(cache)Government Brainwashing Expert On How To Spot Lies & Influence Anyone - Chase Hughes DRVN Podcast with Leon Hendrix English (auto-generated) English (auto-generated)

Government Brainwashing Expert On How To Spot Lies & Influence Anyone - Chase HughesYouTube↗
People & Blogs 84.7K views 3.1K likes 18 Sep 2024

DRVN Podcast with Leon Hendrix 58.5K subscribers United States YouTube↗

the fastest way to read a human being is

to keep one question in your head it is

today I'm talking to chase Hughes a US

Government brainwashing and

interrogation expert who spent 20 years

in the military trained intelligence

agencies later on became a

neuroscientist and is regarded as the

number one human behavior expert in the

world there's a formula that I used to

teach for actual brainwashing and it

works the same to brainwash ourselves

out of a behavior in this episode we

dive into how to read anyone and cover

their true motivations how to spot a lie

and get them to reveal the truth how

your personality shows up in the shape

of your face a miracal compound that he

takes to heal his brain and how to

brainwash yourself before the world does

it for you so put on your seat belts

let's get into

it being on the behavior panel you've

looked at countless cases where you

analyze human beings whether they're

lying or not whether they've abducted or

killed their own children yeah what's

the most FAS or chilling case that you

remember that you analyzed Aaron

Cathy and that was the

true embodiment of what a psychopath is

and she had

her parents murdered and her little

brother who was a child and her boy she

convinced her boyfriend to do all this

and the boyfriend was not a psychopath

no he I think he was just super

suggestible and she knew how to pull

he was just really really into

her yeah and Dr Phil interviewed her and

you could see those eyes and like just I

never I've studied psychopathy for a

long time but I never felt it until that

video where you could just

feel that that that's not a human being

almost like there's no human in there

that's that's a wild creature that has

no that views a human being the same as

throwing away a paper

cup so you just see through the behavior

of human beings little signs in their

behavior in their facial expressions in

their tone the words they

use whether someone is a psychopath or

whether someone's lying whether

someone's concealing information what

what did you see in her that gave that

away and and I mean how could what are

the what could we look for the the

horrifying truth is that you can't can't

spot a psychopath until after they've

done something like that so you could

have the 50 best behavior profilers in

the world the top 50 and

99% we would be inaccurate in predicting

who is a psychopath and who's not

they're so hard to spot I teach a course

for women on how to spot narcissists on

a first date and that's a lot easier

where if you ask him about an ex-

relationship everything is someone

else's fault they're always the victim

narcissists will never have friends that

are local they'll never have local

people that are their friends they're

always out of town I've got my friends

are in another city uh so they they have

a hard time maintaining relationship so

you'll see a lot of that and that's like

the number one Trend you'll see very

similar things with Psychopaths and

psychopaths are attracted to large

cities uh in in my analysis uh Dr Robert

ha has done most of the research on

psychopaths in my analysis I think that

cities are not just attracting

Psychopaths I think that cities are

helping to manufacture them in the book

I have coming out I have a chapter in

there called psychopath factories where

I talk about the elements of a city and

how it manufactures

psychopathy there wasn't psychopathy

before or at least not to the ex same

extent and it breeds that it increases

that I think it does let's talk about

one thing that'll that'll make sense

right away you've heard of the bystander

effect

right so for your listeners what this

means is if I'm in a big city like New

York or something like that and I get

hurt and I'm laid on the ground and I'm

wounded and I'm begging for help the

more people that are around me the less

likely I am to get help like people will

take pictures they'll take videos they

all assume that somebody else is going

to call 911 but they'll stand there and

watch so if I took this behavior in

isolation and I told you a story about a

person watching another person get

stabbed and they stand there and watch

they watch an interest you would call

that person a psychopath when you get

into a large city that behavior is

common that is the bystander effect is

the behavior of psychopaths so these us

not relying on

reputation and we're not in a tribe

anymore our brains are not wired to

handle millions of people they're wired

to handle a tribe of about

150 so when we get to a big city we have

no capacity for empathy for that many

