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@ErikUden@mastodon.deI'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Bluesky :Bluesky:, is in fact, Blockchain / VC, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Blockchain + VC.
Why Bluesky is not decentralized:
- How Decentralized Is Bluesky Really? [dustycloud.org]
by @cwebber - An outage that shuts down a “decentralized” network? [social.wildeboer.net]
by @jwildeboer
Why Bluesky doesn't let itself be self-hosted:
...and fool all those who think they are now really independent with their personal data server container
Is Bluesky Web3 and Will Add Cryptocurrency?
Bluesky doesn't moderate Queerphobia and Trans-Hate to appeal to a MAGA-Government:
Ties to MAGA, Russia, etc.:
Payment service and Advertising:
The mainstream, which is currently migrating from FaXistan to Bluesky, unfortunately has no aim and trots along with the opinion leaders who have migrated there and not to Mastodon, because they quickly realized that they cannot gain the reach and power there without a reinforcing algorithm as on Xcrement.
We should inform and educate about the question of which network to use, especially because of these still existing fundamental differences between Mastodon and Bluesky.
Post Idea and Sources by @frumble 
@ErikUden if it cant be self hosted what have I done with wafrn then
@ErikUden precisely a pds I do
I do not host the firehose tho and if you want to go for that as me cheating Im ok with that. a part of me still feels like cheating a bit.
I agree with some of what you said ngl, but people is going to bluesky because it has more safety features that end users find important
reply control, quote control, to a extreme level "hey that post that is quoting me. remove the quote". That on fedi would be nuts "how can you have control of my post"
@gabboman then I am uninformed. Thank you for your software, though, I am amazed at how it works daily!
@ErikUden @androcat bluesky federation is different than fediverse one.
Imagine that it doesnt matter whether you registred on mastodon social, toot cat or an akkoma instance. Imagine the only official way of using the fedi was through https://elk.zone
"the pds" would be "your instance". And I am stretching it here a bit.
Unlike in mastodon, your pds only hosts your posts. Its a job of the webview to take care of doing all the things that your instance does (storing posts as theyre needed.
The "firehose" is what the bluesky relay sends, basicaly all posts on the network. Your pds when you create a post it also tells the relay(s) "hey i have this post send it to everyone conected".
The reason of the relay being hard to host is that it expects to store ALL posts. Wich, should not be a requirement in my opinion. just by having the list of all accounts and what pds they are, things can get fetched from the pds.
Bluesky did it this way to remove load from hosting a pds (it can run on a pi or even an old console, as example @marsh.bsky.on-a-ps4.lol [app.wafrn.net] )
I still think bluesky has a lot of problems, but I see a lot of people fearmongering on things that are not actual problems, and that makes people talking about actual problems to look worse
@androcat @ErikUden
Also:
Wafrn started as a standalone tumblr clone. Then I conected it to fedi, like two years ago (quite buggy the initial time here).
And a few months ago i saw viable to conect to bluesky, and I did it. Mostly because there are lots of artists there, and the block wars are account versus account, not server vs server.. Wich is a big problem here
@ErikUden All (great) technical arguments aside, it’s a simple question really. Can a rich guy come, buy the network and bend it to his whims? For e-mail or Mastodon, that would be very difficult. For Bluesky it’s very easy. That’s it.
@starfrost @ErikUden I don’t know the details about Bluesky or the US non-profit system, but consider that OpenAI started as a non-profit…
Well, I just recently talked about one of the many issues Mastodon has: you can only request a server to delete your data, but it's up to the server if it honors such a request. That is of course a nightmare from a privacy standpoint.
@leonie.lgbt With Bluesky, can it be any different? Or isn't this just the reality of a decentralized system?
Bluesky will eventually figure out that the server died and delete the profile. Mastodon doesn't do that, because Eugen fears the server load. (Also why he hasn't gone out to implement reactions yet)
Honestly Mastodon's backend is a mess, because even simple things like mass-deleting data are as inefficient as possible.
@leonie.lgbt but Bluesky is also decentralized. I mean, what about services like WAFRN which also could simply decide to not agree with deletion policies as their backend isn't PDS?
That's the nice thing about ATProto. It's not a simple "check" if your account is down, if it's down it can't be reached.
@leonie.lgbt [bsky.brid.gy] @ErikUden I agree that Mastodon is not private.
If you do need real privacy because you have a high threat level, Signal App is the only option.
@ErikUden @MaximilianBlum Ne, das war meine Mail. 
@frumble das war der schlechteste Credit den Ich je gegeben habe 
@frumble Ich bitte vielmals um Entschuldigung. Gibt es irgendwas das Ich tun kann um das wieder gut zu machen?
@ErikUden @cwebber @jwildeboer @jomc @mastodonmigration @davetroy @theverge
Thanks, as it happens I was quite independently reading precisely those pieces today! The more one examines #Bluesky, the more it resembles a dead fish that's been lying out in the sun a fortnight too long.
@ErikUden @cwebber @jwildeboer @jomc @mastodonmigration @davetroy @theverge
En bluesky me salen puras noticias sobre política española .. y a ustedes
@ErikUden @cwebber @jwildeboer @jomc @davetroy @theverge
Excellent post! Thank you. It is critical that we understand what Bluesky actually is.
For more on the subject of...
Who actually owns #Bluesky?
...please also read this thread and the referenced links
https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/113918378013302932
One immediate question is what is going on with the $700M Bain Capital funding round announced 'almost complete' a month ago? 
@ErikUden @davetroy @cwebber @mastodonmigration @theverge @jwildeboer @jomc @ferret That's because some fediverse softwares and bots took steps to allow the fediverse access to bluesky. If we're only looking at the stuff bluesky actually built (atproto) then we'll see that what they created is a system where everything is a piece of one big network, instead of a bunch of smaller ones that then connect to each other. The fediverse is like a European Union, there are a bunch of smaller republics which can all leave the confederation at will and serve as a fully functioning place to live on their own while bluesky is like one big republic but where you're allowed to create competing governments that come with their own infrastructure (good luck paying for the upkeep of an entire country without any tax revenue though). This is why bluesky isn't considered decentralised, because no one can afford and has no reason to run a social media network with 25 million users that's literally the exact same as bluesky and even shares all the same data. Not to mention that bluesky controls the keys neccesary for a user to actually move their profile from the official PDS to their own. If they wanted to, they could stop people from getting control over even their data at any point.
You could say that the fediverse as a whole and atproto as a whole are federated to some degree, but on it's own bluesky does not use the concept of federation, no matter how decentralized bluesky becomes nothing in there will be federating with nothing else because it's all one big network.
@ferret @ErikUden @davetroy @cwebber @mastodonmigration @theverge @jwildeboer @jomc @ferret@fedi.workersofthe.world I mean, it's still viable and fascinating that the gaps between fedi and atproto are being bridged and I don't think such ideas or implementations are going away any time soon. In fact, my prediction is that they'll expand. Also, @bsky.brid.gy [bsky.brid.gy] exists so there is some software independent federation happening
@ErikUden @cwebber @jwildeboer @jomc @mastodonmigration @davetroy @theverge Krasse Zusammenstellung, danke.
@ErikUden @cwebber @jwildeboer @jomc @mastodonmigration @davetroy @theverge
I will repost this unironically on FB, IG, and Xitter – and to my bridged Bsky
Edit: And to Threads and Linkedin
@HalfHeartedFanatic thank you!