Conversion to left hand sidecar

[mstainsbytron]

Hi am from the UK and recently purchased a 1986 ural with a right hand sidecar. Have found out that in order to be Road legal in the UK the car needs to be on the left. Does anyone have any experience of doing this modification and could offer any advice?


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[Lmo]

Welcome aboard! A 1996 Ural (insert model information please) 1WD, 2WD, etc.

[mstainsbytron]

Welcome aboard! A 1996 Ural (insert model information please) 1WD, 2WD, etc.

1986 ural 650 tourist. 1wd braked sidecar wheel


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[Lmo]

Our friend, your compatriot, Dneprlover, will probably be along by and by.

But it would appear, from this article anyway, that Ural manufacturers a "left side mount" sidecar and body (which surprises me given their limited production capacity).



But briefly, to move the right-side mounted chair to the left side; sidecar shock tower will have to be inverted, shock mount on sidecar swing arm will have to be fabricated, motorcycle sidecar mounts will have to be welded on, etc.

[chaos2]

or you could mount it with the car facing backwards.

[dneprlover]

I'm staying out of this one Lew. To my knowledge, the tourist model wasn't around in 1986 and that year wouldn't be fitted with a sidecar brake anyway. Your guess is as good as mine as to what he has got.
If it was bought off one of the East Europeans on Ebay, it could be anything.

My suggestion would be to ask on Russian Iron motorcycle club or join the COC and ask Peter Ballard.

[mstainsbytron]

I'm staying out of this one Lew. To my knowledge, the tourist model wasn't around in 1986 and that year wouldn't be fitted with a sidecar brake anyway. Your guess is as good as mine as to what he has got.
If it was bought off one of the East Europeans on Ebay, it could be anything.

My suggestion would be to ask on Russian Iron motorcycle club or join the COC and ask Peter Ballard.

Maybe wrong on tourist but it is definitely 1986 (age related plate and V5) M67 M3-8 103 -40 according to accompanying service manual (backwards N befor m3 but don't have Russian keypad to type it )
(Accessories aren't original)


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[dneprlover]

1992-1998 Ural tourist. If it has electric start it's 1999 onwards.

You've been conned and if it was in that state when you bought it , the seller was breaking the law under the 'cause or permit' wording of section 93

[Lmo]

Oiy.. .. .

But on a positive note... most of the hardware that is needed (mounting lugs in particular) is available.

http://sidecarpro.com/BFA-bike-frame-an ... ories.html

You'll also need a welder and fabrication skills, not to mention perseverance, and some cash.

But I think I'd be making some phone calls asap.

[GregAus]

The M-67 was an early 32hp model fitted with a G-424 alternator and reverse gearbox. In 1976 it became the M-67-36 with the addition of the 36hp motor. Towards the end of production it was given the Soviet GOSTSTANDART ИМЗ-8.101 (IMZ-8.101). In 1986 it was replaced by the ИМЗ-8.103-10 (IMZ-8.103-10). In 1991, with the addition of leading link forks it became the IMZ-8.103-40 "Tourist". In 1995 with the addition of a differential sidecar drive it became the IMZ-8.107 Tourist or Sportsman depending on the market. Later it was modified to an engageable 2WD called the Patrol or Sportsman depending on the market.

The bike pictured doesn't have leading link forks so unless they were replaced with telescopics it is not a Tourist or IMZ-8.103-40. If it has points ignition it is possibly a very late M-67-36 from early 1986, or if it has an electronic ignition (the so-called Type I) it is an IMZ-8.103-10.

The IMZ-8.103-10 parts book indicates that the sidecar brake was introduced on the IMZ-8.103.

Converting the sidecar chassis is relatively easy as long as you make up a jig to keep to keep the shock mount it its correct location.

What you have -

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What you're aiming for -

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In Australia people generally just cut the mounts off the RH side and reweld them on the LH side. Be careful with the rear ball mount as there are two styles, one that can be swapped without moving the ball position and one that cannot.

[GregAus]

Just noticed that it has the later solo style front mudguard fitted.

[Mr Wazzock]

But it would appear, from this article anyway, that Ural manufacturers a "left side mount" sidecar and body (which surprises me given their limited production capacity).

O-oh yay-yas!

[Mr Wazzock]

Just noticed that it has the later solo style front mudguard fitted.

Started out as a solo with a chair added on later?

[Lmo]

My bad, didn't provide a photo source

http://amcn.com.au/editorial/bit-side-road-test-ural/



Not really a scary impossible task, but it's going to take some planning.

Sidecar swing arm will need shock mounts welded on.
Sidecar frame will have to be inverted
Sidecar frame swing arm shock "tower" will need to be carefully cut loose and re-positioned on the opposite side.
Fender mounts (it would be sweet if the fender could just be reversed, but I don't think it's cut right for that)
Sidecar lower front mount will probably require realignment (when mounted on right side it is a tad lower than the plane of the sidecar)
Sidecar brake linkage will need to be dealt with... and that will take some ingenuity to transfer the control over to the left side of the bike.
Upper strut forgings will need to be welded to the motorcycled.H
Lower ball forgings will need to be welded to the motorcycle.
Sidecar "door" opening will be toward the motorcycle.

Here in the States we'd just roll it into the garage and have at it. Don't know if you are "allowed" to make modifications in Britain; I can kind of imagine some agency might have their finger on this kind of work. TIV?

[mstainsbytron]

My bad, didn't provide a photo source

http://amcn.com.au/editorial/bit-side-road-test-ural/



Not really a scary impossible task, but it's going to take some planning.

Sidecar swing arm will need shock mounts welded on.
Sidecar frame will have to be inverted
Sidecar frame swing arm shock "tower" will need to be carefully cut loose and re-positioned on the opposite side.
Fender mounts (it would be sweet if the fender could just be reversed, but I don't think it's cut right for that)
Sidecar lower front mount will probably require realignment (when mounted on right side it is a tad lower than the plane of the sidecar)
Sidecar brake linkage will need to be dealt with... and that will take some ingenuity to transfer the control over to the left side of the bike.
Upper strut forgings will need to be welded to the motorcycled.H
Lower ball forgings will need to be welded to the motorcycle.
Sidecar "door" opening will be toward the motorcycle.

Here in the States we'd just roll it into the garage and have at it. Don't know if you are "allowed" to make modifications in Britain; I can kind of imagine some agency might have their finger on this kind of work. TIV?

Thanks to everyone whose replied. Think it's definitely a job for a professional. Beats me how it was able to be registered with dvla in the first place and how it's continued to pass an MOT all registered as a combo and not a solo.(although it may explain why it's had three registered owners in last 18 months)


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