people so it gets shut off our brains

say I can't do that and empathy goes

away that's why we're we're in LA right

now um we're driving around we just got

off the freeway we shared a car here

together people are bad drivers because

there's no reputation you're never going

to see those people again I don't have

to rely on reputation that means I don't

care what other people think so more

psychopathy it's it's I think

psychopathy is a spectrum and some

people view it as a diagnosis of you

have to fit this checklist of all these

things to be a psychopath you can get

close right which means that there's a

line there's some kind of a spectrum

there so what is it that you saw in that

case that made it that specifically the

most frightening chilling fascinating

case for you the way that she recounted

it was the same way that if I

described picking up broccoli at at a

grocery store is how she described all

of that and the horror that happened she

burned the house down uh afterwards or

her boyfriend did but she uh made sure

to rescue her dog and she was holding

this dog while her boyfriend did all

this and you could see Zero emotion on

her face and you could see these little

defense mechanisms she's a teen I think

at the time uh these little defense

mechanisms that she'd built throughout

her life of looking innocent at Dr Phil

with these little innocent eyes eyes and

knowing that her looking like an

innocent little girl was a

learned deceptive calculated behavior is

is horrifying to me wow so Psychopaths

you can't spot them because they're so

good at imitating certain behaviors

they're very good at it wow but one of

the one of the best ways to start and

I'm never going to say like here's the

list on how to do that because if anyone

tells you they're like here's the way to

spot a psychopath they're full of it

um but you can start spotting a

psychopath by looking at a person's face

and seeing if they mirror your

Expressions if I'm saying something

exciting and that's cool see how your

eyebrows just went up right yeah that's

called an eyebrow flash reflex I'm not a

psychopath that's a well as far as you

know so if if I'm saying something sad

like my aunt just got foot in the

hospital or something like that and you

see somebody's face kind of fall a

little bit you're seeing a mirrored

emotion other people's

face sometimes Psychopaths don't know

how to react so you'll either see a lack

of affect where their their face has no

reaction to it or you're going to see an

inappropriate response so they'll smile

on accident because they're trying to

fake an expression if I want to tell you

let me put you in the mind of a

psychopath really quick and this is a

story from Dr hair so I want you to

imagine you live in a big city and you

down and you say you know I'm going to

go get some fried chicken and I walk

down and it's two blocks away and you're

walking to the fried chicken place and

you're walking by a car accident and a

mom is bleeding out of her head she's

holding her infant that's dying in her

arms it would it would make anybody cry

you know like it it's horrifying just me

even talking about the simulated

situation is been making me emotional

but you walk by the situ ation and you

stare at it for about a minute or two

minutes you look at the people around

and in your head you're going fried

chicken that's

it then you go pick up your Fried

Chicken you go home and you stare at

your face in the mirror going like

this trying to mimic all the facial

expressions that you just saw from the

crowd that was observing this accident

that's is so freaky yeah that is a movie

scene you just described if anyone if

there's any director out there who want

to make a video about a movie about a

psychopath this is the scene that you

start with that's what you need yeah

wow

so I'm not really afraid of psychopaths

in my life I've never encountered one oh

yeah you have I probably have the what's

the percentage I'm not sure what the

percentage is but but we've all

encountered some met I've never been

affected by them to the point where I

feel like oh I need to learn about it

right

however like anyone listening I have

intimate relationships business

Partnerships people I do business

with people I get close to family

members right what are some of the

things that we can do to spot certain

patterns in them that we should be aware

of or like how can we get a quick read

someone not not for psychopathy right or

anything to realize whether they're

trustworthy whether they're telling the

truth whether they they're authentic the

fastest way to read a human

being number one way is to keep one

question in your head it is what does

this person want me to feel about them

and what do they want me to

notice number one so what do they want

me to notice about them and that's going

to show you the beginnings of

understanding the mask that people wear

because everyone wears some kind of a

