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Conservative media host and commentator Steven Crowder can be seen on a Ring Camera video berating his wife Hilary, who was at the time nearly eight months pregnant, and demanding that she handle medicine for his dogs that she was concerned was toxic to pregnant women. In the video, he snaps at her to put on her gloves to give his dogs medicine, walk the dogs, and otherwise "perform wifely duties," as she is clearly emotionally distressed.
Towards the end of the exchange, Hilary Crowder says to her husband, "Your abuse is sick," he snaps at her, saying, "Watch it. Fucking watch it."
Moments later, off camera, Steven Crowder, by his admission, would lose control and scream at his pregnant wife in a threatening tone, "I will fuck you up," which led his wife to flee their home.
In a statement sent to me by Hilary Crowder's family, they say that she spent years hiding her husband's mental and emotional abuse from her family, that he lied about the circumstances around their divorce, and that he wasn't present for the birth of their children.
Documentary evidence I reviewed while reporting this story backs up their assertions.
The statement, in its entirety, is printed later on in this story. The Ring Camera footage documenting the moments leading up to the moment where Steven said, "I will fuck you up!" something that was at the pinnacle of aggressiveness in their marriage but was also part of a pattern of emotional abuse is posted in full at the top of this post and detailed later on.
Neither Hilary nor Steven Crowder is contending that there was physical abuse in their marriage or sexual infidelity. And in audio files and text messages I reviewed, Steven Crowder admits to some of his faults, which include a volcanic temper, repeatedly, and at times, regretfully.
But according to sources I spoke to who are familiar with their relationship, Steven Crowder's admissions often came after a sustained period of mental and emotional abuse, and he didn't seem to be able to control his impulses.
This story is based on conversations with multiple sources, none of whom would speak to me unless they were granted anonymity. I also reviewed text messages, extensive audio files, and personal videos documenting the Crowder's marriage.
Hilary Crowder was not available for comment or a conversation with me on more confidential terms. Two messages sent to Steven Crowder via his website requesting comment have yet to be replied to by the time this story was published. If he does reply or comment publicly about the details posted here, this story will be updated accordingly.
The Crowders were married in 2012 after dating for two years and being engaged for less than a year. Hilary Crowder filed for divorce in December 2021 after she learned that her husband had hired a divorce attorney a month earlier. Hilary Crowder welcomed twins via Caesarean section in August 2021.
Despite her best efforts, her husband was absent when their twins were born. Instead, he met their newborn twins later that day at the hospital.
The night before she gave birth, Steven and Hilary exchanged a series of text messages about separating. Hilary sent her husband one of the final text messages: "Steven, I'm afraid of you [and your] rage. You are scary. You scare me. I want to heal things, but you have to take responsibility. Stop blaming others. Stop feeling pain and sadness only for yourself."
In the past two weeks, rumors of their divorce, which the press had not discovered for over a year, began to spread on Twitter.
On Tuesday, Steven Crowder briefly spoke about the news on his popular show "Louder With Crowder."
Crowder said, in part:
"I have been living with a proverbial boot on my neck for going on years now; since 2021, I have been living through what has increasingly been a horrendous divorce. And no, this is not been my choice. My then wife decided she didn't want to be married anymore. And in the State of Texas, that is completely permitted. She simply wanted out, and the law says that is how it works. It's no one else's fault but my own in that I picked wrong. And that certainly isn't the fault of my children."
Crowder bemoaned Texas' no-fault divorce law several times in his statement. No-Fault divorce laws allow either party in a marriage to get divorced without requiring a cause like abuse or infidelity. It wasn't the first time Crowder had talked about his disgust for such laws.
What Crowder didn't mention was that his very private wife, who hardly appears at public events and is rarely photographed, had made a request via her attorneys that her husband not discuss their divorce at all.
Steven Crowder dismissed that request and spoke about the divorce and their marriage for about five minutes in a clip that went viral.
In a statement sent to me via email, Hilary Crowder's family said:
"Hilary is currently living alone in Dallas, apart from her family and support system in Michigan, and is focused on taking care of her young children. She is not prepared at this time to speak about her divorce becoming public or the misleading statements made by Steven about their relationship.
The truth is that Hilary spent years hiding Steven's mentally and emotionally abusive behavior from her friends and family while she attempted to save their marriage. She was the one who was asking to work on their relationship to keep the marriage intact for their unborn children.
In June of 2021, Steven left their home to pursue elective surgery. Hilary urged him to get the help he needed to address his abuse with the hope that their marriage could be saved and they could peacefully live together as a family. Instead, Steven refused to do so and chose not to be with his wife during the birth of their twin children. After the birth, Steven bought a townhouse and left their home permanently. Hilary was unaware that Steven had hired a divorce attorney and asked his assistant to cut Hilary off financially. There is significant documentation substantiating these facts.
We hope that Steven will cease speaking publicly about these personal matters in an untruthful manner. We also look forward to there being full transparency in the legal process so there is fairness and accountability for the actions that caused the divorce, and to ensure the outcome is what is in the best interests of the young children."
In the Ring camera video, which was captured on June 26, 2021, Steven Crowder is angry as he sits on the patio smoking, and Hilary Crowder is in a state of motion as she prepares to leave the house.
Steven Crowder insists that Hilary not take their one car to run errands as it would keep him housebound and that she, at nearly eight months pregnant, should take an UBER.
He also berates her for not doing her "wifely duties," like grocery shopping, in a way that pleases him.
Tensions rise as Steven Crowder gets more agitated.
"Feeling some constraint?" Crowder said to his wife.
Crowder gets irritated and says that if Hilary, his very pregnant wife, takes the car, he can't go to the gym, see his parents, or see his friends.
"The only way out of it is discipline and respect," Crowder said to his wife.
Hilary Crowder, in an attempt to leave, tells her husband that she loves him and that she's committed to the marriage.
Steven Crowder gets angrier and suggests that if she is committed to their marriage, she should put on gloves to give his dogs the medicine that his wife was concerned was toxic for pregnant women and walk their dogs.
As they headed inside, Crowder got angrier and angrier and was, by his admission (via audio I reviewed) yelling angrily and said, "I will fuck you up." According to both Crowders, Steven immediately pulled back and realized what he said. But by that point, Hilary was frightened and left the house.
In the review of audio, video, and text messages, Steven Crowder repeatedly admits that he has a volcanic temper and has been working through therapy to control it. However, at one point in one of the audio files I reviewed, Steven Crowder gets upset because he is frustrated that he is not getting enough credit for not having lost his temper for months but adds that he can't promise he won't lose it again in the future.
Two people who worked for Steven in the past say that he has created a cult-like atmosphere in the workplace and is intolerant of dissent. "You're either fully for him, or you're his enemy," one former employee told me in a conversation on Wednesday.
In an interview on Michael Malice's podcast, Dave Landau, who used to be a co-host on Louder With Crowder, said that Crowder had surrounded himself with "yes men."
Landau added about Crowder, "He's become the bully, and he doesn't realize it."
Crowder's career in mainstream conservative media started at Fox News in 2009, where he appeared as a guest on programs and wrote for Fox News' website until he was let go from the network in October 2013. His show "Louder With Crowder" aired on CRTV and later the Blaze from 2017 through the end of his contract in 2022.
Crowder's media footprint is substantial; on YouTube, his two channels have over seven million subscribers and have garnered over 2.2 billion views. In addition, he has millions of followers across Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook.
On the conservative online video platform Rumble, Crowder has over 1 million followers.
In March 2023, Rumble announced that at least 58,000 people had subscribed to Crowder's channel paying $89 a year each. That would mean over $5.1 million for this particular revenue stream, and the numbers that Rumble shared were in the pre-launch phase. The numbers have likely grown since.
It's this success, and an ideological alliance, that led the Daily Wire, the conservative media company co-founded by Ben Shapiro and Jeremy Boreing, to make an offer to Crowder in October 2022 to bring his show to their company.
The offer was later revealed to be $50 million over four years. Crowder would be responsible for his production costs as part of the deal. And Boreing later made it clear that the $50 million was just an initial non-binding offer to start negotiations and that they would have likely paid much more to secure Crowder for their growing list of conservative hosts.
Like so many things in his life in recent years, Crowder's temper and paranoia led him to destroy his relationship with Shapiro, Boreing, and others at Daily Wire when he posted a video on his channel suggesting that the Daily Wire (without naming the company) was attempting to align itself with "big tech" by mentioning in their initial offer to him that if he was demonetized on social media platforms that it would reduce his overall compensation.
The Daily Wire responded that they couldn't be expected to compensate him at the initial contract rate if they were losing revenue streams they had accounted for as part of determining his compensation.
Crowder responded to a video by Boreing by playing audio from a call he had, unbeknownst to Boreing, taped.
Crowder said that the call with Boreing was only the third conversation with a friend he's taped in his entire life.
But in the interview with Michael Malice, Crowder's former co-host Dave Landau said that Crowder would regularly tape calls with people without them knowing.
While it's clear that Crowder is making millions from his conservative media mini-empire, it's unclear if he will receive an offer like the one he got from the Daily Wire team again.
Crowder's willingness to publicly destroy a relationship will likely lead other conservative media funders to be cautious about getting into business with him. The self-destructiveness is not surprising to people who know him but still shocking given his constant concern with money, according to people who know him well.
In reviewing documentary evidence related to their marriage, Steven Crowder appears obsessed with the idea that his wife is only interested in him for money. Hilary Crowder started dating him well before he became famous and wealthy. He was making less than $100,000 a year when they got married.
On April 22, 2022, Crowder was talking on his show about his distaste for no-fault divorce; he said, "If you're a woman that comes from meager means, and you want to get wealthy – you've never worked, you didn't get a degree, you have no skill set, but you're good-looking – your best path to victory is simply to marry a man, leave him, and take half."
By the time Crowder said this, it had been five months since he retained a divorce attorney, but his audience was unaware of this move.
Six months later, he would walk away from a $50 million opening offer from the Daily Wire.
Four months after the news of the Daily Wire offer became public in January 2023, and his comments about the proposal led to the destruction of his relationship with Ben Shapiro and Jeremy Boreing, the public would learn that a dispute with the Daily Wire was the least of Steven Crowder's problems.
The DailyWire dodged a bullet.
Is there any evidence of him being controlling or abusive outside this 3min video which also shows no abuse other than some odd talk about gloves?
What's the context here?
Ladies, if a man you're interested in watches this video and asks "where's the abuse," run away. Run away fast.
I am a conservative and traditional tough guy husband, but even I agree. If you don't see abuse here, you are a problem.
I'm a woman and I see her as manipulative as him.
She's a victim of domestic abuse. How do you want her to behave? She tries to appease him by telling him she loves him and is committed to him. That's what scared victims do.
Yep, it's no different if a man was dealing with a wife threatening to harm themselves or something emotionally abusive such as that. You pretty much tell them what they want to hear in the moment until you can make yourself and others in a safe position. She's not manipulating, she's surviving.
Except she wasn't telling him what he wanted to hear; the argument continued.
Using the "i love you" was just deflection about the real problem, and we don't know what the real problem is by this video alone.
You can’t be this goddamn stupid
There's camera's littered on their property, for good reason because of potential outside threats. This is the worst they could find and it's all edited (you can clearly see cuts in the video) to make him look as bad as possible and this was the worst they could find? Use your brain. This is a big nothingburger. You can't be this goddamn stupid.
found the guy who beats his wife.
There are a lot of phrases that, even taken out of context, shouldn't be said to your spouse or any other human being in a relationship. Also, his tone is demeaning and superior. There's no affection coming from him, it's like he's talking to a servant.
There's *one* cut that I can see, and you have no idea if this is *the worst they could find*. And if you don't think it's bad, that's a you problem. You're way in the minority here.
Feminism: A Jewish Psyop to Demonize White Women . . .
http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-psychological-operation-to-blame-white-women/
You make a comment like that and then call Crowder abusive? Hypocrite much?
the real problem is that he's abusive, and you're a moron defending it.
i hope all the women around you know how dangerous you are.
You are a goddamned idiot.
Yet another abuser abusing other commenters.
It is hypocritcal. I notice it, too.
You are SO full of shit on every level.
She tries to avoid the actual conversation and her actions by saying she loves him, irrelevant to the conversation and an attempt to gain high ground.
if you want to say that she is doing that, he is doing it times 1000. He can walk his own dogs for crying out loud she's eight months pregnant.
fellas, is it abusive for you wife to tell you she loves you??
Jewish messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for almost two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative. These are the same ideals.
The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond race, people, culture) and that are the daily sustenance of our schools, in the media, in our pop culture, at our universities, and on our streets have our biosymbolic identity and our ethnic pride reduced to their minimal expression.
f*ck off, useless eater.
“They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blonde hair, I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not become deadly to the human race. They have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct and in barbarism. They deserve to be punished, for this is their destiny. The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred towards all nations, and revolts against all masters; always superstitious, always greedy for the well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous; cringing in misfortune and insolent in prosperity.”
— François-Marie Voltaire,
Lettres de Memmius à Cicéron (1771)
no one gives a f*ck what you or your fellow nazi pigs have to say. now f*ck off.
Uh. Lot
Love how you just invent shit out of the blue. She wants to take the car and will be back "whenever". He has a set schedule because he is a media mogul in high demand.
But bless your little heart for trying.
then he can take an Uber or buy a second car. She's fucking 8 months pregnant
Nothing in this video indicated that - at this moment in time - he was scheduled to the second. In the time he took to berate her, he could have done the dog's meds and walked them both.
I am not saying this is a fair assessment of their overall relationship, but he is not looking good here at all.
Why do they only have one car anyway? That's weird in itself and will leave one of them stranded at any point the other takes the car. He does act like a total douchebag though. She shouldn't be giving the meds to the dog if it could hurt the babies plus he wasn't there for their birth. Total douchebag and she's better off without him for sure.
A millionaire who talks to his wife like that and only has one car is a controlling abuser. I am ashamed I paid for mug-club
Yes, he looked so busy sitting around smoking a cigar.
and that's why you think abusing women is fine.
Do you realize how faulty your thinking is (or your lack of thinking is).
You proved you can't clearly reason because you just assume someone noticing her manipulations means they are 'fine' with abusing women. That is a huge leap.
And no, I'm not on the me too bs bandwagon.
No, it isn't. Neither is calling this abuse in any way. Thanks for trying though.
Roosh?? Are you back?
Roosh?? Are you back?
Correct because women are the victims 100% of the time and men are the abusers 100% of the time and women are perfect in every way and men are trash. Good luck being alone the rest of your life.
No one said that. She's 8 months pregnant with twins. He's being a selfish a$$hole and seems to enjoy her exhaustion both physically and emotionally. That is what a sick person does.
Yep, she was so exhausted, that she wanted to go the store and come back "whenever."
you are an insufferable human being who has nothing better to do than berate a woman you don't even know online
I haven't berated anyone. In fact, the people accusing crowder of abuse have posted very abusive comments.
So, you're another one who can't see clearly and hysterically accuses me of 'berating' someone.
Baseless comments like these are why rational people just don't believe people like you.
Why are you so loyal to a random media figure who doesn't know you exist?
Feminism: A Jewish Psyop to Demonize White Women . . .
http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-psychological-operation-to-blame-white-women/
been married once, for 30+ years, still going, and absolutely women are not always the victims. But I'm not sure what that has to do with this case where she clearly is the victim.
Wow, was divorce court rough for you too? So sad.
you seen upset
Feminism: A Jewish Psyop to Demonize White Women . . .
http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-psychological-operation-to-blame-white-women/
based on what hes saying it sounds like shes cheated on him, and what he said...not that bad for someone who is apparrently a violent bully....this is garbage
well if you actually listened to the dialogue which seems like you probably haven't, it sounds like she isn't doing "wifely" things (maybe being eight months pregnant she's not as sexually adventurous as she used to be who knows) and she doesn't want to handle a substance that might be harmful to her babies. Wow. Whether or not she is correct in that (I have my doubts) his demanding she obey does nothing for her anxieties about the situation. He is a man who thinks every problem needs to be dealt with with a whip. She is not his military recruit. And as he continues to treat her as such, he is destroying any relationship that may have been there while she is attempting to salvage it. But if you ask me this would've been the last straw. Good for her. He is treating her like a dry drunk.
Also Steven said there was no infidelity on either one's part.
he said there was no infidelity on either side.
I do not think his behavior is acceptable at all, however, she was not afraid of him physically harming her and she's never claimed that. I didn't see any fear in regards to her physical safety that would require her to appease him.
How many times does a person have to get yelled at in a threatening manner before they get hit?
Or she’s attempting to change the subject so she doesn’t have to do shit she doesn’t want to do. Like it or not, ADULTS have to sometimes do things they don’t want to or don’t feel like doing. She’s pregnant NOT an invalid.
Nah
I highly doubt he knew your package has been delivered was being recorded himself
they are his own ring cameras so I would imagine he would know where they are located and that they could be recording at any time. What he didn't bank on was that they would be used against him because he's always supposed to be in control, in his mind, as clearly demonstrated by the recording.
It’s obvious from their body language who has the power in this dynamic. He is under no threat, not at all at risk, actively and repeatedly demeaning her. She is pacing, restless, afraid to leave, like she is caged and knows the patterns of her captor, knows what will happen if she tries to make an escape.
Attempting to manage the situation to get herself to a place of psychological and emotional safety isn’t manipulation. It’s self-defense.
Oh good grief, she wanted to go buy something, so naturally, she was up and walking around.
Geez, you people and your imaginations.
It's ridiculous that people commenting just assume that he is the abuser while she is innocent.
I understand why you have that perception. I wonder if you’ve ever experienced or directly witnessed emotional abuse. I sincerely hope you haven’t. I hope you never do.
I have. I know exactly what it looks and feels like to want and try to leave but to have an invisible tether that keeps you from walking away. To stay in a cage with an open door. To know that acting may result in harm to yourself or another because it has in the past.
She’s gotten up to leave but she doesn’t leave. She keeps stepping away but coming back. She keeps declaring she wants to go but it’s obvious she feels like she needs his permission so she can leave safely. From her body language, I confidently infer that the “i’m gonna fuck you up” threat is not a new act of terror.
And you know what, I believe her. But I want you to be right. I hope she wasn’t abused. God knows that is trauma that sticks.
There is not enough information for a proper judgement to be made. The proficient manipulator is the one that does it where even while watching it few can catch it. I do not know either party. Attempting to extrapolate the whole story is difficult from this position.
To me the Landau bully comment if true is what makes me want to side with his wife. Landau is someone that has had to deal with bullies a lot, often using humor to defend himself from them.
"The proficient manipulator is the one that does it where even while watching it few can catch it."
2 things:
1 - Even someone who has been a manipulator their entire lives can suck at it.
2 - If you look at the comments in this very post, you will see many people who cannot catch it.
And yeah, Landau is a stand up individual and I've seen him talk about it very sincerely. He talked about his own shortcomings in the same conversation so he didn't just pin blame on Crowder. In fact, he was overly generous to Crowder given all of the ways he was mistreated by him even on camera.
Are you sucking his dick? You are either actually a man or one of the biggest pick me girls I have come across.
you are utterly and pathetically delusional.
this bitch abuses her partners ^
Your comments l lead me to conclude that you’re an abuser yourself. Not just men are abusive. You’re so strong to defend him, perhaps you should ask yourself why?
No its called reading between the lines and looking at nonverbal language, and you're obviously too stupid to look at this situation with any amount of intelligence.
It's fun to watch how so many who are so offended by Crowder are also the most abusive in the comments.
Can't stand seeing yourselves on a video, can you?
all you guys that keep defending this bully just congratulations on the big a is for a-hole sign you are voluntarily pasting on your forehead.
this is how emotionally abusive relationships go. you obviously have no experience so you should shut the entire fuck up
Why the fuck don't they have 2 cars? He is fucking rich.. The answer is CONTROL>
I'm a woman and I don't see her being manipulative, I see her being scared.
that makes you one of tucker carlson's favorite names for women
I'm a woman and i am horrified by the way this man is acting
If she wasn't 8 months pregnant, I would probably agree with you. We don't have enough information. However, I feel like in the final stages of pregnancy that maybe getting your wife pregnant and simping for your wife in the last month or two of pregnancy isn't the worst thing in the world and kind of what you signed up for. Stress heavily negatively impacts fetuses in the womb. For the sake of my children, I'd probably put in some sacrifices for the sake of my children's development in the womb. Especially when it's over small things, like having to sacrifice gym time to get groceries or give the dog medicine.
Saying that "this only ends with discipline and respect", in its own way is showing an immense disrespect for her and her concerns. It's just completely dismissive of her point of view.
Even not seeing what caused the conflict, I feel like that clearly demonstrates some abusive behavior. However, maybe it was a one-off situation (albeit an extremely poorly timed one-off considering is wife is 8 months pregnant....).
yeah I'm wondering how he disciplines his wife. I can't imagine how he would have to get his children. Domineering to the extreme. Glad they are not subject to his constant "attentions."
The other thing that people forget when you are in an abusive relationship is that sometimes the victim is not going to act perfectly but that doesn't make them any less a victim. Clearly here she is trying to talk rationally and get a little time away from his craziness, maybe she has a therapist appointment to learn to deal with this, and she doesn't want to tell him, for all we know.
Ok terf
They were obviously in the middle of a argument that was not entirely captured by the film. There was no context at all. We have no idea how she behaves or what kind of passive aggressive stuff she pulls on him.
Let's maker it a tad clearer for you. He's making her put a chemical on their dogs which can harm her unborn fetus. Does that help?
Use gloves.
For all we know, the dog didn't get its meds on time. What would you call that?
THEN WHY DOENS'T HE FUCKING DO IT??
He's just sitting there smoking and whining. A truly supportive and loving husband wouldn't have given it a second thought. And before you say, "well he's busy with the show and that's her responsibilty", well if he truly cared about his unborn chilrdren he wouldn't even take that risk. Esp so becuase the woman he made an oath to expressed hesitence about it. For that reason alone he should accomidate her! You can't excuse his behaviour here, or his comments about wanting to force her to stay with him. You just can't and you know it.
Correct because men should work a 60 hour job and then come out and do all the chores. I hope every man in your life Dodges a bullet by not marrying you.
Typical female tactic....if you really loved me, you would do this or that.
You could say the same exact thing about her.
If she really loved him, that task would have been done, freeing them both for a while.
I don't get these stay at home women who act so put upon. I've known guys where the stay at home was so lazy, the men did most of the housework. Like my stepmom.
the guy was making bank. get a dog-sitter when she's in third trimester. anyone who resorts to saying "wifely duties" has lost the plot.
Not to mention a second car. I keep wondering why they only have one car, and then I realize that maybe it’s precisely so he can control her like this.
Correct because women should have no duties at all men should have all the duties and women should not be required to do anything.
I'm sure that she, like other women, expects him to do all of the 'husbandly' duties, like mowing the lawn, unstopping clogs, changing the oil in the car, fixing this and that....
what's it like slowly coming to the realization that you are an abuse enabler?
Who cares about unborn fetus's?!?
Just a clump of cells...
Unborn child
That's why you wear gloves. My dog requires a med like this, it's not a big deal. If you wear gloves there is zero risk.
SO why doesnt he do it??!?!?! why put even unncessary stress on the mother, she has a FUCKING BABY IN HER STOMACH and hes telling her to put chemicals on a dog while he sits there with a cigar in his hand. you moron
So if you get pregnant you shouldn't be required to do anything at all except eat and sit and watch TV is that right? I just can't figure out why men are opting out of marriage if I could just put my finger on it.
Thank God that women were tougher in years of yore.
The human race would have never survived if women had been as weak as they are now (true of men, too)
That's also a classic form of abuse: blame the victim.
bbox, I say this with all sincerity....you've either been so abused and gaslit so badly in your life that you've taken this absurd view, or you're an abuser yourself. Either way, please seek therapy.
Also, two wrongs don't make a right. Recognize that, regardless of what she has said or done off camera, the abuse and manipulation tactics here are CLEAR and unacceptable.
I agree with you, this truly isnt a good look for him but i also want to see when this argument because it matters. If 2 minutes before this she was being a dick to him and thats what pissed him off then that matters but if she wasnt and thats still how he was acting then Steven is a piece of shit. We need context
I guess I don’t get why *we* need to see anything. Why wouldn’t we simply believe her? Especially when all evidence, both his public and private persona, demonstrates him to be a highly aggressive, toxic, and abusive individual. And especially when his *public* statements about her and their marriage are abusive?
It’s amazing that in a case like this, when the testimony of character is overwhelmingly in a woman’s favor, so many still refuse to credit her word and demand more.
We'd need to see it or hear it from all parties involved. I don't believe anyone. This is the internet where the "truth" can be twisted in so many ways without concrete evidence, and the video clip is only of this specific moment. So no, people shouldn't just believe someone because they said something, especially if you know nothing about someone.
There is no way this incident happened without both parties being at fault at one point of another, which has built up to this moment. I've seen it time and time again in many relationships/marriages ive been close to.
It's because of people like you, who automatically blame the man based on a short video, not knowing anything else about the relationship, that causes so much skepticism in me.
I would never take your word for anything because you are proven to be so gullible and jump to conclusions with little information.
"I just want to be really, really sure that she deserved her abuse" - you, 2023.
Uhm. He's trying to make her give the dogs medicine that could harm his children. Gtfo you pick me ass bitch.
Can't
Understand
Normal
Talk
because yeah that would excuse everything he has done this week right plus this ridiculous and hateful browbeating of her. smh
Why wasn't he at the birth of his twins?
she's from Michigan, high likelihood of Upper Midwest passive aggressiveness.
just saying. his tone and statements were 100% off sides.
I’m as terfy as it gets, and everyone in my Twitter circle is condemning this clearly abusive behavior. TERFs support women over men, always - no matter how those men identify.
You must be so beaten down you don't see abuse anymore
The guys that defend this do it because they don't see it as abuse, it's probably very normal for them.
Then you have never been in an devaluing relationship and should be thanking God for that. She is not manipulating him, she is trying to diffuse his anger because she knows what will happen if she can’t. She is strong, and brave, and doesn’t put him down, she speaks truth, despite his cruel controlling and manipulative comments.
You have no knowledge of this other commenter. You are making assumptions of them JUST LIKE the assumptions you are making of the video. Neither are based in facts. Narcissistic people can very easily make their partner look “crazy” or “evil” I find much of this video to be deceptively edited…ie why insist what was said directly after the video ended was something egregious yet not show it? If you cannot show it, why say it as a definitive? If only one party states something occurred w/o evidence it’s complete speculation.
Ooh seriously wake up.
I am woke and I'm sick of the way women whine about everything being 'abuse.' I'm sick of seeing men blamed for bad behavior when their wives/girlfriends are just as good at giving it back.
Especially since they turn around and claim that they are as strong as men. It is so pathetic.
lmao these fucking "conservatives" cant understand anything. Candace Owens is clearly an upset fuckin loser and got butt hurt over him turning down daily wire.... mrs candace "im not gonna bad mouth crowder but heres 50 bad mouth remarks...." owens lmao.... and the wife clearly had a motive with giving this foootage out of context
it's funny because nobody actually says "i'm woke" except a conservative trying to cosplay a liberal. That's how you know this person is a) a dude and b) a conservative and c) a domestic abuser.
well that's good cause I'm not woke, to me Trump is a big government liberal. but I also think conservatives have really made themselves look like hateful dumbasses Especially for the last seven years.
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You're the opposite of woke, hun, and you're pathetic as fuck.
well thanks for telling us that you hate women and you like to abuse and domineer, I am quite sure you radiate this quality to everybody around you so that only the women who want to be dominated and abused will be prospects for you.
not really a fan of Candace Owens either because I am quite sure she is one of those women who you guys are all complaining about. Her birth story was bullshit nonsense and full of medical misinformation.
kys
sounds like you don't understand how to de-escalate an argument.
you are gross.
She is being even more manipulative-the man is just pissed because it's the 1000th time she pulled this crap. She knows he needs to use the car for work but her sudden emergency nail appointment should take priority over his. Classic case of female abuse. And she is playing for the camera. To deflect the manipulation and falsely make the man the agressor, every abusive & manipuplating woman only needs to do is cry, make a pouty face when she doesn't get her way, and and say "I love you" when abusing him. Men remember AWALT, it's just a matter of degree.
$100 says this guy has a criminal record that includes domestic abuse.
He didn’t need the car for work. He said she could use the car is she walked the dogs and gave them medicine. He was punishing her for not wanting to do that while 8 months pregnant with twins. What man acts like that and then threatens his pregnant wife? He’s a faggot.
LOL he said he needed the car to go to the gym and see his friends! Just fully making shit up to cover for some dude who doesn't know you're alive! He's a millionaire, son! He could BUY a new car tomorrow if he wanted one. There is one reason why he has one car: so he can control his spouse.
One car....really!!! Guys worth millions.
Exactly. He's a control freak doosh.
You are a horrible human
oh I see you're the sort that tells a woman "I'm sorry but you made me hit you" uhhh
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Username checks out. You are a gem.
Wow dude nail appointment? Do you always just make shit up to make your points
And YOU are JUST as bad, if not worse, than those making statements that she’s completely innocent and he is abusive.
What we see looks pretty horrible regardless of context and Crowder seems to agree. But the context can make a difference - this could in fact be the 1000 time she’s challenging him and he blows his lid in response to that history rather than to the current situation. In a way that is horrible and abusive and he should have apologized for and in fact may have done it.
She was most likely the wrong choice, as was Landau, who’s a sniveling cunt derailing the show when Crowder is about to make a point. Both sort-of “tricked” him into committing and Crowder seems unable to accept and cut his losses, which is tbh so ugh and painful… He wants some sort of revenge, and that’s through abuse, and that can and has been turned against him.
Gerald or his father seem competent and loyal and should be able to help him navigate emotionally difficult situations. He needs to let them.
How the 'Grift Right' Gimps for the Left . . . Steven Crowder almost became Mel Gibson and Kanye West by accident . . .
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/how-the-grift-right-gimps-for-the
Yikes
I'm also conservative and a traditionalist, and I'm not afraid to call this what it is - wrong and abusive. If you can't admit that some conservatives are bad people and/or commit bad acts, you're in denial, and you probably aren't very confident about your own beliefs. I'm comfortable enough in my own beliefs to not think I have to endorse Crowder just because he shares the same political label as I do. He's seemed "off" to me for a long time, this only adds to it.
IF YOU ARE “CONSERVATIVE” and yet you haven’t watched parts of statements being used to screw people over then I have to believe you are being disingenuous. “Calling people out” should be done without making biased judgements, w/o using the assumption of how you would react in the situation as a basis for him positively being at fault. MOST people have just stated that there isn’t enough context or knowledge about their relationship to say either way.
There is zero abuse here. You're simply fucktarded.
Both psychological and verbal abuse. "I'm going to f$ck you up" is a violent threat. Your last word isn't part of the English language either.
Except NO ONE, including you, heard that statement so you are basing your argument on assumptions
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All men are born of a woman, married or not . . . Judaism is matriarchy . . . Jews trace their lineage through the women . . . Catholicism is the red headed stepchild of Judaism, Pope Father Bergoglio and all that patriarchy at the Vatican is nothing but a policy to spread the other cheek of altar boys.
OK what's your point?
You should probably take off your tinfoil hat. It’s not a good look.
found the guy who beats his wife
if you don't get shot when you're busy shooting up your school because no girl wants to go to prom with you, you're going to die alone, you incel loser.
again another guy here who is advertising to the world that he would like to be able to abuse women like Crowder does.
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You are disturbed. And Reported.
No, you're just a pathetic c*nt who proves the point you can just say whatever you want and pretend your accusation is evidence.
Now get a clue, then GFY with it.
Thanks.
is that you, Crowder?
pathetic d*ck.
You cannot convince me you have never been in an argument that was worse than this.
i haven't because i'm not a domestic abuser, like you evidently are.
A) NO. B) YIKES. Way to tell on yourself.
well not when I was eight months pregnant, yes I have been terrible at times to my husband of 30+ years especially in my 20s and he has been exceedingly patient with me. And yes Crowder is absolutely abusive. Steven Crowder claims to be a Christian right? That means he is to lay down his life even as Christ laid his life down for the church. I don't see him laying any life down here he's just browbeating her like a good old Pharisee threatening to throw the first stone. (though he has clearly been stoning her figuratively for a long time, this is a very familiar unhealthy pattern to them, you can tell by the way it is being done).
I don't doubt the possibility that she used to give it back to him but when you realize that that just fuels him more she learned how to Gray rock. And as she learned healthier communication habits he has gotten worse which is a very typical when you try to resist bad relationship behavior the sick one who doesn't want to change gets even worse. (incidentally, I would bet she has been seeing a therapist for her own sanity in secret and Stephen is probably pissed off that he doesn't know where she is at every second of the day).
for sure, it's only a stopgap measure.
what would that prove even if someone was in a similar argument? Nothing. There are people who behave like Crowder and it doesn't make Crowder's behavior less abusive.
OK ABUSER! WOW! Even if I was an asshole, I am entirely too intelligent to ever utter those kinds of words to a woman.
No, unfortunately you refuse to see that it IS possible that a woman could be manipulative. This scenario COULD BE EITHER she COULD be being manipulative AND he COULD be being abusive. There is no way to know without more video or factual information.
Intelligent well measured men, even if under manipulation, NEVER say the things this creature said. Even if she is the most wicked witch on the planet, she is of no threat to him and he need not be so aggressive. I can't stand so called men who raise their voices and posture aggressively toward women- they always act differently when a man is present. And, since my wife has bore me many many children, I can tell you she would never be asked to deal with stuffing pills up my dog's anus when she is 8 months pregnant, or pregnant at all for that matter. A real man would not expect that.
I can't think of any medication that dogs take that way. However it's beside the point. She apparently had to hang up about handling the dogs medication because she was pregnant and didn't want it to affect the babies. Regardless of whether her fear was rational, Crowder was abusive towards her about it.
wow. No one here is saying that Hillary is perfect or that she ever hasn't dished out something similar (quite possibly she used to and then realized it was not healthy and found other ways to try and communicate, deescalate, and set boundaries). But we are commenting on is the video. In that video Crowder is being abusive.
It's really very simple.
