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This is a public service announcement to never ever use Oracle
After realizing that my servers were offline since the 25th of January 2025, I've been in contact with Oracle support in a multitude of ways trying to figure out why this happened and how we can recover both the account and data.
I wasn't told that my account was disabled. I didn't receive an E-Mail or anything. When logging in, I was simply told that my username or password was incorrect. After (successfully) resetting my password twice, I realized it wasn't about the password. Oracle had just deleted my account without any notice.
Both through calls and text, always with the same service request (SR) number, I contacted support. Initially, support told me that my account was flagged “Inactive” and hence disabled. They also verified that they saw me login almost daily and that I never missed a payment or anything. Even if an account was inactive, that's never a reason to disable it, especially without any warning E-Mail or an E-Mail letting me know that my account was disabled in the first place.
This chat was the result of all of that, where the highest team I've yet been elevated to told me that there's nothing they can do about it, there's no reason they can tell me for why this happened, and there's no one else I could ask.
I also love how I ask “Is there anything I can do to avoid this happening in the future?” and they respond with “Oh, don't worry. You don't have a future at Oracle. This will not happen to you again, as we don't allow for you to make another account.”
The tech person at Oracle at least lets me know that they'd feel similarly betrayed and dislike this handling of user data too 
Don't worry: I have backups of all of this. It's just kafkaesque what is happening here.
@ErikUden@mastodon.deInterestingly, two days before Oracle deleted my account and all servers associated with it, I publicly criticized Oracle's CEO in a viral post for promising dystopian AI surveillance technology to his investors.
https://mastodon.de/@ErikUden/113879369270806353
What a weird coincidence.
Hey Oracle, I will never use your shitty products, your CEO sucks, and I will DO everything in my power that your products are not used anywhere else.
PS: Postgres is 100x times better than your databases, and it will never sell to you. Get fucked Oracle.
@toriver @realn2s @funbaker @ErikUden
The history of Larry Ellison's support for fascist coups is interesting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/20/larry-ellison-oracle-trump-election-challenges/
The history of Oracle itself is even more fascinating.
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-cia-made-larry-ellison-a-billionaire-2014-9
People continue to ignore how well funded this fascist movement has become.
https://www.oracle.com/jo/news/announcement/oracle-will-train-saudi-nationals-in-artificial-intelligence-and-other-latest-digital-technologies-2023-12-14/
and then there's JAVA
Oracle Corporation owns Java.
They acquired it when they bought Sun Microsystems in 2010.
so please fuck all the Java systems...
Google already knows the pain to work with Larry, after a long legal battle, the Supreme Court ultimately ruled in favor of Google in 2021
@fredbrooker @funbaker @ErikUden making an entire new language (Kotlin) just to get as far away from that dipshit as possible.
I know a woman with an old staff jacket from Sun Microsystems she found, and that's straight fire.
@reprapryn @fredbrooker @funbaker @ErikUden well Java is still huge at Google and will be for the foreseeable future
@j2kun @fredbrooker @funbaker @ErikUden I thought it being big was why Google was so big on creating Kotlin as well
@reprapryn @fredbrooker @funbaker @ErikUden yeah but I haven't seen much Kotlin adoption myself
@j2kun @fredbrooker @funbaker @ErikUden knew some devs in Germany who were doing it
@j2kun @reprapryn @fredbrooker @funbaker @ErikUden I'd like to point out that the entirety of the Android developers' pool is *at the very least* familiar and most likely writing Kotlin every day they touch Android (not to mention Kotlin Multiplatform). Yes there's still Java in many codebases, but some (Android) devs are very anal about removing it.
That being said, Kotlin doesn't belong to Google, it's developed by a different company that is not part of them: Jetbrains.
@reprapryn @j2kun @fredbrooker @funbaker @ErikUden Google didn't create Kotlin, it was Jetbrains.
Google adopted it as an official language for Android, and prefers it to Java when writing new code. But Java is still supported
@iboalali @reprapryn @j2kun @fredbrooker @funbaker @ErikUden
Not surprising. It's hugely expensive to replace years of old code with little if any functional benefit.
Just ask banks about their COBOL legacy code...
@joeinwynnewood @iboalali @reprapryn @j2kun @funbaker @ErikUden
I don't ask banks, I switch banks!
believe me, it's worth it = switch banks to modern banks, switch operating systems, switch carriers, switch operators, switch DNS registries...
I have decided to kill my own domain after nearly 20 years and stop using our national registry = will be a tough ride as I expect to make hundreds of checks and data transfers
@fredbrooker @iboalali @reprapryn @j2kun @funbaker @ErikUden
They pretty much all depend on legacy systems to run their back office operations.
Smaller community banks and credit unions don't and can't build their own systems. They buy or rent them from 3rd parties who all rely on the same legacy era code base.
Switching to community focused banks is a very good thing, but is orthogonal to this.
