I'm usually not involved with forums (or even talking to other people at all) on Tv Tropes, but Yeesh. Given how many users have been openly against AI in ATT queries regarding it, and the objectively bad impacts AI has on the real world, I'm more than a little shocked the fellas in charged deemed that to be a good feature.

If that's what you guys wanted, then go crazy. But it ain't something I'm interested in supporting. Meaning i cant, in good faith, be on this site anymore.

Ciao, tropers.

Edited by cubeGET on Mar 19th 2025 at 4:07:49 AM

If it's different from the already-existing story generator, my suggestion would be to just, re-implement the old one in place of the AI, because that's old and long-established technology and not saddled with controversy. If that's already what it is... then just take the AI buzzword off??? Just keep calling it the story generator like it always was.

Not using the app and don't have plans to because I'm never on mobile anyway so it's pointless but I'll point out that the current website story generator is super broken and kind of completely useless because of a few bugs, so if the AI one does get replaced with it down the line, it would need to be fixed first. also please fix it I'm begging

As for the "does the AI use my specific writing" issue, I'm kind of neutral in the whole AI debate but I'd like to point out that there's not really a way to exclude the content of certain users from the AI if that's what it's being fed. I mean, that's the nature of the beast that is a wiki: Unless the staff designates hours to figuring out who made what specific content, anything goes. Because over the course of millions of edits and decades of existence, it's just not really feasible to expect some "op-out" process. Also it begs the question of what counts as "your" content — original writing? Stuff you edited? Stuff you put back / crosswicked?

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 19th 2025 at 4:10:23 AM

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>We'll remove AI in the next version

Who wants it in *this* version? I thought the idea of having an app was fairly neat, nothing groundbreaking, but this is just abysmal. I cannot believe the dinky little nerd fansite is pulling the same needless hype train tactics as social medias and search engines. I'm out.

Thats not what the owner said. He said if no one ends up finding it useful we will remove it. Because of course if no one really uses it we'll remove it, its not serving its purpose. But as we saw with the addition of video examples, a ton of users loved it and uploaded tens of thousands of videos and we got millions of views despite the backlash.

Edited by kory on Mar 19th 2025 at 1:12:45 AM

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The video tab didn't use a currently environmentally horrible sponge of user data to spit out a single response.

Wouldn't touch it with yours, mate

respectfully i don't think video examples and an ai-powered story generator can be compared just bc they both had backlash, those are two very different things that i'd assume were (initially in the videos' case) unpopular for very different reasons

Edited by Bruhmpex on Mar 19th 2025 at 1:17:31 AM

My point is that it all depends on if they are used because thats why we kept the videos. if no one ended up using the video examples we would've also removed them. We don't care why people don't like it. We only care if people use it.

Edited by kory on Mar 19th 2025 at 1:19:21 AM

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>we dont care why people dont like it

We can tell. You wanted a response, and the reasons why we don't want it, and it all seems pretty unanimous to me, but I'm guessing for whatever reason the chatgpt button is going to stay anyway.

Edited by WinningPony on Mar 19th 2025 at 1:21:10 AM

At least tell us the AI model you're using and the current carbon footprint of other uses of it.

A noisy minority don't represent the general userbase.

Happy users are quiet users - people are much more likely to speak up with complaints than praise. The usage of the feature is the praise.

It's an interesting feature but crude in how it just clobbers the tropes together with a few randomly generated words.

Life is more fun with infinite MP.

Regardless of intention, AI generated content is still a very controversial subject, not in the least because it has been accused of stifling creativity by eliminating the human factor in storytelling. Electing to use it in any capacity was bound to cause a stir with the user base.

Hademaniacs, The TV Tropes Character Crossover War is your place for all things Hades! Go give 'em the love, comin' soon to a new home!

I don't even go on the forums but wow. Please ditch the plagiarism machine, it has no place on this site.

Lets at least hope the investor money is worth it

Ey, migi vuru?

And considering this site is all about documenting and troping creative works, backlash against AI is basically guaranteed.

Edited by MB74 on Mar 19th 2025 at 4:29:54 AM

"You don't have to use it-" my brother in christ, it's not just the use that's the problem. It's also the data gathering, which you have been worrying tight-lipped about for someone so open about drinking the AI kool-aid.

Even an "opt-out of AI-training" would be great at this point (though a full removal of AI all-together would be ideal)

Precisely. To say nothing that such technology is ripe for potential misuse.

Hademaniacs, The TV Tropes Character Crossover War is your place for all things Hades! Go give 'em the love, comin' soon to a new home!

Probably won't use it the app or keep it installed because me phone isn't exactly brimming with space, but I had a brief look and here are some thoughts:

• I like the structure of the main page, with the categories of examples of tropes and media. My only suggestion would perhaps be to split it up a bit into media and trope sections.
• This might just be a me-issue, but I do think that the posts on the forums are a bit too large (as in they take up too much space compared to the website version), though for some people that might be an improvement.
• I'm personally not a huge fan of AI, though it depends on the situation (AI has existed for a long time and been widely used, after all). Here, the environmental impact is worth thinking about but at least it's, presumably, not plagiarising people or replacing jobs. I did try it out and thought it was an ok novelty thing, a bit limited and lacking in detail.
  • Since the backlash against the AI has (at least vocally) been immense, I would perhaps suggest explaining what AI model it uses, what data it uses, what the goal is, etc. Whilst that won't please everyone or fix every issue associated with AI, transparency goes a long way towards trust.

Overall, not something I'll personally use since, as I said before, free space is a commodity I lack and the website suits me fine, but it's nice that people no wave the option to have the site in app form. It mostly seems structured well, I just have some nitpicks. Not a huge fan of AI, but I can't say I never played around with it and think that people will be at least moderately accepting with more transparency.

Edited by king15 on Mar 19th 2025 at 8:38:51 AM

x4 Eh. I'm on your side, but if they're training it off of Tv Tropes it's not as if it's all that feasible. I'll probably actively avoid contributing to that side of the site, though. If the forums are used too that'd give me a reason to reconsider, but I see no sane reason to do so, especially considering their goals with the damn thing.

Edited by Marchen on Mar 19th 2025 at 9:39:12 AM

Naturally when I went to download the app from the Google store it also suggested a bunch of sex hookup apps, presumably because the store assumed I was a Troper.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.

Admittedly, it doesn't seem like Claude's released data on how much power it uses for a single generation, but given Chat GPT's history, I'm more than a little worried. I'm guessing you don't know either.

I'm just baffled such a reviled feature is still being defended. Does it make you more money? Who asked for this?

Edited by WinningPony on Mar 19th 2025 at 1:47:17 AM