problem with this post. What about exercising? Spending time with friends and family? Doing the housework? Is it actually possible to commit to a summer job and intensive immersion in Japanese while still taking care of your basic needs?
      [–]AlexNae 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
      you have to sacrifice things, op sacrificed those things to get there faster I guess.
      [–]DJKuuhaku comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (6 children)
      Who cares about anything else when you have goals to accomplish. There is just a mindset disconnect with the large majority of people here. All the big achivers in the world have similar stories, pure focus on a single goal all day, they then invest those months for a lifetime of reward
      [–]UnwilledTangent 8 points9 points10 points  (5 children)
      Accomplishing your goals "without caring about anything else" will lead to a burnout in most cases. I wonder how people like OP do not burnout.
      Props for OP for keeping up for 8.5 months though.
      [–]DJKuuhaku -4 points-3 points-2 points  (4 children)
      Agreed, my only issue with this is that anacdotally from those around me usually whenever "burnout" is brought up its only used as a way to excuse themselves from failing to accomplish their own goals. When you have a burning passion for something that fully consumes you and that is all you want in life, spending that time is fufilling in itself. Its obsessive people like OP that you end up hearing about accomplishing great things in life.
      [–]UnwilledTangent 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
      I understand where you are coming from. Though there is a need to balance between your goals and mental health.
      [–]wakazuki 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
      The fact you're being downvoted is extremely funny and telling a lot about the mindset in this sub.
      [–]UnwilledTangent 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
      Just curious. So what does it tell you about the mindset of this sub? :) Just wanted to discuss.
      [–]Andernerd -5 points-4 points-3 points  (1 child)
      This is reddit. Where did the expectation of exercise come from?
      [–]UnwilledTangent 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      It's not about Reddit or not. Exercising is healthy in general.
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        [–]waywayzz 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
        I'm curious about that as well. I'm also an undergrad and I cannot fathom how OP could find the time to study for 6+ hours per day, alongside coursework, housework, cooking, exercise, etc.
        I guess the mean time spent is a bad indicator of the actual schedule OP had. For example, during holidays/weekends their output could have been upwards of 10+ hours whereas during weekdays they could have been doing less than 6 hours, so the mean averaged out to 6.5
        [–]Osimov 108 points109 points110 points  (2 children)
        I can’t decide if this is inspiring or utterly demotivating lol. Congrats either way, that’s insane. I wish I spent my free time doing something as productive as that.
        [–]Jazzy-99[S] 20 points21 points22 points  (1 child)
        Thanks, honestly I have regrets like that from when I was younger, wishing that I'd spent my time better. That's partially what drives me to try and do better as I've gotten older, to try and avoid the same regrets as much as I can - since, while we can't do much about the past, we can all make positive change in the present.
        [–]eateggseveryday 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        You are a highly motivated and dedicated person, I wish you luck in everything you do.
        [–]ucnt1 425 points426 points427 points  (38 children)
        Top 3 things this kind of posts do
        1. Make people quit learning Japanese
        2. Serve as a vessel for OP's ego
        3. Inspire people
        [–]92taurusj 115 points116 points117 points  (0 children)
        In that exact order, too.
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          [–]LanguageIdiot 33 points34 points35 points  (12 children)
          "OP did it on purpose, because "I scored perfect N1 after 3,200+ hours of study!" isn't as attention-grabbing."
          Not only that, I think the OP is not being totally honest. It's simply impossible for a physics major to have 6 hours of free time a day. Even if possible, can you do 6 hours of Japanese after doing intense math for 2 hours (let's say)? The human brain needs rest, geniuses are no exception.
          [–]svenz 22 points23 points24 points  (1 child)
          Some people just have amazing capacity for learning, especially in their early 20s. I think it's certainly possible for the right person.
          [–]renlok 22 points23 points24 points  (1 child)
          I have a physics degree and you could definatly sit and watch 6 hours of anime during the day if you did nothing else. A physics degree is not some god like challenge.
          [–]Get_the_instructions 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
          Yes, but could you pass N1 with a perfect score afterwards?
          [–]pabpab999 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
          if you enjoy the things your training for, I think its possible
          of course what OP did is not something an average person can/would do
          [–]honkoku 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
          They may not be lying. There are people who find studying Japanese as fun as other people find video games, TV, or whatever. They don't find it stressful or intense. Most people aren't like this, but the few that are can make huge progress in the language in a relatively short amount of time. I actually felt this way when I was studying, although not to OP's degree. I worked a 8-5 job that I hated, and I studied Japanese for an hour or two most evenings because I did enjoy it; it felt good to do something intellectual after the horrible job I worked.
          I do think that you need to find some measure of fun or accomplishment in the process of studying to reach a high level, but not to the degree that some people do.
          [–]TheMajomfeju 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
          You should do some intense math too after mistaking 1500 hours for 3200. I think you're simply just coping.
          [–]LanguageIdiot comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (3 children)
          See, I went from zero to N1 in three months. I don't need to cope.
          [–]kyousei8 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
          Username checks out. Cope harder
          [–]kyoroy 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
          EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
          [–]LanguageIdiot -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
          I'm sorry my fast progress offended you. (In all seriousness, I was just proving you can make any wild claims on the internet to one-up people)
          [–]eateggseveryday 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Some people are just genius, don't be jealous.
          [–]SomeoneOnTheMun 24 points25 points26 points  (0 children)
          Well glad I got inspired... haha didnt buy the clannad VN for no reason now I gotta actually read it.
          [–]Status_Pollution3776 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
          Good thing it inspired me 🤣
          [–]Older_1 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
          I am hella inspired to study 6+ hours a day (and I know I can because you tried before) but I have federal exams to study for, sadly.
          [–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
          If people quit after reading this then they would have quit after encountering some other dispiriting thing, such as realizing that they still can barely understand their favorite show. So no real loss there.
          [–]TheMajomfeju 4 points5 points6 points  (18 children)
          If people quit because they see a more successful person providing the key of getting better, they would never have made it anyway.
          [–]brokenalready 23 points24 points25 points  (17 children)
          Anecdotes aren’t the key to get better, doing the actual work is
          [–]Ritchuck 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
          But they can still be helpful advise.
          [–]kachigumiriajuu 6 points7 points8 points  (15 children)
          a normal, non-butt hurt person (or only somewhat butt hurt) would hear an anecdote like this and feel very inspired and encouraged to do better, as well as take away some healthy advice from it.
          [–]brokenalready -2 points-1 points0 points  (11 children)
          I’m not butt hurt and I’m fluent already and live in japan so it’s not a competition for me.
          The timeline is unrealistic for most people and definitely not enjoyable. It’s clickbait in the same way six pack shortcuts are. There’s a whole lot of work and adaptation going into learning a language and I really don’t understand the obsession with doing it as fast as possible
          [–]kachigumiriajuu 4 points5 points6 points  (10 children)
          it’s likely that you’re still butthurt because he did it much faster than you and is getting a lot of positive attention for it.
          [–]kyousei8 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
          I don't even know what I'm suppose to be looking at that's such a "gotcha". Maybe all his discord posts over the past 8~9 months too were an elaborate long con too. /s
          The cope in here is unbelievable.
          [–]FoolishStrawberry 103 points104 points105 points  (7 children)
          The 2021 December JLPT exam was cancelled in the UK. Did you do the exam in another country??
          [–]LanguageIdiot 72 points73 points74 points  (4 children)
          Just enjoy the story, don't ask about the plot holes.
          [–]kyousei8 60 points61 points62 points  (1 child)
          Screenshot and direct link of OP saying he'll take it in another non-UK country back in August. u/FoolishStrawberry
          [–]FoolishStrawberry 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
          Okay cool :) ty for that
          [–]FoolishStrawberry comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (1 child)
          lmao true but it really puts its validity into question imo.
          [–]plsm8 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
          he took it in his home country
          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 12 points13 points14 points  (1 child)
          Seems like others have already answered but yes I was visiting some relatives in another country during December where the JLPT wasn't cancelled, I know quite a few others who also caught a flight in order to take the JLPT this year so figured it wasn't worth mentioning. But perhaps I should've explicitly stated that in my post.
          [–]FoolishStrawberry 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Yeah I had friends who did the same and was wondering about it. Very impressive achievement, well done!
          [–]autoditactics 40 points41 points42 points  (10 children)
          This is awesome to see! 50 new words a day seems also like a pretty crazy amount to rep in 30 minutes, so how many reviews was that per day? And did just learn all the kanji through other vocab?
          [–]vesperpepper 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
          For me, the problem is more that a lot of those 50 words would be gone from my head the next day, and I'd be scheduled to learn 50 more on top of the ones from the day before. It would compound until it felt out of control. I hate that chaotic feeling.
          I like to work more slowly, but with a solid sense that I will never lose what I've learned so far. Around 2 years in working full time I'm at several thousand words & around 1100 kanji with readings, with very solid retention even after several years of only infrequent use.
          I think a slower and more methodical approach (including grammar study) works well for those of us who only have an hour or two at most to dedicate per day, and some days where there won't be time at all. (Like working 8-10 hr days + needing to cook for and spend time with family, other rewarding hobbies, etc).
          Speaking of hobbies, I bought nice Japanese paper (midori md grid notebooks), fountain pens and ink (pilot f nib and iroshizuku ink) and turned my kanji practice into handwriting practice, which has been really fun. Everything else I do for work and hobbies is on my PC, so I really enjoy how tactile it is to write out kanji. I hadn't had to really hand write anything since college 15 years ago, so it took getting used to. My handwriting has come a long way! I've always loved kanji and enjoy being able to write them beautifully. I change inks every month, and am about to finish my third book full. Given 176 pages per book and 260 grid spots per page, I'm at well over 100k characters written at this point. Its very zen, I just sit and put on music and write without worrying about other responsibilities.
          My goal for now is to get to N3 or so before visas open back up, then study full time in Japan and properly enjoy going further, feeling confident in already being conversational. I do a weekly class for speaking, but it has been hard finding language partners to speak outside of that with limited time to schedule it in.
          All that to say, we all have out own unique journey and approach.
          [–]UnwilledTangent 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
          Not OP too: I also learned 67 cards per day not too long ago so that I can rush through the Core 2k Anki Deck during my winter break.
          I took about 2 hours to learn the new words, and about 1 hour to review learnt words. I have about 250 cards to review per day. Therefore, in total I spent about 3 hours to learn the Anki deck.
          OP and accendino69 are much faster than me.
          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
          Thanks! My reviews were usually within the 200-300 range per day and yes I learnt kanji purely through vocab, not in isolation via RTK or other similar methods.
          [–]KozKatma 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          If you're still replying to comments on this- could I get the name of the light novel series you read? Also did you read it online or buy it to read?
          [–]Accendino69 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
          not OP: I also learned 50 new cards a day for about 3-4 months and I averaged 35 minutes. I had about 250-300 reviews per day. I learned kanji first with RTK ( not necessary on hindsight but maybe it made things easier, I will never know ) then for the non-joyo kanji I only learned with Anki.
          [–]autoditactics 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
          Were your cards monolingual sentence cards? Or just dual-language vocab cards?
          [–]Accendino69 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
          I exclusively did and continue to do dual language vocab cards as I think it's the fastest way to learn new cards and rep them out. I wasnt fixated on learning the English translation as its useless, but more so the feeling of the meaning.
          Not sure how OP took only 30 minutes with sentence cards mixed in the deck. Perhaps he had even less reviews than me with better settings.
          [–]autoditactics 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
          Seems like they're just a god at reading, considering they said they didn't fiddle too much with the settings aside from doing Animecards.
          [–]BrutalFeather 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          I used to do 70 new words and 50 new Kanjis everyday. It can take 1.5 hours to 2 hours and sometimes reaches 500+ reviews per day.
          [–]michaelscott33 55 points56 points57 points  (2 children)
          damn and people call me insane for getting N2 from scratch in under two years...
          [–]quistissquall 58 points59 points60 points  (0 children)
          it's still insane. congrats.
          [–]behold_the_castrato 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
          I recently talked with someone who claimed to have done N1 in 1.5 years and that this is normal and having many friends that did so too.
          It seems very impressive to me to do N1 in 1.5 years, not something many can do.
          [–]eruciform 52 points53 points54 points  (10 children)
          A very important consideration for any readers of posts like this to take into account is that results vary from person to person drastically, even with identical input. While it's not unheard of for someone with this amount of focus to achieve this, it's extremely rare, even within the subset of people that attempt this. That's not to say that the above isn't good advice - it is, all those techniques are completely valid. But another person that spends the exact amount of time, at the exact same pace, doing the exact same things, will not necessarily get the same results within the same time frame.
          Is this jealously speaking here? Definitely, damn straight. Several years ago, inbetween full time jobs, I spent a considerable amount of time doing the above, at a many hours per day rate (perhaps even more than the OP, for month long sprints at a time, here and there) for 2 years. It still took me over a year to get through one full novel the first time, memorizing all the words as I went. I have my 3000 hand made flash cards to show for it, my study book with timelines and measurements. And that wasn't even the only thing I was working on at the time. I made very important strides in learning. But I never achieved anything within an order of magnitude of what was achieved here. And I'm not exactly a slowpoke with learning things, including in languages.
          So on one hand I'm sure the OP is proud of their work, and they should be, but on the other hand, this is not a reasonable expectation for outcomes, even given identical input, from another random person. The above is not advice that is actionable that will get anyone that does it at the same rate to get a perfect score on N1 in a year. The OP is privileged to have a lot of natural ability in this, on top of the amount of hard work involved.
          My advice for others is to absolutely consider using the above techniques, but to strongly temper your expectations. Some people just possess particular mental faculties that are amenable to absorbing languages like a sponge, and most do not have this. I don't. It's not to say that others can't learn - we can. But ending up being as much as an order of magnitude slower than this, even with identical focus, is also completely within reason.
