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hanlerry |
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Mar 21, 2016 4:05pm |
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general
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What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
I made an account to say that I genuinely cannot figure out how to use this site at all anymore. Is there still a legitimate archive of easily searchable public domain images? Can I even just browse images that are definitely public domain?
Is there even a way to browse, say, images of a certain category from a certain year? For example, public domain images of people on a farm from the 1930s? Or even browse image types by oldest archived image first? Do people just simply not use this site like this any more?
This new beta version of the site is like an endless scrolling, disorganized, clusterfuck of memes and weird images of questionable copyright status. Also, it generally just seems to slide around and snap back and move in weird ways?? I'm accessing it on a pretty decent computer with very fast internet access as well.
I'm well versed in academic research and using databases, heck, I do it for a living, but geez this site is an absolute mess. I'm so confused. My head hurts.
What happened???????
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Jeff Kaplan |
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Mar 21, 2016 9:00pm |
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
if you do an A/B test with the old and the new search you'll see that while different they are getting mostly the same relevantresults with the new search getting more in many cases. e.g.:
search: farm from the 1930
old search (put up bu a user) gets 80 results:
http://balbach.net/cgi-bin/iacs.awk?query=farm%20from%20the%201930new search gets 98:
https://archive.org/search.php?query=farm%20from%20the%201930now since they are in various mediatypes but you're looking for books/images how would you do that with the old search? with the new you just click "texts" on the right side (as you can see there are no images in this particular result) and now you'll see 38 texts. that was not possible in the old search. now you can also sort them by other fields such as title, author, date published etc. that also was not possible in the old search.
there are some things about the old search that some find better and some of those aspects may come around in future iterations. but for now i'd say if you get a little more comfortable you'll find that for a researcher the facets and sorting in the new search make discovery and refinement much easier.
also, on the left side of the sort is a choice of list view or tile view. you might prefer list view if text is all you want.
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pegzmasta |
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Mar 22, 2016 7:25am |
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
> if you do an A/B test with the old and the new search you'll see that while different
> they are getting mostly the same relevant results with the new search getting more in many cases…
I'm sorry, but I have to address this!
I clicked on both of your links above in order to see if the new search interface would indeed generate "
more in many cases" (I can't help it… I'm curious).
In terms of generating more results: It didn't, and shouldn't, since they use the same
API (stbalbach will be able to explain it better, since he wrote the alternative classic interface).
Attached are two pictures (
A is the classic version;
B is the new version) that shows both of the links that I clicked on from your post. I made sure to highlight the total amount of results before I
screenshot it, so that it would be easier to notice.
While there may be some extra inclusions in the new interface (which may even be added to the classic version in the near future, as well): The results indicated near the "
RESULTS" micro-label prove that the results are
exactly the same; there is no difference in that respect.
Last thing: The reason why certain things were "
not possible" in the
Classic Interface, has nothing to do with the interface itself. Certain things were not possible (at the time), because they were
purposely left out of the
Classic Interface (the old interface can implement those features; we simply need programmers who are willing to add them in). Instead of adding those features in both interfaces, a decision was made to only add them into the
Beta (v2) interface; reading through the
ChangeLog and all of the threads that I've identified in my initial post explains all of this.
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-22 14:25:29
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Poster:
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Jeff Kaplan |
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Mar 22, 2016 9:09am |
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
sorry but the new ui gets 98. see my attached screen shot. the reason is the under the hood they see the same results because the use the same API but the new ui exposes more of the results such as images and collections
split hairs all you want. some people are saying that classic was better. by your own description you would have to conclude that no it's not. it exposes results as you say plus offers more options then unless you dont want sort options it is at worst equal and at most better.
the issue would appear to be more resistance to change, even if it is and improvement. and as is said the ui is expected to be improved.
This post was modified by Jeff Kaplan on 2016-03-22 16:09:13
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Poster:
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pegzmasta |
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Mar 22, 2016 11:18am |
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
I understand everything that you are saying.
I personally like
Beta (v2) and have grown accustomed to it (it may take a while for the
remaining users to adapt, as well), and I hope that one day the features that made the
Classic Interface so well loved will be restored. I believe that the
Classic Interface does deserve some merit, though, for it's simplicity and efficiency. A post by the lead programmer identifies that only 35% of all users use the
Internet Archive on mobile devices. That means that 65% of all users probably use normal computers when searching through
IA, which makes sense, since it is simply more effective to do scholarly research on computers rather than a mobile device. Can anyone imagine someone attempting to do scholarly research from a "smart" phone?