@joeinwynnewood @iboalali @reprapryn @j2kun @funbaker @ErikUden
the bank I am using is quite new and it belonged to a group of our top #1 Czech billionaire who got killed when skying in Alaska :0
their services and security is #1, no fees (until you want to borrow money)
@joeinwynnewood @iboalali @reprapryn @j2kun @funbaker @ErikUden
many banking systems use some HW and middleware from Oracle, so all the same shit again and again
you can't create anything new in the back-end if you must rely on the communications with other "mastodonts" = it's a classic civilization ouroboros syndrome
@iboalali @reprapryn @j2kun @funbaker @ErikUden
Kotlin and Java are both popular programming languages, but Kotlin has seen increased adoption, particularly within the Android development community, after Google announced it as the preferred language for Android development in 2017.
so Google somehow "created" it :))
I am learning Golang, skipping Dart
I know the basics of Kotlin but the whole ecosystem of Google Play is way too much (3 days of coding, 3 weeks of setting all the assets)
@fredbrooker @funbaker @ErikUden that's fine. I have similar feelings about php
@fredbrooker everyone had their preferences and tradeoffs. I hope your tools serve you well
@otfrom everything is full of bugs, the neverending story till you die
@fredbrooker keeps us in work I suppose
@otfrom currently moving Google from one biz legacy to another current biz = pain in the ass
right, that’s why I am learning Golang and Godot Engine
@fredbrooker no offense, but Golang is a poor choice, because it is owned by Google. If you are avoiding Java because it is owned by Oracle, you should avoid Golang for similar reasons. Dart (Google), Swift (Apple), C# (Microsoft), and GraphQL (Meta) should also all be avoided for the same reason.
And for the record, Google once almost deleted my personal account as well for reasons they refused to explain. Fortunately for me they reinstated my account, but I have never trusted them for anything ever since and have been trying very hard to de-Google.
It is scary to think that there are rules that govern our lives which we cannot vote on, we cannot challenge in any court of law, and which can change arbitrarily at any time. One day you are doing your work, then suddenly everything you have built is gone because an algorithm classified you as a terrorist and you have no recourse.
@ramin_hal9001 @otfrom @ErikUden @fredbrooker@witter.cz just do python or rust, lol
depol, rupol, uspol, fascism
@burnoutqueen TIL that Oracle is trumpist.
Maybe we should make a list of all Trumpist, Putinist, AfD-related and BSW-related companies. There are simply too many of those to remember them all.
@ErikUden It's so unfortunate to hear that.
I hope you get everything in order and aren't too hurt by these series of events.
@ErikUden Not long ago I would have considered it paranoid to draw a connection here…
@ErikUden
Oh. Teh. Lulz.
Edit: found the GDPR thread below.
Also, isn't GDPR applicable here? (I had also a account deleted with the reason of “we can't tell you” (and it happened while I was asking for help with the registration) and the help desk ignored my questions for data. But I had other problems and did not get very far.)
@dzwiedziu You're absolutely right. I've sent a GDPR request immediately. The EU stands against kafkaesque practices.
@ErikUden @dzwiedziu It would be interesting to see how that played out. Please share - if possible.
@Hammerwell @dzwiedziu I will keep everyone updated. Do not worry.
Welcome to the oligarchy!
"Interestingly, two days before Oracle deleted my account and all servers associated with it, I publicly criticized Oracle's CEO in a viral post for promising dystopian AI surveillance technology to his investors."
"What a weird coincidence."
@ErikUden oh. I was already wondering whether you had annoyed NSA, Trump or someone of his friends. ...
@chbmeyer a post I recently made was reposted and only through a friend of mine seeing it I realized it had 3.8 million views on Reddit. To this day I'm being sent Instagram posts by other accounts reposting that daily through friends or because these accounts tag me.
It's easy (and even appreciated by me) when my posts leave this platform. I don't think I've angered anyone, I'm way too irrelevant. However, when arbitration is the norm, a small act like this can easily be pushed under the rug.
I guess the problem rather is that it may as well be true. Since we're given no explanation, or rather a refusal to explain what happened here by Oracle, we must come up with what sounds like a conspiracy.
Do I believe there's really a connection here? 99.9% sure there isn't. Is it possible for any AI to scan the internet for criticics and make their life harder? Sure is. Is it most likely Oracle's arbitrary practices? Yeah.
This could've happened to anyone, a critic, fan, or someone who's indifferent to Oracle. That's almost worse than it only happening to someone critical of their CEO.
张殿李
@ErikUden @chbmeyer maybe it's completely unrelated to your free speech criticism of the CEO but rather a technical issue at their end. For instance, your account is corrupted and embarrassingly they have no way to restore it or fix it. Or maybe you were accidentally deleted when in fact it should have been someone else... but they can't restore. So, u get... as we say in the UK... Thrown under the bus! Just a theory mind, I can't imagine criticising a CEO of a mega corp is gonna get you booted.
@ErikUden Ellison does look like a weak rage driven cunt
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@ErikUden it's amazing just how fragile, bitter, vindictive and thin skinned these right wing free speech absolutist capitalists are.
@ivor just to be clear, what I'm saying is a baseless accusation. I'm 99.99% sure that they didn't deliberately do this to mess with me. Although it'd be funny if they did. Even worse: maybe Oracle treats everyone like this, criticics and supporters alike.
@afink Will do!
@afink
I think that needs to happen Monday along with some massive lawsuits against Elon because he has no business with any of my personal information...
These people are criminals, they are not intelligent.