          If you hear stories about 6 year olds doing calculus, or people speed reading a book and being able to recall what's on page 52, you'd also be amazed but not expect that from yourself, right? Let's put this into perspective:
          Consider, for example, the many thousands of people that do actually move to Japan, do actually immerse daily, do actually need to use it for their jobs, and also on top of it take classes frequently, and engage in reading and tv daily for hours... FAR more hours, at a har higher rate than the OP, with direct 2-way native engagement... most of them do not pass N1 in a year, and close to zero with a perfect score.
          On top of that, this person said they spent about 1500 hours. N1 requires 10,000 words of vocab. That's 7 words per hour, 40-50/day, nonstop with perfect recall (otherwise if any slipped than they'd have to be re-memorized). Average overall time spent up to N1 that I've read is more in the 3000-4000h range, even for those that have done it in a year, yes that means 8-10 hours a day, a full time job of studying. Yet this is double that rate, maybe even triple.
          And on top of that, before approximately the N3-passed point, which is maybe halfway time-wise in most study arcs from zero to N1, it's extremely difficult to get much out of native material. It's too fast, too dense with unknown words, too much unknown kanji. (N5-N4 studiers don't just pick up newspapers and manga, or listen to tv or anime or radio, and get much out of it.) So, much of the immersion factor is going to be absorbed in the second half of this person's 8.5 month time period, shrinking the valid absorption timeline down to maybe 4-5 months of actually understanding a reasonable percentage of native material.
          And that's just vocab. Not even kanji for the vocab, for that they somehow managed perfect recall of 2500 new letters in less than 1500 hours while overlapping everything else they did. Stress on the perfect part - the JPLT tests love to throw in homophones and very easily confused kanji, and yet the OP didn't trip up on a single one of these once.
          For a bit more context, native learners pick up vocab from directly consuming media at about 1/10-1/4 of a word per minute of listening or reading. So if the OP spent half that 1500 hours just listening and reading, so 750 hours, then at the high end that would be 750*60/4=11250 words from that alone. Assuming retention on the high end of native acclimation. So we're in the right order of magnitude here, it's not like claiming 100k words in that timeline, but it's at the limit, even for natives.
          Also, native learners are expected to learn the 2500 or so joyo kanji by high school. So middle school students in Japan still have about 1200 or so kanji to learn in their 3 years or so, and as we can imagine, not all Japanese natives get 100% on their kanji tests. And theirs is a situation of 100% perfect immersion, bombarded by all senses, 24 hours a day, with vocabulary and kanji. So the OP memorized and internalized kanji at 2500/8mo=312/mo compared to 1200/36mo=33/mo that native middle schoolers would be expected to. Now, adults have different learning rates and focus than middle schoolers, but that's ten times the rate. Again, just keeping this in context.
          Perhaps a minor point, but one part that sticks out to me is all the written-only, stiff, literary grammar points that the N1 specifically is filled with, that don't even crop up in native material all that often. And yet this person got a perfect score on that stuff, too. Without studying N1-specific material, they said. So I'm wondering what they read or listened to that filled in all of these rare occurrence patterns that are at best uncommon in modern media content, that the JLPT loves to trip us all up with.
          Color me skeptical that either this person is a memorizing savant, or something else is going on here. Honestly this borders on not believable, like photographic memory. Physically possible? Yes, this is within the order of magnitude of human limits, it's not an impossible claim outright... But, most cannot. (I wonder if their total hour measurement or start date are off in some way, for starters.)
          At any rate, this is not a study expectation or results target that one aims for. If it's inspiring, great. But I can imagine how it's also terrifying. Just manage expectations; you'll get there, I'll get there, we'll do it together, it just won't be on this kind of timeline.
          [–]leonyuu16 42 points43 points44 points  (6 children)
          I sometimes don't get posts like OP's and whether to think it's inspiring or not.
          I feel like OP's a rare case of natural aptitude and hard work both paying off dividends in his language learning. You just don't improve that fast without having the knack and an amazing memory for retention of information.
          I've already passed N1 2 years ago and just pretty much consume native content daily so it doesn't really faze me, but I can see how this can be very demoralizing for some people.
          [–]eruciform 34 points35 points36 points  (4 children)
          honestly i don't think it's inspiring for most, it's scary. some people responded that it was inspiring, but i think the silent majority that don't even want to comment at all, either out of embarassment or being scared to be shouted down about it, find it terrifying and demoralizing.
          this person obviously has 1% of the 1% of the 1% of retention ability. that doesn't knock the hard work, this was a lot of hours. but anyone else giving 1500 hours is not going to get there. i put in way more than that and didn't, and that's just me.
          yeah, i'm at the "probably would have passed n1 this year if my city wasn't closed for the plague", and my recent study rate was basically that i passed n3 4 years ago and should have passed n1 this year.
          my n2 study period looked a lot like the OPs above, and i got way more progress than any of my study colleagues, they were all very jealous of me, but it was 100% time burned between full time jobs that no one else could keep up with. and now i'm back to a very slow study rate like the rest of the full time working plebs.
          [–]vesperpepper 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
          The thing that I find about having a brief period to cram lots of review is that once I have to go back to the slow and steady balance against real life type of schedule, I lose a lot of what I crammed. Even with Anki, I'm just not using the newly learned material frequently enough once my schedule becomes limited again. I hate that feeling of stuff I put time into leaking back out of my memory.
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            [–]eateggseveryday 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
            Yeah OP is inspiring, but us normal people really should not base our self esteem on abnormal people. It's like looking at Scarlett Johansson and become sad you are not born beautiful. There's no point! Some people are just born perfect to accomplish some tasks.
            [–]Tight_Cod_8024 -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
            Why is every comment like this. If you feel discouraged you have a bad mind set. Instead of thinking about quitting think about what others are doing to get good results and learn something from them
            You people are so salty and negative. How about try to build the habits that helped op improve instead of talking about how discouraging they are
            [–]eruciform 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
            how about you consider that different people are inspired by different things and mind your own business instead of putting other people down
            [–]icyserene 32 points33 points34 points  (3 children)
            Is anyone else confused on how they got grammar down? I assume that they found the meanings of their sentences and then could piece together how the words together, but that seems really tedious. Maybe they meant that they researched grammar when they were looking words up, so it wasn’t focused but that allowed them to proceed?
            Edit: I read more carefully and it seemed like they did the second while reading novels, but I’m not still sure how someone would do the first at a decent pace which seems implied like they did in the beginning.
            [–]mewslie 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
            Some people are really good at picking up patterns in language compared to others. You have to remember that studies from which these methods are derived from generalize for a population.
            Anecdotally, I've seen my own mother "pick up" languages just from listening and talking to people, well into adulthood. Whereas her magic language genes skipped me and I need a text book, or someone to point things out to me.
            [–]eateggseveryday 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
            Well they get grammar down the same way you get your native grammar down - just continuously exposed to the same structure over and over and over again. Eventhough my English output is pretty wonky in relation to time tenses etc because there's none of that in my native language, I understand just fine when I read or listen.
            [–]benbeginagain 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
            Yomichan. If you have good/many dictionaries installed it grabs grammar and gives you the gist of it. If there's something Yomichan doesn't grab you can look it up.
            [–]ThrowRA-pipi-caca 52 points53 points54 points  (8 children)
            Did you take the test on another country? December JLPT was cancelled in the UK but you say you are from there.
            [–]LanguageIdiot 9 points10 points11 points  (4 children)
            I don't believe what this post says at all.
            [–]BlackBlueBlueBlack 54 points55 points56 points  (2 children)
            He visited his relatives for the JLPT. Judging from the rest of your comments you really are just coping lmao.
            [–]LanguageIdiot comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (1 child)
            I can give him the benefit of the doubt over this one, but other things still don't add up. The most suspicious is him being a physics major. If you do 6 hours of Japanese daily you won't have time for physics and will fail out of school. Anyone who's studied physics can attest to that.
            [–]YourPureSexcellence 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
            Physics major here. I will give OP the benefit of the doubt. But no, I won't dismiss your comment either. I majored in physics and I can attest that to major in physics is NOT trivial. My school's average has around 7 graduating physics majors in the entire university of ~15K students. Physics is one of the hardest majors on average for a university for a reason. There is a LOT of attrition and it isn't simply because of a lack of mathematical maturity or smartness. It is the entire load and the amount of time needed to get through. The kinds of problems encountered in physics need time and digestion to get through. Concepts need hours every day to absorb and the rigors of some physics departments are so steep as to make the course-load unwieldy for those that simply are not fully committed and devoted. In my opinion, 4 year degrees with basic studies requirements PLUS the physics major requirements isn't ENOUGH for the physics major. Physics is THE weed-out major. I could simply NOT imagine having added any amount of Japanese study during my physics undergrad and I was an average A-B student without a job at the time and endless time to study. I find it VERY hard to believe OP devoted 7ish hours per day on Japanese and completely left out their physics routine. However again, I am not them. I will give them the benefit of a doubt as it isn't impossible, but that is my perspective.
            [–]TheMajomfeju comment score below threshold-23 points-22 points-21 points  (0 children)
            You are pathetic lmao
            [–]Routine_Ingenuity853 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
            Yeah it's been impossible to sit the jlpt in the UK for a while, I think the last time was December 2019?
            [–]derpydoopie -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
            only University of Edinburgh didn't cancel the December test, the rest are cancelled
            https://www.jlpt.jp/e/application/overseas\_list.html
            [–]AwkwardLemon_ 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
            Edinburgh cancelled both tests in 2021, it might not have been updated everywhere but I can confirm (as can anyone else who has been hoping to take the test in the UK since 2020).
            [–]MadnessInteractive 56 points57 points58 points  (8 children)
            Assuming this isn't an elaborate troll, this has to be a world record, right? I've always found stories about people passing N1 from scratch in <18 months totally ridiculous but this is a whole other level of insane. If anyone is reading this and feels discouraged, don't. For 99.9% of people, this sort of pace is totally unachievable, even with extremely hard work. OP is much more intelligent than the average person and has an exceptionally good memory.
            [–]BlackBlueBlueBlack 31 points32 points33 points  (1 child)
            There is another person called Aussieman who reached N1 within <9 months so the holder of the world record (for non CJK people) is ambiguous. The OP did get a higher score though.
            [–]ZeonPeonTree 26 points27 points28 points  (0 children)
            Aussieman pass was very ギリギリ
            [–]DESPRENDIMIENTO 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
            More like 99.9999% , yes. Sounds highly highly unlikely , moreso for a physics major.
            The guy is 170 IQ probably.
            completely crazy even for intelligent+very diligent people.
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              [–]robybeck -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
              In addition to exceptionally good memory, exceptional cognitive ability to pull abstracts into clear line of understanding, something about his physics degree background that helped. My experience with computer science has also helped with grammar/linguistic understanding, and sentence construction before. Obviously, the most important part is his love to study, which makes all the hours into reading, not a chore at all.
              [–]soku1 -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
              Irc...a korean person got n1 in 3 months studying specifically for the test. Ofc the huge grammar and vocabulary overlap help.
              [–]eateggseveryday 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              Some people are just better - more beautiful, more intelligent, more athletic etc etc. Most people can't go to the Olympics or the Miss Universe, but that doesn't mean normal people can't dedicate some time exercising or doing nice skin care.
              [–]mcsluethburg 46 points47 points48 points  (5 children)
              I find it hilarious that this sub frequently shits on 4chan yet almost every success story I’ve ever read on this sub or elsewhere references people using DJT/4chan based materials. I’ve actually never seen a post about someone succeeding based on resources from this sub.
              [–]kyousei8 38 points39 points40 points  (2 children)
              Probably because people using 4chan/DJT methods just unabashedly pirate almost everything and openly share these resources with one another. On multiple of the 4chan / DJT method places, people get directed to essentially a giant library. If something's not there and someone has it, they share it so everyone can access it. While here I got banned for a month for linking someone to the online DoGJ grammar index (not the pdf scans, a typed out web page) when another user made a stink about me not directing someone to buy the physical books. I understand the mods are trying to stay on reddit's good side, but I think it has a detrimental effect on people's learning.
              People are more willing to try riskier things, like VNs or a new to them manga or LN series, if they don't have to second guess their choice. "Will I like this or will I have wasted my money?" "Is this really the most optimal thing I could be spending my money on?" "Too expensive. I have to wait until it's on sale." That second guessing doesn't have nearly as much of an effect when you're just clicking "download" on meow, mischievous cat, African antelope games, or Chinese cartoon bits. The most that happens is you say "screw this" and delete it.
              [–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
              also when it comes to anime, streaming sites are simply not designed for japanese learners. in fact they probably make more money in the long run if no one in the west learns japanese. its a conflict of interest
              [–]kyousei8 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
              Plus the exclusivity / licencing is another barrier to entry / usefulness. I don't know how many people I've seen from developing countries, or just developed non English speaking countries, who say "I want to watch this but it is completely unavailbe in my country", oftentimes with the cost of physical or something being a significant part of their monthly earnings anyway.
              [–]plsm8 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
              kyousei8 said everything you need to know. i started with this sub and that lead me nowhere. found djt and other immersion servers and passed n1 this year.
              [–]blessedrng 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              yup lol
              [–]Necessary_Pool 115 points116 points117 points  (27 children)
              This post is already getting some criticism, even after only being up for a few hours.I'd like to caution against taking the advice of people who say things like "Only geniuses can do things like this" and "This is only possible for those absolutely overwhelmed with free time." These are incredibly impressive results, like absolutely, overwhelmingly impressive. I'm sure that Jazzy's personal ability certainly was a great asset here. However, I'd say, more than inherent intelligence or language learning ability, the thing that helped Jazzy most was dilligence and dedication. Consistency is what gets these kinds of results. It is remarkably hard, especially as a beginner, to push through and spend hours with Japanese. Free time, of course, certainly helps. However, I think it's worth noting that this time is not spent doing workbook drills or studying at a desk. The grand majority is spent just enjoying Japanese media. This is fun time, not study time. I think that helps a lot.
              I think there's unfortunately a lot of people in the Japanese learning community that give advice they're just not qualified to make. This goes beyond people giving long replies to questions like (made up question so as not to put anyone on the spot) "How do I reach a level where I can comfortably read classic Japanese literature?" when they're at a level where they can't read even simple stuff comfortably. These people exist, and they're obnoxious, but honestly like 80% of the time, their advice is honestly fine? For my theoretical example question, I'd imagine the answer is obvious pretty much no matter the level "Work on your vocab and grammar, and keep reading". So who cares.