While we now have
Beta (v2) which caters to mobile users of
IA more effectively, I'm sure that users will agree that it is also important to maintain the
Classic Interface in order to cater to the
larger 65% of users who simply wish to use an effective interface without the over-embellished theme. Many users will find it strange that the
Internet Archive (which is essentially a virtual library) maintains an interface that looks like
Pinterest. Isn't it sad that anyone can execute a command like "
lynx -dump http://archive.org/CHANGELOG.txt | grep 'pinterest'", and
actually receive output?
What's important to note is that the improvements are under way, but at the end of the day: It would help if there was more visibility on which improvements are coming, and if users could comment on them
before they are actually implemented. Maybe even creating a test page of one specific feature including a comments section, would reveal to you how useful any type of functionality would be (users could rate a feature, and maybe even contribute code or ideas like with an official
ARC in this theoretical setup). Right now, we don't have anything like that; it would certainly help.
> the issue would appear to be more resistance to change, even if it is an improvement.
That is not exactly the issue
per se. Yes, the interface has changed. Yes, it just may be an improvement over the other. That doesn't change the fact that at one point, both interfaces could be accessed and used on the same
Archive.org website in parallel. One interface was dropped and removed entirely in favour of the other, but it is in the Archive's best interest to save every version of the software that they use (this is in the spirit of
software freedom; this is
what it means to archive). For instance, the old version could have been stored in the Archives
Github Portal as a repository. It is normal for
Free Software projects to provide users access to every release of their software.
For instance, the
ia-bin-tools that the Archive uses relies on
GNU Make. Did you know that the developers of
GNU Make provide users with access to every release of their software on the
GNU FTP Server?
I know you may think that I am splitting hairs, but I am not. These distinctions have merit, and are not petty. My main concerns, however, lies with the fact that
97% of forum links do not link to forums. The post about
the forum problem can be fact-checked by any user; find where I am splitting hairs there; find where I am wrong there.
Anyway, what I really wanted to ask in this particular post is: How did you get
98 results from a link that provides only
80 results? Is this a modified version of the
Beta (v2) search engine? If so, attach the HTML page to this thread so that we can see what the
extra 18 items are (normal users like myself only see
80 results). We can throw images at each other all day, but attaching an HTML page will identify where the
extra 18 results are coming from.
I've attached an HTML page of the results that I see when I clicked on your link to the query on the
Beta (v2) interface. Your
screenshot indicates that you have
18 more audio results than I do… why?
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-22 18:18:10
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Poster:
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Dupenhagen Moonbat |
Date:
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Mar 23, 2016 8:37pm |
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general
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
"The *remaining* user
s?" Who's the other guy, pegz?
This post was modified by Dupenhagen Moonbat on 2016-03-24 03:37:20
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Poster:
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pegzmasta |
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Mar 22, 2016 7:03pm |
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general
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
Ah, you've noticed my
italics. I'm not sure how many users have left; currently there are
2,586,907 registered on the Archive (which is
7,428 more users from the last time I checked). The Archive statistics may have a bug, though, as I've indicated in my previous posts; thus, there's no way for me to know how accurate those numbers actually are.
The activity on the Archive may have gone down since the
15th, but I don't have time to verify those stats at the moment. Since Jeff hasn't shown me his work on how he got
98 as a result in his above post, I can only conclude that it was altered in an attempt to try to prove that I was wrong about the
2 interfaces. Anyone can click on the links in his post in order to verify this, though; I see
80 results– how many do you see?
80 results?
98 results? Not every question has a definitive answer, but this one does!
Not sure how many users are interested in the forum problem and with beta, since not many users reply to these threads (it would be nice, though, since everyone's feedback counts).
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-23 02:03:02
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Poster:
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Dupenhagen Moonbat |
Date:
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Mar 23, 2016 8:34pm |
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Forum:
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general
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
"... since everyone's feedback counts"
If this were true, the beta would've been scrapped long ago.
It *will* be scrapped when the mobile fad dies in a few years. (You read it here first). Meanwhile, long time contributors to and users of the Archive hold nose and wait.
Btw, I'm interested in that
magic command that fixes all things forums. What is it?
