I could print this in black and white. Sven Stoffels continues to amaze with HEATHER SWAIN 1994.
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Did you go to art college or art school, out of curiosity?
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Nope. I’m just an ordinary genius.
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Ah I see, explains why lifeless bland geometry we did as homework when we were 18 blows your mind then.
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I think it fits the llook of a 90s kitchen, geometrical wise. Some color would help to make it pop. Whats the deal with you and Sven, why do you hate him? Lol
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I don’t, he’s 100% over exaggerated a fictional beef because months ago I commented on a random post that appeared in my feed where someone had put a badly drawn man through the Ghibli filter and put them side by side and I commented ‘both look shit’. I’d no idea who’s account it was. I’d never heard of him and still don’t really know who he is I’ve no time for it, but clearly that broke his midget heart and he’s been screaming and crying about it ever since. Plus his artwork is fucking diabolically terrible, Ethan is simply doing him a favour and throwing him a bone so he can pay his rent and buy some instant ramen, hence the huge amount of sweeping Ethans having to do for it. Paul Rivoches post the other day was absolutely diamond tipped accurate 👌 I’ve bought indie comics for decades some absolutely phenomenal stuff but strayed into this small claustrophobic ring-fenced corner about 2 years ago and its almost like it’s not connected to the broader world of indie comics at all. It’s its own small sectioned off town where the quality and standard of artwork and writing doesn’t matter one little bit it’s almost irrelevant and the only thing that’s important is who’s cock you suck and how many social credit points you’ve earn for the tribe, speak out of line of the hivemind and you just watch the dogpiling and witch hunting. I made it very clear when Eric July put out Isom how shockingly bad the artwork was, so much so I’ve trolled the hell out of him for ages about it. So when dogshit like this stuff above which is far worse than anything Eric has ever put out I’m not going to be a hypocrite and pretend that it’s good because it’s not it’s fucking terrible. EVS will be fine he’s put decent books out in the past and I’m sure he’ll put more out in the future, this is definitely a fuck up though. Have you ever seen a comic announced where you post art from it and a whole bunch of the comments from normal fans were ‘er no thanks’ ’kill fee, kill fee’ and ‘you need to nuke this one now’? I’ve not. At the start I got added to 10 chat groups that I didn’t leave I just muted them all apart from one, they range from CG haters to CG lovers and one with EVS in. All 9 of these groups have been completely tearing this spastic artwork apart in private the moment it was first posted (including 3 comicsgate Kings) and it’s been fascinating to quietly watch. The only group that was deadly silent about it is the one group with EVS in, which is self explanatory and says it all. If it wasn’t for Jason Wrights fantastic colouring completely holding this thing on a life support machine it would have zero value by the look of it. If you’ve ever mocked anything by the Rippaverse, or even closer, Drunk 3P0’s Achromatic Chronicles…then this is in that same basket. Apart from the two short videos Katy clipped I still barely know or care who ‘sVen sToFfeLs’ even is, we’ve never spoken, been in a thread or dm, or had any communication whatsoever. Gay art, gay sweeping, gay cope. The other artwork in this book looks great though.
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Very well put 👌
A million times this—a great critique of the current scene’s flaws. Many indie comics veer dangerously close to “vanity press” territory, feeding on copious amounts of self-delusion. And in part it’s because of the breaking of the “honest feedback loop”, as mentioned in the quoted thread. I’ve said it before—there were and are many problems in the “old days” of comics, but the entry level standards back then were much higher, generally speaking. And that’s why so many comics were produced that are still read, reprinted, and admired—even revered! NOW, not only can anyone and everyone self-publish, but the parasocial elements get tangled into the proceedings, and this skews and screws up everything…usually not for the better. Because of the formation of these strange online tribes/gangs/mobs, people are scared to say anything that will be construed (or twisted, clipped, and misrepresented) as “negative attacks” about the creations of their OWN groups. They know they risk being ganged up on, viciously beaten online, and then kicked out; and similarly, they’re terrified to say anything GOOD about the work of anyone deemed “non-tribe” or “designated enemy of the month”. All of this kills the “honest feedback loop”. And it gets even more warped because sometimes fans from one tribe will buy demonstrably weak products from their in-group, not for their intrinsic merits, but simply as a way to make a statement and to “own” the other tribe. Despite the denials of some, this exact thing OBVIOUSLY happens regularly regardless of political affiliation. “Right-wing” indie people do this just as much, and as easily, as the so-called “SJW leftists” they regularly denounce. “Canceling” is still alive and well! In the old days the process of entry into comics was quieter, brutal, but more honest. The survival decision, the verdict on the work, was just between the reader/fan and the spinner rack—an anonymous process. The verdict was the sales figures, and before that, the opinion of the editor. It wasn’t endlessly played out in public, in tweets and streams and vicious online brawls. If the work was good and appealed to the audience, it sold…and if it didn’t, it was dropped. All this other BS didn’t and couldn’t exist…and that was one big reason why standards were maintained. This all happened more privately…and the entry level to get in as a “professional” at the big companies was HIGH. Everyone maintained the standards. Editors such as Joe Kubert, Archie Goodwin, Jim Shooter, and so many others KNEW THE CRAFT. So if you were finally published one fine day, that was VERIFIABLE PROOF that you’d hit the mark, and were good enough. Being a “pro” actually meant something! NOW, it’s a warped free-for-all with everyone pretending they can reinvent the wheel—often not caring about the methods and standards of the past. None of this will change, generally, because it’s a different era now with different forces and we’re not going back. But the good news is that there are still some amazing talents out there.
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Yes, Rivoche is right. I don’t particularly like the art Ethan presented. As always, I wish his campaign is successful.
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Rivoche wasn't talking about Sven Stoffels.
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That is true. No particular mentions were made. I believe that using Sven’s art in the (CYBERFROG) world you made, with the kind of visuals you produced, is a bit of a gamble. How it will work, how it will be received when fully put together remains to be seen.
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...and he posted that 3 days ago, so it wasn't in response to this new page I just posted by Sven. Good storytelling is good storytelling. Sven is a great storyteller. His characters are consistently drawn and the acting is perfect. Even the backgrounds are nice. It's definitely different for a CyberFrog book, but it's going to be excellent. I don't know what the fuck ROV is talking about.

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Lol I just got sent this post. Nobody said or implied that Rivoches post was aimed at the bad art above, it was clearly referring to tribal status coming before quality of art but you know this. 2 yrs ago Eric July lost his mind because he couldn’t take mild criticism…now look👆
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