              My issue lies more with people who come into a thread from someone who passed the N1 with full marks in 8.5 months and their first response amounts to "Yeah, but...".
              These come in a variety of flavors:
              "Yeah, but if I just had that kind of time, I could do the same thing!"
              What do you do with the free time you do have, taking away time dedicated to relationships and work? You clearly have some time like this, since you're on reddit. Sure, it took Jazzy an average of six hours a day to get a perfect score on N1. That's a good bit harder than, for instance, narrowly passing. That is, you can certainly pass N1 in 8.5 months with way less than 6 hours a day
              "Yeah, but you're just some kind of genius or something..."
              Have you ever tried doing something like this? I promise you that these kinds of feats of hyper intelligence mostly just amount to dedication and diligence. I see it as almost rude in a way to say this to someone, in that you're basically telling someone that they "cheated" their way to victory instead of relying on hard work.
              Yeah, but N1 doesn't test output ability..."
              No, it doesn't. But it certainly does test to make sure test takers have a fundamentally solid grasp on Japanese grammar and usage. Sure, I doubt Jazzy is ready to go on TV and talk about politics. But they're absolutely primed to get there real quick with some effort. The inability to output well while having solid input ability gets framed as if output ability is still at the start line, as if they'll need to go to the local community college and take Japanese 1 with everyone else to reach the point where they can output well. This, of course, is kind of ludicrous given that they already have the vocab, the grammar, and the fundamental language ability. They can get that output ability relatively quick.
              In short, I'd encourage taking Jazzy's advice as much as possible, adapting it to something that works in your life. I'm sure there are a lot of people here who don't have 6 hours or the ENERGY necessary for 6 hours. That doesn't make you a failure.
              I'd also recommend being careful where you take your advice from. If someone regularly says things like "Not even natives can read stuff like this!" (literate natives can, assuming it's not literal Classical Japanese), "I can read JLPT N3 level manga fine but JLPT N2 level manga are too much for me" (Beware people that judge media difficulty. Some things are easier for beginners and some things are notably challenging. But ANYTHING meant for Japanese natives is "JLPT N1". That is, there's going to be the occasional rare word, super literary grammar point, super casual grammar point, kobun phrase, etc. The JLPT comparisons are a surefire sign of an upper beginner Japanese learner or someone very unfamiliar with the JLPT tests. And it's rarely the latter. A similar criticism goes for notions of JLPT N-level vocab or grammar. There's also a unique phenomenon in these communities of people living and working in Japan while having completely awful language ability. "I can talk just fine with my colleagues and friends!" being used as proof of ability is a surefire sign of someone incompetent. Someone with real listening competence will know better than to use this as proof of ability. "I can follow my Japanese colleagues and friends' conversations with one another about any subject with little difficulty", for instance, IS a good sign. Same with "I can follow the news and a wide variety of Japanese media (not just limited to anime or slice of life dramas) comfortably.", which is a good indicator that someone knows what they're talking about when it comes to listening. For reading, the thing to look out for are the same things as listening ability AND in addition the ability to read Japanese literary fiction (which tends to use a very full range of vocab and grammar). You might be surprised by the inclusion of listening ability in there, but when reading, you're very likely to come across shortened or colloquialized phrases that are near impossible to parse without some listening ability.
              Apologies for this overly long comment. I just have a lot of thoughts from 3 years of seeing how advice is given to beginners and the kind of attitudes that are held.
              [–]Jazzy-99[S] 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
              Thanks for the comment! I highly agree with the bit about it being fun time rather than study time. Also, thanks for mentioning the point about trying to adapt the advice I've tried to give - my intention with this post definitely wasn't to suggest that 6+ hours a day is needed to get to a high level in Japanese (and that sort of idea isn't propagated anywhere in my post so I'm not sure how some people came to that conclusion). It was simply to show the effectiveness of focused reading and listening when done consistently, as well as some of the useful tools available.
              [–]premiere-anon 22 points23 points24 points  (6 children)
              Agree 100%
              I wish people's proven Japanese level was attached next to their name when they give advice on Reddit. TMW and DJT do this and it's a great benefit to moving the community forward instead of everyone going off in random directions from bad advice (even if it's good intentioned)
              [–]gambs 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
              FWIW I'm a mod at r/visualnovels and we have recently implemented this system, although it is self-reported rather than proven after pushback from the community
              Visual novels are a great study resource and we welcome Japanese learners who use them with open arms
              [–]premiere-anon 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
              based gambs. what metric do you use to measure people's ability level? to be honest self-reported is probably worse than just [nothing] because when someone claiming to be "high level" says something that doesn't make sense noobies will just figure it doesn't make sense cuz its way above their head.
              ofc then the trusted old guard can step in and correct them if they are online and see it and want to. but then why not just restrict the flair to people that have proven themselves? i'm sure there are many. then as long as N number of proven people can vouch for someone requesting a flair of X level then they get it. that way there is a chain of trust but it's not something "automated" like a reading quiz
              [–]gambs 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
              Basically now it's divided into ranks based which VNs you can read in Japanese, and how much help you need to read them. These ranks are distinct enough that someone couldn't put themself at a wildly higher flair than they should be at without obviously lying, and this would probably come out at some point if they started talking about Japanese or untranslated VNs.
              Funny enough I tried implementing this specifically because some guy on the subreddit blatantly lied about their Japanese level and originally wanted proof (JLPT scores) but the entire subreddit was pretty much against that aspect (like actual rioting)
              [–]premiere-anon 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
              Considering flair is completely optional why did they riot about it needing proof? Or was this mainly just a protest of the JLPT test itself as a bad measure of Japanese ability (in which case some system like I described above might be a better alternative)
              [–]gambs 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
              So they riot whenever I do anything that has to do with Japanese readers at all, even simply giving them flair
              [–]premiere-anon 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              lmfao. idk man, sometimes the masses are wrong. especially the eop masses on matters related to japanese. if i was you, the top mod, i wouldve seen my original vision through. but i suppose being a leader that actually listens to his userbase is pretty cool too.
              [–]reiwaaa 32 points33 points34 points  (12 children)
              My issue lies more with people who come into a thread from someone who passed the N1 with full marks in 8.5 months and their first response amounts to "Yeah, but...".
              Those people feel bitter/jealous of OP's accomplishment - they've put years of their life into learning Japanese and OP blew past them in 8.5 months. It's easier to look for caveats/excuses than admit the fault lies in your own lack of effort.
              I feel the same way - makes me question what I've been doing. Really jealous of OP's results and resolve/determination (and talent). I guess some people might find this inspirational but for me it's more demotivating - kind of like looking in the mirror and seeing what you could've become if you tried harder.
              [–]ConstantinopleFett 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
              I'm in the same Discord server that OP mentions, and we have a spreadsheet with everyone's December N1 results and also how long they have been learning Japanese. There are people on there with close to and over 10 years, and not all of them got great marks. For those of us who have been at this for a while, I think that's an important thing to see too, especially if you feel demotivated by this. Ultimately we're all gonna get there and we're gonna do it at our own paces. Just don't stop.
              [–]reiwaaa 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
              Thanks for that! I'm trying for N1 this year so we'll see how that'll go.
              [–]honkoku 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
              Those people feel bitter/jealous of OP's accomplishment - they've put years of their life into learning Japanese and OP blew past them in 8.5 months. It's easier to look for caveats/excuses than admit the fault lies in your own lack of effort.
              Ridiculous. Most people aren't going to put 6 hours a day into learning Japanese. That doesn't make them bitter or jealous. You're not making "excuses" if you only study for 1 hour a day. It doesn't show a "lack of effort" if you don't study 6 hours a day.
              [–]reiwaaa 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
              Bitter and jealous is referring to people's initial reactions trying to qualify OP's accomplishments to make them seem less impressive than they are (N1 doesn't test output, they didn't have a social life etc.). I say those things because that's how I feel myself. Just goes to show how impressive OP's accomplishment is.
              [–]gucsantana 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
              I guess some people might find this inspirational but for me it's more demotivating - kind of like looking in the mirror and seeing what you could've become if you tried harder.
              This, yeah. I'm in the camp where I've been studying on and off for a decade and I'm N3 on a good day, and it absolutely fucking sucks to see someone doing twice as much in a tenth of the time. And framing it as "oh, it's all about dilligence and dedication!", when it's such a freak occurrence level of dilligence and dedication that it cannot be replicated by 99.9% of the community, just adds to the layers of perceived incompetence.
              [–]Immersion4509 0 points1 point2 points  (6 children)
              Curious. How do would you explain people how out in the same hard work and hours the OP did but could t get there?
              [–]reiwaaa -1 points0 points1 point  (5 children)
              Not trying to be a downer but doesn't that just come down to a lack of natural talent/linguistic ability/photographic memory etc. (relative to OP)?
              OP is definitely talented - if you sit a complete beginner down in front of native material and have them work with it for 6 hours straight 99%+ would quit/burn out right away.
              When you combine talent and pretty insane hard work and consistency (like you have here) then you get these kinds of extreme outlier results.
              [–]Immersion4509 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
              I am talking about people who work just as hard as the Op with the same drive yet still fell short. How do you explain them? Many people on her making it sound like anyone can do what the OP did but there and they don’t make it
              [–]kachigumiriajuu 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
              here's a very seldomly looked at perspective:
              learning a language esp one like japanese, is as much of an emotional experience as a mental one.
              there are many people "trying hard" with a lot of subconscious mindsets that are making it more difficult to comprehend and enjoy the language.
              if "this is so difficult." "there are too many kanji". "it'll take so long before i'm able to enjoy the process" ANY such beliefs subconsciously held can literally create a mental and emotional blockage to your brain internalizing the language as quickly as it possibly could (krashen refers to this as the affective filter hypothesis).
              i've noticed there are people who treat those above example beliefs like they're "just the truth" -- those are the ones who tend to struggle or make slow gains. and then i've noticed people who are just 100% focused on learning more and more and having fun with it, none of those beliefs resonating with them as necessarily true at all -- and those are the type who tend to get really engaged and immersed in the process --> which of course means HIGHER QUALITY gains for the same amount of time spent.
              people severely underestimate the role mindset plays. the brain can drain a TON of energy powering subconscious limiting beliefs towards a given pursuit. the strain and resistance that causes can bring you down to 70%, 50%, even 30% or less of your maximum possible absorption of what you're learning.
              [–]Immersion4509 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
              I am not talking about the people you mention. I am talking to a specific group who check all the boxes, who do all the right things(hard work, determination, mindset) and still fail.
              [–]reiwaaa 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              That's my point - OP is talented and it's a your mileage may vary situation where even if you put in the same effort they did you won't get the same results.
              [–]kyousei8 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
              People gotta cope somehow. And dragging the crab back into the bucket is a tried and true method.
              [–]XManaX 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
              Exactly. I saw someone saying that most people just left this sub after getting to a certain level so this place is just full of beginners and intermediate learners. If you post how well you're doing? People here will see it as a direct attack on them and not as an opportunity to learn how to do better.
              Hell, i got downvoted for basically saying i did the same thing as OP.
              [–]FanxyChildxDean -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
              Tbh 6,5h immersion per day is a good but a spectacular feat. Most people who learned japanese to a high level immersed even more time than this each day over years
              [–]kachigumiriajuu 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
              reading attentively with a dictionary at hand is not the same as "immersion" as you're probably thinking of here. the vast majority of that kind of 10+ hour a day "immersion" is essentially 聞き流し and thus is not remotely as effective.
              [–]Jazzy-99[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
              This is a very key point that I talked about it in my post and the tips I wrote up but maybe I should've emphasised even more. Putting in many hours of 'immersion' where you're letting a piece of audio just play in the background without giving it much attention or reading in a way where you're not actively trying to look things up or really understand as much of what you read as you can (i.e. essentially making it so it's just whitenoise to you), is far less effective than just 2-3 hours of focused immersion. Even when doing mindless tasks such as cooking, cleaning, commuting, etc. you can get in focused listening by trying to concentrate on it as much as you can, and this for me was a really good way of getting hours in efficiently (of course, I understand this is easier said than done especially with the listening but it does get easier over time if you keep trying).
              [–]premiere-anon 53 points54 points55 points  (12 children)
              Congrats! That's very impressive. DJT, AnimeCards, and The Moe Way for life!
              One small thing, your link to Core2.3k is actually the older version of the deck. The latest one can be found at https://anacreondjt.gitlab.io/docs/coredeck/
              [–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
              lfg!
              tfw also put 6+ hours in everyday except for 2+ years and OP beat my score by 70 points
              [–]DJ_Ddawg 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
              I really think it’s the amount of reading + Anki he did in such a short time.
              I’ve been averaging ~5.5 hours/day for 21 months now and I don’t think I could get full points on the N1 (but I could definitely pass based off of practice tests I’ve taken). I have ~3500 total hours split up into 2000 hours listening, 1000 hours reading, and 500 hours Anki (~9300 cards).
              OP did the same amount of reading and Anki cards that I’ve done in 2.5x less the time.
              Even I have something to learn from this post: I need to read more, rep my Anki cards faster (I need to stop reading the mono def + example sentence on the back of my cards every rep), and should probably look into playing some VNs (I mainly read LNs and Novels).
              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
              Nice analysis, I think you are spot on. Good luck!
              [–]eateggseveryday 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              Good luck!
              [–]Jazzy-99[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
              Thanks for pointing that out! I'll edit the link in the main post.
              [–]plsm8 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
              based
              [–]Ryuuzen -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
              That's a very odd way of saying that, are you perhaps the creator of those things?
              [–]premiere-anon 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
              No, they are simply the best resources for learning Japanese on the internet (and served the OP greatly). I believe Shoui created TMW and QuizMaster created Animecards. I'm not sure who maintains the DJT site
              [–]Ryuuzen 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
              My bad then, haha. I also like using AnimeCards. I'll have to thank QuizMaster for that, does he have a patreon?