You're not wrong.
Anyone that can look at this and hand wave it as hes not an abusive person, especially when he admitted to threatening to "fuck you up," is most likely very much the same.
If anyone sees this. Run from people like this. Immediately.
bingo my dear.
Gentlemen, if a lady you're interested in runs away after you make a remark like that, you got lucky.
All I have to say to you is that if you think Crowder's behavior here is okay, normal, and healthy, you will never, ever have a happy marriage and you will die alone and miserable.
Crowder appears to me a Narccisist on Steroids! This turd now scares me. His wife was 8 months pregnant....and we get this 3 year old tantrum behaviour. Shame....Shame...Shame on this Psychopath!
I think IF this 3 min clip is representative of how he usually is (which we don't know) then sounds v anti social and I think he has a personality I'd hate to date someone with....having an off putting controlling personality is not abuse.
he's literally ordering her around and screaming about discipline and making her do things that are dangerous to her health but there's no abuse? fuck you you disingenuous shit
If I worked a shift starting at 6 am and then came home and found out I couldn't leave the house the rest of the day because my wife didn't walk the dogs or get groceries (maybe 1-2 hours total of pretty light work) I'd be pretty upset. I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry. If that was done to me and my wife tried to say "I love you" despite consistently not holding up her far more leisurely end of the marriage I would be even more upset. Add on top of that that Crowder's "elective surgery" mentioned in the article was a heart and then a separate collapsed lung surgery, meaning his wife did this while he was on the verge of dying, I'd be pretty damn upset.
Eight months pregnant with twins is hardly 'leisurely. It's not that she didn't walk the dogs, it's that she was afraid the meds would be toxic to her unborn children if handled (he wanted her to do it as a power play/punishment, as he clearly could have stopped smoking his cigar long enough to do it) I also doubt this dude works 60-80 hours a week. And yes, it was elective surgery that could have been scheduled at any time and he chose to do so shortly before she gave birth. And also didn't show up for the birth, what a great start to being an involved dad.
I remember when I was eight months pregnant, how my husband was always ordering me to walk his dogs.
Oh wait, no, he went to the store every day to buy me every bottle of juice in town.
Crowder is putrid. I hope his wife runs away fast and far including taking the children with her.
your girl knew what she was getting when she married him and had his kids shes a putrid breeder of the putrid. I married a deranged asshole, had his deranged asshole kids, I'm shocked I got a deranged asshole.
You doubt he works 60-80 hours per week?! LMAO!!
Obviously you have NO IDEA what it takes to run a company with employees... delusional.
"work"... lol, good one.
Hun, CEOs work less than most people. He has people who do all the time-consuming stuff. He just shows up and yaks into a microphone for a few hours.
He doesn't work a 6AM shift, he's not on his feet for hours, he is a *podcaster*. You cannot apply your circumstances to his and pretend that justifies his outrageous behavior. In addition you are comparing your own situation to that of A MILLIONAIRE. He makes enough money that he could easily buy his wife a car for her own needs - if he wanted. This isn't about the car. This is about controlling her movements.
For that kind of money, he could buy a 2nd car, and hire a housekeeper, cook, and dog walker, too, to unburden his wife so she can focus on birthing and then tending his healthy babies.
Who cares?
She can leave him if she pleases.
Easy.
None of this rose above the level of childish tantrum.
She DID leave him, because he's an abusive piece of shit, who throws "childish tantrums."
You are seriously unwell, and your worldview is profoundly fucked. You are also absolutely delusional if you think what Steven Crowder does for "work" is remotely close to being described as "working 60-80 hours a week". Steven Crowder is a complete hack and the worst kind of grifter. It's very apt that filth like you would be so drawn to him.
Understandable why you are so upset over someone using bad words and name calling. You clearly know all about it.
This thread is a riot!
It seems like you may be applying your own life situation a bit too much here to steven's. He very clearly is telling her that if she doesn't obey everything he tells her to do then she doesn't love him, and he doesn't love her. His love is conditional on her obeying his every command. He was CLEAR on that.
Also, did you hear what he was saying? He wanted her to pick up all of the groceries and do MULTIPLE errands in an uber, yet...couldn't he do the same, and it'd be easier for him to do so? Also, he said he couldn't even CALL his friends (watch it again). This is a classic case of "pile on", where they try to give a list of all these things to make it sound like they are MORE inconvenienced than you, but he slipped up here with that absurd comment. Bottom line: an uber for him to a friends and back is a LOT easier for him than her taking one all arnd town and WITH groceries. So why do this, then? He's just a clearly controlling person.
Also, his wife "did this?" He screamed "I'll fuck you up" inside the house to his 8 month pregnant (with twins) wife. He's admitted this himself. You've clearly never been in an abusive relationship like this. I have. THIS IS FRIGHTENING. Is it your opinion she should stay with a man who is clearly abusive and, according to her family, has been for years, because it was bad timing for HIM?! SHE is not the one being abusive and threatening violence, HE is. This was HIS FAULT. HE did this, and he reaps what he sows.
Ok, and?
Crowder is a jerk for sure.
That’s about it.
End of story.
This post really brought out some hardcore mental illness in some people.
Ah yes, because the majority of people who are disagreeing you must be mentally ill.
Kind of seems like you're telling on yourself.
If I was "on the verge of dying" because of lung problems, I wouldn't smoke a cigar. Pull the other one mate, no-one's buying it. Or just stop defending an abusive POS
This is such a garbage point of view. I work 80 hour weeks on a regular basis. If my wife was eight months pregnant, and I didn't have the time to do the tasks she normally would have, I would either hire someone to do it, or call family in for additional support. Being a garbage human to her would not ever be an option, regardless of how hard I might work for however many hours.
It sounds as though you are accustomed to "building a case" as to why completely unacceptable behavior on your part is always the other person's fault.
No wonder your name is Ronald McDonald because you're a clown.
Wow, now explain why she’s also “not allowed” to have someone come pick her up? Would her father have a right to pick up his daughter?
Yep this is definitely not an an abusive man ranting about “obedience” and whether she has a right to disengage belligerent conflict seeking. It’s not about dominance seeking. This is about a tired man smoking a cigar on his patio and how badly he really needs the car. He could take that uber as well, or you know, hire someone to do the labor he exploits a heavily pregnant woman performing for him for free. How many hours of domestic labor must she put in, how much time as chef, personal shopper, personal assistant, maid, laundress, pet sitter must she log to his benefit, to earn enough travel credits 🤣? After all, she didn’t earn enough social credits to apparently call whoever the F she wanted to come pick her up. Maybe he’s have left her the F alone if she put in her FMLA request to get the F off her back. If you ever told your wife you didn’t love her if she didn’t pass your dog med p-ss test, then escalated to screaming a physcial threat when she disengaged you, you’re a domestic abuser.
Don't know what to tell you dude except that if you're bending over backwards to invent a scenario in which Crowder is not an abuser, then you're probably one too.
I work about 60-80 hours a week. I've never, ever treated my partner like this. This isn't normal, and if you think it is, you aren't normal either. You're an abuser.
A second car could have solved all this. He comes across as an asshole, but isn't the occasional argument in a relationship fairly normal?
Pretty much.
All this ranting about him killing her and the like is really telling.
These are the same kinds of people you see screaming in the streets.
They’re insane.
Crowder is def a jerk.
She should leave him.
But none of this was interesting and very mundane normal argument by a guy who doesn’t respect his wife.
Doesn’t mean it’s abuse.
Being a jerk is not a crime.
These people here are funny to watch.
You are obviously unhappy. This book should really be called Handbook to Happiness. I hope you will read it.
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so what you're saying is you're an abusive partner, and complete garbage.
"a shift starting at 6 am"
Dude, he's not working at McDonalds. He's a wealthy man. HE COULD HIRE HELP IF HE WANTED. Why are y'all pretending he's some downtrodden everyman? Are you that snowed?
And guess what? If you want a home and a family, you have to pull your own weight, and that includes doing more when your spouse is about to give birth to twins.
lol, "I'd be pretty upset"... yeah, somehow i don't doubt you in the slightest.
Baby Huey could have bought a second fucking CAR...even a third fucking car by now. His CONTROL over HER whereabouts was far more important than his pwecious fweedom apparently. DERP!
You don't even see how ridiculous you look do you?
You just set the standard that being verbally vicious is "abuse" ...then you do it yourself!!!
Lol ...and people 'like' it lol no wonder your country's so screwed up with mass shootings and people diagnosing themselves with mental illnesses they don't have based on an internet search. You people are a parody of yourselves.
There's nothing wrong with abusing dumb fucks like you online. Abusing your partner on the otherhand is very deranged behavior.
At least you know what you are.
You have that much insight, at least.
Hypocrisy is the defining trademark of the left. They always do that which they condemn. It’s practically their entire platform.
How the 'Grift Right' Gimps for the Left . . . Steven Crowder almost became Mel Gibson and Kanye West by accident . . .
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/how-the-grift-right-gimps-for-the
You can't make that judgement off a 3 minute video. You have no idea what's gone on inside that marriage. We have no context on how abusive she's been which could justify these responses from Steven. And I don't mean justify as in the correct response, but justify them within their toxic relationship.
When emotional abuse is going back and forth in a toxic relationship this type of talk would be common for both people in the relationship. It doesn't make that okay for Steven to talk like that, but if both people are doing it then this clip becomes a nothing-burger. They're in a toxic relationship and should seek marriage counseling. This clip makes it look one sided.
No need for marriage counseling. She chose her safety and that of her kids and left him.
My point was if she was doing this to him too then they need marriage counseling. You can't make a conclusive judgement off a 3 minute video. If both are guilty then they most certainly need marriage counseling! Long before a divorce. There are kids involved.
Kids involved that he couldn't be bothered to attend their birth. Not a promising start to involved parenting, but you might feel differently.
How about from the article underneath where it says that her family is the one that leaked that video and more, and says that he's been emotionally abusing her for years, and he admits he has a volcanic temper that he can't control.
Or this
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164921/Detroit-mother-killed-2-kids-no-parole-sentence.html
The Jewish god is a fraud.
Far more depressed women kill their kids than the dads do.
You could argue that. You could also take note of what he's saying to her and realize that her reactions are far more mature than his. She offered to get anything he needed, and food is objectively something a person needs - hence the grocery store trip. He was only talking about 'potentials' as far as what he might have needed the car for - to see his friends, go to the gym, or visit his parents. Did he actually have those things planned or was it just a 'what if'? Was he sincerely thinking about her needs and that of the household (cooking dinner, by default, requires the resources to do so) or was he just prioritizing his own 'what if's? She tries to set boundaries. She tries to tell him that the anger is unnecessary. He responds with 'you need discipline' and a childish freak-out. Just listen to 'that doesn't work eeeeither' around 1:10 and tell me that's not the tone of a kid throwing a tantrum.
Also, couldn’t HE take an Uber if HE decided he needed to go somewhere before she got back? And why doesn’t she have her own car? CONTROL. He didn’t want her to go anywhere without his permission or she would have had autonomy.
he has something in the car he doesn't want her to know about. hence not wanting her to use it...?
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Pffft. She is obviously as manipulative as him.
I agree with your former comment but I'm clearly seeing it from a different perspective. You're right, he could have taken an Uber to go anywhere he wanted. She could have, too, but I've also been in the situation where I had to take Ubers to the grocery store (seizure disorder meant I couldn't drive myself) and waiting the 20 minutes for someone to show up, get you there, and then wait on the curb for ANOTHER 20 minutes - assuming it's not rush hour, in which case it'll take longer - turns a 30-minute grocery trip into, and I can vouch for this personally, a two-hour one. It's not reasonable to tell someone to just 'take an Uber' for something like that considering she's also going to have to load and unload her groceries from that Uber while EIGHT MONTHS PREGNANT. Whoever thinks that isn't a huge handicap has clearly never carried a child.
Orrr maybe she's used to dealing with his abusive ass and is trying to placate him.
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"You can't make that judgement off a 3 minute video."
You have clearly never been in a relationship with an abusive person like SC and have no understanding of this type of domestic abuse.
"When emotional abuse is going back and forth in a toxic relationship"
She, as an 8 months pregnant woman, did not want to touch chemicals she was concerned might be harmful to her and her children; he became emotionally and verbally abusive, gaslighting her. She repeatedly had to reassure him in his vile outburst that she loved him as a means of soothing his temper. Any person who has been in a relationship with a man like this knows exactly what is going on here. She, on the other hand, exhibited no toxic behavior.
If he was treating his pregnant wife like this on a casual Saturday, berating her, gaslighting her, being emotionally abusive, and threatening her with physical violence, saying he would "fuck her up" (which happens after they go inside, and is not on the video, but is something he apparently admits that he did), this incident is 100% not isolated.
You do not "seek marriage counseling" with a person like SC. You divorce him, get as far away as possible, and keep your children from being in his presence unsupervised.
There’s no way she was behaving as terribly as he was. Also note how calm she was, she knows. She’s been down that road with him and she knows it’s in her best interest to remain calm or he or other asshats like you can try to flip the script. You clearly have never dealt with this kind of behavior in any of your relationships, and you very clearly think that this is 2 sided when it’s quite obvious it is not. Good for her for leaving his piece of shit ass and shame on you for thinking she was part of the problem.
Monogamy is a hackneyed tenet of religion.
one-trick spankler.
He used the word "discipline" towards his wife which is a word you use for a dog or a small unruly child. Your opinion is null and void.
Wrong, they’re hypocrites who will condemn someone for “verbal abuse”, and then proceed to demonstrate why they are leftists by fully embracing that which they condemn by swearing and name calling till they are blue in the face anyone who disagrees with them.
It’s pretty funny tbh.
You’re trying to reason with the mentally ill. Good luck with that.
Uh, we actually do have more context. The article underneath.
And you're doing exactly what you're accusing others of doing, only you're doing it to cover for Steven Crowder, for some weird reason.
Holly, don't let internet manosphere trolls get you down. These people with nutty views like this are everywhere, and thankfully 99% of women have deduced they aren't worthy of their time.
He did none of those things.
He just kept repeating don’t take the car. He never screamed once.
Being 8mo pregnant does not preclude one from doing normal activities like shopping.
You’re a liar.
Huh. It's interesting that of the two people in that conversation, one of them WASN'T pregnant with twins and was capable of getting an Uber to go to the gym (like he said he wanted the car for) and is also a multimillionaire who could buy another car today if he wanted to.
Dick ride much?
these crowder fluffers are f*cking hilarious.
Seriously. It’s impressive how well he’s got them snowed.
You’re hyperbolic.
You're gaslighting.
You’re hysterical.
Proving my point with a classic gaslighting line
He talked about discipline and respect.
We don't know the whole story.
And he wasn't screaming. This is why I'm now so skeptical of women's perceptions. They exaggerate so much.
Yes he talked about discipline and respect towards his wife, which is a clear indicator of how little he thinks of her and what he expects the power dynamic to be. I'm sorry you're too ill to understand that.
He raises his voice a few times. You can hear it again as he follows her inside. Also in the article he says he has a "volcanic temper" that he can't control..
also don't blame me for your misogyny, you're the one doing backflips to find a way to exonerate this man when the situation couldn't be clearer. Ask yourself why it's so hard for you to call a spade a spade.
you're skeptical of your own perceptions? holy sh*t, every comment of yours is more demented than the last.
Abusers like you just can't help themselves, can they?
cutting off someone's access to a car, getting angry when she says she'll be back when she'll be back, demanding that SHE feed HIS dogs medicine (that may or may not be toxic to PREGNANT WOMEN), a steady stream of berating her, saying she's a bad, selfish wife, etc. all of those things are abusive. hope this helps.
Love his comment about “respecting the men”.
my guess is she told him she was too tired that morning in bed
This was abusive, but hard to tell if this is a moment of passion. My wife and I both get angry at eachother sometimes and say unreasonable stuff that we later regret and apologize for. I feel like that's pretty much every marriage. But if he is always like that, it's definitely no good.
if you can't hear the deep, resigned frustration and fear in her voice, you're either willfully obtuse or an abuser yourself.
Resigned frustration? I feel that's a pretty common theme in marriage. I'm often frustrated that I make about 85% of the income, pay all the bills, and am left as the lone stay at home dad most of the time because my wife has a travel job (which I support most of the time but it's real easy to feel anger when the stresses pile up). I've given up fighting it and probably come off. She definitely shows resigned frustration at my occasional recreational drug use. People are flawed and part of marriage is adapting to/accepting the flaws of your partner, where I feel resigned frustration plays a part.
My gut says this guy probably does this often given the fact that she is pregnant. I glanced over that detail. If there is ever a time to try to minimize the stress of your partner, it's when she is pregnant.
you heteros are in the trenches, man. this sounds like an awful way to live. but good luck with all that.
Her comment, "she'll be back when she gets back," is like giving him the finger.
Women can cry abuse all they want to, it sounds like she is a passive aggressive - which is just as damaging to a relationship. Note he says he has been loved by her. There is something very wrong, and it's been going on for a long time, and she is definitely part of the problem. Saying over and over, "Steven, I love you," is just talking down at him without resolving any issue.
Yeah, she married Steven Fucking Crowder, so obviously there's something wrong with her. But really, it sounds like you are just dying to suck Crowder off, so now that his wife left him, maybe you have a shot. You should be rejoicing.
Saying she loves him is talking down at him? You have literal brain damage.
awww poor stevie the multimillionaire who could buy a car today if he really wanted to go to the gym that bad.
you're so lost in the sauce, hun
seriously, she can use gloves if she is worried about toxicity.
"I'll be back when I'm back."
That is just as incendiary as anything he was saying.
You sound like a lonely incel. Stop putting it off, suicide is your salvation.
They claim to be a woman so she's probably an acolyte of Pearl aka Justpearlythings.
No, I've seen firsthand how manipulative women can get with men. My sister used to pull crap on my brother in law, then he would pull crap on her. All it did was cause a lot of tension as they couldn't put a lid on it while others were around.
It was ridiculous; however, both were very much at fault....arguing over such stupid stuff.
Like crowder's wife whining about the toxicity of some rx for the dog - there is a simple solution, use gloves. I can't imagine not giving needed drugs to a dog over some hysterical fear of toxicity, so I can't blame crowder for being irked, because it is so stupid. Geez, when my dad was using a drug that could be absorbed by the skin, I used gloves. I suppose I could have whined, refused to give my dad his meds (he had dementia), whined about getting a neighbor to handle the drugs. But I used gloves - simple solution.
His wife sounds like a major cry-baby (as she demonstrated by crying, another manipulative tactic used by women), even if he was more responsible for the problems between the two.
She was crying because she was 8 months pregnant and told her husband "I love you" which he responded with "I don't love you, that's the problem." To his pregnant wife.
And you can't blame someone who across this entire scenario could have given the dogs the medication, over a woman *8 months pregnant* who has a *rational* fear of it harming them. You can say handle gloves, but there's a dude sitting on a bench berating his wife smoking a cigarette, and then there's an 8 month pregnant woman getting prepared to *still* run a ton of errands. I think the dude who's just lounging around screaming obscenities at his wife could probably have handled it.
Also your previous comment about being passive aggressive being "just as bad", no, no it isn't. Getting fed up and saying "I'll be back when I'm back" (which also can just mean "dude I don't know, I don't have an exact timeline") is not the same as telling your pregnant wife you don't love her, and following her inside to scream "I WILL FUCK YOU UP"
It wasn't on video but he literally *confirmed* he said it.
At the end of the day, if your stance is
A) Make the pregnant wife do the dangerous thing instead of the husband who is also available to do it
B) 8 month pregnant women are barred from crying or else they're manipulative
C) Passive-Aggressiveness is just as bad as Demeaning someone, insulting them, telling them you don't love them, and verbally threatening them
D) His complaints are valid but hers are not, and you can't tell what she's done outside this argument but you won't take that same line of thinking for him
Then IDK what to tell you. Because all are very unhinged thoughts.
kill yourself you fucking retard.
you're a liar, you're not a woman.
'I'll be back when I'm back' is just saying she's not able to determine what time she'll be home. Sometimes that's impossible to know due to traffic patterns or the line at the check-out. The fact that you see such as statement as incendiary is, frankly, concerning.
Oh bs. Her comment was an f-u, I'll be back whenever I feel like it, and you (hubbie) can stuff it. If there was concern about the car use, she could have said, I'll just pick up a few items and be back quickly.
I would bet she has stranded him before by taking the car.
I've seen these ridiculous tricks played by spouses before.
JUST SAY YOU HATE WOMEN AND BE DONE WITH IT, FFS. We’re tired of reading your misogynistic, incel comments. So sick of you sociopaths. If you hate women so much, DON’T BE WITH ONE, problem solved, you sick f*.
LOL "stranded" HE'S RICH, you dingus. HE COULD TAKE THE UBER; HE COULD HIRE A DRIVER. HE'S NOT A HELPLESS BABY, HE'S A BIG MUSCLY MAN and you act like he's completely incapable. Which, it certainly seems like he is. Since he ran from the marriage before she did, and tried to cut her, his wife who was taking care of his children, off.
rope
you are a shameless lying sack-o-sh*t.
It is not, and you should take some time to reflect on your failures as a person and a partner.
Ummm a controlling personality that leads to an attempt to umm "control" another person, a person you view as needing to submit to you, is the definition of being abusive. What would qualify as abuse to you?
Just bc its not physical abuse doesn't mean it isn't abusive. He was telling her she couldn't take the car & that if she didn't do what he wanted, it means she isn't doing her wifely duties. He's making his problem w her behavior & turning it around on her as if she's the one who needs to change instead of him. She brings up the fact what he's doing is abuse & he says "watch it. Fucking watch it" in a way i interpret as threatening bc he doesn't want to be called out for his bad behavior. I don't care what you call it- anti social or a controlling personality... Its abuse. Those are the ppl who have abusive violent tendencies. Personalities like anti-social or other personality disorders. I really hope you wouldn't excuse someone behaving this way as "not abuse".
If I worked a shift starting at 6 am and then came home and found out I couldn't leave the house the rest of the day because my wife didn't walk the dogs or get groceries (maybe 1-2 hours total of pretty light work) I'd be pretty upset. I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry. If that was done to me and my wife tried to say "I love you" despite consistently not holding up her far more leisurely end of the marriage I would be even more upset. Add on top of that that Crowder's "elective surgery" mentioned in the article was a heart and then a separate collapsed lung surgery, meaning his wife did this while he was on the verge of dying, I'd be pretty damn upset.
If I worked 60 - 80 hours a week and couldn't afford a second car so my partner and I could grocery shop and socialize at the same time, I'd be asking how I fucked up so badly.
If we only had one car and the dogs needed to be walked and take their medicine, I'd do that myself while my partner ran errands.
Having a job doesn't excuse anyone from a share of maintaining the home they share with other people. Owning dogs doesn't make them someone else's responsibility. Directing a very pregnant partner to handle toxic chemicals, when I've got nothing better to do than sit around with a cigar, would make me ashamed.
You own multiple vehicles then they accuse you of not being green enough. You can't win.
why didn't he get the fucking Uber then?
How is being pregnant fuckin' 'leisurely'?
Ofc it's a man, who will never be pregnant or have to suffer extreme physical discomfort and consequences because of the effort to Continue The Human Race, that thinks this.
Couldn't Steven have taken the Uber?
LOL you are so fucking retarded. If he was having lung and heart issues why the fuck was he smoking a cigar around his PREGNANT WIFE.
God just fucking kill yourself the world will be better off without retards like you in it.
No need to post a third time.
This chick would murder her own kids if they made her mad:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164921/Detroit-mother-killed-2-kids-no-parole-sentence.html
Third post of this. We get it.
This comment is 100% defamation
Ray, quick question, can you define the "Actual Malice" standard used in defamation cases?
Didn't think so.
What do you suggest? Arrest half of the population for being "controlling"? Get a grip
Half the population isn't as deranged and abusive as Crowder, but there are certainly a number of people who seem to be okay with abusing women like yourself that I wouldn't mind seeing locked up. It's make everyone else safer.
Now that's an intriguing idea. Maybe detain them as long as it takes for them to learn to treat other people like independent beings who get to do what they want. I like it
I mean shit, lets go further lets just kill off all these fucks?
The north should have killed everyone in the south when they won the civil war. We'd have to deal with less dumb fucks.
Simping for a guy who tells his 8 month pregnant wife he is going to F her up is having an off putting personality, actually telling your 8th month pregnant wife you are going to F her up is a personality disorder. Know the difference.
well, both are kind of indicative of a personality disorder
This is 100% abusive, full stop. Take a long look inward if you don’t think it is.
Telling your very pregnant wife to take an Uber and to give medicine that is toxic to her and the unborn children, to his fucking dogs is most certainly a form of abuse. And he was very clearly projecting by saying that she was boxing him in and that she was preventing him from seeing people because she needed to go to the store for whatever bullshit he apparently wanted. And why exactly does someone with as much money as him only have one car? I’m guessing it’s so he can keep his wife stranded at home. That man is a piece of shit and so are you for defending him. You can both rot in hell.
That’s an excellent point about the car. I was wondering if anyone was going to mention that. Crowder has always struck me as an abusive, domineering jackass to whom it would be hell to be married. I hope she gets every penny she’s entitled to.
Exactly. I guess it matters not when SHE is stuck at home without a car ALL DAY when he's working or doing what HE wants with the SINGLE vehicle.
It certainly IS abuse. Just because he has a problem doesn’t mean he can treat others that way.
He literally said "I will fuck you up" to his pregnant wife. Are you retarded?
Of all the words he said, this phrase was the most notable and deserving of a reference, which makes it odd that it is left out, if you can put aside your political allegiances for a minute.
Reference, besides a clearly anti-Crowder article that says he said that? I'm honestly trying to ascertain that this is true.
Not only is he exhibiting CLINICAL signs of an abusive partner, he's also showing traits of narcissism. The people who cannot see this and support him, even after he said he's done abusive things are not normal. They are not mentally normal.
well narcissism and abuse tend to go hand-in-hand
It's mean, but does not rise to the level of "abuse".
You know what impresses me the most about you people is that you're gaslighting on behalf of Steven Crowder. You're basically doing the "you're overreacting" tactic that is extremely common for abusers to use on their victims.
You don’t know the other side. And did she know the camera was recording? If she did…ALL of this is BS.
You have brain worms.
Ok
Based reply. For what its worth I dont think you have brain worms.
Although seeing as you weren't bothered by their insult I cant imagine it will be worth much to you that I disagree with them.
People who have Ring cameras know they record. That includes him. Unless ordering and installing Ring cameras is another duty she has to perform for him and he forgot about it.
probably another way he can keep track of her. it's a security camera and a wife monitor! now how much would you pay?
You know nothing about this relationship from this clip. My wife has duties and I have duties as a husband. Maybe you have a rich husband that allows you to go to the spa and do nothing for o contribute to the relationship. If that’s not true, then you have duties as a wife as well. This is dumb.
"duties"? wtf century are you posting from?
How about from the article underneath the clip. If you didn't read that, stop talking.
What contributing was he doing in this scenario btw? Was he helpless and unable to buy groceries for himself? You realize he IS the rich husband here? Right? he's rich. He has millions. He can hire help. He can buy another car anytime he wants.
you sound like a real catch😑
and he didn't know the camera was there you fucking retard?
Go suck on Crowders nuts more.
You seem obsessed with cock and balls. I’ll pass. I think you might enjoy them more. You should give him a call.
we don't need to know the other side, there is nothing she could've done that made this "response" by him OK.
She seems like someone who is passive aggressive.
You seem like a deeply misogynistic woman. Unfortunate.
No, I've seen abusive relationships up close, and it isn't always the man's fault. I've seen women, like my sister, deliberately and repeatedly provoke men (her husband).
So, no, I don't automatically take the women's side, especially when the context is not provided (why was Crower angry to begin with?). They have obviously been at loggerheads for some time, and to assume it is all the man's fault, which has been fashionable for decades, is ridiculous.
How the 'Grift Right' Gimps for the Left . . . Steven Crowder almost became Mel Gibson and Kanye West by accident . . .
https://cwspangle.substack.com/p/how-the-grift-right-gimps-for-the
Could be. All I know is this video alone proves nothing. Let me sit in on their counseling sessions or read their divorce file from court.
so you're never going to be able to do that unless he releases the info which he has threatened to do… (and that always convinces everybody that you're not the abuser when you threaten to release private info) 🙄
So why are you here commenting about how nobody should have an opinion about this? All you're doing is broadcasting your own blindness and hypocrisy.
What bums me out the most about people like you, is that you appear 100% ready to convict someone based on one single edited 3 minute video clip and the claims from one side of the dispute.
You act as if 3 minutes of video cannot contain a lot of information. And you say "convict" like I'm going to personally send him to prison. That's up for courts to decide if there was legal wrongdoing. But I am making a personal judgement, that this is abuse, and I am VERY confident in that judgement.
It aint what you don't know that get's you into trouble. It's what you DO know, that just aint so.
-Mark Twain-
"Only losers quote Mark Twain on the internet"
-Albert Einstein-
I see Crowder's new ball-sweat cologne 'Scro' as your signature fragrance in the not too distant future.
and your point is
a 3 minute glimpse into his heart.... I don't judge the incident, I judge his mouth. Right or wrong his tone is abusive and weak. His heart on full display
crowder's otherwise miserable life and persona is all the context this video needs.
He destroyed professional relationships on top of his personal ones. You must be on drugs.
You're pretending that Crowder doesn't have years of his behavior recorded and available online for people to make an informed decisions as to his character or lack thereof from.
You might genuinely be this ignorant, but the people condemning Crowder are certainly not.
you know what bums me out, how many people think that they can't see that this is abusive from this three minute video plus everything else Steven has done publicly about this for the last week or whatever.
If I worked a shift starting at 6 am and then came home and found out I couldn't leave the house the rest of the day because my wife didn't walk the dogs or get groceries (maybe 1-2 hours total of pretty light work) I'd be pretty upset. I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry. If that was done to me and my wife tried to say "I love you" despite consistently not holding up her far more leisurely end of the marriage I would be even more upset. Add on top of that that Crowder's "elective surgery" mentioned in the article was a heart and then a separate collapsed lung surgery, meaning his wife did this while he was on the verge of dying, I'd be pretty damn upset.
"I know I wouldn't be at this level but if this kept happening over years despite me working 60-80 hours a week I would be surprised if I somehow didn't get resentful and angry."
This is really funny. All the Crowder simps in this thread are saying that this clip doesn't show a pattern of behavior from Crowder, that he was probably just REALLY upset in this one clip, and most of the time he's probably just a really nice happy old teddy bear who loves his wife unconditionally.
But NOW we're assuming YEARS of bad/lazy/unacceptable behavior from the pregnant wife.
I can see right through all your gaslighting.
You can tell by her deferential comments, soft voice, calm delivery, and repeated "I love you"s that she's had to talk this guy down a lot over the years. She's afraid of him.
I hope any partners of these Crowder apologists realize sooner than later that they're not safe with men who think this behavior is okay. Make a plan, put protections in place, and leave.
…or she knew the camera was recording and he didn’t. You know nothing from this video
Oh please. She is very condescending and patronizing as she keeps repeating telling him she loves him. He even objects to this manipulation, saying she never loved him. Notice how she dodges him, starts turning on the water works, and the issue never actually gets resolved (at least not that the video shows).
She is a passive agressive person. I'm not saying Crowder isn't also a problem, but she isn't the pure little angel that people are making her out to be.
This idea that he was on the verge of dying, when he finally got surgery in his mid 30s that most people with that condition get as children, is hilarious. Concave chest does not kill you. They were married for ten years. He decided to get the surgery when she was due because he's a small feline.
You can post this paragraph as much as you want, sweetie. You're still very obviously not a man who's ever lived with a woman or been involved in a mature relationship.
And that's the problem with Crowder, too. There's this trend of young, sexually uncertain MAGA men who hate and fear women - but because they're MAGA, they have to still get married and act like Traditional, Masculine, Heterosexual Conservative Men. But being a miserable closeted gay man makes one a lousy husband, even if one weren't as cruel, emotionally unregulated, and prone to hysteria as Crowder is.
he also famously said that paternal leave is for "pussies" plus he wasn't even there for the delivery so... she's left to take care of twins having never taken care of even a newborn before… All by herself mostly. Because that's women's work/wifely things. Along with being constantly sexually available I'm sure. Because that's his right. Wifely duties.
She was 8 MONTHS pregnant.
WITH TWINS
and if you had had heart surgery would you be working to calm yourself down or adding to your stress levels by screaming and yelling and escalating the situation?
Did you ever think she may have been privately seeing a therapist in order to cope with his abuse and she didn't want him to know about it?
And don't say she should've told him because that's not how it works.
It’s not physical abuse, sure, but physical is not the only type of abuse, and this certainly looks verbally, and probably psychologically abusive.
also, someone doesn't just physically abuse, they always start with the psychological stuff.
No, but years of this type of treatment does. It starts subtle one little put down about how your hair doesn’t look right. Then the next time it’s three or four things wrong with you and it just keeps going for the rest of your relationship and if you think that you’re at fault, it never ends.
The most dangerous time to be a Black child is in a Black woman's womb or near a freezer:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164921/Detroit-mother-killed-2-kids-no-parole-sentence.html
you magats are f*cking deranged.
I'm sure your "tough guy" husband hasn't had 3 minutes he regretted in your marriage.
Give me a break. For starters, there is very little context. Second when operating at Steve's level, why is he so out of line to expect the same from his wife? As far as providing, it looks like he has held up his end of the bargain.
We don't even know their agreements or arrangements. To paint him as some diabolical figure based on this shows either some sort of confirmation bias, inexperience, or are some 3rd wave feminist, which if true, all 3 are true by default
Congratulations on telling on yourself. No, normal people do not have these kinds of episodes, even when disagreeing with their partner. The fact you clearly do, and that you think it's normal, says that you are an abuser yourself, or have never been in a real relationship. Either way, you're out of your lane.
I think you're responding to the wrong person. I do not have a "tough guy" husband, nor any husband, I'm actually a straight dude.
I can say this much from my own experience: my dad--probably the most masculine person I know, worked his ass off running a construction company, strong as a bull--never once spoke to my mom like this. They're happily married into their 70s.
