No one is taking any deposits. Dealers are not allowed to take any money/deposits until the game is revealed/shown. Jersey Jack Pinball is encouraging dealers to take preorders/lists, which is what everyone is doing. And because they are having an open CE and LE (Wizard Edition) build of games, we can confidently take preorders without any fear of overselling allocations, etc. Hope this makes sense. And yes, our harrypotterpinball.com website isn't the cleanest, but we have to work as fast as we can to get it up and we can modify it later. It's business and speed is important.

Flip N Out Pinball

No limit on CE’s…. Hahahahaha

This may end up a worse flop than Toy Story

Apparently no Spike 3 on Kong either

I’d be upset if I put a non refundable deposit down on a CE and it ended up looking like the GN’R CE, comparing that art to the GN’R LE, which most prefer the art on. I understand your point though.

Pretty sure ZMeny is legendary among distributors. Getting that website up will probably be proven to be such a savvy move.

I'm sure we will know just about everything before the end of this month.

Curious to see how it all shakes out.

Not sure where you heard that but that was not what I was told.

Guess will see!

Well JJP better hurry because Kong might be teased later this week and fully released next week

I like how all of a sudden it is a big race like there was no telling it was Harry Potter until an hour ago.

Cripes...

Agree

With that media day at Stern on the 17th I would expect to see at least a teaser by the end of the week.

Until he gets a c & d from the license holders for using their trademarked ip in the domain

I get that you are a distributor... but others have been taking deposits for months.

That's not what Knapp is reporting....

https://www.knapparcade.org/post/jersey-jack-pinball-tells-dealers-to-start-taking-deposits-for-harry-potter

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One thing.. I wonder how many parts they already have in house? Meaning... the tariffs apply to things being imported into the USA once the tariff has been levied.

I get that a lot of manufacturers apply the tariff to current stock, since that allows them to cover replacement costs (that is why gas stations immediately jump the price of gas when oil goes up), but maybe that explains the range?

Oh boy!

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Just remember it's only a pinball machine, was always only a pinball machine, and will only ever be a pinball machine and you'll be happy, I'm sure.

That’s unfortunate and against the dealer terms.

I can only report what Jersey Jack Pinball is officially telling and enforcing upon dealers.

Understood. I was just pointing this out as to why everyone is talking about deposits being taken.

Not having to deal with a non-refundable deposit is just another reason to go with Flip N Out Pinball

Kind of disappointing at this point, if JJP doesn’t embrace this terrible way of releasing info.
Should release a potato cam video of Jack eating breakfast and just casually saying the prices and more specific details of the game!

They're saying no price increase tho

I'm sorry but why would ANYBODY put down a deposit on a game where nothing is known about it except its name? Not even a price!?! Might end up the greatest game ever made. Might end up a turd.

Oh, don’t we think that they have the worst service of the industry and their playfields are junk, they disappeared before your eyes! So if you feel comfortable going into a game because of that, then good luck!

I hope it's great for those that want it !

LTG : )

Wall in Eric's office.

LTG : )

You’re asking for logic from pinball buyers. Does not apply

I have no problem with JJP running unlimited CEs. Let those that want the best pay for the best. There are always those buyers. More power to them.

And nice to see Flip’n’out doing things the right way even if others don’t. That kind of thing always pays dividends down the line.

Hopefully they include this movie clip into the final Wizard mode

If true, open orders for CEs could have the opposite effect with sales volume, like MMr RE, which was a run of a few hundred. Many of us on the list for CEs may decide to hold off for a cheaper huo later, and in turn create the opposite effect, a smaller run with a higher value in the aftermarket. It is definitely a disincentive to buy such an expensive machine right away.

Never understood why anyone would care about how many of each editons are made, if that's the version you want with the stupid topper then buy it. Who cares how many other people have it?

I'm pleasantly suprised that all 3 versions with have the same mechs and gameplay, the Stern stripped down Pro model is my least favorite thing about pinball.

To me it all comes down to the differences between the LE and CE that is up and above a number on some plaque. What is the difference in the Artwork? Rails? Gameplay? Toys? Modes? Topper?

Personally don't care about resale or scarcity as much. Obviously don't want the investment tanking after buying, but to some degree when you buy NIB you are at risk of that anyway. Not if, just how much you lose as it is dropped off at your house. The days of NIB appreciating I think are long gone and if you buy a machine with that in mind, you are likely fooling yourself.

Buy it because you plan to play it and hopefully love it and keep it forever!