              [–]hshmrnfn 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
              By the way, he is in fact the creator of the deck.
              [–]matanene- 31 points32 points33 points  (1 child)
              • explains what worked for them and why
              • explains what didn't work and why
              • provides links to materials that helped
              • learning timeline broken down in hours
              • gives me faith that i can get somewhere without forcing myself to watch cure dolly or read tae kim
              i like this post
              [–]Jazzy-99[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
              Thank you, glad to see you found it useful!
              [–]Taifood1 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
              Putting in over 1500 hours in 8.5 months is impressive. When I saw that title I figured this would be the case.
              [–]quistissquall 16 points17 points18 points  (3 children)
              immersion aside, i bet this guy has really good memory retention skills, at leas way above the average learner. 1 year to reach n1 seems insane. that being said the post is motivating and i wonder if i can achieve n3 by the end of the year if i put in the same amount of work (n5 now).
              [–]A_RUSSIAN_TROLL_BOT 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
              Retention can be improved through practice. But I think the real crux of it is that OP is reading multiple whole books and studying 8+ hours a day. In other words, instead of "immersing" they're actually immersing, at least to the extent possible in their circumstance. I can respect the result of that level of effort.
              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
              also concentration ability I'd bet, particularly for listening. I passed n1 and my mind still wanders way too much when I am listening to japanese at times.
              [–]kachigumiriajuu 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
              overall concentration abilities can be worked on. quiet breath focus meditation, or even just going for a walk in nature with no stimulation prior to reading, can make a huge difference.
              [–]AmadouHatesTwitch 9 points10 points11 points  (6 children)
              Do you have an file of you talking? I'd like to know how someone sounds that had this much input in such a short time
              [–]Jazzy-99[S] 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
              Unfortunately I don't have one of me conversing in Japanese. I have been reading out loud quite frequently recently though, as well as recording and listening back to try and improve my pronunciation. So if you just want to hear what I sound like then here's a recent snippet of me reading I guess: https://soundcloud.com/jazz-636120432/overlord-vol-1-start?si=f8aedb1608e14ad4aec590bd15a6f012&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
              [–]AmadouHatesTwitch 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
              You sound waaaaay better than I expected, although you seem to have a small american accent? None-the-less your N1 is still crazy
              [–]Jazzy-99[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
              Really? Never been told that before lol. Thanks
              [–]thened 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
              I have a feeling OP will never post again.
              [–]hold_my_fish 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
              Thanks for the interesting, well-written post.
              Though your hours-per-day stat is somewhat eye-popping (at ~6.5 hours per day average), your progress-per-hour is also very good. Your total time for everything was 1695 hours, which according to this table would be expected to place you somewhere between N3 and N2. Instead you placed as a high N1, which the table says would typically take 3000–4800 hours for students without prior kanji knowledge.
              So there's surely some combination of efficient study method and aptitude coming into play as well. Your study method does sound theoretically very hour-efficient: for immersion, you're mostly reading, which is the highest possible words-per-minute; and for review, you're using SRS, which is the most efficient way as well.
              [–]tesseracts 18 points19 points20 points  (5 children)
              I think it sucks that posts like this attract so many bitter comments. Personally I’m not studying anywhere near 6 hours a day or reading a bunch of light novels or whatever, but if it works for OP that’s great. Like seriously, we all have our own preferences. Constructive criticism is cool but there’s no need to cut down successful people.
              I have just one question though, why couldn’t The Moe Way name their website something less cringey?
              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
              how is it cringey?
              [–]tesseracts -3 points-2 points-1 points  (1 child)
              It's cringey because even though I'm into anime I'm reluctant to click on something that promises to teach me Japanese using cute anime girls with large eyes.
              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
              even though I'm into anime
              This is what allows you to sharpen your sword in life. Never forget it or let jaded weebs and anime hating expats in japan tell you otherwise
              [–]Sentryddd 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
              It's been made by a 15-16 years old girl (or at least someone claiming to be one).
              [–]kachigumiriajuu 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
              because moe is life
              [–]haniflower 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
              Congrats! Since seeing your N1 results on TMW server I've been looking forward to seeing your post on here detailing your journey. This is a huge motivator to me and a confirmation that if I stick to having fun with VNs, it'll pay off.
              [–]ElectronicBag8209 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
              Congratulations, you achieved something truly amazing.
              Could please you share your Anki deck with vocabulary from anime, LN's etc.?
              [–]japanjaganja 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
              50 cards a day wtf how much Adderall you using bruh
              [–]kyousei8 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
              RATTATA (read all the time and take amphetamines) is a popular method used to maximise one's available study time during the day.
              [–]mrtwobonclay 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
              Based
              [–]Kiyono 17 points18 points19 points  (1 child)
              Well deserved, congrats Jazzy! Thanks so much for being helpful over at TMW and sharing your experiences. You've inspired many of us to keep at it.
              :ikneel:
              [–]Jazzy-99[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
              Thanks! And no worries, always happy to help 😄
              [–]Schrute_Facts 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
              Weird amount of shade in the comments... personally I find this really inspiring. I'll be looking into some of the resources you've linked for sure. Really impressive stuff, great work! Thank you for taking the time to share a write-up of your progress and techniques.
              [–]Jazzy-99[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
              Thanks, and I hope you find those resources useful!
              [–]aireika 21 points22 points23 points  (5 children)
              Are you a genius?
              [–]SuminerNaem 31 points32 points33 points  (3 children)
              the most impressive thing about OP is his willingness to put in such an insane amount of raw time every day 180 days in a row. that takes a lot of determination and discipline! that being said, i think most people would make massive gains if they studied as much and as consistently as OP with content they sincerely enjoy studying. the brain is actually really really good at learning and maintaining absurd amounts of information if it's maintained so thoroughly and consciously every day!
              will everyone make exactly this much progress? maybe not, as it sounds like OP also generally has a good understanding of the learning process and an interest in languages, but you would absolutely surprise yourself. dedication and consistency are the hardest parts of language learning imo
              [–]mowgah 35 points36 points37 points  (2 children)
              Usually, people like the OP genuinely enjoy the process. It's not that they have to be super disciplined and keep forcing themselves to grind every day like a harsh taskmaster. They actually enjoy what they are doing and want to do it. He even said that he couldn't do any textbooks or watch grammar videos because he got bored so he stopped. He wanted to keep reading to know what happens next in the story because he was enjoying it. The fact that they are enjoying it makes them learn faster too.
              [–]behold_the_castrato 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
              This is the true secret behind the method of simply consuming native content.
              There are some people that find this method truly enjoyable and in that case it is probably the best method by far, but for the majority that finds it a chore to look up every single word in a sentence for a while, I do not think it is that effective. — Yet, as I say this I am reminded of someone who found spaced repetition very enjoyable and also reached N1 very quickly by very aggressively using spaced repetition before even starting to read.
              It isn't only about hours, but also about how much faster one reads something one finds enjoyable. I found 皆様の玩具です and なめて、かじって、ときどき愛でて to be so enjoyable that I read about 8 volumes per day. which I normally cannot do with mosf fiction. — One truly reads more quickly in the same time if one find the story exceptional.
              Indeed, re-reading either is actually much slower, since I'm less interested as I already know what will happen.
              [–]SuminerNaem 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
              Of course! If you're not enjoying the process, you won't learn nearly as well, and you'll be much less likely to commit long term. Still, even for things people enjoy, it's pretty hard to single-mindedly commit to said thing so consistently. Lots of people probably could not happily put this much time into even their favorite hobbies.
              [–]Sentryddd 27 points28 points29 points  (4 children)
              Made an account just to comment to this post and Jazzy, you’re truly a madman. Your commitment is insanely motivating and made me want to try much harder after slacking off for a while. But holy shit, the comments here are pathetic.
              People seriously trying to defame you and call you a liar, coping and seething due to their own inability to put effort into something they supposedly want to do. I'm disgusted. These people do not want to learn Japanese, they want to tell about themselves that they are learning Japanese, so they can feel like they're part of a community while doing no effort in order to actually reach a high level. And when they see someone actually make it, they recoil and break down crying and spewing inane shit just to justify their own pitifulness, spending more time finding excuses than studying Japanese.
              An advice for beginners: don't take these bitter, toxic people seriously. They want to pull you down to their own level, they want you to never make it and wallow in low-intermediate despair for all your life. But it's not true. You can make it. You can learn Japanese. And it does not take decades to get good.
              [–]calebsaellis 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
              exactly, lots of passive aggressive people here too. I just started learning Russian a few months ago so to see such a detailed post like this is very motivating. His ratio of reading to listening was very interesting too and has inspired me to spend more time with novels. Great post but it unfortunately exposes lots of the bitter and salty people in the sub.
              [–]kyousei8 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
              These people do not want to learn Japanese, they want to tell about themselves that they are learning Japanese, so they can feel like they're part of a community while doing no effort in order to actually reach a high level.
              Language larping, the finest of past-times at bastions of skill such as /r/languagelearning. But yeah, the crabs in a bucket mentality here is really disappointing.
              [–]blessedrng 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
              My (wo)man, 100% with you
              [–]DearCress9 17 points18 points19 points  (0 children)
              Summary-
              Go all in.
              This person devoted themself and got the job done.
              I salute your all in.
              [–]Simcn 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
              Damn, I’m impressed by the effort you’ve obviously put into this! I’ve studied japanese for just above half a year now, sheeesh! I managed doing your pace for maybe about a week, quickly got burnt out and ended up not doing anything for a month lol, so now I’m taking it slow, just a little bit every day :)
              [–]Jazzy-99[S] 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
              Thank you! The best amount is the amount you can consistently keep up everyday 👍
              [–]lewiitom 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
              Where did you take the JLPT? Wasn't it cancelled in the UK last year?
              [–]plsm8 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
              he went to his home country to take it.
              [–]heytchap_ 24 points25 points26 points  (3 children)
              Reading is cool. Can you produce japanese? Can you speak, write, etc?
              [–]UbiquitousPanda 19 points20 points21 points  (2 children)
              I'm sure he could do some. At N1 level equivalent? Absolutely not. If it takes Japanaese people about 10 or so years on average to read, speak, write and listen to materials at N1 level (approx age 4~14) I doubt he could do all that in 8.5 months.
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                [–]UbiquitousPanda 32 points33 points34 points  (4 children)
                Sure you didn't spend that 8.5 months writing this post?
                [–]Jazzy-99[S] 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
                Haha it certainly did take a few hours and it did turn out somewhat too long, but I figured this sort of detailed breakdown would be most useful for people - as most questions for me will likely be answered in there somewhere and people can take from it what they want (also I'd gotten quite a few requests for this sort of post).
                [–]Rayovaclife 22 points23 points24 points  (2 children)
                I don't get this sub. Seems like some of you are quite cynical. How can someone explain in detail their pathway to learning Japanese and somehow recieve criticism for it?? Are you jealous?
                [–]sonicfox1018 5 points6 points7 points  (9 children)
                I'm not doubting the OP. However, I wish he/she mentioned how kanji was learned. By the post, one can only assume kanji was memorized along with the vocabulary.
                [–]Jazzy-99[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
                I didn't do any isolated kanji study (e.g. via methods such as RTK), I learnt kanji through vocab
                [–]sonicfox1018 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                Thank you for your reply!
                [–]tesseracts 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
                I'm reading The Moe Way website and I was wondering the same thing. Websites like this say you should avoid learning the meanings and readings of kanji and should just "learn words" and somehow remember kanji that way. That never made any sense to me.
                [–]BlackBlueBlueBlack 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
                Well if you see words like 上る, 上げる, and 上がる, eventually you'll figure out what the kanji 上 means. Likewise, in English you have the words aerospace, aerodynamics, and aeronautics, and if you observe the context in which they're used, you can make an educated guess as to what the aero- prefix means.
                [–]tesseracts 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                That makes sense, but when I was a kid my parents told me the meaning of prefixes like aero and I was better able to guess the meaning of new words that way, so I'm not sure why some Japanese learners try so hard to avoid that.
                [–]No_Elderberry3813 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                Because its extra work that you dont technically need to do. It's simply boring for some people to "prep" for their studies (which are kind of another form of "prep" for using the language in the end) in a sense by learning things like the meanings to indiviual kanji which don't have a lot of pracitcal use/instant gratification and would much rather dive in head first and figure things out in a more "hands on" or "practical" way.
                [–]kyousei8 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                If you're able to basically have a pop-up dictionary always available like people who read VN, LN and regular novels on PC are, there's not really any sense in frontloading your "guess new words" ability when yomichan makes that skill obsolete. You just use yomichan and feel out what the general meaning(s) of a given kanji are as you learn words.
                I don't need to have explicitly learned 機 as a kanji to have realised it means some sort of mechanical / electrical machine / apparatus and is pronounced as き. I just learned it for free from seeing it in words like 飛行機・洗濯機・扇風機・信号機・計算機.
                [–]benbeginagain 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                I don't know about any of these specific methods, but this is how I'm learning kanji. I just make sentence cards with the focus being a single word in that sentence. Let's say 成果. I just learn that word (Look at it, first with Yomichan dictionary of course, and go ok that's what seika looks like). Later on I'll come across multiple other words with 果 in it (結果、果たす)and I just learn those words as well. It all starts to fill itself in, even if you don't know all the readings of a certain kanji when you first encounter it. Or even list all the readings of a certain kanji even if you could actually read every word with said kanji in it.
                In a native setting, kanji is just about reading the words they're a part of, not listing all their radicals/readings/origin etc. This is what I tell myself anyways to justify my indirect approach at learning. It seems to be working though.. for me at least.
                [–]super_shooker 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                Reading this took me 8.5 months
                just kidding
                [–]premiere-anon 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
                Why did you link to an error level analysis? The screenshot is a lossless PNG. You can't use ELA to analyze a PNG, only JPEGs. It's crazy how people that don't understand how to learn Japanese will reach for tools like ELA (that they also don't understand) to try and "debunk" Jazzy's methods.