Meanwhile Crowder's wife is divorcing him, and this video shows us everything we need to know to understand why.
Maybe you had fucked up parents who behaved like this and so you think it's normal and healthy. In which case, you should probably get therapy.
to make excuses for him in this situation shows either some sort of confirmation bias, inexperience, or some third wave chauvinist incel influence.
there's very little context but you sure seem to know what it is.
Providing for and controlling are two very different things. He's pretty filthy Rich why does he only have one car and why can she not just go to the store? Do you micromanage your significant others life like that? Sad, if so, and sad if anybody lets you get away with it.
mankind would have been far better off if adam had asked for a bass boat and a case of beer.
God, yes. Adam and all the little boys who believe in this fairytale at the concrete level should definitely get in that boat and motor far, far away from the rest of us.
plenty of us women believe in it too and do not make excuses for abusers like Crowder.
dear, I believe in that "fairytale" and I can see that this is abuse. So can my husband of 30+ years who also believes in the "fairytale."
There is a reason for the MGTOW movement.
yes, the reason is they're actually sad little man-babies.
Yes; a lot of men are completely unable to deal with women's success in education and the workplace.
Thank god for that. The more abusive, controlling men choose to stay away from women, the better for all concerned. There are still too many men who hate women getting involved with them, even marrying them. They have their patter down and gullible women fall for it.
Their problem is usually that these men have no real experience with life-size, breathing women. They develop fantasies that involve worshiping, which has no place in a healthy romantic relationship because it's not accounting for the woman's humanity. They idealize women -- often at first sight; the less they know about her, the more robust the fantasy can remain -- and lose their shit when one they're dating does something "wrong," like ordering for herself in a restaurant, or choosing to work, or getting her hair cut. Something violates the fantasy and flip! -- where yesterday they were all in, today they are calling their beloved "slut" and "whore." Just as night follows day.
When a woman senses the control and criticism underlying such a man's smooth talk, and successfully, safely breaks things off, it's a win for everyone. I hope the MGTOW have clubs or get-togethers so they're not lonely. Just keep them away from women. (Bonus: No chance of being "divorce-raped." That's what happens after you marry, right?)
Big gay bass boat party your kind of thing? No judgement. You do you, boo.
Adam didn't ask for anything, God gave him what he needed and then both of them ruined it.
Sorry you had an abusive father and that you think this is normal.
I had a father with a temper but it never was like this because my mother did the 1-2 hours of daily chores while he was risking life and limb to feed us.
It must have felt great knowing that if she didn't get her chores done to his satisfaction he would lose his shit on her.
Make sure to treat anyone you're dating like they didn't get their chores done as many times as it takes for them to figure out you aren't a safe person and should not commingle their lives with yours. This isn't a healthy way to live and they deserve a heads-up.
You're literally admitting you had an abusive father and are blaming your mother for the abuse she received.
"the 1-2 hours of daily chores"
LOL tell me you've never lifted a finger around the house without telling me.
You are a product of your environment and it's sad. It's sad bc if you have children you're going to continue on this abusive thought process.
So, you took away the wrong lesson. Instead of learning to be a better person than that, you became an abuse apologist instead. You should be embarrassed to admit that.
no I would bet he probably really is the father -- both have bankrupt thought processes.
so you force women to handle chemicals dangerous to their pregnancies to make you happy?
Danno, you're a fucking loser. Hope that clarifies things
Classic liberal.
Denigrated someone for something and attacks their character… then proceeds to do that very thing.
You’re argument is less than persuasive. You are displaying exactly what you are condemning.
Response on an online message board compared to a husband verbally abusing his pregnant wife…totally the same!
Such a great point you made. Pat yourself on the back, since nobody else is there to do it for you.
Lolol Jesus what a fucking nerd
And again, from someone who is apparently against verbal abuse.
Classic.
You are fucking retarded, son. Go to school and start trying to learn.
I’ve seen all sorts of verbal abuse in this thread, but only from the people who condemn crowder and say they are against it.
Whether it’s because you are fully unable to be anything other than a hypocrite, or simply incapable of speech without resorting to insults targeting gays, special needs, and other less fortunate groups of people for your slander… it doesn’t really matter.
You’re just continually demonstrating both your lack of insight and character.
Tl;dr: You are the bad people.
"Tl;dr: You are the bad people."
The amount of delusion it requires to post that kind of finger wagging moralising, under a video of Crowder behaving like a psychopath to his pregnant wife...you crowder incels are most amusing in your lack of self awareness. :)
Oh, now he's a psychopath.
Yep, they are the baddies.
Imagine how they treat anyone who disagrees with them in real life!!
clearly you have a very vivid imagination, tho sadly, no logical reasoning skills.
You're not very good at gaslighting, but your attempts at it are really annoying.
So, only conservatives are allowed to be assholes? Did you actually think liberals would just roll over and show their bellies? This ain't the 60s man. They are out for your blood, and my moderate ass is here for it 🍿
Lmao what a Loser.
Yes, this entire thread is filled with insults, prayers for death or harm, swear words, all by the people accusing Crowder of being a bloodthirsty, horrid person.
Amazing.
No, actually she was the one who got lucky.
you misspelled "She"
based
factual
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women expire at 20
Expire at what? Being 'things' to men?
You've got your porn and your impotence without your porn:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/mar/11/young-men-porn-induced-erectile-dysfunction
Stay happy in your crunchy bed sheets.
Women don't want you.
says the mentally lobotomized floppy slabs of used up roast beef hanging between your legs. you are valueless and no one will truly love you.
I'm reminded of the ob-gyn who was mystified by this "roast beef hanging between your legs" bullshit, because that's not women work. It just underlines the sad fact you've never seen a vagina, and don't understand that, just like men, women can have a lot of sex without their genitals wearing out.
There's definitely a lot of Rapey vibes in this thread.
I don't need to honestly. My undergrad is psychology with a clinical focus. These boys and the pick me girls on here don't even understand how they have basically been trained to think this is ok.
OMG, your comments have been so nasty and ugly why would anyone want anything to do with you?
I feel sorry for whatever person ends up getting stuck with you. Wow. What a piece of shit.
Damn, you got owned bro
You're gonna die alone.
plenty of us have been married for over 30 years and aren't making excuses for abusive men.
How can her labia be mentally lobotomized? Also having lots of sex doesn't change your genitals, unless you're having sex with a horse or something. Entire babies exit out of there and the vagina still manages to return to approximately its original size, if not its original size. I'm not even sure why you referred to labia to begin with; you stick your dick in the vagina.
Is this coming from a long-taint scrotum owner? For real?
Exhibit A for abuse:
All of your nasty comments.
anonymous comments from strangers on the internet is abuse, but steven crowder telling his pregnant wife, "i'm going to f*ck you up", is just his frustration with all her passive aggressive "i love you"s?
do you get how brain-dead you come off?
Most men should avoid graveyard ass to begin with.
Get it?
Because you have a high kill score tattooed on the inside of your
Nah man, the video alone could be Steven having a really bad day. What matters is full context, which the article provided. Was he remorseful? Was there a pattern? The answer is, of course, yes. Some things that don't appear a abuseful on the surface add real context. Why did this multimillionaire with a hectic schedule only own one car, rather than his and her car? It was a control tactic.
Until the moment that I realized they only owned one car, I was willing to give that bastard the benefit of the doubt. But, he is financially abusing her.
See pfungus ...that's not an answer to the question and you won't scare me off with snark and you won't deflect peoples attention by trying to embarrass them into pretending they see what they don't see
I can't make you see what's already in plain sight. I don't know what your issues are but you probably need a therapist. Good luck out there chief
Don't run away. Defend your point of view.
Humor me by itemising the abuse in the clip.
Tell me what he did that deserves to share a term with my 10 year old self being beaten everywhere but the face by one person and raped by another.
Abuse is a strong word. Abuser is a big accusation.
I think you Americans are just melodramatic and blow everything out of proportion so show me why I'm mistaken list the abuse I missed.
I have an open mind here I'm perfectly willing to believe he could be abusive but if I'm gonna call someone an abuser I need strong evidence/argument
"Humor me by itemising the abuse in the clip."
I mean, I can just go write up a whole-ass transcript of the clip, and copy and paste it here. It's ALL abusive. I literally don't know how to describe it to you if you can't see it. It's like, if I were to point up at the sky on a clear day and say "that's the color blue" and you're like "I don't see any blue." I don't know what you want me to say. Seek therapy.
They don't care. Evidence is irrelevant to them. If a conservative ever demands proof of something right in front of them it's a waste of time. They will never accept anything as proof. Crowder could literally walk up and hit his pregnant wofe with a right hook and you would be having the same conversation.
Hell if he killed her this fucking dipshit would be like but how do we know he abused her? These knobs think they are intelligent but they just say a lot of words. They do not have empathy. The majority of people on social media are narcissistic. This is why individuals like this can't care to see what's immediately in their face.
1. He is banning his wife from leaving and driving.
2. He was manipulating her into performing difficult chores like buying barbecue items, walking the dogs and giving them toxic medication, when she’s 8 months pregnant with twins at this point and not really able to do these things.
3. He tells her he doesn’t love her after she says she loves him and is trying really hard to save their marriage.
4. He threatens her with “watch it, fucking watch it” when she accuses him of abuse.
5. He follows her and keeps tormenting her when she’s just trying to leave the situation - not allowing someone to leave is a textbook example of relationship abuse.
All of these are signs of EMOTIONAL abuse and potentially financial abuse regarding the car situation (different to physical abuse, like in your care), it is a legally defined term.
That seems like a well defined, itemized list like that knuckledragger was requesting...
I am a man that had a terribly abusive ex-wife. Everyone around me knew it, but I couldn’t leave for the longest time. The items you list here LACK CONTEXT. Narcissistic people, especially NPD women, need more than a 3 minute video clip to determine they are the abusers. I’ve lost my temper before with my, now NPD diagnosed ex-wife, and if you saw a 3 minute clip during one of those times, I would be painted as the abuser.
I am totally open to the fact that it doesn’t make Crowder look good, that’s for sure. And I lean towards Crowder probably being the abuser in this relationship (that’s clear, one of them is emotionally abusive). But nobody here can make any determination on who it is based on this clip alone.
Honestly, dude... just the fact that he's worth millions and they only have one car is pretty clear. He's not averse to spending money. Their house is massive. And yet, there is only one car. I don't know how you explain that other than it being extreme controlling behavior. The only family I ever knew that was wealthy and had only one car was a Greek family (the men are famously controlling). The mom had 7 freaking kids, a ton of chores, no maid, lived in this huge house with no help, and literally could not leave. Her husband was extremely controlling. The context of her not owning her own car, and him holding use of the car over her head, unless she performs "wifely duties" is enough. He treats her like a slave... "You can go do things, slave, once you obey me".
It's abundantly clear what is going on. If they had a car in the shop, I'm sure they have full coverage insurance, so they would have received a rental. They literally only own one car. She lives in a gilded cage with an abusive cvnt.
Did you read the article under the clip, or are you just pretending that wasn't there?
Do you notice how he continually ties her "disobedience" to her valuation as a human and status in their marriage? "I don't love you because you don't wear gloves", "You aren't a worthy wife because you don't do what I want when I want", "You need to be disciplined to be with me". Paraphrasing, but all very clear statements within the video.
These are controlling and infantilizing tactics. Making someone feel that they must serve you and be obedient to acquire love and worth as a person puts them in a position where they are conditioned to please you without thought for their own needs, desires or opinions. Your love becomes conditional, and the condition to fulfill is complete obedience. Because you have put them in a position where theyy are dependent on you for love and stability in heir life, they become increasingly conditioned to respond "positively" to this tactic. They increasingly learn what makes you happy and what makes you angry, and mold themselves to more precisely bring out pleasure in you to avoid punishment and abandonment.
Which brings the next point : hostage taking. This is a phenomenon where someone causes someone to be in constant fear that they will lose their place with you for a minor infraction. Threats of loss of love, divorce, suicide, etc. can all be ways that you are taken hostage.
Imagine being terrified every week that you don't know if the most important person in your life will leave you the instant you make a small mistake. That you will have to upend your life at any moment. In some cases, you could lose the roof over your head. Or your children. All for...not wearing gloves.
These types of abuse put the victim in an extended state of mental and physical high alert and executive function exhaustion which the body is not designed for, causing the stress reaction to become impaired in a condition known as complex post-traumatic stress disorder. I myself was diagnosed at the age of 24 with the condition due to abuse from my mother.
Just because it’s not physically abusive doesn’t mean it’s not abuse. Emotional abuse exsists! The way he turned everything she said back around on her and made her the problem, controlled her etc. that’s crazy making! Years of that behavior creates CPTSD. It’s abuse, maybe not abuse you are familiar with or have experienced in your life but it is abuse.
I'm not writing this to be rude, but I'm writing this as a fellow human being - a concerned human. If you were raped and/or abused as a child (or any age) you desperately need therapy ---- not short term, but intensive therapy. I really hope you have received that, and I hope it is ongoing. The trauma that abuse, especially sexual abuse, causes at such a young age is so detrimental - I am begging you, please, please, please, lease get therapy. Please..... Please.. Like, I am literally begging you. Please. Please.
"Survivors of sexual assault can benefit from several types of psychotherapy including psychodynamic psychotherapy, TF-CBT, and EMDR. Processing abuse and trauma is a helpful and necessary step to recovery and is the main focus in these treatment modalities." (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239557/)
Now, to talk about abuse. As everyone else has mentioned, there are different types of abuse - physical, sexual, mental, emotional.
Being controlling (especially very controlling) is one form of abuse - the only person you have real control over is yourself, and that should be enough. Everything else is an agreement, and broken agreements shouldn't cause such a reaction.
They only have one car, which I find astounding given their income. Nearly everyone middle class and above has one car per driving adult in the household, and when you get to upper class, it's very common for a 2 parent household to actually have 3 cars (one which they use as a collectable/hobby car/to flex etc) or more. The fact that they only have one car is very indicative that he is abusive and wants her to remain home all the time - what does she do while he's at work? My aunt is stay at home, traditional wife and didn't even have kids --- she has a car to run errands or go out, my uncle has his own car to go to work in, and they even have a third car that they inherited and keep as a spare for when their cars are in the shop. He certainly doesn't have as much money as Crowder. It is very common for abusive spouses to isolate their spouse as much as possible - not allowing them to work, have a car, or general independence is a big indicator of that. How can they leave if they don't have any of the means to do so? More so, the fact that she asked "who would you like me to call for a ride?" - WHAT ADULT has to ask their spouse who can give them a ride???? what?????? It's literally like she is at one point allowed privileges like a child, but also, like she is arguing with a controlling toddler - because, well, she is.
I too suffered with extreme anger, but after being medicated and getting therapy for many years, it's a lot better. It's still present at times, but I try my absolute best to never ever take it out on people/any living beings - sometimes I scream at my computer, sometimes I stomp my feet, sometimes I huff and call someone an asshole (if they're being an asshole), give them attitude, glutaral scream by myself/at the sky - but I never let it go beyond that. And I'm still working on it (and getting better).
Finally, here are some helpful links that outline various forms of non-physical abuse (they're written by experts, so far more credible than a comment section!):
https://maggiesresource.com/are-you-in-an-abusive-relationship-c110.php
https://www.regain.us/advice/domestic-violence/a-short-emotional-abuse-checklist-20-red-flags-in-your-relationship-what-you-can-do/
"3. You are asked to check in with your partner at all times to let them know where you are and who you are with, even when spending time with close relatives." - he did that by saying "back when you're back isn't good enough" and her feeling the need to ask who she can get a ride from, and him saying uber --- not even a friend. Him demanding he needs to know the exact time.
"4. Your partner blocks you during conversations or changes the subject to reflect it onto you and your behavior." - ..... the entire video.
"6. Your partner makes you feel as if your feelings are wrong or don't matter." him saying she must do wifely duties, that she's not a devoted or committed wife etc.
"7. Your partner makes you apologize for what you didn't do." - she said I'm sorry and idk what even for.
"10. Your partner has heightened mood swings. One moment they may seem distant, the next, they are unavailable, and then they are loving. You may feel you don't know what to expect or what version of them you get, so you try to change your behaviors to receive love and affection, often to no avail." - entire video. Her saying I love you, and him saying I don't love you.
"15. Your partner has unrealistic expectations or standards and criticizes or harms you if you don't meet them."
"16. They invalidate you, claim you're too sensitive or emotional, refuse to accept your perceptions or opinions, and suggest you are wrong. "
"18. They use emotional blackmail through manipulation, being in control, lying, or using compassion, fear, and other emotions to control the situation."
"19. They act entitled or superior while acting condescending, using sarcasm, treating you as inferior, and acting as if they are always right."
"20. They control you through isolation by taking away possessions, making fun of your loved ones, or using envy or jealousy to keep you from others."
By the state of Nevada: https://ag.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/agnvgov/Content/Hot_Topics/Victims/DVPC/EmotionalAbuseChecklist.pdf
"Are you expected to drop what you’re doing to meet
your partner’s needs?" "Do you have to account for all your time?" "Does your partner insist that everything is your fault?" "Do you have to ask permission to see or spend time with friends or family?" "Does your partner use violence or threats during an argument?" "Does your partner compare you negatively to others?" "Does your partner use “guilt trips” to manipulate you?"
Somehow, all of these things were present in a 3 minute clip - absolutely crazy.
https://www.marriage.com/advice/domestic-violence-and-abuse/emotional-abuse-checklist/
If I somehow need to give you more --- I really can't, but google is free and easy to use.
Again, I do hope you get help. A child being abused is so serious and you desperately deserve and need help (not due to your behavior, but because abuse is so serious).
No one is telling you that you didn’t experience abuse, how would we know? Can’t you suffer abuse while someone else is experiencing a lesser degree of abuse? Is anything less bad than what you have personally endured not considered abuse to you? It isn’t a dick measuring contest about who has had it worse, with your personal experiences being the threshold for what constitutes as abuse. Holy shit man.
This is so many people's mentalities bc it's what their parents and grandparents taught them. This toxic view of: well I had it bad so you can have it bad too or I had it worse yours isn't as bad, is one of the longest bull shit stories in many cultures. We even do it to ourselves. Well it could have been worse so I should feel better. That completely disregards the emotions our brains are causing us to have and we wonder why everyone is walking about depressed or anxious.
"DeBATe mE PplllEEAAsse"
LMAO
He, she, it, They can’t… because it doesn’t exist.
Being controlling absolutely CAN be abuse. It’s generally acknowledged that controlling behavior is a common first step in the timeline of many abusive relationships. Physical abuse is usually not far behind. We do not see physical abuse in this clip, but we do see verbal abuse and gaslighting. When we consider statistics, such as homicide is the leading cause of death among pregnant women, we realize that we are not effing around here. This video is very troublesome. Not only is he arguing with her over a task (administering dog medication) that seems to be an inappropriate ask in the first place (toxic to preggos) he then spins her lack of compliance as a personal failure on her part as a wife, establishes himself as a victim who has been “disrespected,” and tries to prevent her from leaving (can’t take the car). We see him becoming more agitated and angry as the clip goes on. She attempts to placate him, but ultimately he chases her into the house and says “I’m going to fuck you up.” Now, what part of this story sounds okay to you? To me his behavior screams DANGER. This is not a good guy. This is not a family man. This is another statistic waiting to happen.
Weaponizing your own pain to silence others is a really disgusting way to go about things, and you should probably get some help for that, rather than blaming anyone's nationality. Emotional abuse is not just an American concept.
I hope someone rips your asshole open by raping you and then we can say nah you didn't get abused.
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Found your long lost dad and he sucking my clit
Found the 5th gen trans “feminist”.
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... You're going to tell your (totally real) wife and two kids that someone called you an incel online?
You don't need to sign your posts btw
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rope
She dated him for two years before they married. You don't think he ever exhibited this behavior in those two years? You don't think she understood his views on marriage and expectations of traditional marriage roles? Yet she still married him.
I think she knew what she was getting into. She knew his expectations for having a traditional wife, and what those expected wifely duties were. I am not suggesting what he did in this video is right, however, I suspect there are two sides to this larger story and she isn't as innocent in all of this as she seems.
Actually, no... you do not know what people are like before you marry them. They're Christians, and they wouldn't have lived together. I think they were both virgins, too. So, she had no prior relationships, hadn't lived with him, etc. She had no clue. Your statement is retarded. He literally refuses to let her have a car and holds the use of the car over her head, until she "performs wifely duties" to his satisifaction. That's not a traditional relationship... that's some BDSM shit, and Crowder is a disgusting sadist. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I saw that.
People who look at this and see anything other than very abusive behavior need therapy. I say that as a VERY far right wing happily married woman.
I am probably more conservative than Steven Crowder because I don't like Trump.... and I'm a Christian and I can certainly say that this is abusive behavior. You have to be willfully blind not to see it.
I’m not saying it isn’t abusive behavior, and if this is the norm in their relationship, then Crowder needs help.
But 3 minutes isn’t enough context. She could have been poking and prodding at him all week long and we would have no idea. Narcissists are deaths by a thousand cuts — their victims lash out as their sanity is being taken from them.
I believe Crowder is likely the abuser because he exhibits behavior similar to my ex-wife with NPD, but I’m still a reasonable person and understand 3 minutes is not enough context.
It does not look good for Crowder though.
yes, and he could've been poking and prodding her couldn't he? In my experience with abusive people they are the ones who do the poking and prodding and needling hoping to get you to snap, and then they yell at you just like Crowder is doing to his wife.
"She dated him for two years before they married. You don't think he ever exhibited this behavior in those two years?"
I literally don't give a fuck. Some people stay in abusive relationships their entire lives. People are weird. Abuse is abuse.
"I am not suggesting what he did in this video is right"
Good then it's settled, I don't even know why you responded to me.
I am a man that had a terribly abusive ex-wife. Everyone around me knew it, but I couldn’t leave for the longest time. The items you list here LACK CONTEXT. Narcissistic people, especially NPD women, need more than a 3 minute video clip to determine they are the abusers. I’ve lost my temper before with my, now NPD diagnosed ex-wife, and if you saw a 3 minute clip during one of those times, I would be painted as the abuser.
I am totally open to the fact that it doesn’t make Crowder look good, that’s for sure. And I lean towards Crowder probably being the abuser in this relationship (that’s clear, one of them is emotionally abusive). But nobody here can make any determination on who it is based on this clip alone.
A number of people in here who are defending Crowder claim to have been the victims of abuse themselves. And to them I say: well that just makes perfect sense. It's not surprising at all to me this does not seem like abuse to you; abuse has been normalized for you, so Crowder's behavior seems less outlandish. But while it may not elevate to the worst things you've experienced, that does not mean it's not abuse.
My experience is the opposite: I've never suffered abuse. I have loving parents, my dad NEVER spoke to my mom like that, they're still happily married in their 70s.
Thanks to past trauma, you are incapable of identifying abuse when you see it, because abuse has been normalized in your life. This means you're more likely to be the victim of abuse in the future. You need therapy.
I agree with this sentiment. I experienced extreme physical, psychological, and emotional abuse in my first marriage. I grew up in a neglectful and abusive household. I didn't know any different, and could not clearly differentiate between abuse and normalcy. This thread is very sad because there are so many people who cannot positively ID that something is tremendously wrong, and expect there to be a black and white abuser/victim dynamic. That someone is reactively abusing back, manipulating, or otherwise defending themselves in a long-term abuse situation does not mean they're not being abused. It means they engage their fight before they engage their flight or freeze. It's a trauma response. I have severe PTSD and I react very harshly to anyone being aggressive towards me, or I run. I used to freeze, and I think that's what earned me PTSD. It amazes me that abusers and abuse victims alike think the proper response is always a freeze response, in order to garner the status of being an abuse victim.
Dude, all I’m saying is more information needed.
I will say, however, my most recent girlfriend, after my physically and emotionally abusive ex wife, I could not see myself doing the things in the video to. We just clicked — we solved problems and arguments in a healthy way.
With my ex-wife on the other hand, I did lose my temper on occasion and said mean things I regret to this day. But those things came at a calculated time for her. She knew how to instigate and emasculate emotionally, and did it at strategic times to get what she wanted. She was amazing at playing the victim at the right time, and when the doors closed, a witch would come out to play.
Like I said previously, 3 minutes in my opinion is not enough time to determine who is the abuser. I believe one of them is an abuser. There is absolutely nothing wrong with me saying this. It is a totally reasonable thing to say and to attack such a neutral response is problematic in itself and rings alarm bells in my mind.
And I’m in therapy, thank you. Bless Ken, he’s the one who pulled me out of such a mess.
I just love this cognitive dissonance. "We have 3 minutes of Crowder's abusive behavior in plain sight, but we need more context before assume anything! Also, let's just assume all the bad things about the wife's behavior off camera for no fucking reason at all."
Where did I say that? I’m saying Crowder is probably the abuser, but I’d like to see more before a man’s career is canceled.
You’re the one connecting dots I’m not painting.
I’m not saying his wife is abusive, I’m saying we don’t know.
EDIT: Also, as you say, you’ve never experienced abuse. I have. I know how sinister and insidious it can be. I know what it’s like to be called the abuser when really you’re the victim. Be blessed you can look at this video and immediately say Crowder is the abuser.
Let me explain something to you: I'm pretty fucking tired of conservatives giving the benefit of the doubt to "their guys" whenever one of them is caught on camera doing something horrible to someone, and always assuming the worst about the victims. They do this when unarmed and harmless black people are murdered by cops. Speak of the devil, Crowder himself LITERALLY did this when George Floyd was murdered: assumed the absolute best intentions from the cop who sat on his neck for 7 minutes, and the absolute worst intentions of Floyd himself. Thankfully the courts did not take Crowder's side on this.
you can be abusive in reaction to abuse that is certainly possible. it's the system that abusers like to set up for themselves. But if you listen to this thinking back to what Crowder said about his marriage just a few days ago you'll realize that his stories do not match up. He did not look like he had lost his temper in response to something she had done, he was just sitting there in the chair being a smart ass, berating, browbeating, insulting, demanding she do something that she feared was harmful in her condition (whether or not that was true, demanding she do it does not erase her fear) so it sounds like he's the NPD in this scenario.
This is called blaming the victim. You're disgusting.
No, it's called being unbiased until more information is available.
He may or may not have. Abusive partners can often hide who they really are for years. Add to the fact that you can't always readily divorce someone in certain places, and it's entirely feasible that people pretend to be simeone they're not until they've trapped their partner, whether it be legally, socially, financially, etc..
Also, people can change.
None of this is really that hard to comprehend if you reflect a little harder and or do some "research" on abusive relationships.
you're right, she chose wrong
kys
Oh yeah im saying wow get out now
Right! Because unless a man prostrates himself and God forbid, not ever argue with his wife, he's bad. Apparently, she's unemployed and doesn't take care of him as a wife should.
While I realize your tiny little baby brain doesn't have room for anything in between a man "prostrating himself" and outright abusing his wife, I hope you can understand that a healthy relationship lies somewhere between those two extremes.
hey quick question bob, is telling your wife that you're gonna "fuck them up" just a simple argument?
Because in the state of Texas, it's considered Assault, and is a crime.
She's carrying his fucking kids, loser. That's not only a job, it is the most important job on this earth. What Steven Crowder does is kind of fucking useless in the grand scheme, and his progeny won't give a fuck, but they'll appreciate his wife bearing them. Being pregnant is extremely hard and it can maim or kill you. It is a very high risk thing and used to be the #1 cause of death in women of child bearing age. It is still deadly.
Also, his wife isn't permitted to own a car, and he gets to decide when and if she uses "the family car"? Is that right? Nobody's allowed to pick her up to run errands until she slathers dangerous chemicals all over their dog at 8mos pregnant?
This isn't about submitting as a man... this is about an 8mo pregnant woman not being stomped all over and treated like a goddamn slave. Get help. You're mentally unwell. Seriously. There is a screw loose.
did you miss the 8 months pregnant part, asshole. there is no two sides to that.
honor thy wife... is promised THEN they do wifely duties and obey. HONOR thy wife.
kys
I’m curious why people are shocked that you will jump to conclusions from a 3 minute video even after watching you jump to “Run away, run away fast.” because someone points out there is no definitive abuse in that clip.
Threatening to fuck someone up is a crime in pretty much every civilized country. The fact that he did that over her trying to go buy GROCERIES show's how unhinged he is. Also, the "odd talk about gloves" is another example of his extreme unreasonableness. The medication was potentially harmful to his unborn children, and instead of being a protective husband and administering it himself to their dog - he was berating her for not taking the risk on herself. Along with screaming at her for not walking their active dog while she was 8 months pregnant - something he also should have taken on as getting up off a chair is already difficult enough at that stage and she was pregnant with TWINS. He's insane and was being an awful and threatening partner to his wife during her most vulnerable time. That's sick and intolerable.
Saying I'll fuck you up or other stupid mid argument comments is not a crime anywhere I know of.
I've said worse without meaning it literally.
I'm willing to believe he may be abusive. I'm just saying I won't accept it based on one 3 min clip with no context and the fact that I don't like his politics.
I like to force myself to be objective in these situations and not do what most people here are doing on either side: decide with their emotions not logic based on who's team they were on before.
Nothing you mentioned is abuse. It's being an asshole.
You are absolutely deranged if you think this is an okay way to talk to your partner, family, or friends. Get into therapy
The old internet trope of arguing with a position someone doesn't hold is still alive n well I see. Lol
Nice to know I didn't miss anything
I don't think it's ok.
I just don't think being mean to somone during an argument gets to share the same term as raping beating and mentally torturing or manipulating...I think if you conflate the two you make people take the term less seriously...which is what happened to "depression" the terms now lost all potency from overuse.
I think it's bad for victims of abuse to risk watering down these terms.
Hey, a lot of people in this thread are being dumb-assholes who aren't actually explaining what is wrong here. It is absolutely asshole behaviour to just call you an idiot when you clearly want a detailed explanation from someone who knows what they are talking about. So let me explain it for you; and as a preamble to that I'll tell you my credentials to make this explanation.
I am now in my early 20s and am in a good place up until quite recently, this was not the case... At the age of around 5-6 my mother found out that my father had been sexually abusing me and my siblings. we went through several years of court, horribly traumatic. During this time, my mother became part of a sort of cult. She became very devoted and made sure we were too. I believed until around 13, I then did not want to be a part of it. I got into numerous arguments with my mother, and eventually I made it clear I didn't believe in her beliefs. From there she became ever more controlling. As a boy growing up, around the age of 12 she made me bleach my facial hair because her "baby was growing up too fast." The fumes burned my eyes and I didn't want to do it. She didn't let me cut my hair and we were in an isolated location so I had nowhere to go. My mom was never overtly physically abusive, but she was one of the most manipulative people I have ever met in my life. I know exactly what verbal manipulation and abuse looks like. I was aware of her abusive tactics for at least 5 or more years before I was able to escape.
The behaviour Crowder displays here is extremely similar to what I experienced. Making love conditional, or trying to control how it is expressed. Isolating the victim so they are trapped. (Be serious, Crowder owns a multi-million dollar house, and makes millions per year but he only has 1 fucking car?) He expects his wife to do all these duties but also somehow not with the car? She is at the peak of her pregnancy, many people cannot even move, or get extremely tired in that state. But he expects her to walk the dogs, do all these chores, possibly expose their unborn children to harmful chemicals in the dog medication, while he sits there smoking a fucking cigar.
He is not being mean to her, he is being extremely threatening. He is the 'breadwinner' which is how he wants it to be in their relationship because he's a classic conservative. The problem is he expects, since he has all the money, he can simply order his wife around to do absolutely everything for him. Being mean or even an asshole would be making her do the dishes after she cooked him dinner in her state of pregnancy. At that point she really shouldn't be expected to do anything, her job is to keep her body in a state that is healthiest for the children. If that is what her job is, then by his own ideology, he should be protecting his wife and kids right? She could literally die if there were complications due to the pregnancy, she is clearly distressed here. Stress is one of the #1 things that can cause complications, he is being a massive piece of shit and possibly endangering his wife and unborn children's lives. He is causing her physical pain through stress caused by verbal abuse. It is much easier to be in pain from emotional turmoil when you're pregnant. He is literally harming her, not just being 'mean'. Even if this was a completely isolated incident (which I highly doubt it is), it is still abusive behaviour. Abuse does not necessarily need to be chronic, if I was a parent and I hit my child with a wrench, would that not be considered abuse? Would it not be indicative of other possible abuse? Some people may see it as discipline, but causing physical or mental harm to vurlnerable people is certainly abusive.
Obviously she is her own person and she can also do things for herself, but she should be ensuring that their unborn twins are kept safe at such a critical time. She is trying to do that, but being degraded by him, which is causing her stress, which is harmful to her health and her children's health. This is absolutely abusive behavior, it is manipulative behaviour. This is not being just 'mean' to someone.
This is not an example of conflating terms, sure, people may over exaggerate, but each case should always be taken seriously when someone claims abuse. In this case, there is literal video evidence of abusive behaviour. No matter which way you look at it, this is absolutely unnacceptable behaviour for a husband to exhibit to his wife. Especially when she is that pregnant.
I'm not calling you an idiot, or anything like that, I am telling you that you need to reevaluate how you define or percieve a situation like this. A 'short' video like this can absolutely display abusive behaviour, then it is up to whatever investigative forces to see if said abuse is chronic. In these kinds of cases it usually is, and based on other things in the article, I am inclined to believe it so. I will rescind that statement if further evidence says otherwise. I will however, not rescind my statement about this video showing abuse, it absolutely does.
You know absolutely know about psychology and the various branches of it and it shows. You also think you're somehow better than everyone and no one should call out your stupidity.
No one said it is ok.
He was a jerk.
It’s not abuse.
It is literally in the definition of abuse:
a·buse
verb
/əˈbyo͞oz/
to treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly.
Neat, now look up semantic and pedantic.
or, you know… just look in the mirror.
My favorite part of your response is how you admitted you were wrong by failing to address my comment.
Another pointless hyperbole.
Useless in every manner.
Do you feel better at least?
How does his cock taste? Is he in a gay "phase" again?