mask and I'm not talking about a covid

mask but I'm talking about like a

Persona that I put on to the world and

the way that I teach this to Military

and government is the mask is made up of

the things that this person built to

conceal

shame to conceal and shame is what we

put on when we feel like we're not

enough yeah shame is uh I shouldn't have

done that I'm a bad person for doing

that I need to hide it and not agreeing

with something in our past or something

that we're ashamed of and shame today is

institutionalized it's it's a public

weapon to use shame you could just log

into Twitter and you'll see it in 30

seconds you'll see how shame is being

weaponized so shame creates cognitive

dissonance which is a mental discomfort

mental discomfort says I don't want to

be this uncomfortable in front of people

that creates a mask so we wear these

personas and these masks to cover up

something so if you see

somebody 90% 99% of us have a mask and

this is the population of Earth how thin

it is how thick it is that's what

changes and what the mask is made of so

if I'm seeing somebody Who's acting like

he's posturing all the time he's yelling

he's uh like just puffing his chest out

the mask is usually the opposite of what

it's

concealing so I'm seeing a fearful

little boy that's afraid of being hurt a

Chihuahua yeah I'm seeing a Chihuahua

that's barking and if I bark enough no

one's going to hurt me and that's what

I'm really seeing there that's what a

mask

is and then I guess another factor is

how

open or vulnerable are there are they

with just revealing that they do wear a

mask because I think some people they're

just like yeah I do wear a mask yeah and

this is my mask yeah and if if

somebody's willing to talk about it and

and be open about it and the second

thing that I'm looking for is somebody's

level of self-control every time so what

does their mask look like what do what

do they want me to believe so when I was

uh raising my kids they were seven 8 N9

years old we'd pull up to a stoplight

and there'd be a car in front of us

covered in bumper stickers I would tell

my son or my daughter what do you think

those bumper stickers are trying to say

if they had a

voice and it would be like I did

yosimite and there's a marathon thing

and like I go fishing and like all kinds

of crazy stuff and my daughter uh her

name's Charlotte she would go well I'm

adventurous I said all right keep going

keep going what what does that mean to

other people though uh it means that you

can trust me okay what else it means I'm

fun okay what else it means I'm uh I I'm

a good friend what else I need friends

what does that mean I'm

lonely and like the you see so much

going on and that's just one data point

and I'm not saying that that's what that

means every time mhm but if you start

going down this Rabbit Hole of

understanding human behavior the better

you get at understanding humans the more

that you're going to see loneliness

shame and suffering it's every human

being so the way that I uh deal with

loneliness conceal shame and kind of

anesthetize myself from suffering or

equal human behavior what are some other

common masks that you see you have the

puffing out the chest you have the oh

look I'm so fun yeah I'm friendly and

fun be my friend I don't want to be

alone what else is there there's a lot

uh and there's the let's call it a

porcupine so the porcupine is anybody

that gets close uh needs to be reminded

that this this is too close I don't want

anybody in my intimate space so my my

mask is I need to keep people away it's

different than the Chihuahua because

I'll let people get close I'm not

barking all the time they only get hurt

when they get close to me mhm so that's

another great mask and I I think there's

different ways that we wear our masks

and another mask is the let's call it a

baby or a puppy like I I deal with

Conflict by rolling over and looking

innocent I'm I'm kind of using innocence

as a way to do things and if you want to

understand human behavior I'll give you

the most this is the most perfect

formula that you will ever get as far as

I'm concerned so this is my

opinion here's the most perfect formula

for human behavior that I think will

ever explain a human

being I want to find out how this person

reacts to

conflict and how they make friends and

how they socialize because every human

being is a product of how when they were

eight or nine years old how they earned

friends gained rewards and kept

themselves safe so what did I do at

eight or nine years old to be safe all

of those three well we have a tri we

have something called a childhood

development triangle maybe you could

throw it up on the screen but what did I

do to earn friends earn rewards and

sometimes rewards are recognition if you

grew up in a really bad environment

sometimes the reward was water or food

uh for a kid and then the third is what

did I do to feel safe and those little