This post was modified by Dupenhagen Moonbat on 2016-03-24 03:34:33
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Poster:
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pegzmasta |
Date:
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Mar 23, 2016 1:51pm |
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general
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
What I meant about the feedback, is that if we all posted our feedback into the forums (where everyone can see them) instead of inside of the
Exit JavaScript Feedback Form (whose comments have not been published, and may be lost even though we're using an archive…
The Archive), then we could've seen how many people were truly using
Beta (v2) vs. the
Classic Interface. We have stats, but we don't have the comments the users actually typed in order to generate those stats.
> Btw, I'm interested in that
magic command that fixes all things forums. What is it?
Awesome!
You managed to find that post (I was hoping someone would notice). I have the command for you; took about an hour for me to figure out how to do it today. Since the error is simple, the fix is simple. The forum links can be fixed in
2–
6 seconds.
If we were to factor in that it would take about
1 minute for the "Archive.org" webmaster's to commit this change; about
30 seconds to write a description of the change to be sent into the "
ChangeLog"; and finally, about
30 minutes for the change to go live throughout all of the servers for
IA…
this fix would've taken approximately 1 hour, 31 minutes, and 36 seconds in order for it to have been applied to the main site–
give or take.
In essence, it is so easy to fix the forums, that there is no reason not to; plus, it only makes sense that links should point to the proper destination and should help users save time, as well
:-)
Anyway, I've attached a script that users can run (the commands within are standard commands and should not require software outside of
GNU). It will execute on
GNU Bash; thus, it works on any operating system that has the
GNU Core Utilities installed (e.g.
GNU/Linux). If you don't have
GNU/Linux and wish to use the command on "
Windows" or "
Mac OS X", then you'll need to sprinkle some
*freedom* into them so that the attached bash script, "
fix-ia-forums.bash", will work (I'll provide links and a "
HOWTO" if anyone asks).
Last thing: I just came up with this today, so I haven't implemented the "
Most recent posts" link, yet. Do realize that this command will create a local file (plus the original "
archive.css") for you– it doesn't exist online. This solution is simply a quick
hack that you can store in your file system; the forums are alphabetized, and every time you run the command all numbers will be updated (e.g. number of posts, most recent post).
You must be connected to the internet in order for the command to work!
I've also attached the result I received after I ran the bash script. The "
css" file will not go into effect if you click the attached file (plus, certain links in the attached file like
`General Website Discussion' won't appear in my attached file); thus, download all files into the same directory instead, and try it out! The "
html" file is meant for download and opening from your filesystem with any browser of choice. If the forum problem isn't solved soon, then I shall post working links elsewhere on the internet for us to use.
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-23 20:51:54
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Poster:
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Dupenhagen Moonbat |
Date:
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Mar 24, 2016 3:45pm |
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Forum:
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general
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
fixed-forums-page.html is awesome work, man. Bookmarked.
It is interesting how "web/hardware.php" and "iathreads/forum-display.php" both bring up the Wayback Machine Forum. It's obvious that the system is too convoluted for the data gnomes to work -- and fortunately for us (the end users) -- to wreck (completely).
This post was modified by Dupenhagen Moonbat on 2016-03-24 22:45:25
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Poster:
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pegzmasta |
Date:
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Mar 24, 2016 4:13pm |
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general
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
Thanks! That page is static and I won't update it from it's current location, since it will require me to delete the post and then re-post the post and attach the HTML page again. The Archive has a bug (the error page for it admits that it's a bug), where you can't alter a file attached to a post. If you want an updated version of "
fixed-forums-page.html", then you would have to run the command "
fix-ia-forums.bash" locally (or automate it via a
.bashrc file).
The cool thing about running the script locally, is that it will update the most recent posts, and the total number of posts for each forum. Not only that, the script will also detect any new forums, add them into the HTML table, and will even correct the link if it is pointing to the wrong URL. Like I said before, though: This is just a quick
hack, a more comprehensive solution will be posted online somewhere (or maybe even within
IA itself as an official uploaded item) by either garthus, stbalbach, myself, or anyone else whose figured it out. For now, I can say with certainty that every link in that page (except for the "censored" ones) points to the proper destination– even the
Wayback Machine Forum, which currently has
NO links pointing to it from the Archive… except for my link
:-)
I'll be keeping everyone updated through the forums (provided they don't break any further) on any updates or if a complete solution is found for said forums. I'm not an expert with HTML, but solving this type of problem is not
Rocket Science. Hopefully, the admins or Archivists will beat me to the punch, but if they don't:
The problem will be solved either way.