Says BOWSER, a character that legit had no friends. Stay on the internet, friend
Did you just try and own someone in the comments by flexing with your knowledge of Super Mario Bros characters? That is hilarious
Him being an asshole isn't what ppl are calling abuse. Its the tactics he was using to try & get her to do what he wanted that is abusive. I think you should prob look into what gaslighting looks like, what psychological abuse in a romantic relationship looks like. You're hesitant bc it was just a 3 min clip w no context but here's the thing... You don't need a ton of context to know that how he was treating her, the twisting of what she would say, turning things back to him, making her out to be the selfish one who doesn't care about him, not being "worthy", all of that is textbook emotional abuse within a romantic relationship. Steven clearly wants to control ppl around him & his wife was no exception. He is very calm in that clip, he's not shouting or shrieking, which is often more terrifying. You can tell she was trying to keep the peace & set her own boundary but he refused to see it & made it about himself & gasli the hell outta her.
It's abuse dude.. No question.
I can promise anyone that if I told you in a parking lot that I would fuck you up, you would quickly call the Police right after pissing your pants. The internet tough guy smart ass thing only works in fantasy land. Act like that towards an actual man.
I don't call the cops because someone I already know has never hit me and isn't violent says something in anger.
Normal people don't behave like that here...maybe it's an American thing your country does seem to be one giant mental illness factory
You just love drama. Everything has to be blown out of all proportion. Mass hysteria is More a national pastime than baseball.
Maybe you're just a fucking pussy
Way to insult all women across the world by insinuating anyone weak has female genitals.
It’s so boring, people like you.
You are what you say you hate, always.
And, that actually makes sense.
Lol little wimp who doesn't give a shit about women now worried about the word pussy. Ya'll all such divas LMAO
You are a pussy though lol
Maybe that's why your dad left you. Come to Texas if you think you are tougher
Dude you were one of the first people on here to comment and defend his behavior, so now tell me who wants to blow things out of proportion and be dramatic?
"Internet tough guys would piss their pants if I threatened them in person" typed the guy acting tough on the internet.
Who is apparently very bothered by verbal abuse lol.
Pot, meet kettle.
This exact thing happened to me and nothing was done. Police laughed at me and never came.
This is not a crime.
"Police laughed at me"
Well of course they did child
"and never came"
Then they shared the fate of any of the women you roofied into sex
Just kidding! You've never had sex
Neither of those things would happen, because I live in a constitutional carry state.
If you told me that, I’d politely ask you to keep your distance, but if you followed through on your threat, well…
That would be sad for all involved.
Perhaps it works the way you stated in your liberal utopia, but fortunately we all have the choice to not live in your, fantasy land, as you put it.
Oh look. Another scaredy-cat terrified of leaving his house without his security blanket. Trigger-happy people like you are a danger to society and need to stay home.
Imagine not knowing the laws of the country you live in. In no state can you pull a weapon on someone that doesn’t have one themselves.
That is NOT accurate, at all.
FUCK OFF
Threatening "I'll fuck you up" IS threatening physical violence. PERIOD. That the threat is aimed at a heavily pregnant woman makes it more egregious.
Good luck in life.
You’ll need it.
Clearly, you are a woman. No duh
Kill yourself
Hey now, there are plenty of decent men out there.
It's a criminal threat, actually.
Call the cops next time someone says they'll fuck you up but takes no actual action against you.
See how annoyed they get at you wasting police time
Have all of the USA become such wusses or is it just the youth??
Fuck off Ryan.
It's interesting how your argument has evolved from "it's not abuse" to "everyone is a bunch of pussies because they see abuse as abuse"
Just admit you're a crowder fan and you're big sad that he's an abusive asshole. You'll come to terms with it quicker.
Hey get this, I live in fucking Texas and I have called the cops on an abusive and mentally ill family member after they went on a rampage destroying the house and literally while on the phone with the operator they were actively threatening to fuck me up if I didn't put the phone down. Guess what happened? Somebody got slapped with a class a misdemeanor and spent some time in jail. Wanna know where he is now? Oceans behavioral hospital.
26 years of unhealthy dynamics and *this* is your high point?
No one is jealous of that marriage my dude.
Gen X is the generation that has fought the stupidity your families brought you up in. I feel sorry for your children
OK boomer
A lot of truth here.
People are ruined.
They aren’t able to do anything well.
Bro we get it , you’re his bisexual lover
Ahh, found the closeted homosexual hater who routinely uses derogatory comments against gays to make his points about how much better he is than “less moral” people
More of shitting on the guy for loving Crowder so much. Crowder said it himself he’s bi. Sorry your brain is itty bitty
As a bisexual, just come out, dude.
Who me? Lol tell that to crowder. He’s the one fighting the demons lmao .
It’s very much so abuse, and he was threatening her. Threatening people here in AMERICA can land you in all kinds of hot water, especially if they are your spouse. All of that falls under the umbrella of domestic abuse. If you’re going to come on here and cosplay as an American then maybe you should know what the fuck you’re talking about. I’m sorry you were very clearly terribly abused as a child, but YOU do not get to decide what abuse is or whether or not what he did is harmful, that’s not how this works. I guarantee most mental health professionals, social workers, cops are lawyers would most certainly see his behavior as domestic abuse. He doesn’t have to put hands on her to be an abusive piece of shit, he’s already accomplishing that by making unreasonable demands and telling her she’s not allowed to use the car. This is America, it’s a free country and being his wife she had just as many rights to that car as he did. It was a classic isolation technique he was using.
Men like you are the reason women end up staying in abusive marriages. You need to do better.
What is with all "there's no context" drivel here? There's plenty of context in this video. And it's basically impossible to remain objective when presented with video evidence of someone angrily insulting their pregnant wife (while smoking a cigar next to.....yeah, his -pregnant wife-) while also breaking her down and attempting to strip away her agency.
And yes. verbally threatening your spouse with physical violence ("I'll fuck you up") is illegal.
Go tell a cop "I'll fuck you up" and see if they arrest you for threatening them.
What if "I'll fuck you up" meant just that? A good fuckin' rather than a brutal beating
Are you serious?!? Holy shit
Actually it is. It is illegal to threaten serious bodily harm to another, even if she’s your wife who is about to go get you groceries without your permission, while seven months pregnant with your children.
You're wrong. Read Chapter 22, Title Five of the Texas Penal Code.
Texas Penal Code Section 22.01(a)(2)
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_22.01
Saying I'll fuck you up is assault. Fucking you up would be battery.
Thanks for putting your words to my thoughts. I am Livid with this 'less than a' man and will expose his egregerious behaviour to all friends and family!
Where is the video of him saying he'd fuck her up? I missed it.
So you didnt read the article?
He admitted to what he said. Read the article dude.
The author of the article claims to have heard audio of Steven Crowder admitting he told his wife he'd fuck her up.
Sorry, but it's gonna take better evidence than that to convince me.
Seems like a rather important part of the story. If the video/audio actually existed - I'd expect it to be included in the article rather than simply being alluded to in the article - and annotated in the video.
It's fascinating how you won't believe a video, won't believe the article, but will believe anything that exculpates your abusive idol.
Consider that Steven would be able to sue Yashar for defamation if Yashar were manufacturing this information, and consider that he has not and will not.
Consider that you are doing mental gymnastics trying to justify abuse.
Consider what your mom would think of that.
If the "I'll fuck You up" part happened after he followed her into the house then it stands to reason it wouldn't have been caught on the outdoor patio ring camera. If there isn't video footage of him saying it, but there's some kind of evidence (given to the author of the article by her family as I understand it) of him admitting to & acknowledging that he said it, then how do you expect there to be footage of it? We don't always get to have all the evidence in situations. That's why in court as a juror for instance you're told to use your experience, your common sense, critical thinking, & logic to look at the evidence you do have & come to a decision. No one is suggesting solely from this 3 min clip that Steven is all evil & HC is "innocent" of any wrong doing. We're looking at a several minutes long clip (longer than viral clips of Karens being accused of racism that are taken at face value) & we're saying "this encounter, how he spoke to her & how he demeaned & belittled & gaslit her are indicative of emotional abuse. In that moment no matter what HC said beforehand Steven was being abusive. And those aren't tactics someone just starts using randomly. Ppl who use the tactics Steven used are skilled at using them...as he was. He was calm. She was showing signs of panic. That tells me she has seen this behavior before & was trying to appease him. It tells me he doesn't like to be challenged & will manipulate those around him to get what he wants. So whether or not they're both abusive isn't really the issue in this clip. Maybe she's just as bad. But it doesn't excuse what he did or said.
Most countries, if not all have laws against this. Tell me what do you mean by saying civilized countries?
What do you mean by saying civilized countries?
Yea, the cops don’t arrest people for that.
It’s not really a crime.
I know this from 1st hand experience with cops. They specifically stated that a one time threat like that is not something that you can do anything about.
Directly from a lieutenant’s mouth.
They absolutely do arrest people for that, particularly in Texas.
I have personally pressed charges against someone who verbally threatened me in Texas.
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_22.01:
Assault
A person commits an offense if the person:
intentionally or knowingly threatens another with imminent bodily injury, including the person’s spouse; or
And what happened to that person?
See Texas Penal Code Section 22.01(a)(2) and 22.01(b)(7)
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_22.01
No abuse????????
You must hate men and/or a scorned woman from a past relationship if you thought that was abuse. Come on!!
dang the domestic abusers are easy to spot in this thread
You mean the low IQ and gullible like you.
Mad Max is either an incel or an *incredibly* divorced dad whose kids hate seeing him on weekends
Currently happily married for over 15 years with 2 kids. Right about being divorced before in a previous marriage so I speak from experience that I actually know what I am talking about. I can see the disingenuous scorned wife acting for the camera a mile away in prep for a divorce. If you can't see it then it goes to the point of my previous comment.
You're not married. You're not fooling anyone by claiming that.
Oh OK. Lol
Prep for a divorce? Go read the actual article before embarrassing yourself, this footage is from 2021.
"from 2021" and your point? Are you this clueless? People plan for a divorce long before they get one. Like planning your escape from prison. People want their partner to be blamed for why the marriage failed. So they are not embarrassed around their friends and family when they all learn you are getting a divorce. People have the incentive to have their partner to look bad like the claim of abuse to get a higher settlement in the divorce proceedings. You need proof of that while the marriage is still going not after separation. Get a clue will ya!
Tell your new wife that you will "Fuck her up" and see how she feels about it.
Except there is no evidense or reason to believe Crowder said that.
except that he actually admitted it? hello?
So you agree that if he did say that, it would be reprehensible and you would denounce him for it?
Have you considered not holding so much anger and hate? I promise you will have a much happier life. People holding so much anger only hurt themselves. That was my honest helpful advice.
Just because you found a woman who will stay with you doesn't mean she's happy
A Steven Crowder fan calling someone else gullible without a single shred of irony is quite the amusement to behold.
Being a fan of Crowder or not has nothing to do with this. If you don't see the manipulation by this women and believe this heavily biased narrative of him being abusive then clearly you are gullible, stupid or willfully ignorant.
"gullible, stupid or willfully ignorant"
nice self-report there, max.
Nope
Good one Max! ho ho oh boy you got me good there!
Mad Max is a Psyop Actor...thats all! Maga's do not treat their wives like that.......EVER!
Congratulations you figured me out. You are just too smart.
is Crowder not MAGA?
They generally are the same.
Sorry your father treated you and your mother like shit and you think this is normal. What was he? A drunk? Or maybe he diddled you. Hope you get the therapy you obviously need.
See a pattern here guys? Lol
There's like five of them SO ANGRY we don't consider mean words to share a category with rape and assault...coz mean words are awful....then they hurl abuse and mean words at people!!! lol
They can't even talk like adults. They have the maturity of 9 year olds.
Your hypocrisy and having no argument but the very verbal abuse you say is unacceptable says it all about how seriously you should be taken
Bro you know studies show that the psychological damage taken from verbal abuse is the same as in sexual and physical abuse? Just because it doesn't leave a physical scar doesn't mean damage wasn't done.
Unless you think abuse can only be abuse if someone is physically assaulted
I take a literalist and legalistic view on what you call abuse in a marriage. Crowder is 100 percent guilty of being a controlling and manipulative abuser. And not only that, but he showed no remorse even going as far as lying about the divorce, blaming it all on his ex, on his show.
Yes we hate men like you lol.
That was abuse. Its the same shit my dad used to do, minus the physical assults and holding us hostage.
Guess what?
Neither of his children, nor his ex wife obviously, nor his immediate family wants anything to do with him. He has gotten banned from his own grandmothers home after years of her making excuses for his poor temper like the above.
You would have to be extremely emotionally weak and fragile if that exchange between the disingenuous wife and Crowder speaking up about their marriage issues counts as abusive.
Why did Crowder only have one car?
There could be many reasons why like a second car was in the shop or he was reducing costs with just having one car. I went without any car at one time myself. Not because I could not afford one but to save money as I traveled for work and barely needed a car for only on the weekends at most. We lack facts to make any judgment.
Crowder makes millions per year. There's only one reason for him to only have one car. It was to maintain control over his wife.
Once again you are jumping to conclusions without the real facts. Clearly one car did not stop her from using it that day. The lack of a second car is what left him being the one stuck at home.
The fact that you think it's normal and acceptable to scream that you're going to fuck up your pregnant wife after preventing her from leaving the house really shows how unfit you are for civilization.
You just verbally abused Mad Max, and admitted that you are planning to kill him.
This is going well.
Your mother is rolling in her grave: shame on you for trying to use what happened to her as an excuse to spew hatred
Sorry, I am not going to take a comment seriously when it was written by the daughter of a murderous father.
Was it a Black guy, though?
There was no verbal abuse.
Mental & psychological abuse are abuse. Also you may not view telling your spouse they "aren't worthy" as verbal abuse but i think most people would. It was textbook abuse what he did to her in that clip.
Brittney is 100% correct. Notice that he was not present for the birth of his children.
THIS IS NOT NORMAL.
Brittney, you have zero idea what went down prior to that recording.
Whose to say she hadn't just finished a 30 minute tirade about what a POS loser her husband was?
Right -- ignoring reality in favor of a fantasy is a great way to make an argument. Try to stay with what's the video man.
Oh, so if she had just been complaining about her husband for half an hour that makes it okay for him to threaten to "Fuck her up"?
Stop manufacturing excuses. You know you're not convincing anyone, including yourself. Your hero is an abuser.
This is also a form of abuse: Gaslighting. (i.e., pretend nothing happened.)
Don't hurt yourself with your mental gymnastics. Nothing to pretend. Nothing abusive happened.
Assuming the apple didn't fall far from the tree - I'm beginning to understand the what's/why's of what happened to your mother.
you are clearly an unhinged crazy bitch. so ironic
I was just following the lead of the Democrats - blaming the church and society in general when an unhinged lunatic trans chick went on a murderous rampage.
just another 'lone wolf', nothing to see, guns don't kill people anyways, blah blah blah, maga moron.
Seek professional help, you loon
So, you clearly aren’t unbiased.
Lmao.
Pussy ass little bitch was your reply to you must hate men... seriously... You are the worst victim on here. A woman calling any man a pussy ass bitch over that comment is abusive. Your abuse. Just like the hundreds of other times you take any opportunity you can to lash out. Fuck the American woman. A monument to hypocrisy and entitlement. You go fuck yourself. Pray the social contract holds. Otherwise you WILL abide by nature. You're like meerkat telling lions to sit down. To men who do not hurt you physically but tell you No, you owe all of them an apology and respect because they work and give there lives for women every day. . Ugh sickening you are. Making it worse and lying about it
You know what’s sickening? Men like you who think women are less than them. Men like you who think it’s a woman’s job to take care of them and see to all their wants and needs. It’s sickening that a grown ass man can watch that clip and find nothing wrong with it. It’s sickening that a grown ass man would think it’s acceptable to talk to anyone the way that piece of shit talked to his wife. It’s sickening that there’s backward ass thinking men like you still out being a menace to society. I don’t know what your “you will abide by nature” comment means, but you can shove that right up your misogynistic ass. The fucking 1800s called, they want their outdated way of thinking back. And by the way, you wouldn’t like it in my world, because where I work, I’m the boss and the men have to listen to me. Oh to be a female in power these days. Better pray you never meet one like me.
jason, you sound deeply disturbed. please find help.
You need serious help. Your abusive bullshit would escalate any man. Then you would push it further like a coward, over a car payment or some other stupid thing you think you are owed. You can piss yourself you're so mad....it doesnt change THE FACT that that CLIP was not abuse. You want it to be so you have a reason to justify being mad at all men. Because yes...you do hate men. All men
You certainly were my bitch last night while I was pegging your ass with my strap on. Jason loves to hate women but also loves to be fucked in the ass by one wearing a dildo
Why are you pasting the same propaganda all over the place? Both genders are capable of and perpetrate evil. Abortion is murder.
Even if you are honest, you are out here monetizing your mother's murder.
Sick fuck.
Lol she probably deserved it.
And there it is. "She deserved it".
Quickest way to spot an abuser.
Oh shit I'm so afraid to reply to this sexist nonsense right here
(from a non abuse clip) because you might pin me as an abuser... Oh lord what will we do, she is diagnosing again. Put the wine down so you can type what a narcissist sociopath I am😛😂 it's laughable anymore...so few women truly "abused" most of you are just angry little hypocrites that can just spread for the next guy who will happily buy your half truths to get laid..
I'm just enjoying the collective shitfit the six or seven very busy Crowder fans are having here, tying themselves in knots trying to justify a clip where a guy abuses his heavily pregnant wife lol
It's a great look guys, keep it up!
Jason, it doesn't really matter if you believe it's abuse or not, the Texas Penal Code defines it as assault. It's not legal to tell someone that you will "fuck them up" - even in Texas.
Ask your wife how she feels about you defending a guy who threatened his pregnant wife.
https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_22.01
No, a person (who you are stepping in as) ...has to be in fear. In this situation, in court you would lose. "Fuck them up" could mean a lot of things. People say that before sporting events. I can see your agenda. Won't work here. The guy is an asshole, but people like you make mountains from mole hills because it bolsters your false empathy.
I see you're committed to dying on the hill of "a clear and obvious threat isn't a threat". Maybe you should make such a threat in front of an officer and see how it goes for you. You would definitely own me so hard if you did that.
I don't see any. I see an angry woman acting like an angry woman. This is why, as a general rule, I always side with the man unless there is totally incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. The anti-male social bias is strong. Societies that are matriarchal are failures. So always side with the man unless there's incontrovertible evidence of extreme wrong doing to the contrary.
?? it's all over.
Abuse isn't just physical. Mental and emotional abuse is when you use words, emotions and threats of violence to coerce, control, and manipulate your partner to get what you want. It starts with abuse in the first thing he says. "I drew a boundary." Boundaries are explicitly about what the boundary setter will and will not do - it is not about what other ppl do. When it's a healthy expression about other ppls actions it is often called an "expectation", which ppl are not obligated to fulfill. Here instead his "boundary" is that she is not to use the car. I wouldn;t even say it's a healthy expression of an expectation. Realistically, it seems to be a "command" which he is enforcing. All of this is to say, he cuts off her access to the car, manipulating language abt boundaries to control her access. This also makes us wonder about the material conditions of this household and who has access to what. Consider: Why is there only one car? Abusers control your access to the outside world. The fact that they only have one car in the first place, (apparently?) is suspicious. It seems like a way to control. And it clearly is about control!
Because, why can't she take the car right now? there are no signs that he is going anywhere. In fact, he offers to go do the exact same thing she is trying to go do. he tells her to take an uber. so, why can't he take an uber if it's that easy? Probably because he knows she wouldn't feel safe - and she clearly does not like the option. Which is reasonable!! if somebody is going to take the uber it should be whoever is stuck at home without the car, obviously, who needs to get somewhere desperately. In practice, he is just keeping her stuck there with him - or at least making the ways to leave very difficult or unpleasant.
The tone when he says "watch it. fucking watch it." is said like a threat. It is an obvious threat of violence and control and made worse by the fact he apparently has a volcanic temper with a much larger, stronger body. that's scary! (and it's the point, i think) What's more, the thing he chose to give a threat about: if a partner tells you they think you're being emotionally abusive, you dig into why - you don't threaten them into silence.
The context for the gloves is in the article. He wanted her to give medicine to the dogs even though she was uncomfy with it. She thought it might be dangerous to pregnant women. Instead of accepting this, because there's no reason the pregnant woman should be doing this, he chooses to be manipulative and controlling. he says essentially "if you don't do as i asked, giving the dogs medicine, then you are a bad and uncommitted wife" even though neither of those things are true, obviously. she is scared of the medicine, and she doesn't HAVE to be the one to give it to the dogs. there are lots of reasons she wouldn't want to give the dogs medicine that don't reflect on her ability as a wife. he is using her desire to be a good wife against her to control her behavior.
after she tries to leave and deescalate the situation he follows her, berating her and talking down to her about her quality as a wife. And over what? she wants to use the singular car and she is uncomfortable giving medicine to the dogs. He may not like those things, but the way he expresses this and the actions he takes to make it better are abusive and manipulative. He cuts off her access to the car, manipulating language abt boundaries to control her access. He makes out "disobedience" of what he wants her to do into a moral failing and starts chasing her to keeping hammering home how awful she is even though she's trying to deescalate.
That's just what we can see in the video. The article states they have sources saying he is explosively angry, has threatened her overtly (rather than implictly as we see in the video), and released a public statement about how, if it was his choice alone, there would be no divorce. He even goes after no fault divorce. Forcing someone to stay in a marriage with you is abuse. Fantasizing about it is fantasizing about abuse. it's sick.
inb4 u say something like "i've basically done all these things or similar. Am i an abuser" The answer is yes.
That's basically what I came here to say and you hit on the key issues. They seem well to do so the fact that they only have one car is highly suspicious. If she were a habitual reckless driver or something, that probably would have come up in their discussion about her taking the car. So it really does seem like an abusive situation, with him trying to micromanage her life and reacting with extreme anger when things don't go the way he thinks they should.
The fact that he expected her to handle potentially dangerous medication while pregnant is a huge red flag too. What kind of man doesn't try to protect his wife and children, and instead puts them at risk for his own convenience?
Somebody mentioned he may have had surgery recently that would make it dangerous for him also. Of course he could try the glove approach himself since he seems so certain it'd be protective enough. Regardless, denigrating her because of her discomfort with doing it is unnecessary. There are even potential options like a friend of family member helping them out. It doesn't have to be her - he only insists on it bc he doesn't like she told him no.
THANK YOU🩶
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C70W2wRV4AAkwBC.jpg
It's a very coherent and well-written post, Ray. You can just admit to everyone else you don't have a real rebuttal and that you support Crowder being abusive.
He never learned to read ) :
Dude, you don't think the WAY he was speaking to her was abusive? Forget what he was talking about "dogs & cars & gloves" the fact is he was belittling her, gaslighting her, turning things around on her?
The article references audio & documentary evidence of Steven admitting to having a temper, difficulty controlling his rage, & being in therapy & you think there is no context for the allegation of abuse? This is classic emotional & psychological abuse my man.
How effin DARE a man argue with his wife!?!
It's 2023, and it's been made clear by the "experts" that XX chromosome people are better and more important than XY chromosome people!
It's perfectly possible to have an argument with one's spouse that isn't abusive. This wasn't just an argument - it was abuse. And you know it is, because you definitely wouldn't let someone else speak to your wife that way.
Nice straw-man argument, there...
Where did I claim it impossible to have a non-abusive argument?
You implied this by responding to criticism of Steven belittling and gaslighting his wife with a comment mocking the belief that a man wasn't allowed to argue with his wife, which suggests that you think being abusive and being argumentative are equivalent. If you had believed otherwise, then you would have directly refuted their criticism of Steven being abusive instead of deliberately misinterpreting their comment as criticism of Steven for arguing with his wife.
The only one making a strawman argument here is you.
If that was not the implication in your post, what was the message you were trying to convey when you posted "How effin DARE a man argue with his wife!?!"
Thanks for at least trying to be civil (you're the only one).
The way he talked to her was petulant and disgraceful.
I don't think it should be called 'abuse' because I think we should have learned a lesson from our well meaning attempts to spread mental health awareness last ten years...that when you over use these terms for lesser levels of problems you water the terms down and the public treats then less seriously then not seriously at all.
Real psychological abuse is too subtle to show up on a small video clip it's not something you can represent easily that's why it's so maddening (I speak from experience of all the kinds of abuse).
I thnk the USA goes too far tossing alarmist term around, then it spreads to us in Europe and then the term loses its shock and potency.
Maybe this is too conplex an argument for hysterical liberals who make all their opinions based on emotion but I've seen it before.
"I have depression" used to be a v serious thing to say. People would put their coffee down and put their arm around you...worried.
Now it's completely lost all its power because people toss the word around so much and it's not taken seriously.
Look at "genocide" in politics..in the 90s it was used to refer to trying to exterminate a group of people..now activists use it to refer to people disagreeing with a policy on trans people.
Watering the term down hurts victims in the long run because it normalised it and makes it seem common
Anyway I gotta go it's nearly midnight here and I have a job to get up to in 6 hours where unlike some of these other keyboard warriors I actually help real 'domestic' violence victims in the real world. It's harder than clicking a like and saying stuff, amazingly.
Thank you for trying to engage honestly.
Plenty of people have engaged you civilly, which is difficult to do when one of the parties of the argument is handwaving away obvious abuse. Each of your posts is pretty obviously an attempt at gaslighting people into not seeing the obvious verbal abuse on the video and ignoring the actual threats made by Crowder that he himself has admitted to making.
Anyways, gaslighting is a technique repeatedly used by abusers, so this frankly tracks with all the replies to your comments that have correctly identified you as using the language and tactics of an abuser. Coincidentally, this also aligns with you repeatedly defending the abuser and not the victim.
So maybe just take a seat and stop trying to pretend that you're the victim in this thread.
Ryan, you are either trolling, disingenuous, or a psychopath. For the sake of anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves in a relationship with you, I hope it's the former.
That's maybe the 20th message from your side of the argument here and none of you engaged the substance of my argument one but you just resort to and honinum attacks and the very verbal abuse you say is not ok.
If it's not ok for Crowder to lose his cool with his wife in spur of the moment and say mean stuff why is it ok for you to do it to a stranger who was the victim of the very kind of abuse you claim to have such concern about?
Is it because this has nothing to do with your empathy for abuse victims and more that it's just a fun way to dance on the PR grave of someone from the 'other team' (Crowder).?
I think that's all it is. Someone who was consistent in their principles and had genuine empathy for victims of abuse would not read this from somone who said "hey former victim of physical abuse here..I don't get why this verbal stuff should share a category with what I went through...can you explain that argument to me?" ...then respond with abuse and name calling and 'cute' statements about them personally.
The reason why no one is explaining and is insulting you instead because you're sealioning.
Sealioning annoys people and lets them know you're not worth the time of an actual conversation. But you are worth a little bile.
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Another internet diagnosis.
The only pathology here is yours.
yeah because a women who's prego with a stomach bigger than 2 watermelons.... should have to walk their dogs and bend down and pick up dog shit. When the perfectly able body husband who is chilling at home can't be bothered. Make it make sense.
He is controlling barking orders telling her she needs to be disciplined and respectful and become "worthy of a wife" like she is a child, and not his partner. In the video it stated inside he said "I will fuck you up" If thats not abuse you're smoking something or trying to manipulate whats obvious.
You obviously have your own definition of abuse, which I'm guessing is blank.
I have experienced both physical and psychological abuse.
I know psychological abuse can be subtle so outsiders can't see it, and this gaslights the victim sometimes driving them crazy. It's just that:
1. I'm not seeing either type here
2. You can't judge based on one 3 min clip with no context released on purpose by one of the disputing parties...how can anyone think that's either representative or likely to provide an accurate picture??
What context do you need to determine whether what he was doing would qualify as abuse? Like what determines that in your mind? How is it not psychological abuse to tell your spouse they aren't worthy? I just don't understand how you could watch that & not think "damn that's messed up Steven"... Allowing his rage at what he views as disrespect by her, disrespect he believes he's due as her husband, to control him is what i saw. He expects a certain level of respect & submission by her & when he thinks he isn't getting he lashes out & tries to control what she does by ridiculing & belittling her. She said she loves him and he throws it back & says "if u loved me you would submit". He talks about her needing to think about "discipline". What do you think that is about if not an attempt to change her behavior for his own benefit? Its very narcissistic abuse like behavior in my opinion.
The people asking for more context in this thread are generally not arguing in good faith and are simply using it as a means to deflect away any valid criticism of Crowder.
"I have experienced both physical and psychological abuse."
This actually makes a lot of sense. The fact that you've experienced such abuse means it's normalized to you. So when you see Crowder's behavior like this, it seems relatively benign to you. But this IS abuse, even if it does not elevate to some of the worst things you've experienced. It's not normal, it's not okay. There's a reason she's divorcing him.
Coming from the opposite angle: my dad--probably the most masculine person I've ever known, hard-working, ran a construction business, built dozens of homes--NEVER spoke to my mom like that. They're still happily married in their 70s.
What you need is therapy. If you cannot see abuse for what it is, you are likely to continue to be the victim of it.
The fact that you've experienced abuse, but cannot see this for that is clear evidence that you're in no position to make that judgment. You haven't received the therapy or insight you need to stop perpetuating abusive environments. When you are abused, you are attracting it and tolerating it. A lot of that has to do with an inability to see it for what it so clearly is. I have been through life threatening abuse, and I sought a LOT of therapy to help me parse through it. I really think you should do the same. Maybe you coming to this thread, and getting all of the negative feedback you're getting is a sign from God that this is something you need to heal and start seeing more clearly.
I think we can stop responding to Chandra now guys. Not only is she repeating herself to the point of spam with irrelevant info about her own personal history but she can't have an adult discussion without resorting to sounding like some crack ho on a corner in jersey.
Agreed. I tried, but, she's unhinged, angry, and adds no value to the conversation.
She's just spamming the same sentence "daughter of a murdered ." Followed by curses and abuse a half dozen times over n over
It would be nice to see, for once, some intellectual consistency. If Crowder's words are unacceptable abuse for saying 'fuck you up' then so is this. We've just tried to have a civil discussion and got nothing but name calling and abuse
I am content to punish it by just not engaging but by the authors standards they suggest we accept she should be deleted or blocked.
Shock me with some consistent principles.
You people really are something. "Verbal abuse is terrible except when I do it fuck you fuck you!"
Come on now, Ryan... Chandra clearly wins the opression olympics!
He/she/they/them/who has every right to do or say whatever it wants.
Chandra is a perma-victim spewing all it knows.
You’re responding and swearing at yourself now.
> Is there any evidence of him being controlling or abusive outside this 3min video which also shows no abuse other than some odd talk about gloves?
Yes. The article mentioned several employees who used work for Crowder describing him as fostering "cult-like" behavior in his workplace while also being extremely intolerant of dissent.
His YouTube channel is also a great place to look. For a guy who uploaded a clip of him essentially parodying the murder of George Floyd, it is really not unreasonable to deduce that the asshole he presents himself as on his channel translates to the way he presents himself in his marriage.
> What's the context here?
What context do you think would have made what he said acceptable?
If only the video was accompanied with a detailed article. We may never know.
I don't see much in the article either but the article wouldn't be proof
Have we not learned from the scandals about the Trump Russia conspiracy theory, the stuff out today from the twitter files about the pharma lobby donations, the WMD scandal with bush...the 'Hunter Biden laptop is a Russian op' stuff being made up ...that you can't trust something automatically just because it's posted by a journalist
So your perspective is:
- Don't believe the abuse we see on video - there might be more context that makes it somehow okay to yell at someone that you will "Fuck them up"
- Don't believe the article with context from direct interviews, public quotes, and court filings
- Instead make up a random theory that exculpates the guy caught on camera being abusive to his wife
It really just sounds like you want to excuse his behavior and are looking for any possible way that you can convince yourself that this isn't abuse.
The trump Russia stuff was not a conspiracy. muller couldn't do what he wanted to do because he believed you cannot indict a sitting president. There was plenty of collusion from people on his campaign. Trump pardoned some of them. muller was clear that you could indict him for some of that stuff after he leaves office.
Also, considering the instruction that they pulled against the Mueller investigation, you can't be sure that there was nothing to it. This is why obstruction is in itself a crime. If you successfully cover up a crime to the point where it cannot be prosecuted, that doesn't mean the crime didn't happen.
magat brain worms. how sad.
dude! his wife is HEAVILY pregnant and he is telling her he will fuck her up:D! where is the ABUSE:D??? jesus Christ...
Ryan, this is a self-report...
Nope. It's a mundane, eye-rolling domestic argument.
Hey out of curiosity how long have you been in a relationship with your partner?
20yrs.
How many times have you told your partner "I WILL FUCK YOU UP!"?
Never, but that’s not how he said that from other posters and tbh, I didn’t even hear that.
Can you point to the time stamp pls, so I can hear it?
My wife and I have been together for 20yrs. She’s kicked me in the balls and I dragged her down a flight of stairs for it. She’s told me she wanted me dead and I told her I hated her.
We love each other to pieces and would never do anything to really hurt the other. People are dynamic, they get angry, shit happens.
We have just as much love and fun times, way more in fact. We both see this world as basically beyond saving.
Always apologize if we mistreat one another. Life goes on. This was nothing.
Our children, life, home… they mean so much more to both of us than any stupid words said in frustration.
This is literally nothing.
The wife is sus, as would be crowder if he released it and she had told him she’d like to kill him.
Words, shmerds.
He admitted to saying it, which is included in the article you apparently didn't read before scrolling straight to the culture war section at the bottom.
How would you react if someone else told your wife that they would "Fuck her up"?
well, sounds like you guys are used to abusing each other.
No it's not good & I don't care if you're used to it.
wow, you hear yourself? probably not...
No Context needed. Crowder was a complet Ahole! End of Story! An embarrassing Turd.....and I was a fan!
The medicine he wants her to pick up is toxic to pregnant women, and she's quite obviously pregnant in the video. Not to mention the language he uses is very commanding and lacks any and all respect and civility.
His ex-wife has dodged an even bigger bullet. Steven verbally mugging his wife on camera. “Mug” club, indeed!