behaviors that we memorize at eight or

nine years old without us ever knowing

we carry that into adulthood so I'm

seeing childhood behaviors in every

adult I'm seeing how they deal with

conflict that's what worked at eight or

nine and I just say eight or nine is a

random number but in the in those

formative developmental years hey real

quick we only have a few months left in

2024 and did you achieve everything that

you wanted to this year or do you feel

behind like you left a lot on the table

I put together a strategy for us to

crush the final months that we have so

you can join us for this final goal

Sprint that we're doing in the driven

community and it's a resource that we

use to identify our highest leverage

goal for the end of this quarter break

it down into a strategic plan to make it

achievable and create the necessary

emotional leverage to get to the next

level so if this sounds interesting to

you check out the link below put in your

email and you'll receive the goal Sprint

guide so you can join us on this

adventure it'll be fun I'll see you over

there now back to the episode so there's

who do they want me to think what what

do they want me to think about them

uhhuh and then what was the second thing

again what do they want me to notice

what do they want me to

notice level of self-control level of

self-control what does that mean so I

will look at somebody and and measure

their level of discipline and you need

no training for this so if you and I

were seated at in the middle of an

airport together and I said show me

somebody who has a lot of discipline in

their life life you could see a high

degree of self-control you'd be able to

spot somebody anybody listening right

now uh will be able to spot somebody

with discipline and that's one of the

first things I look at somebody's degree

of self-control and I know that

instantly even if they're a stranger

they'll be more predictable in a good

way like they're more likely to be

trustworthy because they already

discipline themselves they have

self-control so if I know that I'm I'm

getting into a business relationship or

someone something with somebody that has

self control

problems um and you may see this uh some

people might think that that's somebody

being overweight and they might have

some self-control issues um then I'm

just a little more cautious it's not

that I'm not going to do it it's just I

know to be a little cautious about any

indicators of low

self-control so if you're looking for a

business partner somebody who's fit

looks healthy takes care of themselves I

mean it seems obvious right yeah but I

think it's easy to overlook that I guess

it's the same thing with an intimate

partner right yeah and one of the

fastest ways to estimate this for for

ourselves is one of the ways that I ask

my clients on a survey one of the

questions on my client surveys is what

would a stranger rate my diet on a 1 to

10 scale just by looking at me from 10

yards away how would a stranger rate

what I eat every day is it good or bad

and that's a pretty good way to to start

that off and just thinking about it in

my own life or your own life is what

kind of self-control am I projecting to

the world

MH what's your read on on my

mask uh your mask is I need to be

harmless and so you have more of a puppy

mask and that's how you dealt with

Conflict at the age of eight or nine is

I'm going to be more and more innocent

and I'm going to use innocence to solve

this problem I'm going to stay out of

conflict if I can kind of just be nice

and kind let's just everybody become

friends with each other really quick as

fast as

possible yes I think that's very

accurate one of the things we talked

about yesterday as well MH how do I get

out of that because I have a side of me

that's when that comes out you do not

want to get in my way right yeah and I'm

afraid of that pot mhm but it it it

comes out in moments where it's

necessary but my first go-to

is be

kind how would you approach something

like that somebody notices their

mask whatever it might

be I you need to get in touch with

whatever the opposite of that mask

is so for yours it would be becoming

harmful

and I am not a violent person would you

agree like I'm I'm a pretty chill dude

uh but I am better at violence than

probably most people that you know so

I'm excellent at violence that does not

make me uh harmless it makes me Do no

harm so I I think that once you get

familiar and intimately familiar with

whatever the opposite of the mask that

we wear is we get to a point where we no

longer need the mask to cover things

up it's so fascinating because as you're

talking about this I feel like with

certain people MH I am

humble gentle yeah whereas I think

there's a bunch of people and I told you

this before in the previous

episode there's a lot of people who

found me

intimidating and when I'm around them

they're just you can just sense that and

I'm finding myself being gentle on