Peace all and very excited to see what JJP does with this release...

Lower build counts for LE and CE type games help increase collectability and as a result help with resale value.

I’m not buying a $15k pinball machine if the build counts are over 1,000. Part of what we are paying for this these higher priced editions is supposed to be rarity.

It'll be hilarious if/when Jersey Jack puts a demo HP machine in the new Harry Potter store, downtown Chicago -right in Stern's backyard.

I’m quite sure Stern wouldn’t care. At all.

Yes, the tanking value after buying was my point, for those of us that rotate games periodically. It is just a volume thing, fewer (good) games manufactured keep value better. I'm all for everyone that wants one having a game, but am more cautious now with how I spend my money in the hobby. If it is great, there will always be demand for it.

I don’t view pinball machines as a financial investment. It’s an amusement machine. I bought my JJP GN’R LE after playing an SE because it’s beautiful, sounds amazing, and most importantly, I love how it plays too. I bought it used, and have tastefully (my opinion) modded it to a point I could never get all my money back, and that’s ok! Same with many collectible cars. Enjoy them!
The availability of different versions is nice in that it gives people options. But as far as the labels themselves, “collector’s” and “limited” edition, etc. That is all marketing. I’m not sure on other JJP machines, but for Guns, they made 130 standard editions (ironically), 500 collector’s editions and 5000 limited editions (ironically).

I have never, ever purchased a pinball machine as a financial investment. NEVER

They would not give a single F. JJP is already in Stern's back yard. They both use the same test locations. Employees from both companies are friends. Theres no bitter rivalry there other than standard business practice. Jfc

Same, its nice that they mostly hold their value or hold most of their value (depending). It means that while these are expensive toys, you can sell and recoup your monies in the future should you need to. In the meantime, you get to play the damn things and have a blast. By no means an investment thats for damn sure. I think the COVID years maybe convinced some people otherwise.

I just look at owning pins like how car guys own cars. Need space and disposable income. Might lose money along the way, might make a little here or there but you're into cars b/c you're a car guy/gal, and likewise for pinball.

Do we have any others that would like to step up to the plate?

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Title, theme, artwork, playfield, cabinet, lighting, etc I think will be all good. Only thing I am little concerned is game play, since Eric is the game designer. I did not like GNR or GF. I may need to see the game play before buying. I did put my name on the reserved list but really need to see how it plays. If game is not my liking, I may just buy the arcade version since I would probably like everything else or buy used one later.

So… when do we think we’ll get to see this thing?

Yep.

It's an unfortunate reality for me too. It's also worrisome if the prices are $10K/$12K/$15K. Isn't the license supposed to be extra expensive for Harry Potter? Same MSRPs as previous machines and a cheaper Standard could mean this playfield is going to be gutted, pair that with a Meunier design and this will be the theme that causes Jersey Jack to do a company restructuring.

For the record, there’s no way in hell I’d put down a non refundable deposit before seeing a game. And yeah, I prefer the gnr le art over the CE as well . Would really suck to do a non refundable deposit on a game sight unseen and then a game like stern SW is what’s revealed

And PS - my distro is refusing deposits at this time, and says others shouldn't be taking them, either. But whatever. I'm getting one.

And at today's prices, I think we're all suckers no matter what machine we're buying. So I'll just enjoy it, have fun, and try not to think about the child I sold to Science to pay for the game.

And I'm sorry I screwed up editing my post and quoted myself. How embarrassing.

JJP LE's have never been LE's....... but the CE's are unlimited now? How is that a "collectors edition"?

They should have partnered with McDonald's or Burger King and included a "collector's cup" to go along with it. You know, real collector's items.

The prices are known... 10k/12k/15k for the Arcade, LE and CE... I mean, seeing Elton John and Avatar recently, do you REALLY thing Harry Potter from JJP will be a turd? Zero chance.

lol Does anyone read? They are going to take preorders, make specifically that number of them when its closed, and then never again... So, basically after production, CEs will be sold out and unavailable... As opposed to accidentally having leftovers in stock, making them "not rare", etc... This actually WILL be a limit in CEs. It could end up smaller than the usual number is.

why? b/c it's something called a collector and in a niche hobby, you need them. At least a successful nice hobby whereby value is maintained.

This move is dumb and kills the collector market which in turn, causes more supply than demand and that turns pricing south.

It's just simple economics. I'm out on NIB, dropped from my CE list today b/c what's the point - save thousands later since all are unlimited. I just hope JJP loads it up.