(cache)LTE Band 13

LTE Band 13

Jun 24, 2018 11:32

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I was wondering if in the future they will be adding LTE Band 13.

They have every other LTE Bands that most Canadian wireless providers are using and deploying, depending on the province and region; LTE Bands 2, 4, 5, 7, 12, 17, 29, 30, 66 (and even the future LTE Band 71)

Bell/Telus, depending on the province and Freedom Mobile/Videotron are both using LTE Band 13.

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deangilvin

@lemur said:
I just switched to Verizon today without first checking to see if there was compatibility Hard lesson learned. Looks like I'll have to go back to AT&T which, for the past few years, had terrible reception in my area.

Why not just go to TMobile, your Volte and Wifi calling will work as well.

Sep 20, 2018 19:563 LikesReply

deangilvin

@aenews said:
Yep I agree. Since the other poster is insistent that it works, I'm interested as I would not expect it to ever work.Yeah I doubt it's the case, but if somehow it did truly work on the OP5T then that would suggest it possible on later models as well. Not saying that the poster is correc...

Exactly!! I see all the time how people root, think they're turning on a band and lo and behold it never actually connects to the band. They fail to understand there is more to getting a band to connect then going into the settings and turning it "on". There's never any real confirmation because it doesn't work like they think.

To say nothing of the fact if you're trying to use Verizon's cdma bands, you also need to install the code from Verizon. This was the issue with the ZTE Axon 7 phone, that was a dual GSM and CDMA phone. Some people were having trouble getting their local store to give them the code to make it work and had to go from store to store.

Jan 06, 2019 21:351 LikeReply

aenews

@deangilvin said:
I haven't seen confirmation that Band 13 has been able to be turned on with the 5t nor that it was even listed as a band whether turned on or not with others who rooted their devices anywhere. Even if Band 13 was able to be turned on within Qualcomm that doesn't mean that you would still b...

Yep I agree. Since the other poster is insistent that it works, I'm interested as I would not expect it to ever work.

@deangilvin said:
Actually, it has no bearing on the OP6 at all, since Band 13 is not available whether rooted or not this is has been stated on numerous forums all over the place. You can not compare the 6 to the 6t at all, the 6t was redesigned to specifically work with both TMobile and Verizon for certification. T...

Yeah I doubt it's the case, but if somehow it did truly work on the OP5T then that would suggest it possible on later models as well. Not saying that the poster is correct. I'm just interested in what they have to say. First of all, they can and should confirm if the device is connected to B13 LTE by checking LTE Discovery. I'd like to see some real confirmation. I'm interested only because there has not been a single case of success in enabling B13 LTE.

Jan 05, 2019 10:161 LikeReply

aenews

Jan 02, 2019 03:001 LikeReply

aenews

@taylorsagreatguy said:
I've tested MetroPCS, Cricket, and Verizon. All networks work on the OnePlus 5T if you root it, flash a custom kernel, and also enable support for band 13 using Qualcomm diagnostics software. It's a bit of a chore but it works. Download speeds of about 55mbps and an upload speeds around...

Very interesting as I haven't seen other confirmations that Qualcomm's tool worked to enable B13 LTE on handsets older than the OP6. Perhaps other users unacquainted would want a more detailed explanation of your adventures.

The OP6T has B13 LTE OOTB and is certified with Verizon for official support. Hence it's a given that there aren't B13 LTE issues.

Jan 02, 2019 02:211 LikeReply

taylorsagreatguy

@deangilvin said:
This phone is not designed to work on Verizon, Period. Write your novel all you want, you're wrong.Verizon has already stated even when they do switch to LTE, they are blocking phones not certified by them.LTE isn't going to be the standard for at least another 5 years before gsm is sh...

I've tested MetroPCS, Cricket, and Verizon. All networks work on the OnePlus 5T if you root it, flash a custom kernel, and also enable support for band 13 using Qualcomm diagnostics software. It's a bit of a chore but it works. Download speeds of about 55mbps and an upload speeds around 15mbps are throttled indicating higher speeds are possible. Google speed test resulted in download and upload speeds under 1mbps but speed test . net resulted in the aforementioned values. At first the LTE service was intermittent because the carrier was trying to overwrite my settings which made my phone power cycle a few times. That's why rooting and altering the kernel is necessary. Lets put this to rest...

LTE band 13 works very well with the OnePlus 5T and I'd assume it works just fine on the 6T as well since both the 835 and 845 processors are capable of using it. Bypassing the software restrictions is the only hurdle because Verizon paid a lot of money to try and keep band 13 proprietary.

