…what HE said X 2.

No the email sent distros says order as many CE’s as you desire. Just about every distro will order extra CE’s. This will be a tough call on them cause now they have to decide how many they wanna sit on.

Count me as a sucker but I always have been when it comes to pinball. People get off on all sorts of shit. Some hobbies are expensive this one included. I mean if you are into fly fishing you can spend up to 13k or more on just a stupid rod.

I don’t see how this is in conflict with what he said. They are still being built to order in this case. And the production run of CEs could end for good after distro’s make their initial orders.

Then again, if the game’s a hit there’s no reason to think JJP won’t make a “Dumbledore” edition in five years. Limited runs can’t be relied on anymore if you’re thinking they will protect value.

By making as many CE's as they can sell, it takes out the speculators and flippers. Brilliant!

It's not like the run won't take months to build. They'll be plenty of opportunity to order a CE after it's been revealed and played by potential buyers.

Anyone buying these things in the hopes of cashing in later are dumb. That ship has sailed along with the pandemic. It's not an investment, it's entertainment. If you can't afford to lose ALL the value out of it then you really can't afford the toy. But that's not how the younger generation sees it. To each their own.

I understand your point, but that being said....

I have never, ever sold a pinball machine for less than I paid for it. NEVER.

Then you haven't been in the hobby very long.

Sooooo, you don't buy NIB pins... there's easier ways to say that

The people who are being DUMB (since some want to go there) are the people who don’t seem to realize:

I don’t have to be ‘in it for a profit’ to care about how many of a game will (or could) be made. I can both buy games to enjoy (and knowing they will depreciate while I enjoy them) yet still want to make as much an educated decision as possible as to how MUCH I could lose over time. The price, theme, gameplay and NUMBERS PRODUCED (like it or not, folks!) all come into play here. Wanting to know what number a “Collector’s Edition” will have doesn’t suddenly make me a ‘flipper’ or ‘in it for the profit’.

Limiting CEs wouldn't have retained value because the number they likely would have made would have very likely exceeded demand, much like Stern is currently doing, thus making the term LE or CE or whatever irrelevant. This is a war on the used market, they don't want to lose a single cent they could've made and no longer value rarity. Is it smart? God no, but it's what they have decided to do.

Im kind of puzzled why you prefer scarcity vs a great game with great value?

I think it's great.

It's fine for consumers, I'm personally more than happy to buy used, it's just questionable as a long term business decision.

Looks like Shop of Games is downvoting being called out on taking NON-REFUNDABLE deposits. Keeping it classy never seemed so easy

Maybe this hobby does better without "Investors" Trying to make money on fellow pinball enthusiasts?

Anyone know what happened to Delt? He is usually the first person to complain about pinball prices.

Oh wait he posted earlier

My bad.

15 years. Make your own judgement.

Bought 1 NIB pin. Wonka SE in 2019. Just sold it for $8K. I get your point, but even THAT went up in value. Yes, the rest of mine were used pins. Opportunistic buys. Broken machines. Fixed them, played them, traded or sold for something worth more.

You can place entertainment value on your games and sell for less, I'm not saying you can't. But I won't.

I've been buying and selling arcade machines since 2006. Pinball since 2010. My hobby is self-funded by purchasing machines that need work and adding sweat equity and repairs. Sell to fund the next project. Keep and enjoy for a time.

My hobby can ill afford to lose money on a game because I don't put family money in it.

More than a 1000 ce’s?

Unless I missed it, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the biggest piece of news thus far to me.

David Thiel is doing the sound!

Love his work.

I think CEs are not limited at all, JJP will build what is bought more or less.

It would be cool if one of the versions (likely the LE and/or CE) has polished gold looking armor. That would compliment the Harry Potter logo well.

As many as are ordered.

I don't prefer scarcity at all. My philosophy is to make as many of a product as there is demand for. There will be some correction in value based on volume, like GnR. But by all means, buy a great machine if you want it.

I've made, lost and broke even many of times on all accounts. Mainly losing of late....

Guessing you have never sold a Uncanny X-men or Godfather CE? Iol

I think it's a good idea to sell unlimited of either model. I mean at the end of the day who really cares. JJP has been selling unlimited LE's for years. You just have to decide if it worth paying $2.5K for topper, CE trim, and any other upgrades?

A slow day today at work, so I'm sharing a little anecdote that might get me some downvotes from hardcore JJP fans

My wife has been a huge fan of Potter since the day the first movie came out. She has read and watched everything multiple times. She is not a pinhead and was against having pinball machines at home, but we have come to term and she enjoys our pin at home. And she occassionally comes with me to our local pinball parlor, so she's a casual player now.

