From what I'm hearing, Stern's fix is a different motor to run the dragon, so while I'm sure the wire routing had something to do with it, it sounds like the problem ran a little deeper than that.

This is not to discount guys like Monk who say the boards have a weakness with intermittent power. That still may be true. It just sounds like on DnD the real problem may have been elsewhere and/or the board thing is simply a contributing factor or maybe not a factor at all other than the problem existing.

I thought Sterns never had an issue out of the box? That's just other maufactureres...

Yup that is what we all always say. Stern's never have problems, it is only other manufacturers. I mean there aren't countless threads out there about Stern having issues, but just ignore all of those Stern machines never have problems ever. No one ever comes to Pinside to ask for help with Stern machines, it is only other manufacturers.

Nobody has ever said that.

The trolls are always the hardest to kill.

It's not the only issue. It's just the issue that gets attention since it's considered a "fix". The board is capable of failing for unknown reasons.

Wow that would be a huge fix. And what is with the LE? This fix is maybe only used in the Premium? This would be not an argument for the LE-variant...

Perhaps it's just replacing the motor with the same motor but with longer leads.

I had heard the initial fix was a wiring extension. But if true, then that introduces more connectors.

All hearsay.

No, it would be for LE's and Premiums. Presumably current LE owners will get the sent the upgraded part. New LE's get the new part at the factory.

I am not sure on the specifics of the motor changes. It could possibly be as simple as longer leads, or it could be a whole different motor with a different design. I think the "wiring extension" fix was simply the same as cutting the zip ties or routing the cable slightly differently and maybe they have discovered that move is not enough. Or, as we've seen, others have been unfortunate enough to have discovered that wasn't enough.

Calm down. Lol. It takes more than one post to be a troll ya nutjob.

Back to node 10 board failures. On delivery starting with Rush.

I beg to differ. One can be a masterful troll in a single post.

It's a bit more complicated than sticking a regulator somewhere in the circuit. I can elaborate, but it would be a long winded post and bore everyone.

While a daughter board on the motor lines helps, there's still the connectors between the daughter card and node board board which would be unprotected. And ideally adding a daughter card involves knowing what you're trying to protect against, the daughter card I made is somewhat generic (but should still help) since I don't have a pin to measure the problem.

There is nothing boring on Pinside.

Someone has to be on left side of the bell curve, and that person would be me when discussing node 10. LOL

I wouldn't want to derail this thread, I'd discuss it in the Rush Node Board thread.

Got a link to where you discuss? I would love to read more.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/rush-node-board-10-issues-and-non-issues-list/page/45#post-8577080

The thread is 2 years old, but I didn't start to look at the issue in earnest until about a year ago. Others dug into the problem too and we traded a fair number of PM's behind the scenes.

I beg to differ. Too many cupcakes these days who consider arguments or opinions to the contrary as trolling.

Glass of cement and harden up instead of throwing out buzzword like trolling as a response to a post you don't like.

I actually took his post as a compliment.

Stern should have tested before games hit the line and shipped.

Trust me, they already knew it was a problem. Same boards have been burning up in Rush for awhile now. Just disable the dragon!!

Trolling is saying inflammatory, non productive things just to get a rise out of people. At the post in question was exactly that. It was not an argument or contrary opinion. It was a troll post. Not that I care or was bothered. But let’s call a spade a spade.

I dont troll often, but when I do, I like when it's referred to as masterful.

Back on topic. Looking forward to playing more D&D this weekend. I wasnt into it
, except the books were cool, but I do like the pin so far.

I said “one can”, not “you did”.

Meh. I'll take the win.

Back on topic. Any thoughts on a code drop coming soon?

Looks like the new machines have a much shorter harness on the stepper motor that swings back and forth, which then plugs into another longer harness. Another connection point, but maybe the theory is that the wire used in the extension harness is better suited to handle the flexing and movement…

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likely before the launch party's really ramp up.
They know about issues in 0.85.

Sounds like it's pretty close to happening.

There was no win to take but if thinking so make you happy then I’m happy for you.

I put Titan rubbers on my flippers, and it made so I couldn't use the shield to make the shots on either side. Now I'm having to mess with the original rubbers to get them back to normal, so I can make those shots again. Be aware messing with the flipper rubber can mess up your shield shot, and make you have to tinker with it to get them working again

What about adjusting the flipper bats with the new rubbers on? I don’t have my machine yet but people not making the shots from the shield I would think just need the flippers adjusted.