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-24 23:13:09
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Poster:
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pegzmasta |
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Mar 24, 2016 7:09pm |
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general
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Re: What happened to the creator of the Internet Archive? |
Automatically bookmarked for nostalgia, and maybe future inspiration.
Excellent move,
PD! I grabbed the torrent for this just now. Love the description:
good archive. One of the things I missed were those soothing and calm colors, now all we get is black and white…
prison colors? We can't really have
Universal access to all knowledge if we lose an artifact like this. Perhaps the future
INFOPORTAL might replicate some of the look and feel of this elusive item.
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-25 02:09:28
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Poster:
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Dupenhagen Moonbat |
Date:
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Apr 5, 2016 6:35pm |
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general
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Careful What Goes in the Hamper |
Lest it be lost in the hubbub (of my own desultory interests), I really
am interested in the howto
*: "Anyway, I've attached a script that users can run (the commands within are standard commands and should not require software outside of GNU). It will execute on GNU Bash; thus, it works on any operating system that has the GNU Core Utilities installed (e.g. GNU/Linux). If you don't have GNU/Linux and wish to use the command on "Windows" or "Mac OS X", then you'll need to sprinkle some *freedom* into them so that the attached bash script, "fix-ia-forums.bash", will work (I'll provide links and a "HOWTO" if anyone asks)."
*only insofar as the howto doesn't hamper progress on the Classic Internet Archive plugin
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pegzmasta |
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Apr 5, 2016 7:24pm |
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general
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Re: Careful What Goes in the Hamper |
Ahh, I did promise I would provide a "
HOWTO"!
I can't provide an
official "
HOWTO", since I do not use "Windows" or "Mac OS X." You may conduct some further reading via the following links:
The third link above is my "
HOWTO" for Windows, which may not work for you since I've never tested it step-by-step (I don't have Windows, anymore). You could provide an amazing service to me by attempting to work through my online instructions in an attempt to install
GNU in Windows, and letting me know how it works for you!
GNU comprises of thousands of
Free Software programs in a growing body of work that is a part of the
GNU Project– the original
Free Software project created and specifically designed to provide users with a free/libre operating system. If the third link appears too complicated, then I would work through the first two links. If you were using "Mac OS X", then I would direct you to this part of my website (installing
GNU on a Mac is several times easier than doing so on "Windows", unfortunately):
I put a little
too much ethics into the website, because I created it at a time when I became increasingly frustrated with some
nonfree software that I encountered on the web; thus, I created a free/libre solution (still in the works, though). If the "
nongnu" (
Free Software, but not
GNU yet) website works well for you, whatever difficulty that you have or suggestions that help you to install
GNU will allow me to make my website's "
HOWTO" more accurate. If it becomes too difficult, I'll look for more resources (I know there's a way to do it, and I'll see if it can be done).
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-04-06 02:24:54
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Poster:
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Dupenhagen Moonbat |
Date:
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Apr 5, 2016 3:48pm |
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general
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Howto |
As I mentioned in another post, kudos for the Greasemonkey and Linx Amender scripts, worked well, thanks!
I've a problem, however. According to Google Chrome folks, their browser can purportedly make use of Linx Amender without need of Greasemonkey, but thus far I've had no success actually making that work. It's nothing more than an idle curiosity in any case, and what I'd really like to know is how to apply your GNU methods above using Windows, so that I can use Google Chrome after all, by skinning the cat another way.
A great many of us anxiously await your Classic Internet Archive plugin, as one (or two, counting PDpolice) speak up (of late) indicating therefore thousands. It's like the old saw in (heavyweight market) talk radio that one caller's voicing any given opinion speaks for many. We (the Archive community) are watching (not just the Classic drama, but Forums as well) -- in my case, as both a participant and a spectator -- The champion is slowly rising from the canvas, dazed and dizzy, stunned into realizing he's in a fight for his heavyweight boxing life, "... Five! Six! Seven!" You're witnessing a rare moment, folks, one in which a long time champion suddenly faces the possibility of the demise of his career, as a younger, stronger, hungrier challenger walks him down, embarrassing him into performing.
This post was modified by Dupenhagen Moonbat on 2016-04-05 22:48:16
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Poster:
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pegzmasta |
Date:
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Apr 5, 2016 4:51pm |
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general
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Re: Howto |
Google should have just adopted
Greasemonkey (since it is
Free Software), so that users could freely engage in
augmented web browsing; instead, the official alternative is
nonfree (makes sense, since Chrome is also
nonfree). I had a link in my original
Greasemonkey post, but you had to dig for it in order to find it. Here it is:
Cross-browser user scripting (for Chrome).