Oh please. She apparently was the bullet to dodge. You believed her disingenuous act for the camera?? Seriously??
disingenuous act? Do you believe S Crowder was being disingenuous or serious?
100%
Now you sound like the abusive type.
If a man exercised his vocabulary and showed anger like Chandra to a woman, she could claim abuse, fear of her life, file a restraining order and have the man evicted from the family home. Ironic eh?
You're pretty gross, man. A man threatening his wife with assault is always a terrible indicator that he can't control his temper which eventually leads to abuse. But a man threatening his PREGNANT wife with assault is absolutely on the brink. Pretending otherwise is despicable.
How did you determine he threatened physical abuse?
She was clearly not afraid.
Clearly you have never dealt with somebody who holds a lot of power over you.
You can’t say that. None of us know what she was feeling.
Her words and actions were objectively those of someone not afraid.
“Objective” shut the fuck up man.
If it weren’t for outrageous hyperbole these weirdos wouldn’t even be able to form a thought.
Everything from people like you is a life altering crisis.
I bet they get on their knees and thank God every day after watching this. I don't understand how ANYBODY can watch this and say it's not abusive. I was terrified for her and her unborn child! The dog didn't look too happy either.... Tail down, scared. Looks like a typical day. Wow!
Who funds Daily Wire?
They always tell on themselves. Blaming no fault divorce instead of himself and his anger control issues. He would have preferred his wife to be stuck with no options. And what kind of person schedules elective surgery when their wife is nearing the end of her pregnancy? And missing his children's birth, too? Quite the family man.
The phrase elective surgery is hilariously misleading. It was open chest surgery at Mayo Clinic. He had to put steel rods above his heart to prevent his body from collapsing into his heart
Lol it was indeed elective surgery. His heart was never at risk of being crushed; it's purely an aesthetic choice. In other words, it wasn't medically necessary but Crowder felt that the surgery would help him feel more himself i.e., would make him look more like a man...
"Gender confirming surgery for me, not for thee!"
Seriously, I have a friend with the same condition. It's elective. When he was growing up his party trick was eating cereal from the 'bowl' in his chest. He's in his mid-30's now and still has it. Not life-threatening at all, just slightly weird looking.
I don't remember seeing any chest scars in the pictures of him holding the babies when they weren't very old.
Based on your near-nonsensical description of the medical circumstances, I am assuming the surgery was to correct pectus excavatum? To call that an elective surgery would be factually accurate, not "hilariously misleading".
I am kind of confused about that elective surgery thing. Did he say he had a concave sternum or something? There were pictures of him with the kids after they were born and he was bare chested. No scars that I could see. Where in the world do they cut people for that?
The claim Steven shouted "I'm going to fuck you up" is said to have occurred just seconds AFTER the video ends. The (multiple) sources are all anonymous, who shared text messages (etc), but none are presented. Statements are made by the wife's family (no bias there), and assumed factual, during a nasty 2 year long divorce with perhaps millions on the line. Yet, BOTH parties claim no physical abuse ever occurred.
Question: Why are you presenting one side of a story, in the worst light possible, without a single shred of evidence, other than a 3 minute video without any context as to how the fight started, who started it, or even how long it lasted?
This feels like a poorly constructed hit job.
If you don't see any sort of manipulation from that video, any fan of Crowder knows that Dave Landau is an extremely trustworthy source of information. I'm not sure if you are able to see it, but it's quite obvious listening to Crowder speak that he has a massive ego. When inflated by yes men, this ego can get out of hand real quick.
Asshole does not equal abuser.
An asshole trying to emotionally manipulate his wife who is 8 months pregnant into doing something she doesnt want to is being abusive. Why couldn't he have just walked the dogs and gave them the meds himself? He was just being controlling and mean for no reason. You're telling me he can't afford 2 cars? No. He liekly keeps 1 car to control her.
This was what gets me, what's he doing? He's just sitting there hanging out, isn't that the time to do simple pleasant chors like medicating your dog and going on a walk? He doesn't want her taking the car because WHAT IF he needs it. While completely disregarding her needing the car right then and there for a finite errand.
There tends to be a very strong correlation.
sometimes, ok, but you can't be an abuser without also being an asshole
Whether or not he’s an abuser is up for debate but we can agree he’s an asshole. And that’s still not okay. The way he treated her is not okay. We don’t have to make it abuse to say that.
you need to watch the old gaslight movie
Can't even show up on time regularly for a comedy gig. Trustworthy? Extremely trustworthy?
>Without a single shred of evidence
There is literally an verbally and mentally video attached to the article. You are so biased and a simp for Crowder that you can't even think clearly on what a shred of evidence is! Get real. This proves more then enough Crowder is an angry and vindictive person. End of story.
Everyone making all kinds of snap judgements based on a 3 min video. Classy, folks. Maybe we should mind our own damn business.
Just say you abuse women and sympathize with men who abuse women. It's ok. Just admit it. Go ahead. Get it out, wife beater.
Cry more.
you too?
if you have a problem with making judgments (and in spite of that you have made your own) about a three minute video and people not minding their own business why are you here? Go mind your own business.
nah fuck you biotch
"ample evidence" he is an asshole? sure
"ample evidence" he is an abuser? nope
Based on this abusive comment, I'm not sure you're the one who should be defining abuse.
so only women should be allowed to say "fuck you"?
Lmao. sounds about right. stay woke, loser
I do find it interesting how easily "woke" is thrown around against anything the "anti-woke" don't like.
Ample evidence. Yep.
how
Talking down to his pregnant wife like she's property. Forbidding her the ability to use the car to buy the groceries he wants. Acting put upon when Not allowing her to speak at all. Acting like he's being victimized and "trapped" at home if she leaves to go to the groceries. Demanding SHE give HIS dogs their medicine while she's worried about the affect on her pregnancy.
If this looks or OK to you, then there's nothing left to say. We all see what a piece of shit he is in 4K, and no amount of willful blindness or denialism is going to make sane people doubt the evidence of their own eyes and ears
he's just trying to tell us all that he wants to behave the same way
Do you see no irony at all in your hurling vicious verbal abuse at us for just having a different opinion to you...while you say the guy who was in the tape curing was abusive??
We just have a different opinion than you...that's all...you can be civil..
It seems like you don't this so, FYI, a man being abusive towards his wife IRL !=! a stranger calling you names on the internet.
Defending abuse isn't the same as a "different opinion," BTW. If I minimized abuse by saying an adult man only fingered a little girl "for a few seconds," I would still expect to be shit on extensively in the comments.
Um... she was replying to the guy who said "f@ck you bitch" so, that is worse than the pot calling the kettle black.
100%.
it's a bit disconcerting when you define abuse as simply "differences of opinion."
Chandra is trying to tell you that her mother was murdered by the same kind of person. Differences of opinion in those cases lead to death of the victim. Can't blame her for being a little upset about that.
These internet tough guys would never act like that towards an actual man in real life.
so then Chandra is an "internet tough girl" ?
she said "fuck you" first........
if you are being honest about your mother, I am sorry for your loss
however you are not at all explaining ANYTHING... simply saying "pregnancy and divorce are dangerous times for women" does not explain how this 3 minute video is "ample evidence" fore abuse LMAO
pussy ass weirdo bitch
i will assume from you not responding that you are a bot
i cant believe you actually expected me to Google you HAHAHAHAHA
no one knows you bitch
HAHAHA you keep just repeating the same thing you weird fuck. you are great at copy and paste.
are you a bot? I am not going to google you LOL
cool. still waiting on an explanation on how this is "ample evidence" of abuse...?
if he was so abusive, then why didn't she destroy him in divorce court?
still waiting.............
STILL WAITING hahahahaha
Chandra, no one knows who you are and no one gives a single fuck who you are. Stop acting like you are some famous author LMAO
You are a crazy cunt who is incapable of making your own arguments
STILL WAITING
and here we go.... more copy and paste spam 😂 this bitch is retarded
if you are an actual author, why do you just copy and paste bullshit instead of forming your own argument....?
i'm sure that is still in the works, but you seem to think that it's easy to convince a court to keep one parent away from his children based on testimony for which there is little corroborating evidence. (thank God the ring camera was working but a lot of women or not so lucky)
If a man said that; the woman could call the police, claim verbal abuse and be scared for her life, have the man thrown out of the house and a TRO filed. Then, he would need an independent party (monitor) to be present when visiting his children. Ya, ask me how I know.
You seem to be leaving a few things out here, danny boy, like why a family court judge determined you weren't safe to be with your children unsupervised.
You could respond to that situation by playing the victim on social media, or getting into therapy to figure out how to treat people in ways that don't involve TROs and courts.
I'll explain why Charlotte Banks.
When an allegation is made, whether true or not, an emergency hearing ("ex-parte") takes place in front of a judge very quickly after the allegation is made. It is designed to be quick so a temporary remedy is put in place while evidence is gathered and brought forward later during a formal hearing. The court, NOT having any facts, will ALWAYS err on the side of caution and rule that the accused party (assuming any allegation of violence is made) must be monitored when in the presence of the children.
The monitor is assigned immediately b/c the court wants to reunite the accused party w/ the children quickly to avoid disruption in their lives. At the end of this emergency hearing, an actual hearing date is formally scheduled where both sides can present their evidence to be adjudicated. This can be weeks or months depending on court availability. The time between the ex-parte and formal hearing is when a monitor is utilized.
The monitor is supposed to keep a log and observe your interactions with the children. In my case, the monitor testified on my behalf that the alleging individual was proven to have fabricated some of the allegations.
Somebody's a conservative simp
Not to mention his side (attorney advised) may not want to comment in detail considering they are litigating. As someone in the midst of a high conflict divorce, who also faced similar allegations, it's not smart to address these issues in the public with statements that could be used against you in court. It's definitely a 1 sided article.
It’s a VIDEO of an exchange that goes on and on. There is no “sides” when only watching the video. I’ve not “read” a thing when all one needs to do is watch, assuming a it’s real.
lol he's been out there talking anyway just like Trump can't keep his dang mouth shut
Sorry for your loss. Your situation does not change the fact that false allegations of abuse by women occur daily and are done so to gain sympathy in court.
In fact, those same false allegations are heinous b/c they take resources away from the real victims of real abuse such as your mother. They also take innocent fathers away from their children.
Danny, you sound like a real justice warror, only advocating for what’s possible despite what we see with our own eyes.
Danny: did you bother to watch that video? Have you ever watched Crowder? Let’s be sure, why women (like this) end up with men (like that) will always be a mystery, but the results have always been fairly predictable.
Yes, I watched it several times.
Yes, I have seen Crowder before and enjoyed a few of his clips b/c they were logical and dealing with illogical people and illogical arguments.
That being said, I do not follow him closely and will admit know very little beyond those few clips I saw.
What you see is different from what I see which is why I am saying that context matters and we should avoid rushing to judgment until all the facts come out.
So, what you are saying is that we each have our own way to understand a multi-minute unfolding of intense emotions between a husband and wife. The dynamics between them. You might understand how or why he was talking to her the way that he was. In some cases, his positon might make sense. Does that sound right?
Yes, I think that is a fair description.
please tell me how we will ever know if all of the facts are out.
We are responding to the fact that are out.
why ES, false allegations do occur by women. we are commenting on Crowder based on the video and his own public words. You are imagining up some scenario, regardless of what is publicly known, in which Crowder is not the bad guy. And they all lived happily ever after.
cry more. sorry but not every man you run into has your psychotic fathers genes. but you do?
true, not every man is an abusive psycho, but you sound like one of them
I am sorry for your trauma, but you are displaying some excessive & aggressive behaviors ma’am.
jesus christ chandra ive read all your comments here just fucking schedule an emergency therapy meeting you nutjob
I'm not denying men commit the vast majority of violent crimes, I just think your angle here of calling everyone "pussy ass little bitches" and name dropping your murder mother might not be the most effective form of activism.
I have always liked Louder with Crowder, and for the most part, Steven Crowder.
Yes... this video is a single snapshot with absolutely no context. I get that.
HOWEVER... if the tenor of this exchange happened more than 2 times in 10 years... Crowder has BIG big problems. He IS an abuser, and should get professional help, IF he wants to get better.
Is he a "Juicer" and has "roid rage"? Good question.
If he is unable to find a side to himself, that lets him feel compassion for other people, I hope he just goes away for good. What a dick
He wont' let her have a car, bro, and won't let her use the car until she performs her "Wifely duties" of slathering dangerous chemicals on a dog while 8mos pregnant. I don't know how you can see that there isn't enough context to know whether this is abuse or not...
As we have been told. Like I said... NO CONTEXT. You can believe whatever you want... it's a free country. I've lost all respect for the guy
> Moments later, off camera, Steven Crowder, by his admission, would lose control and scream at his pregnant wife in a threatening tone, "I will fuck you up," which led his wife to flee their home.
Steven Crowder himself admitting to what he said is not an anonymous source.
> Question: Why are you presenting one side of a story, in the worst light possible, without a single shred of evidence, other than a 3 minute video without any context as to how the fight started, who started it, or even how long it lasted?
What more context do you need? What circumstances surrounding the dialog presented in the video would have made Crowder's statements acceptable?
> This feels like a poorly constructed hit job.
You've probably gaslighted yourself into bootlicking a conservative grifter who profits off your gullibility to his misinformation.
"Steven Crowder himself admitting to what he said is not an anonymous source."
Where? Link?
I think it's amusing that that is the point at which he admits losing his temper. So the rest of it is all delivered in a cold calculating way?
I wonder if it is even possible for people like this to see themselves the way other people see them.
Every sentence you write is so, so loaded with exaggeration and hyperbole, you exude hatred and you so desire someone else to hate with you.
yes I do wonder if you can possibly see yourself the way you're coming across here
He admitted saying it, unless you think the article is making that up...in which case he certainly would have contacted his lawyer.
"Without a single shred of evidence other than the evidence"
except that Steven admitted it himself.
are you illiterate or did you not read that he reached out several times to Crowder and his team but didnt receive a comment?
Because that’s what it is.
She played this out for maximum effect.
It’s pathetic and obvious.
LOL Pan-Africanism go to Somalia or South Africa and see how you get ripped out and tricked out stupid. "Black" is a color. Not a unifying identity.
Good job with the social justice btw love watching roving mobs of black teens beat a black man half to death for defending his white girlfriend, who also was dragged and beaten. Your ancestors would be proud.
You’re really an ill person.
Really, get some help…
Per the article (emphasis mine):
"As they headed inside, Crowder got angrier and angrier and was, *by his admission* (via audio I reviewed) yelling angrily and said, 'I will fuck you up.' According to *both Crowders*, Steven immediately pulled back and realized what he said."
He himself admitted it.
"He himself admitted it."
Link?
It's in the quote I included from this very article. If you're in the comments section, you have the link.
wow, you're an idiot
LOL, the woman screaming obscenities to try to shut people up apparently believes herself to be the advocate for victims. Self-righteousness is a helluva drug!
QQ
Seems like you and crowder have a lot in common.
talking to yourself in the mirror again
Jesus Christ - what a piece of shit!!
He acts like a nacissistic sociopath. It seems like he really resented Hilary getting pregnant and did everything he could to ignore it or be in denial about it. After the birth, he left and filed for divorce. The birth of the kids seems to have triggered him. It appears he was possibly abused by one or both of his parents and the idea of becoming parent himself, or his wife becoming a mom, is traumatic to him. He wanted her to "serve" him and his needs despite needing to take care of herself and their unborn children. I'm glad Hilary is finally telling the truth, before the situation escalated further. I hope they all get the help they need and that she gets sole custody and he has supervised visitation.
If he treats an adult this way in private, how will he he treat vulnerable children?
Having a father who became worse after my mother gave birth, this makes sense. He wanted kids, but couldn’t handle my mother loving anyone or anything more than him. Hence why the oldest was abused the most, as well as the dog, house plants, or anything else she showed love and affection towards. He would pick the leaves off her plants just to see if she would react.
Living with someone like this leads to those around them to become manipulative in order to survive. Those around the abuser begin to believe that they are responsible for others’ actions and emotional well-being.
Steven’s belief that his wife only wanted him for his money is a deeper rooted issue of feeling unworthy or unloved. This happens when he has abused her to the point that she does not actually live him anymore, but is in survival mode, and he knows it. I’ve seen this more than once, and it drives a man to insanity.
This is the all too common story found in the dark corners of conservative philosophy and it is what drives people away from it. Abuse and the excuses people make for it.
I really don't think it has any monopoly on conservative or liberal thought. But yeah.
No you don't. You're a lunatic and need to be put in your place and kept under supervision in a safe place.
play nice.......people are broken. Society has failed them. Public school has "f"ed them up. Drugs, alcohol, broken homes, all and sundry, and sometimes venting online is all they have, literally. People are trifles, to be used, abused, farmed for revenue and disguarded. What you are reading from them is a cry, literally, for help, for love, for concern. Remember that. Most are adult broken children. Sad.
Sitting on the patio of an expensive home, forcibly smoking a cigar at 2 p.m. while yelling at your pregnant wife to walk the dog is a picture-perfect representation of the Conservative pundit class.
Excellent reporting. I'm so glad to hear this poor women's story is getting out and Crowder gets the condemnation he deserves.
"But I don't love you, and that's the problem." And it sure is the problem! For him to say that to the mother of his child is reprehensible. There is nothing that transpired prior to this video that justifies a man saying that to his pregnant wife. That behavior alone is emblematic of a childish, abusive baby-man of a narcisist, regardless.
It is never reprehensible to be honest. She clearly not only did not love him but she was trying to falsely claim he was abusive certainly to be used for a divorce. Now that is whay is reprehensible! Being pregnant does not give a women the right or excuse to be malicious with making false accusations.
Did you miss that the not-loving-your-wife thing is the reprehensible part? Honesty is only as good as what is being said, friend.
Says who? If the wife actions are not loving.and the wife is not sharing any genuine love towards him how can you expect him to have love back. Love is a two way street. The wife was being disingenuous when saying she loved him on the camera. That was just an act for the camera. Crowder was the only one being honest there. You could tell there was nothing sincere in her words. You can't force feelings of real love especially when the other side has none for you. You can tell she had already decided to divorce him and her being disingenuous was clearly making Crowder upset and causing him to say what he was saying. You clearly are not seeing past the superficial words of the video and not grasping the underlining context and circumstances behind them.
and what were her unloving actions from the three minute video?
this is awful
The most shocking part of this whole article is that Steven Crowder only owns 1 car.
It allows him more control over his wife.
Two points:
1. When people show you who they really are, believe them.
2. How the heck do they only have one car in 2021, after Steven was already making well more than the $100k per year he was making in 2012? Probably to control her.
Exactly, and they live in Texas and not NYC or Toronto. You can’t do anything in Texas without a car.
How many of these kinds of "conversations" are happening on a daily basis throughout the US and around the world? Why is this so familiar, so common, so appalling? Doesn't matter one bit if he's a celebrity. You don't treat your pregnant wife this way.
I sincerely doubt these types of arguments are confined within the borders of the US.
Yes that's why I said "and around the world"
He should be in jail or hospitalized for the insane. This person isn’t a man, he is a monster! What does he know about the Bible or anything to do with kindness, love, caring and family. No one should ever behave this way to anyone, let alone a wife 8 months pregnant with twins. Keep the kids away from him
Nah, he seems pretty based. As a general rule, I always side with the man unless there is totally incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. The anti-male social bias is strong. Societies that are matriarchal are failures. So always side with the man unless there's incontrovertible evidence of extreme wrong doing to the contrary.
Nice try, incel
Hard unsubscribe. This is really gross.
frozen burrito thinks writing about domestic abusers is crossing the line
Maybe it's invading somones personal life by showing footage from inside their home without context claiming to show "abuse" from a guy who only once gets out of his seat and never even raises his voice.
Consider she may know this is being shared or will be just like Depp did with his recordings so is gonna sound v reasonable.
I've seen guys do psychological manipulation but I've also seen women sound totally reasonable when doing it to make the
You have to be v v careful with these out of context internet videos I've been manipulated and burned by them before.
I've lived psychological manipulation I know it's a thing, it can be worse than physical because the abuser does it in a way that's so subtle to make the guy look like the crazy one.
Stop thinking about what team you are on guys and try looking at it as person X verses person y.
Firstly, how could Crowder, someone that claims they idealize and adhere to traditional gender roles in marriage do this to his wife?! He throws a fit about her taking the car, and suggests that she takes a Uber! She is 8 months pregnant and his wife! What a strong man, looking out for his wife and their progeny!
Secondly, he then makes her "put on gloves and walk the dogs". She has rightful reservations that the meds could be teratogenic. Once again he fails as the "father/man" role he always expounds! Why couldn't he walk the dogs? Why doesn't he want to protect his children?!
Thirdly, he wasn't present for the birth.....failed again.
Fourthly, he loses his cool witnessed in this video and also later according to his own admission. According to him and conservatives, women, the left, weak individuals are supposed to be hysterical and emotionally lose their cool. The only hysterical one is him, what a fraud!
Oh, and what kind of man smokes around his pregnant wife?! I'm glad that teamster clocked him!
here's my thought about where she wanted to go with the car, she probably did have some errands to run but also might've been going to talk to a lawyer or a therapist and didn't want him to know. An Uber rental would give a record of where she went.
Nothing in that video is defensible and nothing in your comment is defensible. You're twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to defend the indefensible because you like Crowder. Disgusting.
when person X is not the one screaming and yelling, then person Y is the abuser when he is screaming and yelling and using profanities especially considering person X is eight months pregnant with twins
Good luck every getting pussy lmao
Take care of your first-hand bias before you abusively attack the person you're replying to.
The abusive attacks on this thread are being made by the prior commenter/Hardy!!
I am really sorry for what you've gone through but I just want to say that there are better ways to express your story and explain the progression of abuse so that you don't give these guys more self-satisfaction at thinking they are correct.
Do you consider "Fuck you, cunt." to be verbal abuse?
Retards like andkon need to get their internet privileges taken away.
Let me guess... someone who uses the word "retard" as a pejorative and wants to silence someone is deeply concerned about abuse. 🙄
Nobody was murdered in this clip. No murder was threatened. No violence of any kind took place.
So I'm not sure why you'd bring that up. But if we're doing the oppression Olympics game you Americans love to play let's play: I got Cowders wife beat.
I read the article..ok so let's assume he talks down to get regularly in a domineering way and wanted her to handle dog food she thought was risky....let's assume those.
That's it? This is the worst they could find...according to the article with the video this is the 'pinnacle ' of his abuse?
Well I'm sorry but it confirms what I've always thought about Americans, especially middle class and above...youve gone soft as shit in the last 20 years and wouldn't know a real challenge if it bit you in the ass.
As someone (since we're doin that) who has had ACTUAL abuse (no Yanks people SAYING mean stuff to you is not the same as full on abuse) both physical and violent sexual when a kid from adult figures I would have traded the abuse she shows here for what I got in a hit second.
"Wifely duties" are we to really honestly believe that she married this hardcore neanderthal conservative without realising he had more traditional (perhaps backward?) ideas on how marriage works? That she's just finding this out now and is SHOCKED! SHOCKED TO FIND GAMBLING IN THIS CASINO!!?
she brings it up because this is where it starts and you guys keep saying that we only know this three minute video. Yeah that's why we are pretty convinced there's a whole lot more worse going on that we don't see. Plus we know about his abuses toward his coworkers and colleagues. By the time it gets to the point where it's leaking out into your work life, it's got to be terrible at home.
Verbal abuse leads to death... but also "Fuck you, cunt."
"abuse"
hey look, more copy and paste spam bullshit coming from you instead of an actual argument
what a surprise!
Somebody's a conservative simp
Is this what passes for abuse nowadays? lmao
If you think this is a “normal” interaction within a marriage: no wonder you vote for toxic Republicans. That’s what you grew up with, it’s what you know. Sad. Very sad. This is not normal.
What do Republicans/Democrats have to do with this? For fvck sake, not everything boils down to politics. Assuming you voted for Biden, do you not consider him toxic for taking showers with his own daughter? How about Clinton fvcking everything that had breasts on his way up the political ladder and getting a blow job from a fat intern in the Oval Office? Because you voted for them, is that what you grew up with and all you know?
If you can't see the direct correlation between the fact a republican political media personality who is very clear about his deliberate misogynistic public ideology might also be toxic and misogynistic at home and in his personal relationships, and that his supporters might also share the same views, then perhaps you aren't intellectually equipped to handle this story
Perhaps you are so full of hate for conservatives that you are not intellectually equipped to handle this story.
ah, the "No, u" reply. I see we're dealing with a titan of intellect here.
possibly but sorry to burst your bubble, I'm a lifelong conservative, far more conservative than the GOP is right now especially on the issue of abortion (which is just the strong picking on the weak and defenseless) But I don't equate abuse with being a conservative or liberal, in fact it should not be associated with any party. However the GOP seems to have now embraced it.
Crowder _literally_ believes that his wife is his property and has made statements alluding to the fact multiple times. He's also a political media personality and literally preaches this kind of behavior on a national program to millions of people on a daily basis.
He's quite literally telling his followers to behave according to this toxic and misogynistic ideology and you don't seem to be coherent enough to see the correlation between that and his personal relationship failings.
Maybe ask your grandkids to explain it to you.
You're defending a right-wing talk show host who abuses his wife because you're mad online.
Take a step back and look at what you're doing. Ask your wife how she feels about you spending your evening online defending domestic abusers.
Seriously? What does politics have to do with it? Is that the only question you could think up? And immediately go into the whole “But, but, but...” to throw the ball out of the court when it’s on fire.
It’s called PROJECTION and it doesn’t work on people who are informed.
First of all the Biden “history” you are referring to is untrue. Bill Clinton was a womanizer, as MANY men in politics are.... should we mention the last guy that lost? The one who screwed a porn star while his wife was home with an infant. Yes: that one. The one walking into changing rooms with naked girls changing at pageant shows. Who grabs women by the pu$$y. That one you forgot to mention.
Republicans are ADDICTED to put downs, negativity, blaming, and screaming & yelling. It’s obvious from the TV & radio channels Republicans follow. Non-stop negativity and blame, never taking any responsibility for anything.
LMAO....ever hear of a guy named Hunter Biden....FYI the porn under oath said Trump never had sex with her.
Al Gore, abused Tipper and screwed around on her.
Demoncraps are all about projection, screaming and whining like little kids blaming everyone of what they do....how many Pedo dems have to be caught before the world realizes they are the party of perversion. Democratic mayor of a college town outside Washington, D.C., was arrested Thursday for possession and distribution of child pornography.
This is an article about Steven Crowder and his abuse.
Your response to this abuse is "but look at everyone else that I don't like" instead of condemning it.
It's pathetically transparent and doesn't convince anyone of anything other than the fact you are embarrassed by Crowder's abuse and are afraid to directly address it.
I'm a Republican and have no problem saying that Trump is a piece of shit human being and Crowder appears to be one as well. I bet you aren't willing to say the same about the Bidens or Bill Clinton.
What a weird statement.
If either of them told their wife that they would "fuck them up" I'd disavow them as well.
I'm not particularly fans of either of them and have no idea why you seem to believe otherwise, other than the fact that your brain is clearly so caught-up in the culture wars that you don't have any other way to process conflict or disagreement without framing it as a 'red vs blue' issue.
I think he was responding to the person who first brought politics into the argument
is Hunter Biden running for office? Who knew?!
I tend to assume the kinds of people who want to take away women's reproductive freedoms and believe wives should be subservient to their husbands are generally more likely to treat their wives like animals.
now seeI kind of think of it as the opposite because abortion is the best picture of the strong destroying the weak and defenseless.
Maybe those men wouldn’t want the females they love to go through the trauma. Many women suffer from terrible(destructive)guilt & persistent depression after their abortion, you know!!
Are those female guinea pigs? Llamas?
Nah, animal rights activists would be outraged silly goose !!
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Are you suggesting that Sue is a clown. If so, I agree.
No hon, I'm calling you one🤡🤣
J seems to lack reading comprehension skills.
That's all you got Jasmine? Can't argue the point so you just respond with an unoriginal emoji?
You just posted straight up bullshit🤣 Troll elsewhere 🤡🤣
What was bullshit?
What's the point of arguing with a person that refuses to see a correlation so clear it could serve as a storefront. Moron.
Nothing wrong with getting a blowie in the Oval, socially enforced monogamy and sexual repression are cringe AF and families bathing together is pretty normal, it's actually weird that you would think that's anywhere near sexual.
It is not normal for Dads to shower with their daughters you freak
Yet again you're trying to deflect the discussion away from Crowder.
No, Crowder seems like a piece of shit. The original post I replied to called somebody out for voting for "toxic Republicans", I pointed out how 2 of the most prominent Democrats are disgusting human beings yet she supports them, and here we are. A father showering naked with his daughter is galactically more disgusting than Crowders verbal/emotional abuse towards his wife, yet that person supports Biden without question because he is a Democrat. It's hypocrisy, I can't comprehend this for you.
So you think Crowder is a piece of shit, but you're using the comments section of an article on Crowder to advance your own personal politics?
Everyone else in these comments is discussing Crowder. Weird stuff from you dude.
Good grief, the person I originally replied to made it political for absolutely no reason so I called her out on it and here we are. Again, I can explain to you how we arrived at this point until I am blue in the face, but I can't comprehend it for you.
Biden showers with his own daughter is news to me. I agree it shouldn't be political but we have a former president who has made verbal abuse normal and encouraging violence normal. So that the people who already thought it was normal are now less concerned about hiding it.
oh, and there are plenty of examples of trump lusting over his eldest girl.
in the interest of transparency no, I did not vote for either of the two useless parties.
Take it from somebody who just had their 42'd anniversary. This DOES NOT rise to the level of emotional abuse. You could put a camera on any married couple and over time you would see arguments that could make either the husband or the wife look like an a$$hole. There is no screaming there is not physical abuse, there is only disagreement. People are too quick to pull the Divorce string these days because they don't want to put in the effort to make the marriage work. During our 42 years of marriage and there have been dozens of disagreements any of of which you could make an argument that either one of us were a$$holes, but here we are still loving each other, and yes even after 42 years we still have the occasional disagreement but we are willing to stick with it and make it work.
Do you regularly yell "I will fuck you up" at your partner?
You are absolutely the abuser in your relationship....
ONLY an abuser would find this “normal”.
Your wife must have been raised the same way you were; in a toxic household.
Wow. Decades of marriage here and if my husband ever treated me with the contempt displayed in this video, I'd be long gone. Speaking this way to a spouse does not constitute "putting in the effort." It reflects a decision that being treated poorly is something one or both parties accept and expect.
Its abuse. Never ever ever treated a woman like that....ever. Never went to bed angry, never woke up angry. I guess it comes down to mutual respect and mutual love. Different strokes for different folks.
Going on 32 years here , & it was most definitely abuse in the video.
I am sorry that you seem to have these kinds of similar episodes that have desensitized you to understanding what real abuse is.
Watch the old gaslight movie. No screaming or hollering in that either. It's based on a phenomenon that many malefactors use in their intimate relationships to get what they want.
It's a typical interaction in a marriage gone bad, whether the partners are toxic Republicans, self-righteous Democrats, hardass conservatives, or hysterical liberals.
I think he was agreeing with you, that the behavior was "typical" when the marriage has gone bad, and it is irrelevant what political party the people are identifying with.
One person doesn't represent the entire conservative population of America you dumb arse. I don't know any conservative men who treat their wives this way. And .. we don't know the whole story. His wife may have been a shrew.
He literally has a talk show where he speaks for the conservative movement in America. He literally does speaking engagements at colleges for the conservative movement in America. He is - in the most literal sense - a poster boy for the conservative movement in America.
Own your own.
40% of cops, who are majorly republican leaning, abuse their families at home. Moron.
What do you think of the 75% of black fathers who abandon their HO and her children. Most of them vote democrat. The lives of their children are merciless. Is that abuse?
Largely that is due to things like the unethical and immoral war on drugs and historical policies that prevented the accumulation of generational wealth. The issues you speak of don't track to race, but to poverty and broken homes (a result of policies that criminalize people for preferring substances other than alcohol, even though alcohol causes more harm to users and society than any other recreational drug, see: "Drug Harms in the UK: a multicriteria decision analysis" published in The Lancet).
boring troll has boring right-wing talking points that boring troll uses to distract from the fact his idol is an abuser
exactly what does that have to do with Steven Crowder?
Replying “and there goes the racism as a deflection tactic” to 'J West' is disingenuous when considering the context of, and responses to, his initial comment. I’ll break it down for you:
1.) JW commented “one person doesn’t represent the entire conservative population.” This is an accurate statement. You cannot objectively judge any group of people based on the actions of an individual.
2.) 'Responding to a Stupid Fuck' clearly disagrees with JW and his beliefs on judgment when he replies with this:
“40% of cops, who are majorly republican leaning, abuse their families at home.”
In response to RSF, JW displays a clear logical-fallacy in RSF's reasoning when he makes replies back with:
“What do you think of the 75% of black fathers who abandon their HO and their children? Most of them vote democrat.”
This is not a racist statement. JW made this statement to highlight the flaws in RSF argument. JW made this comment to highlight that if you are using statistics to judge one group by the actions of a few, you must then judge ALL groups by the actions of a few.
Humans are vastly different, and the beliefs of a political party will translate differently for everyone. I am a moderate-conservative and, yes, I believe Crowder to be abusive after reviewing the evidence, but I also cannot overlook the very obvious bias people have when picking and choosing which statistics to throw around in attempts to prove their points.
all agree that one person doesn't represent all of any one body of thought, however, Crowder got to where he was by appealing to conservatives and being "witty" pushing the envelope, making fun of people, and pushing some pretty absurd chauvinistic ideas about marriage (and as a Christian I see the way he's doing it is actually undermining Christian marriage, reconciliation and forgiveness)
So if he became popular by doing all of this obnoxious stuff then it stands to reason that there is a large percentage of the conservative population that finds his behavior acceptable... that's why he was able to make money doing it.
she might've been, so that gives him the excuse?
You do realize Shakespeare was fiction?
Notice they are all just thinking about their stupid team fights not explaining where the abuse it?
Can one of you stop talking about politics and explain what you consider abuse in that clip?
it's all throughout, and if you can't see it I'm not sure how we can help you but maybe you need therapy
Not all abuse is physical.