You can imagine how excited she was when I told her a Harry Potter pinball machine is coming. The conversation went like this:

Her: "This is the only one I approve if you are planning to get a new one, and you have to get a premium".
Me: "Oh no, it's not a Stern. It's going to be JJP".
Her: "Huh? Which one is JJP?"
Me: "The one that made Toy Story, Godfather, Elton John, Avatar"
Her: "Sigh... nevermind, I'll just play it at the arcade when it comes out, we don't have to replace one of ours with it. It's probably just going to have blinks and dazzles but not much fun."
Me: "Well Elton is a great-shooting game, and Avatar is not bad"
Her: "yeah, but they don't play as fun as Stern machines"

I will update here if we end up getting it

How about offering a discount for early buyers? I realize this is complicated through the distributors, but if a discount is provided and extended via the distributors, they still get FOMO and the unlimited limited models. The collectors retain additional value, and JJP can sell them to exhaustion. Would that make everyone kinda happy? Maybe it's too much to ask, but I'd jump in early for a 1k discount. Otherwise, I'm going to wait for a while and put some plays on it first, maybe pick one up in 6 months to a year.

I personally like knowing they are limited when you pay 15k for it. It’s HP which is our favorite ip so it’s a must buy for my family anyways.

Not sure what you are getting at, the used market doesn't disappear in this scenario, it just gets stronger(more people buying used). Just like what has been happening. But as I said, it makes more sense to do this, not set a limit, than put a limit so high that it is never reached. Still won't prevent the mountain of unsold games at distributors, but is easier on the consumer's sense of being bullshitted.

Haha!! Wow.. u married well!! Its not like we intentionally dont enjoy JJP. Its like Oasis or Fleetwood Mac. Some people die for `em, I die if exposed to them. I’ll probably still get a CE, but if no limit- whats the rush?

Unlimited CE’s only works with a license this strong IMO. No need to create fomo when so many people will just buy the game regardless. I think it’s a good move.

Fake collectibility in pinball is dead anyway. We all know 1000 CE’s/LE’s isn’t collectible and does nothing to hold the resale value. May as well just make as many as people want in each trim.

Try looking at it from another angle. I’d love if they made 10,000 of these things. Excess supply means lower prices.

Imagine someone desiring artificial scarcity for a product they don’t even own yet. And then imagine that person calling OTHERS dumb.

Imagine someone not understanding supply and demand and the economics of ‘collectibility’. Also, my “calling OTHERS dumb” was in mocking response to a previous post. …try to keep up.

Well, looks like we can stop checking this thread for awhile until some new info drops. Have fun fighting with each other on a pinball forum.

Again, you don’t own this product yet. It would actually be in your interest for supply to greatly outpace demand.

David Thiel is a big deal.

I’m wondering, if there is no FOMO buying up front, will people just wait it out for lower prices later on 2ndary market and thus less games made?

But made to order should mean far less available to buy later at a discount.

Bought my EJCE up front. Doing same with HP

Would be interesting to know what kind of FOMO Zach was getting with CE being $17,000?

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Game Editions:
Three models will be available:
• Collector’s Edition
• Wizard Edition
• Arcade Edition

Deposits:
• Collector’s Edition – Requires a $2,500 non-refundable deposit per customer.
• Wizard Edition – Requires a $1,000 non-refundable deposit per customer.
• Arcade Edition – Requires a $1,000 non-refundable deposit per customer.

Collector’s Edition will be made-to-order to satisfy demand for this once-in-a-lifetime game. As requested, CE games will ship early in the production run.

Wizard Edition is the equivalent trim level of previous Limited Edition and Platinum Edition games.

Arcade Edition provides an entry level game for arcades and breweries.

Genuine question - aren’t you sick of losing all of that money from buying NIB? I see some guys make mistakes but you’re always losing. I would think you would want to stop losing money.

I get it if you’re holding on to these games and riding it out but you’re constantly buying NIB and selling basically brand new games - taking massive losses.

Trying to help out….. kind of feel bad for folks who are just getting pummeled in this current pinball market.

That's a standard body cabinet (if that is the cabinet). The shooter rod is definitely a photo. Heard it shoots great.

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Theory my friend floated. Since CE’s will be made to order - maybe you’re able to choose your house edition. Like you can order a Slytherin CE or a Gryffindor CE. Rarest will now be the Ravenclaw edition

Has anyone commented on why there is a room reflection on the shooter knob? Is it suppose to mean something or just a bad shot?

I assume that image is a render and that room you are seeing is whatever generic reflection map they used for the metal. I guess it could have been photographed and the camera photoshopped out.

I was honestly wondering where u been haven’t seen any posts from u in. A while

I did. Post 2076, the wall in Eric's office.

LTG : )

No need to buy early, everyone that wants one will get one there will be plenty to go around. I would at least wait and see what the game looks like and plays.

Have to be honest. I was in for a CE for 4 years now but I am beginning to rethink things. Maybe the open ended production of CE'S makes it a questionable purchase. If exclusivity isn't there, the Wow factor will have to be great to justify my purchase. Just saying.

All due respect...your wife is wrong. EJ is the most fun, most popular game in my house. And I've got some bangers.

Wasn’t LSOG the company that allowed you to put like $1 or $5 on a gamble of a dream theme of your choice, and if it ever came to fruition, you’d be at the front of the line?

Seems like this may be the first time people will be cashing in on their dice roll, whether it was LSOG that offered it, or someone else.