The solution for Chrome users would be to use
Tampermonkey, but I am against it since the
EULA for Tampermonkey restricts users (personal use only; non-commercial). The only reason for implementing an
EULA or any other kind of
Proprietary Information Agreement on software, is to restrict users. Since I am against the practice of taking away the users freedom through software: I can't
personally recommend this solution to you (or anyone else). Not only that, but they also update their script manager several times in ways that can break perfectly working user scripts like
Lynx Amender. Even "
tampermonkey.net" admits that a majority of all user scripts online are designed primarily for
Greasemonkey:
A lot of userscripts are written for the Firefox userscript manager called Greasemonkey, that's why Tampermonkey offers a compatibility layer and tries to detect the necessary settings automatically.
It makes sense for a script manager to be
Free Software, since it is in the very nature of a user script to give you extra freedom on the web– ethically speaking,
Tampermonkey does
NOT make sense (let's give users freedom via a
nonfree program…
does not compute).
Greasemonkey is the preferred solution since it is
Free Software that manages
Free Software user scripts via a
Free Software web browser (Firefox has recently become
nonfree, but there exists
free/libre versions of it:
GNU IceCat). I repeat this, because
freedom is very important when it comes to computing, and I am finding it increasingly common for people to keep users out of the equation–
I do not like this.
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-04-05 23:51:17
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Poster:
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Dupenhagen Moonbat |
Date:
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Mar 24, 2016 3:08pm |
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general
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
PDp, thanks for the input, every bit helps -- and "coked-up disco" is near the top of the Odessa Goodwyn list.
This post was modified by Dupenhagen Moonbat on 2016-03-24 22:08:41
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Poster:
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pegzmasta |
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Mar 23, 2016 4:57pm |
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Forum:
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general
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
It's good that you have these links saved (not everyone can find the "
Most recent posts" link).
Maybe if the Archive is not willing to fix their own links, then I'll ask and see if garthus (or anyone else whose interested) can help out. Ignoring the visual aspect of things: We know it's easy to turn
the forums page with 3% of working links into a forums page with 100% of working links (some are censored due to content). Obviously fixing the forum problem requires more than just that kind of fix, but it should at least
start with that kind of fix.
The next step would be to make specific links easier to find. Perhaps including the "
Most recent posts" link throughout all forums would allow users to maintain an abstract visibility on the overall conversations in the community, whilst still maintaining focus in there specific forum. Another thing that I think is important is to allow users to comment on how the Archive's interface or features currently function for them on their browser, and allowing them to rate certain features, and to even contribute code and ideas if they want to improve something.
Maybe the admins or Achivists believe it's
far-fetched to report bugs when they are spotted, but how can a bug be fixed if we don't identify it first? Maybe they think that it's only good enough to have links bring you
close to your destination, rather than directly to your destination. What about new users? If a link does not point to the right spot, won't new users have a hard time navigating this site? Isn't it lazy to think: "Oh, they'll figure it out eventually; we've got a button on that page– they just need to find it and click on it." Some may say that I am splitting hairs, but I'm not just thinking about myself: I'm thinking about new users, as well as the
larger 65% of computer users, and of course researchers who themselves say this website is in dire need of improvement (these users we simply can't afford to drive away, for they are our greatest potential contributors).
I know you already know all of this
PD, but I'm wondering how new users will react when they understand the sorry state of things here. Hopefully, garthus will have us an alternate
INFOPORTAL soon; the lack of feedback is too disappointing for such a great website. It seems like Jeff is doing all of this by himself. I wish another admin or Archivist would chime in, and enlighten us on where the Archive is going with all these so called "
improvements"; better yet, the programmers who are implementing said features should be helping out– they are in the best position for fixing the forum problem.
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-23 23:57:52
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Poster:
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pegzmasta |
Date:
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Mar 21, 2016 7:32pm |
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general
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
> What happened???????
This happened:
After reading through the above posts, I believe you should now be up to speed. Still wondering why we're using beta? Here's a follow up on that:
Why the Beta version? User's used to be able to use the
Beta Exit JavaScript button/script in order to leave
Beta (v2); however, that is no longer possible. Other users have asked: "
How to return to old interface?," without realizing that as of
March 15, 2016 that it is no longer possible.