This is absolutely emotionally abusive behavior. I look at this interaction and 100% understand why she divorced him.
However, it is possible that his wife is an insufferable twat. We just don't know the story in it's entirely now do we.
You're making a very compelling argument, but it's not the one you believe you're making.
Anything is possible. I don't see her being that in this video though. I see a woman desperately trying to leave knowing that her husband is extremely controlling and likely to physically prevent her from leaving if she doesn't go about it just right.
That is a cop out. Steve is a rat. That was his "heart" talking. I seen enough. Trust.
it's also quite possible that Crowder himself is an insufferable Twat. In fact this video is proof. They both knew the camera was there but she's the one that tried to be reasonable. What does that say about Steven?
If you find your wife insufferable, the correct thing to do is arrange for a divorce. Even better would have been to live together first to test compatibility.
Ask your wife.
To normal people, yes. Not to neanderthals.
As someone who is in the top 1% of Neanderthal DNA (334 variants; per 23andme), I ask you to retract your racist comments. We high Neanderthal content humans are the survivors of a GENOCIDE, not a punchline!
The tests are fake. Sorry to tell you. There is a video or two of identical twins testing different and a man swabbing his poodle's asshole and it coming back as European. He was Latino. "Its easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled." Mark Twain
If you hurt your wife's feelings, it's abuse. If it gets posted on line, the entire herd will come to her defense.
If you tell your wife "I will fuck you up", you deserve to be vilified for the scum you are.
And even then, you'll have sycophantic incels (this is the part where you come in Danno) crawling to the comments section to defend your abuse because they have no idea what a healthy relationship looks like.
Threatening your pregnant wife with violence is just "hurting her feelings?" Your household must have been a den of domestic abuse.
It's almost too easy to spot the users in this thread that will never enter into a long-term healthy relationship with their partner.
This appears to be the standard.
To normal people, yes; this absolutely qualifies as abuse.
Your definition of what constitutes abuse in a relationship is most likely nonexistent, however.
Yes, the fact that you refuse to recognize it means that it's been so normalized in your mind that you don't even see the problem. Honestly, I legitimately just feel bad for you.
No this what passes for a rat ass coward who is talking tough to a pregnant female. A woman to whom he should cherish, after all she was good enough to "f" but not good enough to respect. Steve Crowder is a sissy, because what man, WWII, treats women like that? I'm old school. Back in the day he would have to answer for disrespecting the "honor" of that woman.
My people are from the south, old south. We don't play that.
also, they keep telling us that we only have the three minutes by which to judge. And considering both of them knew the camera was there, you would think that Crowder would've made his behavior a little more acceptable. but he did not. Or maybe he tried and this is what he thought was more acceptable than his usual.
Who's to say that all of the "missing context" doesn't make SC's behavior actually far far worse?
And when will they concede that enough context has been given? Never, I would expect.
Yikes. My husband has never spoken to me with even 1% of the hostility that Steven Crowder directs at his wife here. That’s not how a man treats a woman.
The amount of people that see nothing wrong with this video is terrifying.
I hope you guys stay single forever, and if you’re not single rn, I hope your wives are safely planning a way to leave you.
I agree, but would point out it's not only men who think this is fine. Plenty of dudes defending Crowder who are still married.
well they've got their wives under their thumbs I suppose.
Revenue streams into the millions and he hasn't bought his pregnant wife a car?
Wow this is bad. Not only in the “abuse is bad” sense, but how stupid and immature he is as a communicator. He’s like a kid who says what he thinks “strong adult men” should say. He’s not only not doing any service to her, he’s not even doing any service to himself. This is a lose-lose situation, and he only stuck in it because he either doesn’t know or afraid to act differently. Probably because he got something to hide, something that would compromise his masculinity in his view - so he chooses toxic masculinity, he’d rather be seen as a toxic male, but at least it puts him safely on the “male” side.
i'm sitting here constantly wondering if the "wifely duties" that she was supposed to have performed was his afternoon delights. 🙄 but she had a different appointment to get to, and he wasn't having any of it. Can't blame her for trying to flee if she is "required" to perform certain "wifely duties" before she gets to leave the house.
I just watched the video, and honestly I feel everyone is making it out worse than what it was. We do NOT know the context prior to this video. We have no idea of their mental state nor what led up to this exchange. We also know very little about their marriage/relationship. I would also like to know what context the "I will fuck you up" comment was. Did he mean physically? Did he mean legally in court? Did he mean in public relations/narrative?
It seems there is little respect by both of them for each other and I recognize it b/c I had a similar marriage and recognize this type of verbal exchange.
If he is referencing "wifely duties" and they had a traditional marriage where he is the bread winner and she runs the house, but, is not pulling her weight; is it fair play?
I guess my point is that there is too little evidence w/ too little context to make an informed judgment or assessment on the situation.
Bro, there is no space for that behaviour. I bet you're divorced too if you think this is OK.
Also; anyone else find it bizarre that they only own 1 car?
I bet he prefers it that way. Easier to control her if there's only one vehicle and he gets priority use.
I bet you have no idea and that's total speculation.
Is there another reason why a family with 2 adults making millions a year wouldn't have a second car?
Its not really speculation if you watch the video. It's a pretty informed guess.
It could be that the other car was in the shop getting fixed?
The fact that they are explicitly arguing about the car, would indicate that this is not a usual thing.
If it was a usual thing, AKA the wife not having a car for herself at all, Steven wouldn't have to explicitly remind her that he would be stranded if she used the car herself. It would have gone without saying, right?
Anything's possible, however Steven says a lot of things in this conversation that are unusual and indicate he's a controlling, abusive dude, so I'm not sure "he wouldn't have said X unless it was a special situation" applies here.
here's my guess about the car, she wanted to take the car because she had errands to run and possibly wanted to go talk to a lawyer. Steven would have preferred her to take an Uber which would i imagine leave a record so that he would know where she went.
If you can't see how this is abusive, please do the world a favor and stay out of relationships until you understand why this behavior is not in any way, shape, or form acceptable.
so when will you concede that there is enough context? How will you know if it has all been released?
Generally in these types of situations this is just the tip of the iceberg and things are far far worse on a day-to-day basis. This is because most people try to hide their bad behavior toward their spouse from the public.
So yeah I'm thinking about context, I'm thinking that chances are it's worse.
One car? He's making LOTS of money, and he won't buy a second rig? ???
Tells me all I need to know about Mr. Crowder.
It doesn't shock me at all that Steven Crowder emotionally abused his wife. The video is disgusting & he's disgusting.
Regardless of the reasoning...a self professed Christian and a self professed conservative treating his pregnant wife that way??? What a JAGOFF.
This is literally what conservatives, especially the christian/jewish/muslim ones advocate for, so if anything those qualities make this less surprising.
actually this is never what I had learned as a Christian growing up and still a Christian at 53. There were times when a few people in our denomination tried to bring in stuff like the bill gothard nonsense, but it definitely did not make a positive impression on me.
OMG what a creep.
The video was difficult to watch. S. Crowder is a millionaire. Could he not afford a second car, a dog walker, someone to ease the chores of his wife who was a very short time from giving birth? The days shortly before she gave birth should have been when he was most kind, appreciative, considerate, loving, and affectionate - it was not the time to badger her about her "wifely duties". His treatment of his wife was appalling no matter the state of their marriage. Did his behavior rise to the level of abuse? Yes - the most hurtful and damaging abuse is not always physical. And I know of what I speak...
This is disgusting abuse. Glad she was able to get her and her children away
why would you put your pregnant wife under this type of mental stress, Steven is a manchild who deserves to be alone with his intolerable self what a POS.
This guy is a fucking dick. Not much more to say. I feel bad for her. Awful thing to watch.
>plan on divorce-raping your husband
>start secretly recording him
>pick fights with him in view of the camera
>edit the video to remove the context, so that it only shows him when he's angry
>release deceptively-edited video to destroy his reputation
>play victim
>live comfortably off the child support payments and alimony for the next 18 years
many such cases.
>He had divorce lawyers too, your argument is invalid.
>This is a ring video you dingus, she wasn't 'recording him', your lack of technological prowess amazes me.
>She is trying to leave and he is forcing her into an ultimatum, he is starting it.
>Doesn't matter, 'context' doesn't erase acting like a jerk for a few minutes we see.
>Poisoning the well, nice try with your logical fallacy.
>You're right, Crowder sure did play the victim when asked to justify no fault divorce because he was emotionally abusive.
>Trial hasn't happened yet, and if it does, good because he is rich and she is the mother. He wasn't even there for their twins birth. Your argument is even more invalid.
What's next snowflake, you are going to cry because Daddy Crowder didn't feed you milkies from a bottle because he was too busy yelling and gaslighting his ex wife?
Name one.
I've definitely had texts used against me that were out of context in a divorce. Furthermore, yes, we don't know much outside of this video. I've had plenty of instances where my ex-wife would yell at me ala Amber Hurd: "you piece of shit", "I fucken hate you", "You're a pussy!" and then later come to me to say we need to "heal our marriage".
So, seeing this stuff hits home b/c after others reviewed months of my own personal messages w/ her, it was evident that I, as the man, was in fact the target/receiver of verbal abuse and sometimes emotional abuse when the opposite is what was originally alleged.
Okay, and? None of those examples are threatening you lil small-dicked pussy. Him yelling at his PREGNANT wife "WATCH IT" is gross and the fact he followed it up with "I"LL FUCK YOU UP" shows some INTENSE abusive patterns.
It's "funny" that so many defenders of women who are claiming abuse have no problem with verbal abuse like "you lil small-dicked pussy."
Chandra in the comments is telling people "Fuck you, cunt."
They're sooo concerned about abuse though 🙄
That's always such a give away...
look, I have a problem with name-calling sure. I used to do it far too much. I realized it doesn't actually get through to anybody except people who already agree with me. But calling a stranger names on the Internet is different than calling your *intimate partner* names, browbeating, controlling their movement, and threatening, especially when they are eight months pregnant with twins.
Are those also the same women whose number one trait in a man is to be "self-aware"? Hahahahahah. Can't make this stuff up.
so what do you do when you run into a conservative woman who agrees with you on how someone should present their case but disagrees with you on whether Crowder was being abusive towards his wife?
Be careful, because tu quoque is not a valid argument.
Calm down! She’s no longer with him Paul!!
so because you married an abusive woman then every woman is an abusive woman...ok i gotcha.
I have news for you, it goes both ways and in this video the abuse is going from Steven to Hillary.
What excuse are you going to give for Steven when his male coworkers (who agree with him politically and probably religiously as well ) claiming that he exposed himself to them regularly and sexually harassed some of them?
If the texts were "out of context," why not share the entire thread to make things clear?
If your partner yells that you're a piece of shit and they hate you, that's a clue it's a bad relationship and you should get out. People in healthy relationships don't behave that way.
Yes, that is why I filed for divorce from her.
they both knew the camera was there.
You are 100% out of your gourd.
men are not a liability. Some men truly are. And it has become more fashionable lately again, so the percentage has gone up.
Don't see anything other than two people arguing... but sure as hell do see a manipulative woman who released this recorded private dirty laundry to garner sympathy.
well congratulations on announcing your unsuitability as a life partner if anyone is looking
Right. Like I said it doesn't look any different than the videos I've seen for 20 years as a divorce attorney. I've seen many way way worse than that, those people didn't go to jail. It's evidence yes, but no crime. Just makes him look like a jerk, that's what a hit piece is for......
I am so because you are jaded due to your line of work, that means Steven didn't /doesn't abuse.
are lawyers supposed to be above all that fallacious reasoning?
Not a good look for Steven. However - show me a marriage wherein you can't find 3 minutes of unreasonable argument. 3 minutes does not define a relationship. Presumably, that same Ring camera system captured ALL of their relationship, right? Where's the rest?
My parents argued all the time, and eventually ended their relationship with an amicable divorce. They never approached anything like this. If you think this is standard behavior you're fucked up.
3 minutes of video that is SPLIT down the middle, nonetheless
These are not the droids you are looking for!
because that's how ring cameras work
Gotcha! Your opinion is more important than everybody elses because you've been traumatized...
For what it's worth, I sincerely empathize with you for such tragedy.
oh please there are plenty of men on here whining about the trauma they've experienced from women, too.
Seems like a typical case of a woman not wanting to take direction or leadership. She is playing up the distress and being dismissive in a very disingenuous way. He seems sincere, even if it is an emotionally charged situation.
Comes across like she knew this would be captured and was playing to the camera. If her and her attorneys are so concerned about the divorce being discussed, why leak this?
And why would an Uber not be more convenient for a pregnant woman to get in and out of a store?
Has Amber Heard vibes all over it.
A marriage should not have a power dynamic. Your comment reeks of someone who's never been in a peer relationship.
You have obviously never been in the real world with your eyes open objectively. Women play the victim, while passive aggressively domineering through fake niceness, all to get their way, on a regular basis.
The wife is the one imposing a power dynamic here. She is avoiding the point at hand that he is presenting and being obstinate. She is asserting her will. With her stomach hanging out as if that is going to get her sympathy from naïve people like you.
You
>with her stomach hanging out
she is pregnant with his child and she can wear whatever she wants around the house
hot damn that one put a heat under my collar
>she is asserting her will
she is asking to use the car to get groceries, while he's denying that to her and telling her she needs to learn 'respect' because she doesn't want to apply meds that are potentially toxic to pregnant women because she is A MONTH away from giving birth
>she is ignoring the point at hand
what is the point? that she should just NOT get groceries? That she should risk the health of their unborn child because he doesn't want to make the effort to apply meds to a sick animal? seriously, how else other than 'total submission' would you have wanted this interaction to end?
>you have obviously never been in the real world
Wow, I just must've been living in a fake one and never noticed that all the trees and shrubbery were cardboard cut-outs.
Your perspective on 'the real world' is severely biased or damaged; most likely either from relationship-related trauma, or from projecting your own personality traits onto others. Seek out therapy, if you're able, and possibly you can recover.
Women walk around like this with their stomachs hanging out in public as well because they see it online like lemmings, copy catting.
She is pregnant yes, maybe she should be reasonable and understand that she could simply take an Uber which would be much safer than her driving and more convenient.
It's simple, she is being patronizing to him like "text me and I'll get you what you want" instead of addressing a single point he has put forward. She side stepped the substance to assert her will unilaterally. All the while trying to come across as reasonable. This is a typical tact of females these days. It is less like a relationship dialogue and more like an HR or press secretary.
No, she offered a solution (text me...what you want) so she can run the errands that he for some reason won't run while she's 8 months pregnant.
*He* could have taken an uber. She's the one with multiple trips she has to complete. And you're right, he does seem sincere. He isn't lying or trying to be deceitful, he is very straightforwardly emotionally abusive. She tells him she loves him and he responds "I don't love you, that's the problem" to his EIGHT MONTH PREGNANT WIFE.
I'm not gonna act like their relationship was all sunshine and rainbows and that she was never manipulative or they've never argued in the past where she wasn't ever at fault, because that's absurd. But the end result is he
A) tried to assert *his* will over his wife by forcing her to use medication she has a *rational* fear over using because *she* is pregnant and *he* is not
B ) told her he doesn't love her
C) Tried to prevent her from using the car to run errands that he wouldn't do, with no alternative offered
D) showed actual 0 empathy, care, or patience.
That last one is obviously emotinally charged, but come on, man. She's 8 months pregnant. I'm not asking for a pity party for 9 straight months on someone just because they're knocked up. But if you have a wife, right, pregnant 8 months with your child, and you're berating, insulting, and denouncing your love for them because of possibly dangerous dog meds, do you REALLY think you're doing everything in your 'manly' duties? You're supposed to show patience and care even in situations where they could have done somethings/gotten to something because that's just what marriage is. If you want unemotional purely logical "handle A/B/C/D no exceptions" then get a roommate not a pregnant wife.
to be honest my thoughts about the car control and telling her to use an Uber is that he wanted a record of where she had to go.
You are coping and making things way too complicated. He is the leader and much smarter than her. She is acting out and trying to pass it off as being reasonable in this clip. She is faking this whole distress play.
This u: https://youtu.be/a8MZBUoQt68
seriously are you 13?
tell the truth you like Bill Gothard am I right?
oh actually I have been involved in watching a friends marriage fall apart where the woman was the manipulator. I even offered an affidavit about their behavior to the family court. Yes I know it goes both ways. That doesn't make Crowder's behavior any better towards his wife.
I've had to take Ubers to get to the grocery store before. It was 20 minutes to get a car to show up, 15 minutes to the store, 20-30 minutes to get what I needed, another 20 minutes to request a ride home, 15 minutes back. It could have been as simple as hopping into a car and being done and home within the hour instead of a 2-hour endeavor. I'd also say that it is ENTIRELY for the benefit of the household because people need to eat and nobody can cook dinner if there's not the supplies for it. Him being salty about this is completely unjustified because objectively, it benefits him, and from what he is saying - 'what IF i wanted to go somewhere' he didn't actually have plans made that afternoon. Come on, man, you know what this is, don't make up excuses for someone who's a total stranger to you.
Ubers leave a record of where you're gonna go, I imagine. Maybe she wanted to go talk to her therapist or her divorce lawyer.
Holy. Shit.
Get help or stay away from women, please.
Learn to humble yourself and understand that you don't always know what the answers are. Don't be a pain in the ass
are you talking to yourself again?
why yes, every woman should be happy to be told what to do by a guy who just sits on the couch ordering. lol you were born in the wrong millennium. try the 1300s.
why would their car not be available?
Why can't Steven take an Uber?
Well, she released the video in contravention of court orders related to privacy. She shouldn't have provided the video to Yashar.
Crowder announced that he is going to ask the judge to release all of the records related to the divorce to the public.
So, she plays quite dirty, which is what I suspected all along. Her little manipulative crying scene just didn't ring true. She is just trying to get as much $$$ out of the divorce as possible and likely trying to keep him from seeing the kids at all. Women play these ridiculous games with the father of their kids regularly.
pretty sure she didn't release it, her family did, and the order I thought came after all of this.
However Steven was the one who was threatening to release everything.
Oh please.... to compare this to your daughter's story is ridiculous.
You sure it was not you doing the murdering? You don't sound very stable.
"Fuck you, pussy ass little bitch." but also "It starts with verbal abuse, then physical, then death."
Is that a threat?
This is a troll. Reeks of antifa. Bad acting. Way over the top.
i'm not a fan of using profanity to get my point across. However I don't think any amount of logic will get through to you in any case.
You are using the same tired responses to everyone's comments. Not only is it pathetic and inneffective, you are disgracing the honor of your mother by continually posting this garbage over and over.
No one wants their tragic death used as a victim shield to brag about so that someone can spread their venomous anger to the world. Fix yourself from within, then move out into the world with grace you nut case.
The wife knew about the camera and was planning for a recorded argument to try to claim this was evidence of him being abusive the whole marriage. She was acting for the camera.That was not remotely abusive by Crowder. Come on that was an argument and she was being absolutely disingenuous about saying she loved him. That was an act for the cameras. This was about the wife not wanting to take the blame for the marriage ending and aiming for a bigger divorce settlement. Go through an ugly divorce once and you will understand what I am saying.
Do you regularly scream "I WILL FUCK YOU UP!" to your partner?
Because that statement is considered a threat of violence in pretty much every state in the country. It's abusive and you're an abuse-enabler.
Except there is no proof he said that nor should anyone believe he did.
except that he himself admitted it
He looks awfully relaxed for someone who's been drawn into a performative argument.
From his body language, it's much more likely this is how he normally behaves. She wasn't acting and neither was she. If she was, he would have said so. What we're seeing is an everyday interaction in which the guy believes he can set the expectations and criticize his wife for not meeting them. Toxic and controlling. He's relaxed and she's frightened. It's not surprising that you went through an ugly divorce; you don't understand what a healthy argument looks like and most likely mistreated your ex. It doesn't make it okay if she was also abusive, you should have separated before things devolved to that ugly state.
It's quite possible to learn from the past instead of marinating in it and feeling hatred toward all women. Up to you to do the work.
Crowder did not realize she was setting him up for the video. Nothing he said was bad. I am sure that was his normal. She was trying to push his buttons and frustrate him to get that reaction. See how you respond if someone falsely claims you are being abusive. See how you react if your partner never helps with anything around the chores of the house and completely have zero care about an extremely unfair situation. Looked like she was trying to show as little care as possible to these matters. If there was any abuse it was her disingenuous claim of love for him and her fake exaggerated claim of him being abusive.
You know nothing of me but ready to claim I was abusive of my ex-wife. My ex wife tried to emotionally blackmail me to stay in that marriage. I was only guilty of being young and stupid at the time to pick someone i was incompatible with and getting married so quickly before getting to know them. Married after a month meeting. Learned from my mistake and did not repeat with the second marriage.
wow you're pretty dang easily fooled, are you sure that isn't why you got taken advantage of by some woman?
Can't say for sure that's what happened, but, it's certainly plausible and I know from experience it kind of looks like that.
What I can say w/ 100% certainty is that this would not be the 1st time this situation was planned out, acted, recorded and then used as leverage w/ the term "abuse" by a woman against a man.
What exactly do you think is happening here? She's a ventriloquist that stuck her hand up his ass to make him say those things? What happened to personal responsibility?
conservatives believe in personal responsibility??? 😂
you know what else is plausible, that this is only the tip of the iceberg of abuse that she regularly endures.
you don't know how ring cameras work ?
Steven knew it was there and he thought his behavior was just fine.
This was manipulation from the wife. Plain and simple.
Please quit your fake story.
no you need to quit your fake story Max
You are harming your own reputation well enough on your own.
I am someone anonymous on the internet. If you are using your real name then clearly you are the one putting your reputation.on the line in a negative manner.
She better get ST LEAST half for having to deal with his bs. What a pathetic bully he is. He's on steroids, isn't he?
If this is true, this guy is an a--hole. Period. No excuse for berating another person, let alone a wife - pregnant - and companion for years, this way. Thank the gods this never deteriorated to physical abuse. This video shows a man who never grew up - still an adolescent.
The idea that a 3 minute video is as definitive as you write is frightening and adolescent.
I imagine, optimistically, that the weight of mid-life and mixed success was burdening Crowder and he lashed out unwisely at his wife. That's what I hope. For that matter I hope they reconcile their issues and focus on their family whether married or not.
I also imagine that many commenters have no ideals of foundational mooring and are completely unaccountable for anything because they make no claim to any moral high ground. Folks without morals abuse relentlessly and that is their code of ethics. Crowder would be wise to make changes that lighten his burden and encourage his outlook and reconcile as much as possible with his wife.
why yes, the larger context of their marriage is probably much much worse (since they both knew where the ring camera was) you're right , three minutes is hardly enough to judge how bad it is.
Hey fella - I stated IF IT IS TRUE. Please be honest and not simply look for an excuse to demonstrate your intellectual or moral superiority. Your first sentence destroyed your entire argument - be more careful and you will succeed in making your points.
If it is true or if it isn't true, I stick to my notion that "The idea that a 3 minute video is as definitive as you write is frightening and adolescent."
My point was and is clear. I made no argument.
This is a typical husband and wife argument nothing to see here. Although, he's rich, buy a 2nd car, I mean wtf?
I know, right!?!?
so you don't understand why he has no second car even though this argument is about using the one car they have. You're getting warm, keep looking!
Hey 2 random comments on the internet that I don’t agree with obviously abusers. 🤡
Typical Trump loving Christian. God bless white male America
So you are a racist, a sexist, and judge people based on their religion? Seems very accepting of you
standard democrat
Keep crying little bitch 🤣. Nobody has any reason to show intolerant fucks like you any tolerance 🖕
Your rage is palpable. Seek help.
I'm intolerant because I was born with a penis and white skin? You must be a very ignorant, simple minded person.
Look at you playing the race card 🙄. Sad.
no I think it's based on Trump loving. But that might be a religion too by now come to think of it.
What do you think of the 75% of black fathers who abandon their HO and her children. Most of them vote democrat. The lives of their children are merciless. Is that abuse?
Least racist Steven Coward poster
Facts are alien to you I see. How does someone so stupid, ignorant and hateful even survive as an organism?
I suppose if the dad came back and started beating on the wife/girlfriend and kids it would be abuse.
What does race have to do with it? I grew up in a mostly white community and heard a lot about my friends dad's abuses. And thankfully the mother was able to get out of the relationship.
As a married man of 40 years - this is complete & total bullshit on his part. Forget that she's pregnant - she can't take the car because he 'might' need to go to the gym or something else & tells her to take an Uber? Are you f*cking kidding me? Among other things - this is textbook narcissism in it's purist form.
And just to clarify - I'm a conservative who agrees for the most part with his political takes. Unlike most libs/communists - I don't accept craptastic behavior based on where someone is on the political spectrum.
Between this & the crap he pulled with The Daily Wire - textbook douchery. Good luck with that Crowder.
I do not consider myself an alarmist or someone who will sensationalize anything for effect but I can say definitively as someone who has witnessed domestic abuse this is in fact the most supreme example of a psychological abusive man I have ever seen. It is so dangerous for Hillary Crowder to be anywhere near this man and frankly, I hope her family is keeping her under close watch because when an abuser like this is exposed he will become violently enraged. Someone who is a clinical abuser diagnosed or not cannot gauge their emotions and loss of control. I applaud your writing and sincerely wish for Hillary a clean break from this emotionally unstable man.
The sad thing is, with children involved, she won't be free of him until they are adults. Abusive men like this lie to the courts. He's already publicly lying and calling her a gold digger, when she married him before he had such money.
That’s precious. If this is the worst mental abuse you’ve seen that is one charmed life.
Not by far but to gauge abuse against what’s the worst as if one has to experience the worst form of abuse for any abuse to be legitimate is absurd.
don't confuse them with facts! It makes their brains hurt!
no I got that kind of abuse at school in high school and junior high and elementary school. This is why I wasn't going to marry a man who behaves like a child.
It's always alarming to me when I see men who have not mentally graduated high school yet no matter how old they are.
Exactly what I thought and I'm a woman who comes from a previous abusive marriage. I don't believe for 1 second that she's been an angel in any of this. People do shitty things and life goes on. All you women out there....put your big girl panties on shut up!
wow, so your abuser was not at fault? You asked for it is that what it was? because that's what you sound like.
ROFL
Wow. Talk about an abusive manipulator. Hopefully, the wife takes her newborns and doesn't look back.
Jesus what a total loser this guy is. Relationships have fights, sometimes unconstructive ones -- but this is not that; this is a pathetic little boy lashing into *the mother of his children*.
"WATCH IT!" he warns, like she's a child or a fucking dog that's about to get smacked... Anyone defending this is an emotionally stunted freak that has no clue how to relate to other human beings; here's to hoping you die alone before any decent person has to deal with your bullshit
The way this guy treated his then-wife in that video is self-evident. He is a complete asshole, a man-boy, who has no comprehension of how to treat another person with respect. What a total loser. The fact that so many (most likely incel) guys are on here defending him and cannot see what a prick he is, really reveals how ignorant some people are. Grow up, guys. Signed - a happily married man.
Cuck much?!?
You are clearly self-fellating, my fat widdle incel boy. If any man spoke to my wife like that, his teeth would meet the heel of my boot.
Thanks for the compliment! I can indeed self-fellate!
Kind regards,
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no but we all understand that you do
My sister rigged up recording devices and baited her then-husband into arguments to help herself in their (upcoming unbeknownst to him) divorce proceedings.
Unique situation??
My husband couldn't treat me this way, baited or not, and also remain married to me. Nor would he want to. We love each other and want each other to feel happy, secure, and supported. We aren't mean. What would be the purpose of telling me he doesn't love me, or doesn't think I'm worthy? Of course we have disagreements. We never intentionally make one another feel unloved or unworthy.
We're not special. People in good relationships don't allow or accept this kind of treatment.
The people here arguing it's fine, or they can't detect the abuse, or the woman is obviously performing, baiting, or whatever -- they could really benefit from listening to the people telling them this is very obviously a bad relationship, if they chose to. There's no 3-minute point in a good relationship where this conduct is okay, regardless of what occurred before or after.
If you think the video is normal behavior, you're either an abuser or a victim of abuse. You don't have to live this way, and neither should any partner.
why did she want to divorce him?
nope, pretty much standard practice in the current year. having an unhappy wife is like having a stasi agent living in your home.
well it could be that you're just a jackwad who doesn't care about his wife much like Crowder and so she wants to leave.
Your dad DID murder his wife! But based on your psychopathic tendencies - it's easy to understand why.
I know you really need some dick, Chandra - but you're just not gonna get it from me. Keep trying, though! You'll get there in the end. (prolly not)
oh you don't have one? What a terrible thing to have to live with.
Keep talking dirty to me, baby! You're making me hawt!
Oh yeah, sweetheart; I'm getting close! Can I finish in your mouth?
Can I get you a towel to wipe off your face, baby?
typical dumb woman. notice how arguably the most "abusive" thing he said wasn't caught on any recording. weird. woman lie.
no it was Steven that admitted that he said that but nice try
There have been numerous rumors throughout the years that Crowder's marriage was a tenuous relationship at best, with the central argument between Steven and Hilary being Steven's closeted homosexuality. On one stream, Crowder even let it slip that he had dabbled in bisexuality during his college years. In the archived video on YouTube, this comment was poorly edited out with a jarring jump cut.
well that would explain why he has exposed himself to his male coworkers and sexually harassed some of them
Big deal. Two people having an argument about THEIR relationship, who are both stressed out and immature. He gets judged from this video by the majority people, but what has she done to him that we cannot see? This is a big non story.
He's been publicly trashing her in the media for months, but as soon as she responds to highlight the abuse that she received on a regular basis, you decide that's a line too far? Curious.
There's nothing my husband could do that would cause me to treat him like this. If I didn't love him or didn't think he was "worthy," I'd do the mature thing and end the relationship, not stick around in a dead-end situation and verbally abuse him.
Lots of comments here suggesting this is a normal way to live. Holy shit people.
what else has he done to her that we cannot see? She's the one that wants to leave and go off and be on her own with twins. The fact that he was so self righteous about them both being virgins when they were married was a huge red flag to me years and years ago. Relationship with him is proving to be all about jumping through performance hoops for his benefit.
I haven't seen a Yashar email in my inbox for almost 3 years, and I got this. Why? Why the fuck should I care about this? I feel like I should shower after watching that video.
well thanks for sharing you can leave now
Hey, look, more verbal abuse!
I see now the mental illness began at a young age:
But Chandra Hardy acknowledges that she had an “incredibly complicated” relationship with her mother, and she notes she was in foster care two times as a teenager, which was a rough experience.
“She and I had a very volatile relationship,” she said.
Being estranged for the past five years, Chandra Hardy said her mother was also secretive,
I really don't understand why you are bothering to look up her posted history, clearly she's not ashamed of it if she's been posting about it. It also doesn't make Crowder's behavior better.
My goodness. You're quite the psychopath.
What is a woman?
Tasteless to show personal conversations to try to cancel Crowder. Watchers of this dated video have no information regarding what they were going through regarding their marriage at this point. It doesn't condone his actions, but when folks are hurting (especially in relationships) they act inappropriately and often regret their actions. However, your intent is to based the individuals entire character on this single, personal, interaction....Hope cameras are not on you at any point, because eventually your 'truth' will be shared.
she was eight months pregnant, that's what they were going through, and you are making up roses and butterflies for the rest of the relationship as if this is just an anomaly. He looks pretty dang comfortable in that anomaly lounging on the couch there.
My guess is the rest of the relationship was much worse.
I've been a divorce attorney for over 20 years. Crowder sounds just like about 90 percent of my clients, or the other side. There's always a lot of that going on in a divorce. Does not make Crowder look good, but I don't think it detracts from his message. Typical hit piece.
that's very diplomatic of you. At least you admitted it doesn't look good. Good grief. So if she wants to leave is he allowed to bar the door? If he controls her access to leave the house is that abusive? Because that's what's going on here.
So you are admitting that Steven sounds like a lot of your divorce clients. OK. So maybe he should let her file for divorce and not threaten her for it. Pretty sure all of your clients should not be threatening their significant others either. What exactly is your problem with the video? You can be a conservative without supporting abusers.
I’m a super right wing woman and seeing the comments of supposedly “right wing men” in here defending Crowder is appalling.
Sure, there are two sides to every story and this video is only 3 minutes, 3 minutes of probably scores of berating his wife that we got to see.
There are arguments between couples and there is abuse, this is abuse. His wife is 8 months pregnant with twins and he:
1. Is smoking around her
2. Tells her to go grocery shopping without even offering to help her in her physical state or drive her
3. Tells her take an Uber (because having your pregnant wife get into a car with a stranger while you’re sitting at home is so conservative)
4. Commands that she administer medication when she’s worried it will harm HIS children instead of doing it himself
5. Demands she walks the dogs instead of doing it himself
He is another entitled, selfish man-child. He’s not a man and any of you that believes this is normal, you’re messed up.
Being a submissive wife does not mean being a doormat.
Someone worth $20 million doesn’t have a second car? This is control. If he’s out and there an emergency, she’s expected to take an Uber? When the twins are born, same thing?
I’ve never like Crowder. He’s a closet gay and a fake conservative
Hit the nail on the head!
He’s a prick but idk I’d have to see more to call it abuse. He’s mad and being obnoxious and saying stupid CRAP. But, I’ll need to see more proof of abuse. Sorry. I’m a woman and that’s just how I feel.
he seems very used to it and she kind of does too. What is he mad about? She answered those objections and needed to go to the store. he was trying to control her actions and demand that she knew something that she felt was dangerous to the babies and Steven felt attacked because she quietly refused to obey his orders. He would be much happier with just the dogs.
There is ALWAYS a rush to judgment before the facts come out or both sides are heard. This article is highly slanted and the video needs more context.
In this category I present Exhibit A: Amber Hurd and Johnny Depp
The guy lost 4-5 years of his earnings plus his reputation b/c everybody said "believe all women". Unfortunately it turned out you cannot simply just believe people and the facts need to be presented and adjudicated. Once that was done; it became known who exactly was the abuser and who was the abused/real victim.
it's not a rush to judgment, we all know he's been a hard hearted Pharisee for at least 10 years. I used to like him when he first came on the scene.