purpose to make them comfortable yeah so

I guess we can have multiple masks

depending on who we're interacting with

right yeah yeah but I think that that's

the same mask

though okay I need to I need to become

softer so that they can get softer I

soften to solve

problems and that's kind of what that is

like I'm going to I'm going to get

softer and for somebody that wears that

mask on a regular basis they're going to

say well yeah that's how we solve

problems like I'm not going to be a dick

because they see me not wearing this

mask means it's I'm the opposite of this

not a spectrum they view like if I don't

do this it's the opposite I have to be a

dick does that make sense yeah but

there's a way to deal with conflict in a

very direct way and very confident uh

dealing with it and and it's not a dick

you know what I mean so it's it sounds

like if you're a Chihuahua who's boing

lot and you're puffing your chest yeah

you're actually a [ __ ] yeah I was I

was 24 I was a Chihuahua okay and if

you're a puppy who's like oh look how

nice I am then you're actually a

dick just okay yeah yeah I mean that I

think that uh

I I have that side of me where I'm like

very impatient I can be very impatient

with people and I hit the brakes I'm

like it's fine kindness you know but I

have that like

so and I guess embracing that making

peace with that dark

side yeah and that was I mean Carl Jung

spent his whole life talking about this

and like getting familiar with our

shadow

and I think if we do that and we know

ourselves I think that's the biggest

problem for most people is that we don't

fully know ourselves and I think I was

like 26 before I realized who the hell I

was and it took maybe another 10 years

before I started really getting it my

wife knew herself in like Middle School

mhm like 10 times more mature than I am

uh and I think that's a the biggest

problem for most people is that they

don't know who they really are because

and that means that someone else will

will be able to tell

youh and other people will be able to

influence that if I'm not absolutely

certain of what I am then somebody else

can tell me what I am so if like you're

certain that you drive a a Chevy truck

and you come over and say oh that's

that's a Honda Accord that's that's

hilarious to me because I know it and we

know other things in our life better

than we know who we truly are as as a

human being and I mean like The Faults

the insecurities can I be okay with just

knowing that about myself and then just

live and maybe that's just getting out

of the

simulating uh life and just living a

real one yeah and I guess people can

actually see behind our masks very

clearly

some yeah I guess

so because I feel like even when I'm

playing nice people can still feel the

undercurrent of he's doing this

because he's actually impatient yeah and

he's like come on let's go yeah and he's

actually intense yeah and so I'm like

why do people think I'm intense I'm

trying so hard to

but you know and the same thing is with

with a with a guy who's beating his

chest and everyone's like deep down that

guy's really insecure like we all know

it everybody knows it right yeah and so

I want to make this relevant for

everyone listening instead of just

making it

about my everything's got to be about

you that's what you're doing right now I

love it that's true that's part of my

mask again right it's like oh let's put

the fol I love putting the focus on

other people as well yeah that's what I

noticed in conversations as well like if

somebody ask me a question to talk about

myself I take it like this and I bring

it right back to them you did that to me

last night yes like two or three times

yeah yeah I do that all the time

it's I think yeah I think it's

a it's a protective it's a protective

mechanism like I don't want you to look

into me as much I want to figure out

your stuff yeah because then I'm in

control yeah um and I've seen that so

many times in this this program that I

did recently with it's like an emotional

intelligence type of thing and you work

with a bunch of people

um but so it sounds like for people

listening if they can figure out okay

what's my mask is it the puppy is it the

beating the chest yeah is it the

porcupine get away from me don't mess

with me um whichever other ones there

are that I think people can figure it

out we can throw the chart on the screen

if you yeah I'll throw the chart on the

on the

screen I guess the the way to get out of

that is to go the opposite embrace the

opposite which is if you're a porcupine

for example I know I know friends of

mine who are like I don't give a what

anyone thinks yeah and I know deep down

actually really care right and they want

other people to think they want everyone

to think that they don't care yeah what

they think which is like goes back to

question number one is what do they want

me to feel or what do they want me how

do they want me to interpret their