Several users of the
Internet Archive are curious and have even pondered if there even exists…
A Better Archive? Nothing can really replace the Archive as we know it, and there is no need to do so since they believe in
software freedom (which you can't say for many websites); thus, some users have created an alternate interface in the spirit of the simplicity and efficiency of the
Classic Interface…
Announce: Classic Search website.
This alternate interface has moved to a new web portal in terms of where the source code is hosted– try out the
Internet Archive Classic Search. This search may become part of a resurrected
Classic Interface soon!
> Is there still a legitimate archive of easily searchable public domain images?
This is explained in the
FAQ; however, I know it can be tricky, so here it is:
image images 9,694
Click on the "
Show thumbnails" button (
) on the "
SORT BY" bar in order to see thumbnails.
> Can I even just browse images that are definitely public domain?
The link I provided above should do the trick! I used the "
licenseurl" query in order to ensure that only public domain images would show (there exist
1,124,445 images total without this filter). All of these images were dedicated into the public domain, and should come with an official seal to prove it– like this:
If you have more questions about how to search the
Internet Archive, then please take a look at this thread (it's big, but very informative):
The Internet Archive doesn't know how to archive its own forums
Oh, and to address your feedback about
Infinite Scroll: The lead programmer plans on
improving this type of scroll–
NOT removing this type of scroll. If you read the
ChangeLog for the
Archive.org website, you may notice that the lead programmer considers
Infinite Scroll to be a "
feature." She likes it… if you don't like it (several others don't like it, as well; you're not alone in this), then use the
Internet Archive Classic Search.
I'm not sure anymore if the Archive welcomes my feedback (or others, for that matter), but– as always:
I welcome your feedback,
Michael Pagan
E-Mail: mailto:michael.pagan@member.fsf.org
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-22 02:32:36
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Dupenhagen Moonbat |
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Mar 24, 2016 12:13pm |
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general
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
Of a sudden the Archive doesn't recognize the "i" (italics) HTML tags (thereby rendering your post[s] wreck[s]). Well, not exactly "of a sudden." HTML is another of the on again, off again casualties of this stillborn interface. Let's be honest. It's a disgrace.
This post was modified by Dupenhagen Moonbat on 2016-03-24 19:13:31
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pegzmasta |
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Mar 24, 2016 8:55am |
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I did notice that you put
italics in your post; they're not there anymore (replaced by asterisks instead). I wonder how this post will render my
italics… curious.
EDIT:
Works for me… are you
trolling?
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-24 15:55:37
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Dupenhagen Moonbat |
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Mar 24, 2016 2:36pm |
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I'm not trolling, but reporting what I observe. Last evening there were blank spaces wherever the HTML "i" tags were in use. Two words come to mind to describe an interface plagued with such behavior: unreliable and unstable. I won't defile more impolite words by applying them to this stillborn interface.
This post was modified by Dupenhagen Moonbat on 2016-03-24 21:36:09
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pegzmasta |
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Mar 24, 2016 2:19pm |
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That is strange? I don't know whether that is a bug with
IA's interface or your browser, but it certainly shouldn't be happening (didn't think something like that could happen). Well, after learning that
97% of forum links do not link to forums, this doesn't really surprise me too much.
You've tried
<i>italics
</i>, but have you tried
<em>emphasized
</em>, yet? Maybe this will work out better for you; it does the same job of
italics. Also, if the problem persists, then report back what kind of browser you are using (maybe other users have experienced the same problem, or it affects only certain users but they haven't tried using
italics yet).
In any case, I want to compile a list of all the errors, strange functionality, and things like this
on the
Internet Archive, so that I can send a possible fix to garthus or stbalbach (or maybe they already have an idea for said fixes). If the admins or Archivists were interested in helping out in this respect, than they would've replied when I posted the following (I posted something like this at least
2 other times… no response, of course):
Another thing that I think is important is to allow users to comment on how the Archive's interface or features currently function for them on their browser, and allowing them to rate certain features, and to even contribute code and ideas if they want to improve something.
This post was modified by pegzmasta on 2016-03-24 21:19:50
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Dupenhagen Moonbat |
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Mar 24, 2016 2:40pm |
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Re: What happened to the actual Internet Archive? |
It was also possible that the window of opportunity for you to observe the lapse for yourself was short lived. I seriously doubt it's a bug in Google Chrome, which is by far the most stable and reliable browser, but I've been known to be wrong. In any case, I stand by my contention that the "new" interface is stillborn.