Note: My download and upload speeds are probably also the result of adding external antennae using W.FL to SMA connectors. This can be done for both the cell and wifi radios.

Jan 02, 2019 02:091 LikeReply

aenews

@deangilvin said:
The only company I believe that uses band 13 is verizon which is a CDMA phone, there is no point of turning it on since this phone is for GSM not CDMA.

You're completely wrong. This phone supports CDMA. It in fact supports both CDMA Bands (0 and 1) used by Verizon. It also supports all of Verizon's other non-primary LTE Bands aside from the important Band 13. Band 13 is the only missing band. A small handful of people do choose to use it on Verizon despite the lack of B13 LTE. This has nothing to do with CDMA. It's a missing (very important) LTE Band.

@deangilvin said:
To be perfectly honest, I don't care.I would never ever go back to Verizon even if they lowered their overpriced plans. Plus Verizon is doing away with CDMA in the coming years. If you don't already have an LTE Sim from them you have to use a phone they've certified for their system...

For that matter GSM is also dead. AT&T no longer has GSM and is only UMTS/LTE. Both CDMA/GSM are outdated technologies. By your own admission, Verizon will kill their CDMA as well which undoubtedly is the case. So they are hardly backwards in that sense. T-Mobile still has GSM, but they'll kill it eventually as well as they transition spectrum to LTE.

Oct 06, 2018 04:201 LikeReply

deangilvin

@crunchybutternut said:
Is it really difficult to turn on the band, if the chip supports it natively?

Yes,because then you also need the antenna and any additional software... It's a GSM phone not a CDMA phone.

Sep 11, 2018 01:391 LikeReply

deangilvin

The only company I believe that uses band 13 is verizon which is a CDMA phone, there is no point of turning it on since this phone is for GSM not CDMA.

Jul 19, 2018 20:501 LikeReply

deangilvin

Jan 04, 2019 08:280 LikeReply

taylorsagreatguy

@deangilvin said:
Sigh, we're discussing the 6 not any other models.And how many people know how to root?????And the 6t, came with support for 13 out of the box, plus already reported it will be certified by Verizon to work on their network.So, the point of this entire posting of yours is to what end?

Sigh, we're actually discussing hardware capabilities of the Qualcomm 845 which is in the 6 series and very similar to the 835 which was used in the 5 series. Both of these belong to the Qualcomm 8** series. Verizon "certification" isn't necessary for a phone to be compatible with their network...both come with hardware support for band 13 out of the box but this entire thread is sorta kinda meant for those of us with some info that is somewhat useful for enabling LTE band 13 on an 8** series processor that didn't have it included from the manufacturer. I'm pretty sure it just has to do with something silly and unrelated like the application OnePlus made with the FCC missing a few things.

Jan 04, 2019 03:120 LikeReply

taylorsagreatguy

Here's my adventure.. The short version because I don't have much time to write at the moment but I'll get back to this later today.

Like a complete fool, I thought I could walk around with my 5T without a case and all would be well. The inevitable happened and it was even more theatrical than that scene in the matrix where Mr. Smith tries to end Neo via dual suicide by train. I stepped out of my car, the phone slipped past my thumb and in my attempt to grab it mid-air, I gave it a sufficient tap to fly out into an oncoming vehicle. The screen broke and I had to wait over a month to get a new one from China.
During this interim period, I used a Samsung Galaxy S7 that was locked into the strict and creepy clutches of the evil Verizon overlords. Once my screen came in, I popped the sim carcard into my 5T and was surprised to see that everything worked just fine even though it shouldn't have worked at all. The network forced a power cycle and afterwards the 4G functionality would only work intermittently for a short period of time after a fresh stock flash. This told me that even though the phone was hardware capable, there was some sort of policy issue limiting one of the bands that Verizon hides their dirty little "proprietary" (totally not proprietary) signals in.

Rooting:
All oneplus phones ship with an unlockable bootloader from the factory and OnePlus encourages rooting for users who wish to do so and will even aid in fixing whatever you screw up as long as you don't do something really really stupid. Rooting an OnePlus phone is as simple as:
1. Enable Dev mode, unlock bootloader, enable debugging.
2. Install adb/fastboot stuff on your computer.
3. Download TWRP and flash the recovery partition.
4. Root with magisk and flash the latest stock or custom rom.

Rooting a OnePlus is easier than counting to 5.
It was meant to be rooted.