So the video is a year and a half old and Crowder mentioned being extorted. What's the source of the video, Ali?
It's rude to demand explanations when they're in the article you failed to read.
It's rude to call someone rude when you can't recognize rhetorical questions.
did you reach Charlotte's comment? Did you understand it? Apparently not.
I have to say that, in my opinion, this guy is a pile of crap. He is being awfully nasty to this woman for no reason. He also seems very comfortable acting this way. If you are going to split, just do it without all of the abuse. You are hurting her and yourself.
All you people should slow way down. One video doesn't provide clear context. When the word of God says we are all sinners in need of salvation what does that mean to you?
I went through a divorce where my ex was a victim narcist. Should would manipulate, then play the victim. At the time I didn't know how to deal with it and after ten years of it, I responded in anger. The whole situation brought me to faith in Jesus Christ. My wife divorced me and took my children and I never heard my daughter's voice in 12 years. They live 20 minutes from me and I haven't seen my son since he was 3, he is now 15. There is much more to the story than 1 video. He claims to be a Christian and so did I, but I wasn't and at the time didn't know what it really meant to be a Christian. Being a Christian starts with faith in Jesus Christ and it continues with you daily death to yourself. Jesus said, "Deny yourself daily and take up your cross and follow me." That only comes through a real relationship with the Son of God. My wife hates me today and I could not love her more. That is the Life of Jesus Christ within me. That is the reason he came and died a sinner death on the cross and rose up again on the third day. So that he could life to whomever would come to him.
This whole incident shows they both need Jesus Christ and the life he offers.
Steven himself admitted that he screamed "I WILL FUCK YOU UP!" at her.
Your experience isn't his. He's an abuser, and people like you are always willing to look the other way because you don't want to admit someone you like is abusive.
"Steven himself admitted"
Link?
No other context is needed. People don't treat the people they love and cherish like this, even when they're pissed off.
Nothing in the video suggests it's a one-off. She doesn't say, "What's going on? Why are you acting like this?" or anything else that would show his behavior is unusual. This is how he is. Good for her for getting out. Of course, now he claims publically he didn't want a divorce -- after getting a divorce attorney before she knew anything about it. Hypocite.
you're right one video doesn't provide context but what it does provide is a palling and you guys are saying it's not. In fact it's more likely that this is just the tip of the iceberg than that this is an anomaly. Especially because both of them knew the ring camera was there. You would think he has toned it down because of the chance that it would be recorded.
Crowder never claimed entrapment.
Exactly right, and the telltale sign of Hilary manipulating Steven in that very moment, with the intent of spinning him up, which EVERYONE missed because she is so damn good at it, is when she says "I love you" in a clinical tone several times when it was very clear that they weren't even acting as friends at that time and probably hadn't in a while. So she comes across looking like a loving wife and reasonable when the opposite was true. That Steven says "I don't love you" in that moment as a response is actually a level headed truthful statement. I remember when my ex was in the process of filing for divorce and blowing up my life for no reason other than she was a narcissistic, selfish, and jealous biatch (I have a daughter who she HATED) said to me in a text, "I will always love you" to which I replied, "Love? We aren't even friends! Never say that to me again, it is manipulative and I don't even believe it" No surprise that she never said it again and then tried to give me the full monty in the divorce by destroying my life. It didn't work, and I escaped a Succubus but she never tried to manipulate my emotions again, and THAT is what Hilary conveniently had recorded. Who says "I love you!" when they are in a huge argument with someone? Liars and manipulators, that's who!!
you would rather she get into a knockdown drag out fight with him that would make it better? I'm amazed that you are worrying about her having a clinical flat tone but you're not worried about Stevens tone.
this flat tone, called gray rock, is how you deal with narcissists, attempting to de-escalate, and she might actually love him still but she hurts too much due to his abuse to make it sound convincing. You're blaming her for wanting to leave. And Stephen's behavior only confirms that her wanting to leave is a rational response.
You are a better man than many.
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I don't see any abuse whatsoever in this video.
Abusers typically don't.
If you don't see a man telling his wife he doesn't love her (she clearly tells him she loves him to calm him down), that she is not worthy of respect (she needs to respect him, not the other way around), that she is not allowed to take the car because he 'might' want to use it later, being told to 'watch it' multiple times... well, I feel badly for your wife and kids, if you have them.
Telling on yourself
God,seriously is a Steven Crowder Butt Huffer!
This all happens in front of the camera that she knew she was going use as evidence to go public with. She's very careful what she says in front of the camera to maintain the appearance of taking the highroad. She also makes it a point to claim that his 'abuse is sick', which is a bit too convenient . So with her planning to stage a scene like this, is this really the worst that she could come up with?! To all the people who are coming away from this 3 minute clip with strong opinions one way or the other, you likely already had those opinions, or want to have those opinions for personal reasons. This video lacks potentially important context. Just like the Catholic Covington student Nick Sandmann at the DC march for life, everyone is jumping to conclusions without all the facts. I am not a fan of this guy at all, but if I was, this hit piece, by a seemingly jilted ex, wouldn't change that.
OK let's just pretend all of that is true. Does that excuse his fighting over the car, berating her, telling her he doesn't love her, demanding that she take two large dogs for a walk when she is eight months pregnant with twins, etc?
It is quite possible that she used to fight like that and learned better techniques and Stephen doesn't like it because he didn't want to change the sick dynamic.
what I don't understand is why all of you Steven apologize or seem to think that more context is going to make her look worse and not him. Because all of the crap that he has put out about this makes him look bad.
Wow. I’m pregnant and so thankful for my husband… he comes home from work and asks what he can help me with. He will gladly do extra housework or errands so I can rest and be relaxed during pregnancy and postpartum. Glad I married a real man!
In this comment thread: TONS of little baby boys defending an anti-human abuser.
You're no conservatives.
You're a shame upon us ACTUAL conservatives.
True conservatives and true Christians don't vote for weaklings WHO CHEATED ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR WIVES like the twice-impeached weakling did.
Why does his wife not have a car?
also why is he telling his 8th month pregnant wife to get an Uber?
Is it just normal for Conservatives to be garbage?
The fact that the wife doesn't have a car is the biggest fucking redflag in this video
Its one thing if he was poor... but he's not
This guy is a controlling dipshit
I think the majority of conservatives who are garbage are ones that suddenly came out of the woodwork (having been completely ignorant of politics prior) when an abusive man gained control of the GOP.
I've been a conservative since I was in high school so about 40 years. So has my husband, and we liked Limbaugh, and people like Crowder for a short time. Glad that part of my life is over lol I'm still conservative but I now reject that vitriol people like Crowder put out.
Steven, like others before him, was able to wear a very convincing mask to hide his true self for quite some time.
However, like others before him, that mask finally slipped and we were all able to see him for what he truly is - a sociopath, abusive & insecure little boy.
Go away Steven.
There is NO amount of explaining to justify that disgusting behavior.
My heart goes out to Hilary and the twins.
well he's been a pretty self-righteous prick from the beginning.
That man is trash. Throw the whole man away. I hope she gets sole custody and a restraining order.
Do they own a one seat car? How about both go to the store, or have the groceries delivered…. I have been married nearly 35 years and I have never spoken to my wife like that and she has never spoken to me like that. They need therapy
I used to like crowder but no more. Steven, grow up.
Nothing worse than a lazy wife.
eight months pregnant she's climbing a mountain every day. You're an ignorant SOB who never fathered a child or never stuck around for the woman he got pregnant. And that's my best construction on the reasons for your ignorance.
there is one thing that's worse than a lazy wife, an abusive husband.
Husbands should not remain married to wives they detest. They should not demean them. Is this complicated?
I've stopped paying him any attention years ago because I could not longer see in him the funny and joyous fellow I once liked. I would've never imagined him to be such a nasty individual - and to whom? To a pregnant woman, his own wife. No context can't save this. Steven Crowder, you're lost.
Steven Crowder is NOT lost. He can reinvent himself as a Democrat supporting chemical castration of 5yr olds and he will be welcomed with opened arms. Probably get a better deal than TDW was offering.
spoken like someone who really doesn't understand marriage
Wow. I listen to him on and off, listened to his explanation the other day, TOTALLY different. Glad i saw this because i wont listen anymore. Anyone who has been around any kind of Abuse knows exactly what is going on here. Wow is all i can say .
Wow. This is pretty terrible.
I don't think it has anything to do with race, my husband thinks it's appalling as well, as does my adult son and my son-in-law and my two adult daughters. And we all pasty white 😂
Well that's a bummer. I do not support spousal abuse of any kind. If I did, my wife would kill me.😂
I liked Crowder, but now ... I don't think I can any more.
Imagine if this scenario unfolding had he joined the DW; they were fortunate. Praying for his wife and family. What a scumbag
our family are pasty white and neither my husband or his brothers or his dad or any of the siblings' children, or our adult son norour son-in-law nor our daughters think this is OK.
Not sure what race has to do with it just sayin.
The big question here is....Why in the hell do they only have 1 car?
control
Hey Yashar please show us a 3 min fight out of context with you and your significant other. We would love to see how perfect you are since you feel it necessary to put someone else’s life on blast.
probably doesn't have one. To be honest I would imagine the context around this three minute video of the Crowders probably makes it worse.
There's an edit right around 2:30 that's very suspicious. Also it sounds like she's a total flake. Sure, she professes her love for him, but apparently doesn't express it by actually DOING anything, and wants to take their only car with no commitment for when she'll be back, when he's trying to run a business with a TIGHT schedule?!?!
There's a saying: "love is a VERB!"
He called her out on it. No matter how thin you make a pancake, there's always (at least) TWO SIDES!
Unfortunately there's not a lot of context to this, but it strikes me as representative of the frustrations of a long-term relationship with poor communication. Everyone on this thread seems to want to blame him, and perhaps they are right, but a snippet without broader context really doesn't offer enough to allow us to pass judgment.
Poor communication?
Steven communicates for a living. The one who is doing good communication here is Hillary.
My guess is that if she ever did participate in arguments the way steven demonstrates, she learned through therapy that was not helpful and she's trying to use that what she has learned.
And when you are in a toxic relationship and you try to get better, quite frequently the other side gets worse, trying to drag you back into the dynamic they find familiar, where you can be controlled.
Where does he adit to saying "I will F*** you up... all i see is a claim made on the video with no evidence... and everything else is Not abuse... if you think anything else beside, from what i see so far is a baseless claim, as abuse your an idiot who has never been abused or seen real abuse... we don't even know what he meant by gloves he brings up walking the dogs and putting on gloves... have you even heard of keeping your hands clean
Watch the time stamp. There are chunks of video missing from this timeline. This video was cut to only show one side of the conversation. By no means am I condoning abusive relationships but look at things from multiple angles before making a decision.
that's how ring cameras work
This is how Crowder normally talks and argues issues everyday. Nothing to see here....change my mind.
why yes, and strangely enough the way he talks issues every day it's not good for creating trusting relationships.
This does need more context, mainly because the writer called the surgery elective when it almost killed Stephen (could be up for a debate but I wouldn't have called his surgery as unnecessary for all with the inverted rib cage) that does lead me to question the claim that "he later admitted".
Having came from an abusive upbringing knowing it was wrong and also recently getting out of an abusive relationship because I wouldn't let her be abusive to my children, more context would be needed, there really is always two sides to a story but there also is always the truth
he was holding his twins not long after birth and there was no scar on his chest so I don't know what's going on with that.
Yes the context could very well make this seem like just the tip of the iceberg as well.
No one had the right to comment here. Arguments and manipulation can happen on both sides. This is a private discussion that was leaked for publicity. I've been through a divorce myself. There is fault on both sides. They need counciling and a good Christian mentor. However, Crowder needs to cut out the cockiness out and treat his lady with more respect. Not how his Dad probably treated his Mom.
so why are you commenting
This is nothing. You can't add in the most offensive thing said in text and claim it was said but not have the audio or video. This was nothing but a verbal dispute. Classic bs media.
thanks for explaining what kind of abuse you plan to shower on your significant other
One thing Trump gets very right—always sign a prenup before marriage! Do not allow morons in a state legislature define the terms of your very likely divorce. And don’t pay attorneys just to make your future ex angry.
State family court laws are so twisted.
and every criminal who is in prison is innocent yup
Yep, obviously with kids they will get involved without a couple being married…so why sign a contract that might lead to more lawyers getting involved in your life?? Marriage made sense when men had much more power than women but that is no longer the case. Instead of planning a wedding take that time and draft a contract on who takes care of babies and put a number on how much that is worth! If the partner would rather have a wedding then everything that happens after that is on them!
you do realize that you are arguing against Crowders own beliefs about marriage while attempting to defend him? That's pretty funny.
I support same sex marriage but I think hetero marriage is super dumb. Also when I say “gay marriage” I actually mean hetero marriage because it is super gay.
100%. Will not make that mistake again. Being through the family court system is hell! Just eats up time, money, and sanity!
lol and every woman rejoiced
explain to me why divorce is "very likely"
I mean, in the case of trump that's very self-explanatory.
Anyone who has ever gone through a break up or divorce knows there were arguments. Taking a three minute clip or even just one video of an argument knows that can be biased. I don’t believe that she is innocent in all of this. Both people share in their responsibility in this breakup. Only one shared a video clip.
Any honorable man knows you don’t speak to your wife this way.
100%
and odds are that the context of the greater relationship would probably make this clip look even worse. Why do you think that having more context is going to make Crowder look better? And how will you know that you've gotten enough?
Personally , I would never subscribe to your Substack because of the fact you posted this at all!
Lmao!
Oh dear god; I would hate to see the crazy running around on that substack.
OK thanks for sharing
I've heard about guys like this, you see em on a movie and wonder. This is pretty much what I'd expected but to a pregnant woman, wow! The guys that can't see it, thats pathetic. I've spent my adult life trying to understand women because we are so different. My wife has been an excellent explainer. If I'd ever talked to her like this, she'd have bumped into me with her suitcase heading out. No woman should tolerate that.
He has a wife?? I didn't know much about Crowder, but I always assumed he was gay.
Maybe. He sure doesn't like women.
Nice hit piece. Can we get an un-edited video while we're at it, since you seemingly have this footage and direct contact with "the family" and numerous other sources close to the situation? You can clearly see parts of this conversation edited out as Hilary starts to speak. What is the reason for this? Just curious. Be nice to have the full clips and context instead of selectivity edited ones for use in what otherwise clearly seems to selectivity edit and use in a way that comes out as a very conveniently timed attempt at slander.
why do you think that more context will help him look better?
Nothing about this is abuse.
It’s an argument between two adults.
He was a bit of a jerk, but oh well.
Divorce is always an option.
I would simply not be with someone like her, which is also an option (that I am happily exercising).
I would apologize if this were me, because he could be nicer, but if you think this is abuse then you are what is wrong with this world and I hope you self segregate from us who do not. I will absolutely do my best, and have been, to not know anyone or have anyone in my life who would label this as abuse.
It is going very, very well so far, and I think segregation is the answer. I honestly never dreamed my life could be so good. The answer is to not be around or near people you dislike or fundamentally disagree with.
If you think this is abuse, you’re in both categories.
Yeah but you also dragged your wife down a flight of stairs and didn’t think that was abuse so maybe you’re not the best person to be judge and jury of what constitutes abuse
What abuse happened here?
What abuse happened here?
Steven was abused when Hilary didn't get on her knees and give him a blowie while he smoked his cigar.
well, that seems to be actually more accurate than any of your other answers.
The comments are a much better read than the article. Better than than the video, too. EVERYTHING is in these comments.
Yup. I just love how everyone instantly becomes a board-certified clinical phycologist after watching a 3 minute clip of the middle-portion of a marriage argument.
A husband can't discipline and correct his wife anymore? I don't see anything wrong here. He is doing his duty.
No one said he can't do it. What she said was he can't do that to her and expect to remain married, which is what any reasonable partner would have said.
I hope your marital philosophy is shared openly so you don't trick an unsuspecting woman into marrying you.
so, what if he is doing something wrong? Is she allowed to complain or confront him or discipline him? Just wondering
This isn't abuse this is just a political hit job against Steven because he's going against the regime's agenda
You're right, Biden set up this recording to make Crowder look like the victim.
hahhahahahaha, Biden in your eyes is the only person on the left, the only person a part of the establishment, only member of the democrat party, ahahahaha only member of the NWO in America, ahahahahahaahaha, you are so childlike.....how old are you? 13
it's an army of demons......Satan's legions....you're a part , and you don't even realize it I bet.
I hate to tell you this but I didn't vote for either of the two main parties.
I guessed you were defective...you didn't disappoint
Biden?
hahahahaahaha
he has to have cue card telling who to call, what the question will be and his answer.
hahahahahahahahaah
he is a cadaver!!!
you're not a serious intellect
is English your first language?
is logic ever used in your day to day life?
your idiotic moronic false equivalency straw man argument proves nothing except that you are an intellectually helpless shitstain NPC , LMAO
You must be so pathetic in real life, hahahaha, cybernerd
is that you Steven?
is that you Forrest?
This piece is clearly slanted. Who’s to say she wasn’t an extremely lazy, entitled or unstable woman? Crowder sounds like a bully and a brat in the video but who knows the extent of the wife’s participation in the toxic dynamic?
Stop right there; we can't have that kind of Socratic reasonableness!
'Round here - we jump right to conclusions!
The correct way to handle a disappointing partner is to end the relationship, not behave abusively.
she was lazy because she was going to the grocery store while eight months pregnant with twins?
tell me you've never helped a woman through her high risk pregnancy without saying you've never helped a woman through her high risk pregnancy.
Ok I watched the video a couple of times and I bet there is way more to this story than these 2-3 minutes. He mentioned in the beginning a couple of times his own boundaries. That signals to me that they've been in counselling and he's brought up issues of hers that bother him. He then says later he's never "received love from her". That's a little bit of a red flag too.
Lastly, he says "watch it" when she pulls out the "abuse" word, which triggered him. It almost sounds like she's brought that word out in many instances and he resents her using that word so frivolously. Of course that's speculation, but, as someone who has faced false allegations from a scorned ex-wife, so much of this is recognizable.
Do you notice the "never received love from you" statement was in 1st Person? Narcissists see EVERYTHING in 1st Person. Who says that? Perhaps "You never give me love" or "You don't love me." But, "I never received" is the words of someone implying entitlement.
You're stretching it on your interpretation of "boundaries." I think it's to demean her as if she's a child or she's a pet.
I see nothing wrong w/ saying "I've never received love from you".
you are correct, Steven probably didn't receive/accept her love because she hadn't perfectly done her "wifely duties."
Exactly. I clearly see false allegations and conscious use of the camera to try to portray herself as the loving wife and the exaggerated attempt to claim by statement alone he is abusive while she is really just the planning to be scorned ex-wife. Been through a divorce before myself and from experience I could see exactly what was going on there.
Let me tell you; my ex-wife claimed abuse by me. One of the examples she used was when she printed something and I walked into the office, grabbed the 2-3 docs and threw them on our bed where she was sitting w/ her ipad and walked away b/c we had an argument. So, her pleading wrote "abusive by throwing multiple objects at me" and my attorney had to keep from laughing when this came out in court.
Context is EVERYTHING.
My ex wife called the cops on me because she found me looking through some of her papers for a valentines card from another guy and claimed I ripped a purse out of her arms and injured her when I absolutely did not. Completely viscous lie to get me arrested. Thankfully she messed up and told the cops I pulled from her right arm while she presented later it was her left arm that was hurt. Don't trust any of this nonsense when it comes out right around the time someone is trying to divorce. Scored females can be lying evil manipulative nightmares.
Based on the comments you've posted so far, including the ones where you're harassing a the daughter of a woman who was murdered, don't make your story that you are a victim very believable. Rather, it sounds like you have quite some experience gaslighting folks. Kudos to your ex for getting out safely.
I was the one that had to escape the marriage and her. The ex did not want the divorce and because I did not want to stay she became scorned and evil. I was saved by the court finally forcing my ex to have to move out of the house through court order until the divorce was finalized.
that's OK, I have seen abusers who file for divorce first as well.
probably for the best that you are no longer together with anyone
100%. My ex-wife claimed I physically abused the kids. Her ONLY example UNDER OATH was when my youngest son and I were tossing around a nerf football inside and I tossed it too hard and he was running that he tripped and banged his face on our kitchen floor and cut his lip. My parent witnessed the entire thing. He has a tiny cut on his lip and 15 mins later was running around playing. I kid you not; this was the "physical abuse". Under these circumstances, what 95% of parents would be abusers? I bet you that's why he got triggered when she brought out the word "abuse", b/c these women have no concept of the real form of the word.
Nope; and it's even funnier. Part of discovery, she submitted a bunch of texts about the incident that she sent at the time to her best friend. Well her and her attorney either didn't read them close enough or forgot the CONTEXT b/c her text CONTRADICTED what i said/did during the incident! Haha, it was so embarrassing.
well that's nice, I have seen women do the same kinds of things to their ex-husband's. I've also seen it go the other way. You seem to be unwilling to even consider that in this case the wife may not be like yours.
you are an actual psycho. seek help
Consider deleting this comment, please
so because you were suspicious your wife was seeing another guy, you went through her purse. Sounds like something every healthy couple would do 🙄
oh yes context is everything, we are commenting on what is publicly known and publicly released, and if there is every reason to suspect that more context will just make Steven look worse. But of course you've already made up your mind that the three minute video does not show abuse. So more information isn't going to change your mind.
Nope. I have the transcripts from court, that literally happened. I also have the text exchange from her to me at the time it happened.
it's highly likely that he is telling the truth about his own experience. But he doesn't seem to be able to conceive of a scenario where it might go the other way.
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it's obvious they went to counseling and that explains some of the odd verbiage they use in the clip. it's also obvious that this clip is out of context by design.
that's how ring cameras work. I'm not sure why context is automatically going to make Steven look better
Actually, I filed for divorce and not for the first time from her. She had anger issues similar to yours. She's already been caught lying about the abuse under oath and I will seek compensatory damages, although nothing can bring back the time and emotional distress her lies caused me and my kids.
so if you abused her in reaction to her shortcomings that caused you to want to divorce her, it would be OK
And the worst of it, of course not shown. We're just supposed to blindly believe it. The narrative is for those who already have made up their mind, period. It's gross and not at all honest...
So in your mind, there's something that justifies this behavior towards his pregnant wife?
Pray tell, what is it?
because she didn't do her "wifely duties" 🙄
The worst of it? Us sane people are here thinking how much worse can it be? then we find out that he admits that he threatened that he was going to F her up.
And because you already decided that what you saw was not abuse I don't think a recording of that would make any difference.
What a Set-Up! Pick a fight on a hidden camera and then claim abuse. ..
How did she pick a fight?
It was obvious she was pushing his buttons being disingenuous for the camera
Wanting to drive her car is pushing his buttons?
Is there any abuse that you won't try to hand-wave away?
You mean their car. You saying "her" car says it all.
OK, "their" car.
The question remains, how is that pushing his buttons?
what did she say that was deliberate baiting?
Love and forgiveness. Give them a try.
forgiveness isn't about overlooking abuse but maybe that's what they teach you at your cult.
If he never put his hands on her I couldn't give a shit less.
They've redefined "abused" down to "participated in a verbal argument".
According to you, screaming "I'm going to fuck you up" at someone isn't abuse?
Very strange, because in most states it's not only abuse, it's a crime.
What happened in this video would be classified as abuse in any court of the land.
right because all men start out by putting their hands on them violently they don't start out by threatening. 🙄
What I don't like about this article is continually referencing him not being there for the birth, but, the text messages show that the wife was saying she was "scared of him", "I'm afraid of you" and that he "scares her", etc....
As someone who has faced proven false allegations of abuse in a divorce situation, I can see why he would not want to be in her presence after receiving those types of texts. It's a perfect situation to be set-up and have the cops called on you and be demonized in family court. This type of thing is not that rare these days.
If this is your take, then I strongly doubt the abuse allegations against you are false. Be a real man and take responsibility for your actions and behavior
No, it's easy to lie in family court. You can get caught and nothing will happen. You have to get caught so bad and the other party needs to prove intent. That is what is on my plate now in seeking compensatory damages against the lying ex-spouse.
Watch. The. Video. She's literally begging and pleading with him. Regardless of what happened before and after, she gave him no reason in this exchange to escalate like he did, nor deny her access to the (surprisingly ONLY) vehicle. Why couldn't he just take her or something? This is not a two way thing.
What is wrong with you? Why would you write about this? You media types aren't that special. Nobody cares.
really sounds like you're trying to cover up someone's abuse because you're a fan of his
Not at all. I'm not speaking on the behavior at all. I'm talking about the fixation on private interactions in a marriage and the gross, petty reasons for writing an article about it.
Crowder brought it on himself by publicly discussing his divorce. He was happy to basically blame the divorce on his wife and criticize the 'government' that let her leave. If he had kept quiet, who would have known?
Considering Crowder is the one that made this all public, you sure seem to only want to protect the abuser here.
Did he make the video public? Did he write this garbage article? I leave no quarter for abusers. A family is destroyed. It's a tragedy. I am strictly talking about the motive and reasoning for this article.
The video was made public by his wife after he went on public rants about the divorce. According to you, Steven should be able to speak on his divorce, but his wife can't speak about the abuse she recieved?
Thanks for confirming you just want to protect the abuser.
Busted.
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some cropped video she specifically acted for, and pulled the data from before it was overwritten. imagine falling for this garbage. everything women do is fake.
Did you not read the article or do you think that someone yelling "I WILL FUCK YOU UP!" is not abusive?
Because in most states, not only is abuse, it's an actual crime.
i don’t read propaganda. i did watch the footage though, and what i saw was cropped footage of a woman playing pretend in front of the camera that she knew about and was actively planning on ripping the recording from
i especially like how she prominently displays her pregnancy for the camera. very good acting, she may have a career in hollywood after this
Did the big words scare you away?
You don't get to pretend that "there might be more to the story" if you're not actually willing to read the context. You are not a serious person.
there is no context other than the video. that is the entirety of the context
Anyone can read a biased article. Where is LINK to Steven admitting saying that?
that's how ring cameras work
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good. it should be dangerous - destroying a mans life and reputation because you want half of his belongings after being a terrible woman shouldn’t be a safe nor easy task… anyway, your probably fake sob story is irrelevant. his wife was clearly putting on a show for the camera. she specifically went and pulled that data off the camera afterwards, obviously, since ring camera recordings are constantly overwritten. on top of that, it’s cropped footage. this is completely fake nonsense. just like you
He destroyed it himself. Nobody made him threaten her.
i’d never defend someone who murdered his own children
women aren’t people, however, so if he were to murder his own wife i would probably just see it as a waste of a product since women are inherently more valuable alive than dead. a living woman has warmth and holes that automatically lubricate, after all
Shouldn't Steven's subscribers - the people who pay his bills - know that this "pro-family values conservative" treats his family this way behind closed doors?
Crowder made public statements that contradict the record. This video establishes that when he whines about not wanting the marriage to end because he loves her, he's lying. Articles like this are written to correct false statements.
he made his side of the story public and threw his wife under the bus first.
Totally agree. I don’t want to read about someone’s horrific private life.
It's not private when Crowder made it public months ago.
You were sure forced to read it, huh.
Yashar even made her comment!
Were you forced to?
If I don't like the topic, I move on. You should try it, instead of reading all the way down the comments and replying.
then they will whine when nobody believes them making claims of abuse
steven?
steven?
and yet here you are
This said “by his own admission” he said “I will fuck you up.” Where are those receipts? Where did he admit that? Also the surgery he has wasn’t elective- he has steel plates sewn on his rib cage bc his ribs were caving it on his heart and the surgery almost killed him.
This said “by his own admission”
Link?
This is Bullshit. Every couple has arguments. This is a attack on him because they are scared of what he talks about on his show. Who hacked his home camera? That is the crime and this person who released this video should be charged with voyeurism.
There are always two sides to a story and we are definitely only getting half in this particular instance because the beginning of this argument is cut out. That is telling in and of itself.
As to whether this is abusive or not, well he was seated in a chair, non-threatening, and having an argument with her. We don't know how the argument started or what the broader context of the situation was, so we are limited in our ability to judge both parties. The dog seems unperturbed though, which suggests there isn't a great deal of hostility in this interaction.
I will say this. When people start using and repeating the other person's name, they are generally being verbally aggressive. It is meant to convey frustration and to antagonize the other person. We've all been there. It is a form of button pushing that they both seem to be engaged in.
He's definitely patronizing and lecturing, but again we don't know how this started. I get the sense that she has said there are limits on what he is allowed to do and he's feeling, as he puts it, "boxed in." It's a form of "walking out," that leaves a person feeling trapped. It may also be that she told him she would accomplish certain tasks and then did not. It may be that he is simply unreasonable. Again, there no context.
Her body language is definitely more aggressive than his in the beginning of this. Her had gestures are also patronizing/lecturing in nature. At various points she also calls him abusive, which is a form of name-calling as well as a form of character assassination.
At the end he seems to be finally stating the nature of his distress, which is that she says the words I love you, but her behavior doesn't come across as loving to him. His frustration is with being told he's loved, but not actually experiencing love. She makes no attempt to acknowledge his feelings or explore them in any greater depth.
At that point, his demeanor switches and is definitely abusive. It appears he is becoming angrier. At that point, she repeats "I love you. I'm committed to you." That is antagonistic because he just told her that hearing that is frustrating to him when she doesn't demonstrate it. This is her button-pushing again. It is likely she is trying to provoke a response and it sounds like she eventually does.
Overall, this seems like a pretty typical fight between an unhappy married couple where both have fallen into a pattern of dysfunction and mild emotional abuse. It seems she does provoke the response she wants, as he admits to yelling at her once they are off camera. She was trying to elicit that response so that she would feel justified in leaving or engaging in some other behavior that she knew was inappropriate and so she needed a reason. We all do that from time to time.
Just a typical argument. Probably better that they are divorced. I think releasing this video was inappropriate and, frankly, should result in rebuke or sanction by the judge overseeing the divorce. There was no real reason to release this. I did see his short monologue about their divorce where he goes into no detail, but does express disappointment. He makes it clear in that video that the only non-guilty party is the children. He seems most distressed for them, which is a sign of empathy and argues against the narcissism that others are accusing him over.
We all bring our own baggage to these things and it clouds are judgement. Ultimately, without more context we should all reserve the bulk of our judgement.
After reading this comment section I can tell you with 100% certainty why men are opting out of marriage.
Who filmed this? Who was acting spontaneously and who was putting on an act. This kind of crap is the worst of the Internet Age and the vile filth that is making book on it should be scorned and ignored henceforth. I don't know this dude Ali, but I am sorry I gave him a click. This is disgusting voyeurism. You are crap, dude.
There is very little context here. His behavior is not admirable, but we don’t know what has transpired. One also gets the feeling she is performing for the camera.
Every person in the comment section that has never been in an argument that if it was recorded would look worse than this please raise your hand. I hope everyone of you judgmental pricks gets your worst minutes recorded and then sent to the world for them to judge you. I'm sure you'll all come out looking squeaky clean. Also the most damning part of this argument is the part we're told about but can't see?
By no means am I condoning abusive relationships but watch the timeline. This video was selectively edited. Look at things from multiple points of view before jumping to conclusions.
Crowder may very well be emotionally abusive; but this stinks like an ordinary, Jewish smear campaign. He bit the hand by going after Daily Wire and suddenly his personal character is being attacked from all sides. Seen this movie before. :)
"LOUDER" WITH CROWDER
I like how he's clearly talking about a metaphor with the being committed thing and then this video acts like its some dramatic thing. Theres also no evidence of this nonsense claim at the end.
So.. this article is just to air a couple's dirty laundry, as gossip?
On the flip side, Bongino......Tucker, now Crowder, so it will be Bannon and then Pool then Rogan.....dont worry guys! This is all by coincidence! (Note there is a shit load of context missing here, I dont condone the tone and conversation but this is simply...meh, imagine someone editing the worst fights you ever had with your significant other.....easy to make people look bad. Perhaps he is, perhaps he isnt. Wont find that out from this though)
That is some sick s***. Seems like classic narcissistic abuse: notice the double bind? Everything is her fault & she can't do anything right. (No matter how she responds, or what she says, he immediately shames her.)
I can't imagine anyone looking at their pregnant wife, and having no functioning conscience, which in a healthy person, would cause them to stop.
Disgusting!
May Allah continue to humiliate Mr. Crowder.
Not how a man should behave. A man is the protector and caretaker of his wife and family. I get into it with my wife, too, but nothing like this ever happens. After twenty years of marriage, we know each other so well that the squabbles are at a minimum now. We know our roles and love each other for them.
And why do they live in Texas and only have 1 car?? That’s a red flag.
Crowder has some serious issues going on there. His wife would be smart to get away from him until he can prove he's getting help with those issues.
He’s a hypocrite, self centred macho piece of colon waste! Will NEVER see his program again.
Crowder is a sick dirtbag. He knows he's scaring his very pregnant wife and he doesn't care. I would be scared, too. The fact that he lost a co-host on his show makes me side with his former co-host.
Isn't the real story....If he made 5M a year, why do they have only 1 car?
Wow, what a POS!
Yeah, a complete one for sure.
So I have a couple problems with this video. First being there are 3 minutes in what is clearly the middle of a conversation. You have no context when you come into the middle like that. Second this video has been edited. Go back and look at the time at the bottom right. It jumps ahead. Edit a video and you can make anyone look bad. That being said why in the world don't they each have a car and the one thing I never heard from him or her is why didn't they go out together? They're supposed to be a couple.
None of that matters. I saw what I saw. I saw him order her around like a house slave and make demands. This is not a loving man or a loving marriage or a man who sees his wife as an equal partner and a friend. Maybe you're just like him. Your the imbecile.
Every time I watch this, I am convinced that Crowder is 'Pure Evil"!
Stephen is a very very very bad man! End of Story!