                ELA measures the amount of change during a JPEG resave. When a digital photo is edited, the modified portions will have a different error level potential compared to the rest of the picture. Splices, drawing, and significant edits are usually visible as a significantly different error level potential. There is a difference between real and authentic. A real photo of a forged document or a staged situation will not appear unusual under ELA. This is because the picture is real, even if the subject of the photo is not authentic. ELA does not identify the authenticity or other attributes related to the picture's subject. ELA also does not detect all forms of digital manipulation; it only identifies differences in the JPEG compression rate. Digital modifications that do not significantly alter the error level potential, such as a minor color adjustment over the entire picture, may not be detected by ELA.
                [–]brokenalready 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                I know Japanese so I must have done something right
                [–]TJapan 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                Fantastic effort!
                Just to address those who might get discouraged seeing this: IT IS NOT A RACE! Some people have more time than others, some people have a knack for certain skills, some people lie. Do not get discouraged and just keep studying.
                [–]Veelze 7 points8 points9 points  (4 children)
                I think people in this subreddit need to just come to terms that for some learners, everything just lines up for them. Inherent ability to memorize, motivation, enjoyment of an activity, stamina, time, etc, which happened for Jazzy.
                What Jazzy is synonymous to a 14-15 year old gamer who started playing League of Legends 6 hours a day, self critical and goal driven enough to make constant improvements every game, and got to challenger in less than a year (we see young pro players all the time).
                Then there are people like like me who play thousands of games of Dota 2 and am chilling at the third rank from the bottom.
                There really isn't much of a lesson to be learned by this post. Better to not let things like this discourage you, otherwise 10 years from now you're going to regret quitting.
                [–]kachigumiriajuu 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
                how can you not learn a lesson from this? lol. here are some:
                1. reading native japanese media that appeals to you with a dictionary as needed is an extremely efficient way to acquire a high level of japanese comprehension ability
                2. the more hours you put in to doing that particular activity each day, the faster you will improve
                3. anki is very efficient for setting a foundation of common beginner vocab
                4. saving and reviewing new words encountered during reading with anki (or other SRS), can improve your memory of thousands more words and sentences past that
                [–]Veelze 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Yes yes I misspoke. I was only trying to tell people who were discouraged because of how successful this person was to keep pressing on.
                Poor choice of words on my part.
                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                There really isn't much of a lesson to be learned by this post.
                I think you'd have to try really really hard to read that whole post and not learn something from it and reflect on your own learning habits. Unless you have Japanese learning already figured out of course
                [–]Chronopolize[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                I agree Jazzy's case is exceptional. For most people 1500h of immersion, 2-3 years is a reasonable timeline to get N1 average score.
                Competitive games are a bit different than japanese in that you have to deliberately study situations and practice different skills, where as japanese in some ways is easier as as long as you have a half-decent method, avoid inefficient pitfalls and mental barriers, anyone can reach reasonable comprehension proficiency.
                [–]MainLoop84 5 points6 points7 points  (5 children)
                I hate to sound salty, because it genuinely sounds like the OP intended for this post to be inspirational, but posts like the OP can be incredibly demotivating, and read more like humble bragging than inspiring. It’s also a bit telling that OP hasn’t replied to any of the comments calling them out …
                [–]BlackBlueBlueBlack 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
                It’s also a bit telling that OP hasn’t replied to any of the comments calling them out …
                [–]MainLoop84 -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
                This whole post is a good case study in knowing the value of being able to "read the room". It's sort of like if I went into /r/disability and started to describe my amazing journey on climbing Mt Everest, detailing the strict training regimen I go through, despite being perfectly fit and healthy.
                [–]le-dekinawaface 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                I completely agree. /r/LearnJapanese is much better when the only progress posts are of how a person spent four years going through Wanikani, Genki and Tobira and are still afraid of reading Japanese books aimed at toddlers.
                It's extremely uncomfortable having posts from those who are members of communities filled with people who have normal social lives and make rapid progress such as TheMoeWay and DJT, coming to this subreddit and belittling the effort put in by the rest of us here, who spend all our time reading textbooks.
                [–]eateggseveryday 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                Some people are just born special, there's no point us normal people trying to go against them.
                [–]Tiredofliving777 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                he lied??!
                [–]svenz 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
                TIL that 7/hours a day for nearly a year is a "hobby". Holy cow man. Still, amazing accomplishment and well done. Your post is inspiring!
                [–]Jazzy-99[S] 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                Yeah haha it's probably not very normal I guess, but I tend to put a lot of time into the things I'm passionate about. Thanks!
                [–]eateggseveryday 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                It's certainly a lifestyle. But people put that much time in social media and made social media as their lifestyle/hobby and only bring in mental illness.
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                  [–]pudding321 21 points22 points23 points  (1 child)
                  I only see these sort of posts here though. Can you link me to the Genki one?
                  [–]GOEV_ 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                  Well done you've done a fantastic job here and put in an phenomenal amount of work in a short time to get there. Though I think a lot of people need to be reminded that the important thing to look at is not the months it took but the hours of input you've mentioned. Immersion really is key as I've slowly discovered over time.
                  [–]mowgah 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                  Even though I have learned Japanese much slower than the OP despite putting in a lot of effort, I still found this post interesting and encouraging. It's interesting to know how the people who learned the fastest studied and it's encouraging to me that focused reading can be so powerful when you're doing it a lot and you're really enjoying it. It makes me feel more motivated to keep reading. I didn't start studying Japanese because I enjoy Japanese content and I actually find it hard to get really into anything even in English, let alone in Japanese, but if I could find some Japanese content I enjoyed enough to want to immerse in it all day, that would be wonderful.
                  It's depressing that so many people have downvoted this post and most of the comments are just people getting defensive and trying to make themselves feel better. It's sad that people can't just feel happy for someone else without having to make it about themselves. You can decide how to think and feel about things. You don't need to get defensive or feel bad. You can just glean whatever insights you can from OPs experience and feel good for the OP.
                  When I was a kid, I learned that if I got good scores on tests or did better than others and other people found out, it just made them subconsciously dislike me. They wouldn't be happy for me, because it made them feel bad if their results were worse. So I would just never tell anyone whenever I accomplished anything. This type of dynamic is so common, like when a group of overweight people are friends and then one of them starts succeeding at losing weight and then the other friends distance themselves from them and secretly complain about them because their friend's success makes them feel bad. I think that type of attitude is so sad. If you catch yourself behaving like that I think you should seriously reflect on it.
                  [–]kachigumiriajuu 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                  very much agreed.
                  [–]ironmantis3 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
                  Don't underestimate the motivation one can derive from cabin fever and boredom.
                  [–]Jazzy-99[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  Very true haha
                  [–]Archaeical 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                  the GOAT jazzy
                  [–]naridimh 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                  This is an amazing accomplishment! Congratulations!
                  [–]Jazzy-99[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Thanks!
                  [–]willscade 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                  I am somewhat just starting out learning Japanese but I am wondering how you managed to become good enough at reading Kanji to actually understand anything at all. Did you just memorize them while using the 2k Core deck or was there any other method you used? Also, I just looked up the Visual novel that you are saying is great for beginners but to my surprise it costs about Euros.. Is there any free material you used for reading or did you just double down because you were interested in reading and commited to make it work?
                  I am currently watching Haikyuu for Immersion without Subtitles and know probably about one word per sentence but since the story seems rather straight forward I think I understand the gist. Not sure how useful just watching is but maybe I have not done it long enough to reap too many results yet. For looking up pretty much every word I am watching Karakai yozu no Takagi-san which seems easy to understand (from what I have heard about it)
                  Kinda started to ramble actually just wanted to ask for some free alternatives if someone aint ready to just buy a VN for that much.
                  [–]Jazzy-99[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  Yes i just got my initial base of vocab from the 2k deck and reinforced it by immersing at the same time, I didn't do any isolated kanji study. In terms of resources, TheMoeWay resources page has some I believe or you can ask on the server.
                  [–]arbitraryinsanity 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  VNs are all free dude. You just torrent them.
                  [–]Interstelle 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                  I'm pretty late to this post, but could you share what resources you found helpful for kanji? I'm fairly new to Japanese (I began in the past, but didn't have time, and only spent a few days, but have picked it up again recently), and spend roughly the same amount of time daily as you do, but feel like I'm running into a brick wall with kanji. I'm still progressing, but not as fast as I would like, so I would gladly accept any resources you have that helped :).
                  [–]jsph273_ 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
                  :ikneel:
                  [–]Twinkul 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                  Jsph you are at ~n1 level in 7 months why are you kneeling
                  [–]thehershel 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
                  Cool! It's a really impressive achievement! I just wonder, why there are two mouse cursors on the screenshot of the result? :P https://imgur.com/a/Cvk6MTz
                  [–]Jazzy-99[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                  Thanks, not sure what the cursors have to do with anything but it's like premiere-anon said, I edited out the registration and then took another screenshot with sharex. Here though, I took another one without the mouse: https://i.imgur.com/kzKt2Eg.png
                  [–]premiere-anon 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                  that could easily happen if you take a screenshot with sharex (one mouse) put in photoshop to edit it the pic (which they did to remove the registration) then take another screenshot of the edit with sharex again (second mouse) because it's quicker to do that than save through photoshop. i do that all the time actually cuz it's a lot quicker
                  [–]bubushkinator 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
                  Nice job! You worked hard and it paid off!! Thanks for writing about your journey!
                  [–]Jazzy-99[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                  No worries, hope you found it useful
                  [–]kyousei8 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
                  Very impressed to see how you've progressed this far. Always good to see the other side of Japanese study and see what someone motivated can do. Especially as well documented as this so that people can learn from the methods used.
                  :ikneel:
                  [–]Jazzy-99[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                  Thanks! Definitely still got a ways to go though
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                    [–]hold_my_fish 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                    You're double-counting the immersion time, since 1547 = 1062 + 485 is the sum of listening and reading.
                    [–]transposter 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                    ... Do you talk this way about any technical jargon? Because what they said is pretty basic linguistics terms
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                        [–]Sentryddd 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
                        Maybe if you learned to use the internet, you wouldn't have to be so afraid of it. It literally takes only a few clicks to verify everything OP's said but instead of doing that you're trying to defame him. Yeah I think my name-calling still stands. Your behaviour is extremely toxic and no one should take you seriously. Calling yourself "sensei" while coping this hard after seeing someone learning Japanese in the most efficient way possible is more than pathetic.
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                          [–]Twinkul 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                          Just read more and stop coping.
                          [–]kachigumiriajuu 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                          having access to the resources he did (text-hookable visual novels, mouse-over dictionary with one-click automatic card creation, anki itself) is also a relatively very new thing, and those resources are absolutely gamechanging and have never been seen before in history. using them all together, and as consistently as he did, was maxing out the potential of really effective tools that people severely underestimate (especially those who seem very attached to physical books/textbooks/worksheets/etc)
                          [–]UbiquitousPanda 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
                          I'm speaking from experience. I'm bilingual English and Japanese (Japanese citizen, lived mostly abroad) and knowing how dense Japanese is, I just don't think it's possible. Maybe 2 years is possible with this guy's pace but doing it under a year what takes Japanese kids about 10 years? No chance.
                          [–]heytchap_ 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                          Dude said he spent 1547 hours studying. Total.
                          [–]chappybbx -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                          In response to last question: sounds like op got to read a lot of stuff he really enjoys, and now can read pretty much anything else he wants without much difficulty.
                          [–]Status_Pollution3776 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
                          Damn. He nailed N1 and got a full mark. Yes! Incredible!
                          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                          😁👍
                          [–]reditanian 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                          It’s going to take me 8.5 months just to read this tome of a post!
                          [–]Meister1888 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
                          That was motivating!
                          Congratulations on your Japanese studying. Why not try some language exchanges with Japanese people to get your output skills up?
                          When you have the opportunity to drop by Japan I think you will have a great visit.
                          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                          That's great to hear! I've been focusing on output more recently, luckily my uni's got a Japanese society so I've made a few Japanese friends that I've been hanging out with which has made a noticeable difference - would love to visit Japan once restrictions loosen up and have more opportunities to speak it!
                          [–]Subbotik 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
                          Reading this post made me regret spending all my free time during the lockdown on video games instead of learning something. Still, congrats on your incredible achievement.
                          [–]eateggseveryday 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                          Hey, OP increase their skill in Japanese at least you increase your skill in your game. Or do you always lose?
                          [–]Subbotik 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                          No, I play them in English. I just started learning Japanese 4 months ago.
                          [–]Subarashii2800 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
                          What does “immerse” mean here? What is the actual activity when in immersion? I ask because other activities like reading and listening are broken off separately…
                          [–]kyousei8 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
                          It's the umbrella term that reading and listening fall under. Reading and listening are two different sub categories of immersion.
                          [–]Subarashii2800 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                          I see, thanks!
                          [–]ExcrementFlinger 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                          JLPT N1 speed run lmao.
                          [–]merelyachineseman 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
                          OP, can you understand people speaking Japanese? And can you speak Japanese?
                          Or did you just git gud at reading
                          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                          My speaking's not as good as my reading and listening abilities yet of course but I am working on that nowadays. I can hold basic conversations on a range of different topics but will start stumbling when it gets to a deeper/more technical topic and I can't get across the same level of articulation/nuance as with English of course.
                          [–]kachigumiriajuu 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                          visual novels have audio and so does anime so 9/10 he has quite advanced listening skills too after so many hours of both.
                          [–]BrutalFeather 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
                          Congratulations brother.
                          I was also in the same boat as you and completed N2 material in 4 months studying 8 hours a day that too during the lockdown. I couldnt go on with N1 and JLPT exams because my online classes started. Good to see that it is indeed possible to finish N1 in 8.5 months.
                          Most people say that language learning should be done at a moderate pace but some of us dont have the liberty of such free time.
                          Posts like these are definitely an inspiration.
                          Just one question: Where are you getting the LN and Mangas? The one's I get are all in scan forms i.e. image so I have to use an image to text converter for mining.
                          [–]miun69 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                          If you buy it legally instead of pirating it then you will get a high quality LN and manga.
                          [–]eateggseveryday 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                          Wow that's great too. Congrats!