Qualcomm stuff:
The qualcomm dev stuff is not so simple... I'll get to that later today but in a similarly complicated and hearty nutshell, II wen down a circuitous route of backing things up, flashing roms over and over with minor modifications, manually altering individual files using a text editor, and then using some qualcomm developer tools after doing some research on their site with the mindsetmof "HowHwould IIgo about locking things up if I was an evil network provider who hates freedom?" ...and then just did a ton of trial and error.
Go ahead and STFW and you'll find stuff for the OPO and OP3.. it's basically the same for the 5T and most likely the 6 too because ... dun dun DUN!!! The qualcomm processor isn't specific to OnePlus (cell phone manufacturer) or Verizon (network provider), oror Andro (OS). Snapdragon 835 and 845 shouldn't make much of a difference other than the extra features of the 845 but the 835 didn't even have all of the cools stuff enabled so I see no reason to tote around an 845 without first exploring everything the 835 can do... but yes, the 6 and 6T is pretty awesome.

I'll clean all this up and explain things better later today but in closing (for now) OnePlus absolutely does NOT make any phone specifically for a provider because they are a Chinese company and cater to the Chinese market. In China (I lived there for almost a year), you can buy any phone from anywhere and it can be freely used with whatever network provider you prefer, as long as it is hardware compatible. Carriers locking phone bootloaders there isn't a thing because that would be oppressive. I brought a Cricket Galaxy S5 to China and it was not compatible with their network because AT&T magicked away that phone's ability to live a full and happy life free from overbearing restrictions.. So, I bought 3 random Chinese phones at a market, rooted them with towelroot (the good ol' days) put dual sim cards in all of them, kept one in my bag, one at home, and one at work, turned on their hotspots, set up ssh on all of them so I could control them remotely and still did everything on my S5 with a VPN. The best part was that for 6 phone lines, all with hotspots, 4g, and an interestingly sufficient 1gig plan on each... I was only paying $15 more than what I currently pay Verizon for unlimited data with a hotspot on quite possibly the most stupidly restrictive network in America.
Now, don't get mad but... I still use the S7 for daily stuff and just broadcast the hotspot for my 5T since I still need to replace some internal stuff that was damaged. I can only say that I have 4G connectivity, on Verizon, with a 5T... from haphazardously tinkering around with a lot of things over the course of about 3 months. I haven't evaluated it very much because my microphone and a few other things still don't work and I'm waiting on parts to arrive from China...endlessly. It could be a total fluke from the phone getting jostled (hit by a truck) or maybe it was simply blessed by the cell phone gods...

... qualcomm stuff later today. Until then, STFW.

Edit1:
Also, the kernel stuff... I wanted to try out nethunter so STFW on that and check out the nethunter guides on XDA. The kernel I'm using was modified and I just tweaked a few things. If you decide to do any of the stuff I did, prepare for a truckload of bootloops and a stack of bricks about 6' high with random glitches throughout the OS..

Jan 04, 2019 02:580 LikeReply

deangilvin

@aenews said:
Well it certainly applies to the OP6 if it works for the 5T and the 6T has B13 OOTB.While there isn't as much of a reason to want to pursue it, this is still very interesting as I wouldn't expect the Qualcomm method to work for the OP5T. Never seen a confirmation of success ever. I'...

I haven't seen confirmation that Band 13 has been able to be turned on with the 5t nor that it was even listed as a band whether turned on or not with others who rooted their devices anywhere. Even if Band 13 was able to be turned on within Qualcomm that doesn't mean that you would still be able to reach or use that band. There is more to using a band then being able to "turn it on" within Qualcomm.

Actually, it has no bearing on the OP6 at all, since Band 13 is not available whether rooted or not this is has been stated on numerous forums all over the place. You can not compare the 6 to the 6t at all, the 6t was redesigned to specifically work with both TMobile and Verizon for certification. They are different models for a reason.

These people constantly bringing this up on older models about Verizon are on a fools errand.

Jan 02, 2019 20:540 LikeReply

deangilvin

@taylorsagreatguy said:
I've tested MetroPCS, Cricket, and Verizon. All networks work on the OnePlus 5T if you root it, flash a custom kernel, and also enable support for band 13 using Qualcomm diagnostics software. It's a bit of a chore but it works. Download speeds of about 55mbps and an upload speeds around...

Sigh, we're discussing the 6 not any other models.

And how many people know how to root?????

And the 6t, came with support for 13 out of the box, plus already reported it will be certified by Verizon to work on their network.

So, the point of this entire posting of yours is to what end?

Jan 02, 2019 02:540 LikeReply

aenews

@deangilvin said:
Sigh, yes they have.... ..Once again, don't care I don't use their crappy networkEnjoy your Verizon service, tired already of your nonsensical novels ... Have a great life

Source?

I don't use Verizon. I use both T-Mobile and AT&T.

Oct 06, 2018 09:150 LikeReply

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