I put the old rubbers back on and if that rubber isn't just right the shot on the left misses, I gotta mess with it more today, maybe shim the shield. If I hold the shield over to the left with my fingers the shots both work. This all started from something as simple as flipper rubbers lol. So yeah if your machine is making those shots, dont even breathe on those flippers.
On some machines the shield is out of whack, and off center. Mine is center, but apparently it's very touchy

See, that wasn't so hard, now was it!

Going to play some D&D later!

I think he is talking about adjusting your flippers themselves not just changing the rubber. Have you adjusted the angle at all?

Oh so now you're making stuff up. Awesome.

I believe Brian Eddy said that the shield wasn't really designed with that in mind. Mine will make the shot to the right ramp all the time (so far anyways) but the left one I need to backhand from the left flipper or be lucky from the right flipper with a precise shot. Which is perfectly fine with me.

Dwight was just on livestream saying that it wasn't really designed to hit the shots, and that they don't usually see the shield able to hit both, typically it will hit one of the shots consistently but not both. So those who are trying to get theirs to hit both, realize that it's not really meant to. If it doesn't hit either shot, tweaking it might get one of the shots to be consistent but unlikely both.

I put on the old rubbers, and had to do the washer under the mount trick to get the shield in the proper position. Took a lot of trial and error. That shield is gonna give a lot of people trouble if they wanna use it the intended way to get those ramp shots.

I think Brian is bullshitting, because it's having issues lol. I doubt that they angled the shield matching and lining up perfectly on accident.

Mine hit both out of the box, and I've got it doing it again, using washers to position it properly. The angles are too close for me to buy that it wasn't meant to make those shots. I think it's just too finicky so they're saying that now.

According to Dwight and Eddy. That is not the intended way.

Turn on Dark Side of the Moon when you start playing D&D to really have your mind blown.

You are lucky cause it's clearly not happening on majority of machines. Know 4 local machines that can only hit one of the shots reliably, none can do both, and from the owners thread it seems rare folks can hit both.

They never stated you could hit both shots, so not gonna get up in arms over it not doing what wasn't advertised.

According to Dwight and Eddy. That is not the intended way.

100%

It's not a big deal, but I'm just saying how the shield is angled, not rounded, how it hits the shots , or is just barely off. (And I mean barely, moving it maybe 1/16th of an inch to hit the shot) I think they're official story that it's just a coincidence it hits the shots, isn't true. Where it's placed how it's angled, a lot of things say otherwise. I think its just too finicky, and they didn't wanna come up with a fix to make it work. I think they were trying to design it, so you're, "blocking" with the shield, and then hitting with your weapon "Shooting the ramps", but it was too unreliable how it is, so now they say it's not designed to, so no one thinks they got a defective shield.
Pretty sure most machines can be made to make both shots you just have to be willing to test it over and over and keep making adjustments. I think Stern just didn't wanna put the man hours into doing it, and I don't blame them. It took me around an hour

Exactly right!

If you notice in my original post I never quoted Roostking's comment, only stated that trolls are the hardest to kill. There was quite a lot of discussion at the time about how difficult it is to beat the trolls and in fact one person said they were considering selling the game because of the mode. I knew when I posted it that Roostking would assume it was directed at him as he knows he's trolling and he took the bait and jumped on it. lol

A bit late to the party but we just unboxed a Pro at Lynn's Arcade:

I got a lucky mimic shot and GC'd the game because of it:

This is probably a known bug already but we got stuck in some mode jail during a "Greenest" mode:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2393460573?t=4h12m32s

I reported this to Xaqery already.

Yeah, it's been a known problem for a bit that was reported and acknowledged. Hopefully the next version will vanquish it.

Can someone bring me up to date on the dragon issue on Premium/LE models? I've been reading all the comments but there has been so much discussion and conflicting conjecture I don't know what is what. Is there a problem with the dragon? Are they shipping Premiums and telling customers to disconnect the dragon? That seems incredibly callus. What's going on?

Thanks all

No. Premiums and late LEs already have their fix, which is a different motor and harness. They've shipped fixes to dealers and dealers were shipping them out to customers last week.

No cases yet of issues in games with the fix, but I would not be surprised if occasionally someone's stepper gets disconnected and blows their board. Just like has happened in GZ. Hopefully rare.

Awesome, thanks for the Update. All the cross posting really confused the issue for me. Thank-you for clearing that up.

We tried to make it a feature but all we could pull off was that sometimes it might work. There are just too many variables.