                          [–]Xelieu 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
                          congrats on your perfect score bro!
                          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                          Thanks man! And thanks for all your help
                          [–]El_Jeff_ey 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                          Good job
                          [–]tomatoina 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                          Congratulations. I'm using almost all of the same recourses. My key take away is that I should read a lot more and maybe join that Moe discord server. Tadoku looks nice too. I get motivated in a competitive environment so that'll definitely help
                          [–]VisualNovelInfoHata 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                          What a journey, damn.
                          [–]AvratzzzSRJS3CCZL2 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                          Finally THE Jazzy reddit post
                          Congratz again !
                          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                          Thanks Avratzzz!
                          [–]Aikotoba-Wa-Tarira 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
                          Truly one of the craziest things I’ve ever read, and incredibly inspiring. Thanks for sharing your story in-detail and for providing so many tips/resources.
                          Best of luck in all your future language goals!
                          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                          Thanks, I'm glad it helped and good luck with your goals too!
                          [–]Some_Guy_87 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                          Absolutely insane. I'm in awe of your achievement and really thankful for the lengthy report of your journey.
                          Did you have any specific strategy to remember so many new words in Anki in such a short amount of time? I'm learning 10 new words per day and need about 40 minutes for that session to end, I'm perplexed how you managed to keep up 50 in less time.
                          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                          I usually only look at the example sentence/context at the back if I get the card wrong and it doesn't click straight away when I look at the definition. Other than that, as you get used to Anki over time you'll get faster at it (plus reading more really helps in my opinion, since you're more likely to see words from your deck).
                          [–]defmute 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                          This is a fantastic post. Whilst I cannot dedicate 6+ hours a day to learning Japanese, I can definitely dedicate half of that. I am going to take in some of your methods and keep plugging away.
                          However I will ask - How is your speaking?
                          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                          Thanks, that sounds great and good luck! Here's a response to another comment regarding my speaking ability: https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/sedr0m/comment/huxs4x3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
                          [–]Expert_Image5845 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                          woahhh your achievement really inspires me to proceed to n3 from n1! congratss!!!
                          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                          That's great to hear, good luck!
                          [–]jeremythecool 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
                          What I got from this is that Reading is actually the best way. You can actually feel the progress from days to days, months to months.
                          Man, if only OP started speaking at the same time, wouldnt it be 3 birds 1 stone?
                          [–]Simcn 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
                          They already spent 6.5 hours a day studying, which is already insane, speaking on top of that?
                          [–]jeremythecool 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                          Even an half an hour would definitely be a big help. Regarding the tight schedule, taking 30 mins out of the Reading time quota would be optimal.
                          [–]71619997a 3 points4 points5 points  (10 children)
                          Just wondering -- How is your listening ability? Can you estimate in terms of something you've listened to and how able you were to understand it?
                          [–]Hanzai_Podcast 2 points3 points4 points  (7 children)
                          The test has a listening comprehension section.
                          [–]71619997a 0 points1 point2 points  (6 children)
                          I know, but the listening section is pretty easy compared to a lot of native materials. I was asking in terms of anime, podcasts, etc and how good his understanding was.
                          [–]Hanzai_Podcast 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
                          If you personally find the N1 listening section easy then you should already have a good idea how that relates to daily usage.
                          [–]71619997a -3 points-2 points-1 points  (4 children)
                          Not really. Especially because aceing it is not /that/ impressive compared to aceing the rest of the test IMO. Putting an imaginary scale to it, I know OP's listening ability is at least a 7/10 but I don't know if it's a 7, 8, 9, or 10/10.
                          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                          With most of the audiobooks and podcasts I listen to I'm able to understand them all fine (as well as most other audio sources I use) but sometimes when I listen to a large group of people talking over each other and slurring speech a lot I'll end up missing stuff here and there. Also, when listening to something about quite a technical topic which has a lot of vocab I haven't listened to much (even if I can read and understand them), I'll have to exert myself to keep up and will likely miss a word here and there. So still a ways to go for sure!
                          [–]71619997a 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                          Hmmm, interesting! I've done more audio immersion than you have but I still can't understand as well as you -- probably need to do more reading :D
                          [–]ZeonPeonTree 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                          We need a part two and an essay on how to not whitenoise
                          [–]OkLetterhead1554 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
                          Why are some people discouraging themselves because of the op achievement?, studying 6hrs a day is alot but anyone can do it. When i first started learning Portuguese i would spend more than 6 hrs “studying” which includes reading, watching tv, listening to music , playing games in my target language etc. Once u imerge yourself more completely & stop really relying heavily on ur native language - your skills will sky rocket .
                          [–]Prudent-Protection46 22 points23 points24 points  (0 children)
                          It isn't "anyone can do it". OP is extraordinary and it isn't the standard for most people. Most people would face burn outs and completely give up on the language trying to accomplish this sort of feat. Personally I think it's better to take it slow and I feel like my pace is already fast enough as it is lol. It really depends on the person though, their willingness and capabilities.
                          [–]Necessary_Pool 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                          These are the results you get with voiced VNs you can texthook
                          [–]freezingsama 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                          Damn that's an achievement.
                          I hope I get to a good level someday, but I don't think I'll ever be able to do it without a good level of preparation first.
                          [–]Movemint_PieFrost 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                          Damn! That's really so fkin amazing to hear, 180/180 in N1 only in ~8.5 months. I'm a really new learner here (only learning kana atm) and I hope I can reach my goal just like you. Congratulations btw!
                          [–]Jazzy-99[S] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                          Thank you and good luck!
                          [–]Get_the_instructions 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                          So glad you managed to complete this little side task during your covid lull. And you also had time to write a book about it (see above)! Not bad. By the way, I hate you (jk).
                          But seriously - Congratulations. Seems like you are some kind of genius, so I hope you put in as much effort into your physics degree (and no doubt your eventual PhD). The world can use more clever people.
                          [–]thened 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
                          Someone with no post history claiming to get perfect N1 in less than a year.
                          Let's just let this simmer for a bit and wonder why someone would work so hard to accomplish such a feat, but only inform Reddit after it happened.
                          [–]Simcn 21 points22 points23 points  (4 children)
                          Probably because they were too busy studying to waste time on Reddit before
                          [–]thened -4 points-3 points-2 points  (3 children)
                          Seems like a dumb habit to pick up. Let's see if they ever post again.
                          [–]kachigumiriajuu 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
                          you sound salty.
                          [–]thened -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
                          塩辛フライドチキン食べたからかな?
                          [–]DJKuuhaku 2 points3 points4 points  (10 children)
                          Reading these comments genuinely fills me with anger, it reminds me how soft we are as a society and how we need to grow as people. Regardless of what your situation is crying about it wont change anything. Recognize you are a failure, learn from it, pick yourself back up / modify your strategy and keep moving foward. Mind you these same people posting coping comments probably have similar issues of coping that seeps into their personal life but that is an entirely different rant geared towards self improvement......
                          If you are learning for fun, keep doing what you are doing.
                          If you are serious about your skills, listen to the advice of those better than you.
                          [–]aireika 13 points14 points15 points  (4 children)
                          I find it confusing how people don't find this motivating? The reason I have trouble keeping up with my japanese studies is because so many people say it'll take so and so many years to get to a certain level which in turn seems daunting and makes me think I'm making no progress whenever I'm learning new things. It's motivating to see that discipline and effort can get you somewhere quite fast. 8 months wouldn't be feasible for me because I don't have 6/7 hours of spare time but it means if I study 3 hours a day I could get there in 1.5-2 years which in turn makes me want to study harder. I personally love these kind of success stories as a motivator. People say OP has a big ego but I feel like if you take someone else's success personally then you're the one with an ego problem.
                          [–]DJKuuhaku 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
                          Exactly, consistent focused effort will bring forth results. In a similar situation cuz of work but I wont let that hold me back from my goals. Pretty sure this is a worldwide societal thing not just a r/LearnJapanese type of issue, need to learn how to critically analyze your actions/surroundings and realize that there are always bigger fish in the sea, then learn from them. Reading these type of posts make me want to continue to change my life for the better
                          [–]Immersion4509 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                          I personally found it demotivating having put in similar hours and having barely passed n3
                          [–]kachigumiriajuu 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
                          were you spending all those hours reading visual novels/reading other appealing japanese media attentively with a dictionary?
                          [–]Immersion4509 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                          Yes, I was actually. I never go anywhere without Tony dictionary
                          [–]eyestorm13 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
                          I'm genuinely curious, why the sudden surge of the word "cope"? I saw it used at least a dozen times in this thread.
                          [–]tesseracts 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
                          It’s slang that I have found is associated with 4chan culture. This post is a huge draw for those people.
                          [–]eyestorm13 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                          I see, that confirms my suspicion
                          [–]kyousei8 -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                          Because of the massive amount of coping happening. Normally it's just a little, so it's not worth mentioning.
                          [–]DJKuuhaku -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                          It just perfectly encapsulates what is happening here.
                          [–]iHateKnives 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                          Thanks for making this post. I'm still reading it bit by bit but I'm sure it took a lot of energy and dedication to pull that amazing result. So, congrats OP! I'm so lost in my study right now so guides like this by successful learners are extremely helpful
                          [–]cluesagi 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
                          ながっ
                          [–]yon44yon -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                          それな
                          [–]CocktailMeeks 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                          Congratulations! Your hard work definitely paid off.
                          [–]gx4509 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                          I literally did the same thing I am still struggling with N2 grammar and I am almost 2 and half years. You’ve got talent, bro. Congrats
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                                [–]plsm8 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                                amazing progress :ikneel:
                                [–]blessedrng 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                                cope. comments full of copium lol. gg, you have the work ethic people wish they had, people wish they wanted it like you want it, but as the comments make evident they can't seem to admit they just lack the drive on their end haha. I get how disspiriting it can be for a lot of people who have been on Japanese for years but haven't managed close to this, but can't help but blame them. learn about optimal learning methods, stop with the bs textbook learning, taking classes in school, or learning grammar (I mean lol, if someone is doing grammar drills in their language learning, that's proof they aren't caught up with effective language learning methods). work harder, but with language, mostly smarter.
                                very impressive, respect for your methods, time efficiency, and natural abilities.
                                [–]momoru 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                                Damn wtf I've been studying for 1.5 years and barely feel ready for N5, congratulations
                                [–]kachigumiriajuu 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                                6 hours a day?
                                [–]ACrawford69 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
                                How do you do 50 new cards a day and only spend 45 minutes total on anki? You give the tip to read all the way through a card, but if you read all the way through your cards and listen to them, 45 minutes to finish all reviews and get through 50 new cards is extremely unrealistic.
                                [–]Jazzy-99[S] 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
                                I only read through the example sentence at the back/look at the context if I get the word wrong and it doesn't click straight away after looking at the definition. At what point did I say to read all the way through a card?
                                [–]ACrawford69 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                                “2.i) When reading try to understand as much of what you read as possible - this means taking your time and not rushing: basic process for approaching a sentence is look up all the words you don't know “
                                Assuming this is in the context of Anki you obviously won’t go look up words in Yomichan but if you use sentence cards at the very beginning, you won’t know a lot of it for a while. Like I said reading all the way through a sentence on all reviews + new cards (especially depending on your steps you could see a new card 3 or even 4 times) takes longer than what you claim. Or maybe your reading speed has been cracked from the beginning.
                                [–]premiere-anon 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                anki isn't reading
                                no one in their right mind puts a sentence on the front of an anki card
                                [–]kachigumiriajuu 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                maybe they only do that for cards that are new. and for the ones they've reviewed before they just check the word.
                                [–]poliver1988 -2 points-1 points0 points  (10 children)
                                There hasn't been a single JLPT test in UK since December 2019 cause of Covid.
                                First one to resume is scheduled for this July (though it will probably get cancelled again).
                                The way you describe your learning journey is akin to the way hardcore Japanese learning 'theorists' imagine the perfect method to be that they wish they had adhered to but never did, not something a beginner learner would come up with and perfect without months of trial and error.
                                Sorry, but this sounds like a covert web/discord channel sales pitch and nothing more.
                                Prove me wrong.
                                [–]kyousei8 14 points15 points16 points  (8 children)
                                You can literally join the Moe Way server with a burner account and look up OP's post history starting in June 2021 collaborating what he said. And his method is what you'll find guides like those on the Moe Way, animecards.site, and DJT all advocating. OP didn't have to reinvent the wheel thinking of all this. Just dump in a shitton of time following other people's advice.
                                Edit: Some people will do anything to cope. Screenshot and direct link of OP saying he'll take it in another non-UK country back in August.
                                [–]poliver1988 comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (7 children)
                                Proves nothing. If those posts are true than OP is lying about how long he's been studying/he's background. Might have as well been studying for 10+ years. He said that first method he stumbled upon when searching internet was AJATT!!!... That thing is like ungoogleable/nonexistant in the year 2021.
                                [–]poliver1988 comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (5 children)
                                My point exactly. It's old, irrelevant and at this point least likely the first thing someone would stumble upon, thus alluding to op being a "seasoned" learner from AJATT hayday.
                                [–]plsm8 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                                he didnt say he took it in the UK. he took it in his home country.
                                [–]Marks_Media -3 points-2 points-1 points  (26 children)
                                I might sound bitter or whatever I don't care. That honestly sounds miserable. I'd rather have friends, hobbies, and a life.
                                EDIT: that sounds miserable to me, I could never dedicate my life to just study. I'm satisfied with my level of Japanese. Any ways congrats.
                                [–]UnwilledTangent 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
                                I don't get why you are downvoted. Clearly, OP dedicated a lot of hours into his university's commitments alongside with intensive immersion. What he didn't specified is how much he sacrificed in other areas of his life. What about socialising? Exercising? Spending time with family?
                                If he genuinely enjoyed it, and found fulfillment in it, that's awesome. Personally, I wouldn't enjoy it if I dedicated a huge chunk of my time to learning Japanese. But I won't compare. Let's run our own races.