She's a stay at home wife who doesn't cook, clean, walk the dogs, contribute much to the running of the home and expects him to carry the whole load. He works and probably has to do everything else that needs to be done. Her job is to take care of the home since she's at home. Every couple argues...this is not a bad argument. Someone that says this is abusive probably cusses his or her spouse/significant other all the time. He has his own issues and his expectations are very high for her since he makes the money and she stays home. That's life. A man expects his stay-at-home wife to take care of the home and do the work that needs to be done to feed everyone and take care of the house. I'm sure he's not the greatest and is pretty demanding, but she's not pulling her weight. I bet she has a million excuses why she can't do those mundane things that need to be done to keep things running smoothly.
She didn't marry him to be his servant. She married him to be his partner and birth his children. At 8 months pregnant, her hips were totally displaced in preparation for the births, so it was difficult enough for her to walk herself, much less the pitbull laying there (which itself is a danger to the children) that already had that giant yard to run around in. He had enough money to buy her several cars, order his groceries delivered, hire a dog walker, a cook, a housekeeper, and a gardener, and even extra houses for her and each baby. But no, he had to shitake all over the only mother of his children, whose only real obligation at that stage was their safe delivery.
His behavior shows he has zero self opinion and has to crush those around him to feel better about himself. Also control freaks have terror of abandonment. You watch that vid and she was the perfect wonderful wife! She remained calm told him she loves him, 90% of guys don't believe women like her exist. Sadly, probably 90% of women don't speak man and 99% of guys don't understand women at all. I used to joke at work that I have a masters in women and was working on my phd. Most guys don't even have a high school education in women.
Dude you are crazy. You really think it’s ok for a husband to treat his wife that way? And damn she was pregnant with twins. If you don’t see that this man is seriously sick there is something wrong with you.
she refuses to medicate his sick dog because she's afraid to get the meds on her hands while she's pregnant. okay, reasonable. so he gets her some gloves...and she still won't do it. interesting...
Wow Chandra....you're one angry woman. How many time you gonna right PICK ME! Sounds like nobody has. Good luck with that foul mouth!
So what have we learned? 1.) he was unable to drive because he had just had his heart surgery that is being called "elective". 2.) Since she was so far along, he didn't want her to drive and wanted her to take an Uber. 3.) Since he just had heart surgery that they split open his ribcage to make room for his heart, he was not able to walk the dogs NOR would be be able to move around giving the dogs medication and he wanted her to do that before she went grocery shopping. I'm a woman and I am not seeing why this is such an issue. Maybe people are not aware of the seriousness of the surgery he had????
He had not had the surgery yet when this video was made. He was in the hospital and rehab for weeks after the surgery. It was a condition he was born with, but he elected to time the repairs just as the mother of his twins was entering the most dangerous time of her pregnancy and delivery, and risk orphaning his children entirely right then with his own surgical theater, in case she didn't survive, because he couldn't stand her being the medical center of attention.
Wait; do you have info on this surgery and what you claim above? If so, please provide link.
As I understand it, his whole channel has now been deleted from YouTube because he discussed election fraud or something. But at the time, I watched him discuss the surgery before and after, and even show us x-rays. He had a rib cage birth defect that was crowding his heart and lungs, that he waited his whoooole life to have repaired, until she was just about to give birth. If he has it all reposted anywhere or on another platform, you'd have to go searching for it. No doubt he will enter it into court evidence to "counter" this ring video. "Oh, poooooor me. She was only 8mo pregnant with twins, but I needed my lifelong torso defect rebuilt at exactly that time."
I always suspected this guy was a pathological liar and an all around piece of garbage.... This confirms it. Gut feelings never lie.
He can be a piece of garbage without ever lying.
What a POS... she's 8 months pregnant with twins! Why exactly can't he walk the dogs and give then the meds? Just because he decided it's her duty regardless of a change in situation such as pregnancy!? Also, even if production cost HALF of the 50 million DW offered (which seems unlikely and given that he could've negotiated for more is worst case scenario anyway), Crowder shot himself in the foot to the tune of about 1.5 million. Seems fitting.
Lol it's clear to see that her "concern" for the "danger" of handling the dog medicine was nothing more than an excuse to get out of doing it. He told her to put on gloves (which would eliminate any and all dangers of handling medication), and she just tried to run away/change the topic.
Lazy wife, through and through.
What I really love is, when I'm in late-term pregnancy with twins, my loving husband sits on his ass smoking a cigar and orders me to deal with toxic medicine for his dogs, especially when all I'm trying to do is get to the grocery store. Obviously I'm the lazy one in this picture.
can you imagine having to run your own business that brings in millions of dollars a year and deal with your employees and put up with communists constantly harassing you ... and your stay-at-home wife won't even medicate your sick dog for you?? no wonder he got bitchy...
If you ever had one, you don't have one anymore, do you.
I'm sorry man, but listen, of course he looks bad... There's no doubt about it but I'm sorry dude, This is such a horrible version of today's society and how the media works.... This is such an intrusion on a married couple's personal life that we just get to see now and judge and act like we know all the inner workings of their marriage and relationship... you have no idea how many things I've heard My parents say to each other that were 10 times worse than this and they've been married for 55 years and LOVE eachother...married couples have wonderful moments and sometimes really horrible moments...This is such a fucking infringement on people's private life we have no idea what's been going on with this marriage...and the fact that we can just feel comfortable looking in on people's lives like this is so fucked man... I can't stand this society now... This is such a private moment it's unreal I feel sick watching it...
He's the one who publicized it and called her a gold digger. This forced her to publicly defend herself and release the video she had recorded only for her lawyer.
he never directly called her a gold digger. again, she's playing the victim while twisting the knife. no sympathy.
She doesn't need anything from you. She just needs her lawyer and a judge. He otoh, has lost his whole family. No sympathy for him.
Dunno. Been married a long time and never had this type of conversation or tone ever with my bride. It gets bumpy sometimes sure but always respectful. Besides, she'd kill me in my sleep if I pulled this kinda stuff. Just sayin.
I've been to boot camp. Nothing here was abusive.
Oh, did you put your 8mo pregnant wife through boot camp? You are damaged goods. Be careful when you finally drive her to "Til death do is part" becoming a comfort to her, and she can no longer care which of you goes first.
"My parents spanked me and I turned out fine"
This seams like half the story. It seams like a lot of drama and fear stemming from a dying dog, surgery, and a pregnant wife, maybe even some medication. If Crowder is descent and great 99% and the 1 percent is this, and this it what the world sees, that is sad.
That 1% could be a bullet that kills her and both children.
It's horribly horrorful. Why do they only have one car? Why do people fight like this and drain the life and joy out of life? Crowder is nasty and tiresome. However, he does not know he is being recorded, so she has the advantage of looking and acting more reasonable.
The 1 car situation really bothers me. Why?????
By purchasing a 2nd car, she'd have power. The power to go where she wanted to. Narcissists don't allow stuff like that to happen.
His control issues. I can guarantee it's not that way now. She was wise to disable his behavior.
Why would he not know he owns a Ring camera?
I bet you he not only knew he was being recorded, he argued with his wife over where the installation guy was gonna mount the camera. Why would he confess to saying he was gonna eff her up, a statement that he could arguably denied saying as they were inside the house? He was escalating BECAUSE he knew he was beyond that Ring camera's ability. Or so he thought.
He's a prick. You need a divorce. This man wants a house slave for a wife. He seems to think that's what marriage is all about. She should not be committed to him. She needs to find a divorce lawyer and sneak away. He seems like he could be dangerous.
Exactly. It's plain as day. Thank goodness they're already in the process of divorce.
He's been lying about it on-air and this article and video are an attempt to correct the false record he's creating. To hear him tell it, he loves her and never wanted a divorce and is irritated that the state of Texas doesn't allow him to force her to stay married to him. I mean, he hasn't beat her up and she can just divorce him for no reason at all!
Doesn't that say everything "He's irritated that the state of Tx doesn't FORCE her to be married to her". LOL
you clearly didnt actually read the article nor do you actually follow Crowder. they have been working on a divorce for years now, you imbecile.
I think everyone should watch the video a couple times and listen closely to the nuances. Of course we needed greater context and the article written doesn't provide any real evidence, but, if you listen in the video there are some statements and tone by Crowder which should be noted.
He mentioned his own boundaries. That verbiage is from a therapist/counsellor, which indicates there may have been actions by her towards him in the past that were verbally or emotionally hurtful.
He mentioned that he never received love from her. That's also a major admission by a man to his wife.
He was triggered by the word "abuse" mentioned by her, almost like she used that word before in a frivolous manner.
I think there is much more going on behind what this 2-3 minutes clip shows.
I can see why you and your mom were estranged. Can't imagine anyone wanting to be around someone like you.
Please seek help.
This guy is nothing short of an asshole.
time to get away from this evil prick.
This should be private whoever put this on the web should be ashamed of themselves
Why? Because it shows shameful behavior? Plenty of people here are defending it as a normal marital argument.
It's none of our fvcking business....butt out.
It's a private affair.
you are obviously a craven leftist activist.
lol.....outrage culture , professional victim.
you're also very vapid.
.... except that it's the 21st Century now and any celebrity should have enough brains to exercise self-control. And he was not. Close your eyes and imagine hearing that from your neighbor's patio.
Reminds me of the 30-yr old video of Bill O'Reilly "We'll do it live!" If your temper/ego causes you to blow your top at your pregnant wife or a teleprompter, you deserve what you get.
You mind you own business , that's what you do.....
lol....hard to quantify and properly express just how idiotic you must be, lol.
he's in the privacy of his own home!!
WTF is this Truman Show??
haahahhaha
That's not abuse in that clip...he is an asshole though by not putting the pregnancy first over his own matters. Funny how most of the women in these comments think cheating on their men isn't abusive.
You'd have to point out a comment here by a woman defending infidelity, which you can't do because no one has said that. It's certainly not in "most of these comments" by women. Wild imagination you've got there!
None of that is happening here you psycho.
lol.. if that is the worse that she has against him, then she's got nothing
i was verbally and physically abused by first husband, i know a little bit about it.. you don't own the rights on abuse, honey.. get over yourself..
I don’t like coming into an argument without any context. Yes, he’s pissed and he says stuff he probably regrets (who hasn’t). But something one-sided can, and usually is, misleading without a bigger picture.
What context makes shouting "I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU UP" to your pregnant wife okay?
Link?
100%. Way more to this relationship and story.
...a hit piece on an influential Conservative ? ...
...why am I not surprised ? ...
...I'm not going to pass judgement based on an obviously stolen and leaked private video...
Nobody made Crowder abuse his wife but himself.
He put the hit on himself by behaving this way and lying in his statement previously. If your are too loyal and brainwashed to see it then there is no helping you
Unless it was your girlfriend's ex-husband speaking to her like that.
Ooo, verbal abuse, its not like he approved of mutilating kids and aborting innocent babies.
Ronald, how many years have you been married to your lovely wife?
Try that line in court
No physical abuse? Then suck it up buttercup. Women can do anything a man can do, that includes not be hurt by words.
Thankfully the law has a different, more sane definition of abuse that does include verbal and emotional abuse. You have to visit Incel Land to find your definition.
Tell us what Hilary did wrong in this video or outside of it
The "watch it, watch it" was especially revealing. My question is, "Or what?"
This fuckhead is loaded, yet has 1 car so he's always in control. I was so scared for her as I watched this. Glad she got away from him. This douche has serious Bundy vibes.
You all can argue if this is abuse or not but 8 months pregnant with twins- she should not be on her feet like that as most women are bed bound dt that point let alone driving ANYWHERE! And this tool is DEMANDING she "walk the dogs". He shouldn't be doing ANYTHING that stresses her out because it could force her into labor. She had a hard time getting pregnant, had to go through invitro and everything else - those women are ALWAYS more cautious (at times to sn irrational degree) because they wanted children so badly and it was SO difficult so their ONLY concern becomes maintaining a healthy pregnancy. If she doesn't wanna give the dogs pills- SHE SHOULDNT! Besides, at 8 months with ONE baby you are so God awful uncomfortable! EVERY MOVEMENT is a chore- AND SHES PREGNANT WITH TWINS! What would take him 2 seconds will take her 10 minutes!
I've seen this before. Chick stays with abusive guy until she has a baby. Then she realizes that the actual baby is most important and his childish ways are an obstruction to her ability to care for the children, so she leaves him. Good on her for walking away. Her children will get a happy, healthy mommy and he'll die alone and miserable.
I think she also had a miscarriage at one point.
Why was this video allowed to be shared? They're going through a divorce. I wouldn't talk to my wife like that but people do much worse. It seems maybe he was being set up. And unless his ring camera was hacked, the only person who could release this footage is her
did you read the article? Her family released it, yes your question has been asked and answered but please read the article before you comment, it makes you look less stupid.
Well, for all of you bashing Crowder, it turns out his wife selectively edited this video and provided it to Yashar in contravention of court orders related to privacy.
So don't tell me that Hillary isn't playing dirty.
Crowder has now filed a request for the court to allow all of the legal proceedings to be made public. I'm wondering if sweet little Hillary anticipated this move. She obviously banked on everyone believing her side of the story.
she asked him not to discuss their divorce publicly and yet he did it cause you know Candace Owens I guess that negates the legal request.
and if he wants us to be convinced he's not the bad guy, insulting me and throwing his wife under the bus while demanding that no one else attack his wife, then threatening to doxx his wife while simultaneously claiming he's concerned about her and the safety of his children, uh nope not buying it. His character has been plain to see for years, and that's the side that he thinks looks *good.*
This is how twisted women can become.
There is nothing wrong with announcing a divorce.
His wife arranged for the video to be spliced and provided to Yashar and the media. That alone shows how evil she is and how unconcerned she is with privacy issues. She has huge motivation to do that so that she can clean up in a divorce settlement and get sole custody of the kids.
Read up sometime about men's rights in divorces, how much they have to pay through the nose to nonproductive wives, and how the wives turn the kids against the father.
Truly surprised at many of the comments here defending what they see in this video under the guise of "we don't know the whole story." Some of these comments are truly despicable.
It is possible to understand that there may be more to this story and at the same time be disgusted by what you see here. There is no contradiction there.
For those on this thread that are animated by the "women do it too" spirit, yes women do this as well. It can look like this, even though it often looks a little different. These differences mean little if you have seen or been the victim of emotional abuse, especially if prolonged over years, because the similarities are apparent.
If someone tries to say that maybe Crowder is the real victim and that this is just a snapshot that is taken out of context from her normal behavior, I will say this: It is true that sometimes victims of abuse will lash out drastically and lash out in ways that even seems similar to the abuse that they have suffered. It is also true that if one were to take a selective snapshot of that moment that it could be made to look like they are the aggressor. But there are some very notable differences. First, the victim's outburst is usually relatively short. Second, there is almost an immediate pull back when the victim realizes that they have retaliated. Third, there is an almost immediate remorse, which can be seen in the face and demeanor, if not in words. Fourth, the abuser does not show even the slightest fear in the moment, but will feign fear at a later date to gain the sympathy of others. Fifth, the abuser will very quickly pounce on the victim's outburst and use it against them, often publicly.
These signs do not appear to be there at all. I'm sure more will come out in the future, but I would be surprised if this is not what it appears to be.
If you are a man commenting on this from the standpoint of expressing the legitimate frustration men have with how their are treated in general in the modern world, you should understand that defending this will only show that women should always be wary of men.
I guess the only thing I'll say is leave them alone.
None of your or my business.
A case of selective outrage from the left.
Their outrage, it's all political.
All for show.
They care nothing for his wife....its about getting steven because he is an impediment to their agenda.
It's so transparent for anyone with any cognizant abilities
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wow what a load of crap this is... dems drop some cash to get her to hand over a bait tape? He isnt being very unreasonable and it sounds like shes cheated on him and thats the issue here
I've watched this several times... and anyone who thinks they know anything about what's going on in this marriage from this three minute clip is delusional... there's no way to know the context here.
We don't know the context. What the hell are the underlying arguments? She won't walk the dogs because it hurts her hands? Why won't she take an Uber? (Of course, why can't he?) We cannot discount her modifying her normal behavior because she was fully aware of the camera and committed to using video evidence against him. The biggest red flag is he hasn't bought a car for her to use. He apparently likes to keep her housebound. And he is a jerk. I bet she hung around partly because of the money.
so what does being a meanie have to do with spreading Truth and exposing the lies of the mainstream media, the globalist eugenicist elite and their agenda and manipulations and controlled narratives for the Great Reset, and the likes of you, the absolutely disgusting parasitical agenda-spinning Yashar Ali...?? oh yea; Nothing.... lmfao. and the people that can't see that just expose themselves for being the blind mind-controlled sheep they are... keep whinin cuz the salt continues to make me smile and laugh.... kisseS! mwuah!!! ;)
Why do they only have one car ?
This is not abuse.
This is not abuse.
I think what we've learned here is that installing a surveillance camera on your porch is a bad idea. Imagine if every argument you ever had with your spouse could be edited to drive a narrative and then posted as "news" for the world to see. Why do people do these things? Every married or dating couple I've ever known have had some ugly verbal spats. This is much ado about nothing. They are both clearly self-centered, incompatible as a couple and unwilling to change. So yeah... divorce was inevitable. But I see nothing here that I haven't seen a million times from just about every couple I've ever met.
Men, this woman is the perfect example why you never get married. And AWALT! Crowder is very busy and needs the car to do a dozen things, she knows it, but she still concocts some illusionary made-up reason why she immediately requires the use of his car simply to create a dramatic situation to annoy Crowder by using her pouty-face, the insincere "I love you" response, guilt, gaslighitng, and self-proclaimed "I am the woman" victimhood.
possible
Yikes, if my marital fights were leaked.... if any of our marital/relationship fights were leaked.... we’d all look like psychos.
he made sure to have only one car as a tool of abuse
But what is a “woman?” I thought we were all the same now. Boo fucking hoo.
She's a strong female character that don't need no man! :-)
That guy is such a douch
I always knew he was
That’s why he talks with Alex Jones
She sure is a sassy little thing.
I sure didn’t see anyone workin anyone over that’s for sure!
Where’s the full video?
it's a deceptively-edited out--of-context video clip designed to portray him in the worst possible light, published by a leftist "journalist" as part of a messy divorce battle. think Amber Heard.
Nah, you are just retarded.
Let this be a lesson: Men of means should marry SOUTHEAST ASIAN women and have them implanted with the fertilized eggs of White women.
You can still have biological children that look like you while at the same time enjoying married life with a woman who will actually be a respectful homemaker. YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL.
Yeah, you can get them a job at the nail salon and only have one car just like Crowder....
Steven Crowder is a piece of shit. Prove me wrong.
Steven Crowder is a piece of shit. Prove me wrong.
Stephen Crowder is a closeted, self-hating gay man. He was hiding in a loveless marriage and tried to use religion to pretend he is an 'acceptable' straight man. Stephen was using this woman for both personal servitude as well as protection against being outed as a gay man. His hatred for himself or his inability to reconcile his sexual orientation causes him to lash out at this woman like this. Look at how he treated her. He blatantly said he doesn't love her in this video. Furthermore, here he was complaining to an 8 months pregnant woman about what HE doesn't have the freedom to do. Not only was he oblivious to how she felt and what she went through, but he also acted like she must be 'suffer' as well because he was suffering. This is similar to how a slave master would take their personal grievances out on their slaves. If he indeed wasn't a part of his children's birth then it's clear. He has a vagina phobia and never loved this woman enough to support her through such a process. It's ok to struggle with being a closeted gay man. It's a tough thing that gets even more complicated in the increasing political climate guys like Crowder help foster. However, to be a complete and utter dictator jackass in a marriage like this is unnecessary. Come on Stephen Crowder. Get over the fact that you are a gay man. Divorce this woman you never loved, be a father to those kids you helped make and be open with yourself about who you are. That is the healthiest route for you. To be bitching on your show about how Texas allows no fault divorce, like that's the source of your problem, is cowardly. Man up and admit that you are either gay or bi Stephen. That is the first step towards you getting mentally healthier.
That video is so embarrassing! I want to beat that Dipshit Crowder into the ground right now. He is an embarrassment for sure.
That being said? Maga is now your issue? Pedo Joe and Crackhead Hunter (who eff's everyting that moves (brothers wives, brothers wives sisters, neices, and on and on) Are there any warriours amongst that fight against the scum in DC ? Not looking good!
Tucker rises as Crowder implodes.
The author and her family statement indicated this was "elective surgery", but, a brief review online leads me to believe this was in fact to repair a collapsed chest plate pressing on his heart which caused shortness of breath and fatigue. I understand that repairing this issue will make the chest not look "sunken in" and visually better, but, to say having surgery to correct your breathing and other risks is "elective" is ridiculous.
Anyone else know anything about the procedure, it's impact, complications, and risks? I noticed the surgery was scheduled for 4-5 days after this recording. Certainly subject matter that is to be considered here.
I listened to him discuss his surgery extensively at the time just before and just after his surgery. He showed us before and after x-rays and everything. It was a condition he'd had his whole life. He was BORN with it. So what the hell did he wait for? He claimed to choose the timing of the repair surgery to immediately before the birth "to give him time to recover before the children came, because muh twins are hard." Well, why did he wait his whole life until just when she needed him most, birthing those twins (a deadly stage itself), to force her to be tending HIM, when she needed to be tending herself? My conclusion - he couldn't stand for HER to be the big medical center of attention. He had to take that from her.
women used to take care of infants and chase after toddlers while they were pregnant. he just asked her to give medicine to a sick dog. he even bought her gloves. instead she wanted to go shopping. this is an edited out-of-context three minute clip from two years ago that is released to a leftist "journalist" in the middle of a nasty divorce.
you've got to be literally retarded not to understand that this is being framed to make him look as bad as possible by people who have an agenda.
If he had the gloves and wanted it done, he should have done it himself. Besides the gloves, she was supposed to muscle that big-teeth pit-bull in the video with her tender belly full of babies to get its meds down it's throat? Gimme air.
When women are that big and pregnant, chasing toddlers is nearly impossible, unless she has other family around, which she didn't have in town yet, since these were her first children. When I was that far along in a non-first pregnancy, I definitely could not run fast enough to chase my older toddler (much less a pit-bull) who got away in public, and other family with me had to nab her. Women at that stage of pregnancy need assistance in many things. Crowder's a cold selfish clod.
She has a right to frame the video context any way she wants, since he was first to publicize the divorce framing it however he wanted to his international audience.
I don't know, I am not a cardiologist. But saying he wanted the medical center of attention seems like a stretch since we don't really know the circumstances surrounding the condition.
For example, my cousin has a heart condition at only 1yr old, but, they cannot operate on it until he reaches the age of 16 (or 18 I forget) b/c part of the heart needs to be fully developed. Just saying, we don't know what we don't know....
Well, Crowder's in his 30's. The surgery was pretty conveniently timed to coincide with the c-section of his twins. I guess we'll have to wait for the divorce judge to rule on it.
I think it was 5-6 weeks before she gave birth. I agree it seems like odd timing, but, again we really don’t have factual information on his medical history.
Maybe it wasn’t an issue until recently? Maybe symptoms were not noticeable until recently? Maybe he thought his symptoms would get better but they didn’t? Maybe another medical event (rib protruding) caused the cardiologist to recommend immediate surgery? Maybe he tried scheduling sooner but Covid got in the way?
Lots of speculation I know, but, I hate to make judgments without facts.
I caught that too. An observation that may well make me a pussy ass bitch… :)
Crowder should replace her with a 22 year old Ukrainian refugee.
Sure, Biden's trafficked women will take that kind of abuse.
"I also reviewed text messages, extensive audio files, and personal videos documenting the Crowder's marriage."
Okay, so where are they?
Never read this author's material prior to now, yet as soon as I began reading this came clearly to me: I propose "Yashar Ali" the author of this article is potentially a DEEP STATE HACK....getting paid or influenced to pen a Conservative Constitutional 2A Patriot like Crowder, in such a negative light. WHAT A JOKE. You are one deprived self righteous author “Yashar Ali”. The same week Tucker Carlson get’s released from FOX…surely zero coincidence right?! As if any of us know anything substantial about their marriage nor either of their individual life realities, and IT’S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. You can always recognize a Biblical JUDAS because his hand is always in the cookie jar of what DOES NOT belong to him, AND how “Yashar Ali” measures out his “one sided” position surely reveals he does not know nor walk with The Holy Spirit. As you judge and measure out “Yashar Ali”, so shall it be measured out upon you…all your days. Deep State Hacks stand out like a SORE THUMB.
There are many women on this board who recognize this behavior and are having sickening flashbacks. Crowder always has his big multi-million $$ show to tell his side. She had not intended to go public, and recorded this for her lawyer and a judge. He's the one who went public, and called her a gold digger while he was at it, so he deserves for her to publicly defend herself.
What a douche Crowder is. Wow.
Everyone abuses everyone. By saying foul things, ignoring, withholding love, leaving, manipulating, taking for granted, stealing, lying, cheating. Get over it. That was a pretty tame argument. The ex released the video to ruin him. So there! Those who judge are hypocrates. That being said men are better off ruling households with silent authority. Men who engage, as she says, lose. He should have known. There goes his family and his money and now great judgment is against him from all you holy rollers.
"Everyone abuses everyone." Project much? You will have to speak for yourself.
More like have learned to forgive.
Idk what kind of people you have in your life to say that. My husband has never ever spoken to me with even a fraction of the malice Steven Crowder shows here.
Then maybe you are the problem not your husband. No one has clean hands. Not one.
Ok retard.
Some counseling would benefit the two of them. He is a bit manipulative...she is tired of it.
Figure it out.
In relationships it takes both to figure it out. Her 1st mistake was allowing that kind of behavior to creep into their marriage. His was treating her like a subject of his rather than an equal...such petty, demeaning behavior from those who have self esteem issues...taking it out on others to make themselves feel better. I have been married for 27 years...never have my wife or I ever spoken to each other in this manner. She watched the video and agrees both of them were at fault. My wife felt she was playing for the camera...her choice of words and demeanor seemed fake...as she allowed him to carry on, all the while acting and saying she loves him and all that "stuff". My wife and I have had some great arguments over the years...none of them sounded like that one.
It takes two to Tango.
Who da f*ck is Steven Crowder????
The Daily Wire is a corrupt joke. I literally tries to own and control anyone who appears in the network. One would have to be insane to trust Ben Shapiro in a business deal! Safer to get into bed with the Chinese or the Israelis!!
doing a business deal with Shapiro IS getting into bed with the Israelis.
when he talked about his divorce he said on his show that it should not be allowed if one side does not want it:D lol. What a controlling piece of trash this dude is. Of course! The wife should just submit and do what he wants. Vomit.
Wow, so much money and no self discipline. I have been dirt poor all my life and I don't understand why only these type of people always get so much but appreciate nothing.
There are poor men who act like this too, and women are not immune to being abusers. Just look at Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris. It's an arrogance thing. But only the rich ones make the news unless someone murders somebody.
What a jerk I would divorce his ass and take 2/3 his money and never let him see the kidk
Psyop folks!! The goal is to have a bunch of "Deep State Bots spread 'You Go Crowder, Bitch Slap her around while you are at it to show your true Maga Colors?
Crowder exhibited absolutely deplorable behaviour, but now, thanks to this Croweder turd, we will be floating on life preservere vests!
I was never much of a fan... but when he released that video a few months ago (about his negotiations w/ The Daily Wire), it was obvious to me Crowder wasn't trying to tell his audience anything. He was threatening an unnamed company (TDW, as it turns out). What's one of the worse things one could do to a Conservative media entity? Expose it as being "in line with big tech." Because it's akin to sleeping with the enemy.
It's the same complaint that true Conservatives have against the Republican Party. Conservatives realize their only way to power is via the Republican Party. But many Conservatives lament how the Republican Party is in bed with their ideological enemies. (Which I believe they are, BTW....)
The key word in the above paragraph is only. The negotiation with TDW was the ONLY deal of that size ever offered. A paranoid narcissist in such negotiations, not getting this company to bend to his will but not wanting to lose the big opportunity the company was offering, would try some way to threaten the company. He'd record every phone conversation as the deal was unraveling. Finally, believing he was still in a position of power, he'd release some cryptic video about having (secret) information on an anonymous Conservative media company that was sleeping with the enemy.
That technique never works except in the mind of the paranoid narcissist. I'll go one further - I bet Crowder was receiving sound legal advice that TDW's terms were fair in the industry, and fired the lawyer(s). A narcissist cannot be told otherwise. It's obviously a weak attorney, not a paranoid a-hole. Crowder probably continued to negotiate by himself (hence, the telephone conversation recording).
Who is so dumb as to negotiate a 4-year/$50M by himself? A narcissist, that's who.
Why wasn't Crowder's lawyer doing the speaking?
Now in his video, psychologically, Crowder is using the sharpest sword he can think of against TDW.
.... to punish TDW. Punish them.
To narcissists, "it" is always simple. Follow his rules, do your wifely chores, and the narcissist promises to play nice. But they never do.
It's probably the mistake his wife made. Tried over and over and over to make him happy but that's the absolutely wrong way to handle a true narcissist. It only makes them bully more.
Always suspected this guy was a pathological liar and an all around piece of garbage. Wow.
Why do the Crowders only have one car? He has plenty of money, If they each have their own car this wouldn't be a problem.
Contol issues.
This is a private situation. It's disgusting for her to have done that.
Done what? He's the one who publicized it. She recorded it only for her lawyer, and now since Crowder publicized the divorce himself, publicly calling her a gold digger, rather than a twin birth survivor (single births are physically traumatic enough), she is forced to defend herself in public. In my day before video phones, I had to wait until I had an actual witness to the abuse that was happening, so my own family would understand, before he could escalate it to physical violence. Oh yeah, abusive men are sneaky with abuse. That's WHY no-fault.
Ephesians 5
Wives and Husbands
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit fin everything to their husbands.
25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.1 28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, 30 because we are members of his body. 31 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Speaking as a husband... you must always remember to love your wife. Your are the head of house, which means build your wife up (and your children). If you do not love her, a wife will have trouble submitting to you.
Also, it is more difficult for a man to love than a woman to love. That is why as Ephesian 5:25 puts it, it is Commanded by GOD to love your wife.
good points. this is how the pimp gets his bottom bitch to submit - he pretends to love her. in exchange, she submits to him and also gets him his money.
Pretending to love is not love.
Well one thing is for sure, this divorce just got a lot nastier.
Wife beating should be a death sentence.
Geez; guess I missed the part in the video where he beat her.
He threatened it. It was coming,. She gpt out.
Alex Jones, Steven Crowder, Tucker Carlson.... who will the communist cancer take next?
Hopefully Ben Shapiro, Glenn Beck, Trump and more scum.
Back when I was one of the first-time mug-club members, I remember thinking Steven was super funny and insightful. His phenomenal interview with Walt Heyer showed his compassionate side, BUT slowly I could see his abusive behavior creep onto the set not so far later -- especially with Jared. It was subtle changes, but still recognizable.
I was emotionally abused by Yashar Ali. That is sick and disgusting. I need space at this time, to perform sassy self-care.
I’ve been married for 35 years. I recognize this type of interaction between people who are sick of each other, and know each other well enough to anticipate every reaction. Ass-holery comes in many forms, and this dance usually involves some fancy footwork where one person advances the attack while the other retreats. As a woman with kids, I can attest that being pregnant can be a huge inconvenience for everyone involved. I see a man verbally attacking a woman who will not shift out of flaccid mode. He is mean and aggressive, and she is being annoying by responding with platitudes. She should have attacked him back instead of being so passive, after all, it is obviously what he was subconsciously looking for. They both, as the adult children they (we) are, were looking for affirmation and not finding it. He was looking for a verbal slap-down (and not getting it) and she was looking for cuddly camaraderie (and not getting it). And one car on one continent is not enough for an aggravated married couple to get some space!
Her counter-attacking wouldn't have played well for the camera.
Hint.
She's afraid of him. I wouldn't be surprised if she's tried shifting out of "flaccid mode" in the past and had to take a beating. She's obviously trying to de-escalate to avoid worse from happening.
Don’t think this is obvious. We don’t know about any previous physical abusive actions by either.
I am getting a highly uncomfortable feeling from the comments (what a surprise) regarding “women as victims.” Yes there are plenty, and where physicality rules the roost, women often get hurt, or worse. But for myself, as a woman, her refusal to recognize his anger in a legitimate way was just infuriating! I do not understand why women will put up with partners who act like idiots: I sure wouldn’t. I tell my husband often that we will stay a couple (what does that mean anyway? We are individuals always!) as long as I choose him. And as long as he chooses me. Screw the HABIT of being together for its own sake. And after decades of marriage, we are both each other’s creation to some extent, schooled and conditioned by each other. There is no amount of money that would keep me around if things deteriorated. Tip for women: ALWAYS keep an account which is yours alone. Money is power, especially in circumstances where your partner is becoming toxic.
That said, as a woman with kids, I would have put this guy in his place ages ago. Or used my two good feet to walk out. Why do women hang around? It is simple: its the easiest thing to do. As in my previous comment, it is acknowledgement of his pain and anger he was seeking, and her reaction was just infuriating. I wonder what she was seeking from him?? But of course all this conjecture based on a couple of minutes of “random” video is profoundly unfair to all parties involved.
Fair point of view, I can respect that. As someone divorcing (high conflict) after 15yrs I can see that, but, also having to battle false allegations of "abuse" in court I can see why that word elicits a strong response from him in this video when she mentions it.
I think the overuse of that word has resulted in it losing a lot of its meaning.
Towards the end of our marriage, that word started to be used a lot, and only later did I realize why. That was b/c she was recording our conversations and using the word to reference back to previous arguments or events that never transpired. Luckily, thus far, I have been able to ferret out the lies and push back on the false narrative.
Anyone surprised? Why is this news?
It's news because before this video was leaked, Steven put out a public statement making it seem like he was the victim
So many narcissists have become professional victims nowadays. Lemon, Tucker, Trump, Bannon, AOC... the list is getting very long. People need to identify with a heroic sense of victimhood. Aspiring.
I don't understand what you're trying to say
She needs to check that tone.
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You say that he says I will fuck you up in the video but after listening to it many times I didn't hear that. This doesn't show any abuse. This shows a toxic argument about very vague relationship issues.
You should try reading the article.
Until you notice that she's hugely preggers. Sorry, but you don't tell your 8-mo pregnant wife to put on the gloves or do her wifely duties. Maybe down in TX but here in Chicago, you're told to get f***ed.
LOL
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