                                [–]Ace_FGC 30 points31 points32 points  (2 children)
                                Yeah you do sound bitter
                                [–]Marks_Media 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
                                Sure, I'm not, but I bet I sound like it. Just sounds like I wouldn't enjoy it because of how much of other things I'd miss.
                                Anywho, congrats to OP.
                                [–]DJ_Ddawg -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
                                /cope.
                                [–]Different_Piccolo566 17 points18 points19 points  (1 child)
                                by consistently immersing in native content that interested me.
                                Sounds like OP had fun though. Its another form of a hobby thats more productive than playing battle royale games or whatever other people in college do these days
                                Also if you dont care what the point of posting.
                                Anyways congrats OP
                                [–]Marks_Media comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (0 children)
                                Of course congrats to them. I just wouldn't enjoy it. I have no idea what my Japanese level is but I liked the way I studied and I can speak to Japanese coworkers and friends with no issue. It does sound like they enjoyed it so good for them.
                                [–]Jazzy_post_kneel 17 points18 points19 points  (3 children)
                                cope + ratio
                                man_kneeling
                                [–]Marks_Media 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
                                Cope to what lol? That it doesn't sound enjoyable to me? I'm fine with that. Congrats to them.
                                [–]Jazzy_post_kneel 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                                Just look at yourself please....
                                [–]Marks_Media 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                                Already have, nothing to cope to. Maybe don't pretend to know someone from one comment and actually read what I said.
                                [–]autoditactics 15 points16 points17 points  (4 children)
                                Friends? COVID. Hobbies? Japanese is a hobby. Life? That's subjective, and I think learning a language is fulfilling. With 6 hours a day, you still have over 10 hours a day for other stuff too.
                                [–]UnwilledTangent -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                                He mentioned he juggled this 6 hrs of intensive immersion with a 9-5 summer job, which leaves him with 3 hours a day for other stuff, assuming he sleeps for 7 hours.
                                [–]Marks_Media comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (2 children)
                                You can still have friends despite COVID. I have a girlfriend and a few friends that I like to see.
                                Yeah language learning is a hobby and it's definitely fulfilling but I personally need more. I like photography and other activities so I wouldn't sacrifice that. I personally studied several hours a day for awhile. My Japanese level increased drastically and now I'm satisfied.
                                Those other ten hours are probably work and eating honestly. It sounds like it was pretty consistent immersion outside of study time so it sounds like a lot of TV and such.
                                Anyway, congrats to them. Crazy studying that I've only seen from students in DLIFLC.
                                [–]autoditactics 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
                                Yeah, I understand your personal needs. I just don't think it's fair to imply OP doesn't have a life.
                                [–]Marks_Media comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
                                I think it is fair considering they said what they did everyday. When I went to school for Mandarin I studied very similarly to this, there isn't much room for much else. I had time to eat and workout, no real social life. Sucks but it's realistic.
                                [–]shouinekomimi 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
                                based i love sucking at jp too
                                [–]Marks_Media 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                                I can speak Japanese lol. I did two years of language school and live in Japan. I just didn't super blast my brain because I know that I probably couldn't.
                                But again, congrats to OP
                                [–]premiere-anon 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
                                You should read the notes he put in that text at the bottom, namely this section:
                                7) General lifestyle stuff - if learning Japanese is just a hobby for you as well then don't prioritise it over things that mean more to you personally in the long run (uni/work/family/health/whatever that might be for you) - it will quickly stop being enjoyable if you miss a deadline because of Japanese and start having regrets. Make sure to spare free time to do things like hang out with your friends, do non-immersion stuff you enjoy and stay active (this one's always been important to me, being consistent with gym helps freshen my mind and get back into immersion feeling renewed). Remember, you're not gonna forget everything you know if you have a day where you don't manage to get any immersion in because of other stuff.
                                [–]Marks_Media 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
                                I did but thanks! I found what works for me for studying. I was just saying this sounds miserable to me because I know I wouldn't enjoy it.
                                [–]quistissquall -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
                                ok that's fair
                                [–]jenniferlovesthesun -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                                To be fair the post is like 5 pages long
                                [–]jenniferlovesthesun 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
                                Nah that's a reasonable take
                                [–]quistissquall 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
                                but isn't learning japanese something that can also be a hobby? the OP enjoyed their time, it seems like they did have 'a life'.
                                [–]Marks_Media 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
                                Yeah it certainly can. I just said that I would be miserable. I've studied like that before when I learned Mandarin. When I say 'a life' I mean social life, I know from experience when you do this you have to sacrifice something, I sacrificed my friendships for about a year so I could study and still be healthy.
                                [–]quistissquall 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                                yeah that's fair. for me personally if i knew i would be guaranteed n1 (i don't even need a perfect score) after 9 months of intensive study, i would jump at that opportunity.
                                [–]gx4509 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                                When reading manga and novels, is it better to look up every work or skip?
                                Did you watch and readings you had consumed before win English or did you only consume new content?
                                [–]Jazzy-99[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                With manga I didn't always but with novels and VNs I always look up every word I don't know, with the tools available this is very easy to do so. If I've forgotten most of the content then I'll watch it in Japanese but otherwise I tend to consume mostly new content because I get bored rewatching the same thing unless I REALLY like it.
                                [–]eblomquist 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                Man I thought I was crazy - I did 1000 immersion, 400 anki in my first year. I wasn't able to get a JLPT test cause....it crashed...so I'm not TOTALLY sure where I'm at right now. But I would have taken the N3. Absolutely insane.
                                [–]Themlethem 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                You're definitely not a man of few words are you? haha
                                [–]Halfdoghalfpenguin 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                Wow this is some impressive stuff! Its like reading a speedrunning optimal strat guide specifically to achieve 180 on N1. Congrats.
                                I do see quite a few people on here doubting OPs skill and accomplishments, but I don't think OP is lying about the accomplishment. The grind put out to achieve that shows in this post. However, what I do believe is that this level of learning is just not applicable to most people (especially full-time workers/career). OP just happened to be in a situation where he could do this and figured out a way to optimize his learning. I think it is unhealthy to compare yourself to this level of accomplishment and being discouraged from it.
                                [–]dunebean 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                                The comments here are just as interesting as this post, if not more haha. OP's dedication and memory must be out of this world. I sort of feel like maybe the insane memory is definitely the key here, and I say this because in CKJ (specifically C) communities, having a bank of Kanji knowledge and the meanings behind it helps them to pass N1 and understand texts, even if they can't really speak the language. As the goal was mainly to understand native material, this must be the fastest way to do it haha. But with that N1, now you can hop over to Japan at some point and build those speaking skills!
                                [–]s7oc7on 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                                Thousands of Chinese pass with 100% the same way. They log onto a website and write the answers down before they take the test.
                                [–]palea_alt 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                -without having set foot in Japan, now this is fucking insane. Talking both about your capability and your perseverance. This is truly worth flaunting as it's literally unthinkable for the vast majority of even quick learners.
                                [–]physical_solipsism 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                This makes the private military / government academy for language learning look like a chump
                                [–]JaqkofSpades 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                This is fantastic! Thank you for your post, and for your amazing example in diligent study!
                                [–]PokeyOaks11686 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                                Thank you for this!
                                Those decks will come in extremely handy for reviews!
                                [–]sircraftyhands 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                                6 1/2 hours a day should be at the top, middle and in between every sentence of this post.
                                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
                                that's nothing crazy. ever since AJATT became a thing like 2 decades ago there's probably been plenty of people who did 10+ hours a day for a similar stretch of time and never came close to doing this. visual novels and dedication are some powerful shit
                                [–]kachigumiriajuu 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                                passive input (what AJATT recommends and what much of those "10 hours" consist of) is soooo much less useful than sitting with your full attention on a visual novel or shousetsu with a dictionary and making sense of any words and sentences you don't know.
                                [–]JiMyeong 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                                Then there is me who has been circling N5 for like 2 years.
                                Good job OP that is some crazy dedication.
                                I've been trying to branch out of tadoku readers and get into manga, how would to recommend reading through something like Demon Slayer or Chainsaw Man. They have furigana and they are manga I have read them before, I'd prefer to start with manga i've already read so I can just focus in comprehension rather than worrying about what's going on. I don't really read or watch slice of life
                                How many times did you find yourself rereading study? When did you consider a page was read? Did you just read and go to the next page or stay on a page until you fully comprehended it?
                                How did you study grammar? Just through immersion alone?
                                How well would you say your output is?
                                How would you condense your study routine into something manageable that the average person can do? For others can study how you did, but also include other things into their life. Sorry if that sounded rude idk how else to word it...
                                [–]Jazzy-99[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                                Nice choice of manga! I'd give it a go and see how you do, if you find you start getting lost or there's a lot you can't understand then maybe drop the difficulty. But otherwise it's definitely worth giving it a go, much better than forcing yourself to read something you don't enjoy.
                                My process of reading each sentence: look up any vocab I don't know if there is any, then the same for grammar, if I still can't understand then I'll give the sentence a reread and think about it for a bit, but if I still can't get it I'll move on. And just repeat for each sentence while trying to also understand as a whole what's going on in the story + with the characters.
                                Yes, by looking up any unknown grammar while reading.
                                My writing's better than my speaking but still needs a lot of improvement for sure.
                                Honestly just the same but do as much as time as you can with your lifestyle. This being effective is not reliant on having to do 6+ hours a day.
                                [–]FanxyChildxDean 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                                If this is really true the person must have very very good memory like in photographic memory cause this is no normal feat. The one guy Stevi on youtube passed JLPTn1 with 3800H(around 7H of immersion each day) in 1 1/2 year and this is already a very good feat.
                                The thing is what is there to take away for others? 6,5H immersion per day is good but not a crazy feat ( quite few people immerse more than this)feat which means the author has a crazy talent in learning japanese /memory (which is a nice thing in itself), but could cause people to question their japanese ability.
                                There is no need and use to compare yourself with this, this is like comparing yourself to Usain Bolt when it comes to running. You will not accomplish this unless you have a talent and super memory ( Just look at most Japanese JLPT n1 learning stories on youtube)
                                So yeah if it is really true,then its nice that the auhtor is so gifted in learning japanese or in general learning and remembering new information.
                                Now the last chapter is a bit salty, but learning 6,5H each day is not crazy, if the immersion time would be 12-14h per day then this would really show dedication (imo)
                                PS: Just lowkey salty that i do not pick up Japanese as fast :)
                                [–]kachigumiriajuu 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                                reading with full attention and looking up everything you don't know isn't the same as "immersion". the more active the process is, the stronger the memories that form and the better you learn. what many people call "immersion" is not very effective even in "12-14 hour" intervals because your brain is barely paying attention, and you're especially not looking things up and putting pieces together.
                                [–]ShanLHO 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                                Well, If he can do that, hopefully I can do N2 to N1 in 5 months with just 100/180. Lol.
                                That's more than amazing though. He definitely enjoys it all and doesn't suffer from procrastination. Commiting to 6 hours a day is not an easy thing.
                                [–]Katou_Best_Girl 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                Actually insane lmao, but honestly believable. The way you studied is very smart. That being said, full marks on N1 lol wtf xD
                                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                I do not believe you.
                                [–]GaburieruPeppas -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
                                Sorry if this post is too cringey in some way, long, unnecessary, etc. I've been really psyched lately about learning, and I wanted to share how I'm doing, at least somewhere. Perhaps it will help some one. If anyone reads this and has some tips for how I can improve, let me know. :)
                                This guy is insane.
                                I started around the same time as him, although it took me a while to gain steam. I doubt if I'm even a tenth as proficient as him, and I also have nothing but time (I even maybe took a month off in total). Recently I've been studying perhaps 2-4 solid hours a day (have a lot of free time tbh), and I'm also starting to immerse as much as I can beyond my core study time. Also, I was already watching anime daily for a few months, and still do to this day. Even though I didn't start like him, for the last 3-4 months my time spent studying has skyrocketed.
                                My studying includes starting my day with a few minutes each of a bunch of videos (ones that I don't want to take notes on) to warm up. Basically any video I see that looks worthwhile I'll add to my Watch Later playlist. This might take ~15 minutes. This portion of study includes if I get one of Yuta's free e-mailed lessons, or if I find a good short video by someone of Dogen or the likes.
                                I then usually go on to ~30 minutes of Misa (Japanese Ammo on Youtube); ~30 minutes of Jap. Pod 101 w/ Risa; ~30 minutes of Tae Kim; and ~30 minutes of Memrise. For these 30 minute sessions, I set my timer for 33 minutes and pause anytime my focus shifts away from the content (3 extra minutes for when I get fidgety, lol). On days where I don't have much time due to IRL obligations, I'll maybe do ~5-15 minutes of each of those 33 minute sessions. I probably average about one of these days per week.
                                Afterwards, I complete 1 kanji completely (write down everything for that 1 kanji) in two of the Tuttle (publisher) books I have (Japanese Kanji Made Easy by Kluemper and the Second Volume of Sato's Kanji Practice Workbook).
                                Then I'll thoroughly read through 1 post (and take the advice) from both the LearnJapanese and LearnJapaneseNovice subreddits (sequentially based on all-time upvotes). Also, I like to try to look at one new random radical on Jisho. Keep in mind for almost everything I'm writing down, I am very keen on pitch accent and stroke order (might as well do it the best I can, but I'm not the type to be a stickler in this way).
                                Then, I recently bought all of 「よつばと!」, a manga. I try to translate a little of the cover (the publication information is especially challenging and teaches me how to search for new kanji) and a page or two daily. Once I'm more proficient I'll just read them for fun (more pages eventually).
                                Casually (daily), and on days where I'm too busy to study much at all (times when I go to town to get errands done), I'll use WaniKani or the Hammercards app to go through some words. I recently found the Comprehensible Japanese Youtube Channel, which is great. If I'm doing chores, I'll try to throw on a simple Japanese podcast. Today I bought the Remembering Kanji books by Heisig. I've been trying to find music from Japan lately too. Also I just set up Anki, LanguageReactor (for Netflix and Youtube), Animelon (website similar to the aforementioned plug-in), and Yomichan (browser extension) today. I've been using Jisho and 10ten reader (extension) a lot, and love those.
                                Again, sorry if my language is too repetitive, etc., and thanks for reading. :)
                                [–]mR_tIm_TaCo 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
                                Honestly, I think what you've set up recently with Anki, language reactor, planning to use Animelon, and yomichan will be the key to progressing with Japanese!
                                If kanji recognition is an issue for you, I'd highly suggest doing Recognition Remembering the Kanji as opposed to production RTK as it's much easier. Tae Kim is probably a solid enough base for grammar so that much should be enough for at least a while once you get through it.
                                I don't know how much vocab you're at currently but going through a pre-made Anki deck (typically either the Tango N5 and N4 or Core 2.3k) in order to get a solid foundation of 1-2k words is definitely a good place to start.
                                When you start sentence mining (once you get your foundation of vocab) setting up AnkiConnect with YomiChan is really helpful and makes it super easy to make flashcards.
                                I'd also suggest reading through TheMoeWay site and Refold (Refold is super extensive so I'd suggest just reading the brief version of it and only for the part you're at and then going to the detailed guide for more info) for more information on effective methods to learn.
                                I'd highly recommend joining some discord communities for learning such as the Refold JP discord and TheMoeWay discord as they can provide and are constantly sharing a ton of resources for Japanese and being in communities that have people dedicated to learning is honestly really motivating imo.
                                I'd say the most important thing to do is to flip how you think about learning Japanese. From your post it seems like the focus is mostly on more I guess traditional study based methods with immersion as the thing that comes after that. However, as counter intuitive as it may seem at first, putting that huge chunk of time towards immersion and then just putting a bit of time into Tae Kim, Dogen's videos, etc... every day while also doing Anki everyday is probably the best thing you can do!
                                Here's a document that has a really solid guide to how to approach learning Japanese with tons of resources and advice on Anki setup and such:
                                that was made by the person who made this post with their 1 year update a while back:
                                Highly recommend reading through the post as it can help give you a good idea of what's achievable based on how much time you put in. Hope this helps!
                                [–]GaburieruPeppas 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                                All of this seems daunting but I will definitely go through everything you said thoroughly once I’m more awake and reconsider how I’m learning! Thanks for being kind.
                                [–]GaburieruPeppas 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
                                I think it’s more likely I’ll do a gradual shift to what you’re saying, so I can try to see how to integrate the best aspects of what I’m currently doing, as well as definitely do what you said more and more as it sounds leagues better based on what I already know so far. But I think slowly shifting will be less off putting and will allow me to also not discard anything good that I’m currently up to.
                                [–]mR_tIm_TaCo 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                                That sounds like a good plan! The most important thing is sticking with it so whatever helps you do that is definitely best.
                                [–]Disconn3cted 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                Congratulations on writing the longest post on Reddit I've ever seen. Oh, and on learning Japanese too.
                                But I won't this post doesn't give anyone else the wrong idea. Maybe you could learn Japanese in 8 months, but it takes most people a few years.
                                [–]stubbieee -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                                I kneel
                                [–]gomihako_ -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                                But can you have a normal conversation with a native?
                                [–]SanFranSicko23 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                That’s wild. Congrats on passing that quickly. I don’t get the impression there are many like me on here but I’m honestly jealous so many of y’all enjoy Japanese media so much.
                                I live in Japan because of work and my family, but I honestly don’t enjoy Japanese content at all. I have no interest in anime, manga, JRPGs or traditional stuff like kendo. Most of my hobbies are just way (way) more enjoyable through non-Japanese content. Watching the J league is just painful when you could be watching the NBA. Audiophile content and discussion is overwhelmingly in English. Just as examples.
                                Brute force has always been my method, but you guys who enjoy the immersion are lucky!
                                [–]MajorPrestigious168 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                Hey guys, I got a 0/180 on the JLPT N1. Wanna know what I did?
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                                  [–]kyousei8 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
                                  Because not everyone wants to not be able to read a book after 5+ years.
                                  Edit: lmao OP deleted his post
                                  [–]Okalyne 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                  God damn. That’s a surrealist ability to learn How it it even possible to learn 50 words a day ?
                                  [–]Shhhoff 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                                  Thanks for your input. So if you would start again from day one, what would you have done and how ?
                                  [–]Raidorra 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                                  literally what can he do better lmao ?
                                  this is probably as good as it gets
                                  [–]fakealbatross 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                  Its a good route but you can probably optimize this 100% run a lot more. How about skip kanji, learn core2k first and then start reading visual novels right away 10 hours a day, you will naturally learn kanji, grammar and words as you go along. When you learn each word you want to add an audio card otherwise you wont know the pitch accent. You could also optimize the word frequency a bit to have it suited for the test, like you could only read visual novels that are themed around real world things as opposed to learning useless RPG fantasy terms.
                                  [–]thened 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                  It's been two days now and I wonder why OP has not replied to any comments nor posted before or after making this post.
                                  Come back, OP! Answer questions!
                                  [–]XManaX -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
                                  And i thought i was a freak for getting N2 in half that time lol. Even then, this guy perfecting N1 in 8,5 months feels insane because the jump from N2 to N1 is kinda large, let alone getting a full score.
                                  Anyway, while this kind of progress is technically possible (because i did it myself), it's definitely not for the average JP learner. I burned out after 2,5 months doing KKLC (30 cards per day) so i got to around 1900 Kanji and ca. 10k vocab/sentences. I quit (still doing reviews) for a awhile and just played some games in JP in the mean time. I did finished the rest before passing the test though.
                                  I didn't spend as much time immersing as i should so grinding Kanji and vocab by themselves feels like a slog. Now i see that if i had immerse as much as this guy, i could have reached N1 by now as well. Or maybe i am already N1, just stopped giving a damn about JLPT a long time ago.
                                  Definitely got some pointers from this, so thanks OP!
                                  [–]natto-848008381 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
                                  What is “slice-of-life” anime?
                                  [–]kyousei8 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
                                  Normal (or mostly normal) people doing normal things in a normal setting. Stuff like K-On, Non Non Biyori, Yuru Camp, etc. As compared to more action or sci-fi oriented anime.
                                  [–]natto-848008381 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                                  Thanks! I’m pretty new to the anime world, how do you go about finding different types of anime?
                                  [–]kyousei8 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                                  Not allowed to mention it on this sub unfortunately.
                                  [–]CautionaryWarning 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                                  myanimelist has it all
                                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                  Good shit
                                  [–]stansfield123 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                  In the last ~8.5 months, I listened to a few hours worth of podcasts, I drilled basic Kanji words with Anki for a few hours, I read 20 manga chapters, I watched the Alice in Borderland series, a season of Documental, and a movie (Kimi no Na wa). I also tried watching the Rurouni Kenshin movies, but I got bored half way through the first one.
                                  I think that adds up to a solid 10 minutes/day.
                                  Didn't take any tests, but I'm very happy with my progress.
                                  [–]Daplayer0888 -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                                  Good job, I'm not going to do that because I don't want to suffer while studying and I want to learn at my own pace. No way in hell I'm studying 50 card a day, that's awful.
                                  [–]kynthrus comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
                                  First off, wow OP that is incredibly impressive congrats. I decided to take the N1 test recently after never studying or even looking at the JLPT and while I did pass, it's not an easy test.
                                  That being said for anyone this post discourages, OP's studyIng habits were almost unhealthy and not recommended for developing proper language skills.
                                  Also, in my opinion the JLPT was a very poor test to measure Japanese language skills and it's a little disappointing that so many jobs require you to take it. You could probably more easily just brute force memorize past tests questions and how they're answered and likely get a passing score.
                                  [–]DESPRENDIMIENTO -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                                  Congratz!
                                  That being said, completely unachieveable by even smart and very diligent people who follow the same methods. (much less if they're physics major too?! I would expect a person without a job/university, 10hrs a day doing nothing but JP)
                                  This kind of feat is higher than what 99.9999% of people could do, the guy's IQ exceeds 170.
                                  Very good job, this is probably the world record and I don't anyone ever breaking it.
                                  Sadly though, these kind of posts can really demotivate people, as it's a clear ego boost for the OP.
                                  [–]derpydoopie -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                                  bro, you're missing out on vtubers....
                                  [–]71619997a -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
                                  Good to know I'll be able to ace the N1 once I hit a thousand hours of reading immersion too :P Halfway there!
                                  [–]zlukx -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                                  I did something similiar, while being an exchange student in Japan. in 4 months I jumped from N4 to N2. But I am not happy about it. Should have enjoyed the time in Japan, find friends, immerse into Tokyo. The best time I had was, when I just started studying japanese and was meeting japanese people in izakayas and having a language exchange. There was no progress but a lot of fun and enjoyment. >_<
                                  If it is not yor job to study japanese, enjoy studying in your way!
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                                    [–]miun69 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
                                    You're just bitter.
                                    [–]Endercin 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    Everytime I see that kind of posts popping out around, I really want to try to set up everything but looks like Mac users needs a degree in IT or something, anyway, this time was a failed attempt once again. Glad you guys could do and boost your japanese.
                                    [–]theGuywhomadeCovid19 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    Congratulations, that's an amazing achievement. Seriously.
                                    Thank you for sharing your journey and all the details. I've taken some very valuable information that's already helping me learn Korean better. Your story is mind blowing, inspiring, and motivating.
                                    [–]Ryuubu 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    Nice buddy. I studied 30 minutes a day for a couple months and went from n2 to n1
                                    [–]LivebyGod 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    hey, im curious how you picked out mangas ln and vn. me personally i have catastrophic inability to decide on a damn thing. i dont have really that much knowledge in anime (less than 50 anime watched or manga ( less than 5)
                                    light novel and vn never read. but i do like them and i want to get into them.
                                    [–]WindowLevel4993 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    this is a pretty late response to your post but i will anyway. Because it's an amazing achievement, and hope people will look at this post along with doth and steve for inspiration which it should (I know I have). I'm already more into more than 4 months of my animecards journey. And, this shit is the way to go.
                                    [–]Rusttdaron 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    Wow this is amazing I thought that me achieving N1 in 10 months was insane but you got it in 8... Nice!
                                    [–]janedoe01012000 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    I’ve been trying to learn Japanese since I was seven years old, but I would take long hiatus for months or a year and would have to relearn or practice all of the stuff I should have already mastered. Motivation wasn’t there and it comes and goes. I’m nineteen now, and I’m American. This is inspirational for me.
                                    [–]carlosaugus1o 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    I don't see this post as discouraging. I actually find it amazing. It means that I could, with some adaptations, achieve the same results in maybe two or three years. That would already be an amazing feat for me.
                                    [–]ochiterukujira 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    Absolutely massive accomplishment and amazing work! One question, if you don't mind.
                                    You stressed the importance of finding things you're interested in in order to keep up motivation. The biggest mystery to me is how you were able to find so many things you were interested in. For me, there have been so many moments of realization where I'm like "This LN is just bad, I'm only reading it because it's in Japanese" or "I would never play this game if it were in English". Did you find yourself in that situation? If so, what did you do? How did you find new things and decide "this looks interesting"? Was there some overarching meta-source you used?
                                    One thing I envy about other Japanese learners is everyone seems to be into romance stuff and that's just not interesting to me. I never read anything romance-related in English. It seems like 95% of visual novels center around that...
                                    [–]Karsticus 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                                    I'll be honest. I'm very salty and depressed that I will never come close to being this good. Can you please say something comforting Mr Jazzy :(
                                    [–]mrtwobonclay 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    Why not?
                                    [–]smarlitos_ 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    I don’t think you would’ve gone much faster by doing grammar. Most people I’ve seen who extensively studied grammar get too obsessed w it, spend tons of time reading explanations in English, and don’t progress nearly as fast as you. Then again, you probably put more hours than them.
                                    [–]MediumAcanthaceae486 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    That's incredible. Well done.
                                    [–]CrazyhourXDx 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    Hey, i know im late to the party but i have a question, after passing the n1, how do you think you would do trying to translate professionally, do you think n1 is enough or do you think there's a higher level required for that sort of stuff.
                                    [–]UniversalHoler 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                                    I've started seriously dedicating myself to learning Japanese around 5 days ago. My method so far is pretty much 100% listening immersion, of which around 90% is anime, while the other 10% is podcasts. Outside of that, I do Anki for around 1 hour a day (20 new cards daily).
                                    Reading through your post gave me a lot to think about in terms of my approach to learning the language, seeing that you're advocating for a reading-based approach, and you surely have grounds to back it up! Anyway, I am holding off on reading because (as you've mentioned) I feel like I would get nowhere, having extremely limiting grammar and vocabulary (I did read some of Kim's guide, but not everything, and it doesn't "stick" so well thanks to all the rules, aka. the nature of grammar).
                                    I'm now considering switching up my routing to be similar to yours! Right now, I only have 2 questions, and hopefully you or someone else will be able to answer them for me:
                                    1. How do you manage to review 50+ cards per day in around 40 minutes? I don't want to compare, but that's the only metric I have right now. It takes me around an hours to complete my daily Anki, having 20 new cards every day. I haven't really changed my Anki settings from the default for now, but am wondering if that makes such a difference, or is there just that big of a gap in our speeds?
                                    2. You talked about watching subbed anime in the beginning. I started off watching it raw since (again), my method up until now was heavily listening focused. Did you pause it for every instance of a word you didn't understand, or did you just pause it long enough to read the subs, or did you simply just use subs and not pause at all? I know you mentioned splitting this between watching raw for some anime and pausing for others, but I'm wondering if you did the pausing thing from the start.
                                    Anyway, doubt you're still reading the replies, but in case you are, I'm extremely impressed by your whole story, and while it is a bit menacing in a way, it greatly motivated me to keep at this, even though I'm not having amazing results yet (I know, only a week so far, I must have an extreme case of short-term satisfaction, but I'm working to change that), but you've given me the extra push to "commit" myself to this now, and whatever happens happens now. It can't be worse than it was, since I was binging random YouTube videos and playing games beforehand.
                                    Good luck with your further studies, and thank you for sharing your journey with us for free. I'm looking forward to see your next post, at this pace around next year :D