behavior the way they want me to

interpret them is they don't need me

yeah they're independent

and and powerful and strong and don't

need a lot of people in their life yes

and those people I know deep down care

the most and it's the most beautiful

part about themselves yeah

and they really care what other people

think and sometimes I have a specific

friend of mine where that it shows

and yeah I think what what's behind that

is trust issues and it's I actually

really care about what people think I

want you to love me

yeah but I'm trying so hard to be

independent

and so right I guess it is about what is

my Masque what's the opposite of that

what's the emotion that I don't want to

I don't want to feel or that I don't

want to want other people to perceive

about me what would I be embarrassed if

someone revealed at a

party what would embarrass me most and

that's what's under your

mask so and that's the shame that's

fting right so if I was in the middle of

a party and somebody threw something up

on TV that would be what that would be

what it is and I'm I don't want anybody

to think that once you find your mask

that it's some kind of exit

door there's no exit like we're

programmed to do this we're programmed

to wear masks as human beings M that's

one of the four things you talked about

in one of your books the six minute

x-ray M four truths about human beings

and two of them were we all wear a mask

and

we all pretend to not wear one yeah so

it's so true and the the fourth law is

um everyone is a product of childhood

suffering and childhood reward we're

just children yeah what do we need

to be loved be safe yeah be liked and I

I I think up until I was probably

35 and this is embarrassing to say but I

was a pure

unadulterated ego

addict absolutely addicted to my ego how

looked to the point where I I started

deliberately

destroying um the clothing that I

thought was really cool looking and

stuff and I would wear stuff that was

too baggy for a little while and I did

everything I could until I found my

first psychedelic journey and like just

unzipping and stepping out of that that

ego was like whoa none of this matters

all right none of this matters there

goes the monetization of this video

anyway so let's talk about psychedelics

okay let's do

[Music]

it my bank account just

went what if we

uh say this video is sponsored by uh

exactly Yeah by Nature um yeah I

definitely want to get into

psychedelics um because it's I mean it's

a huge part of

of I guess your journey right uh and

what ke part um and I'm fascinated by

it I want to put a pin in that

and close the loop on the whole idea of

what can we look for in other people

when we engage in business in Intimate

Relationships in anything like that what

are the key characteristics you look for

one of the things you mentioned was

self-control mhm that's a good sign what

is another sign that I can trust this

human being they have solid character

like is it like you talk for example you

talk about suggestibility you can tell

whether someone's suggestable or not is

that a good thing agreeableness is that

a good thing is it a bad thing um social

skill like can they handle conflict well

do they know how to kind of deescalate

conflict without a whole lot of problem

MH the one big one that I look for and

if if it's a business partner

is do they are they interested in other

people like do they actually ask

questions or or do they view Life as a

transactional

process and if it's a transactional

person I don't want them anywhere near

me I don't even want them knowing my

address so I will I will if especially

if it's business I I do not want anybody

that's a transactional relationship

person because they will view my

clients as little ATMs not numbers and I

on the screen yeah it's disgusting to me

and I invited my clients to my wedding

and they met my parents and and I was

like I'm challenge you like I talk about

like do I live off camera the same way

that I talk about online this in my

because I think most gurus don't I think

the like and I hate that word but I

think people who train in

self-development and confidence let's do

this morning routine I don't think they

do that and I think think that's one of

the biggest problems is that if you're

out there saying you need you need to

wake up at 4:00 a.m. and you're not

doing it uh that shows so our we're not

all body language experts and but the

lower part of our brain is a body

language expert it's reading behavior

all day every single day and it's very

good at it the problem is that the lower

part of your brain cannot speak English

it has no language comprehension

whatsoever so it can't tell you what's

going on it speaks feelings though so it

gives that little feeling in your

stomach like something's not right

something doesn't add up here so one of

the first things I teach to all the

clients that are going through my like a

VIP thing that I've got going on it's

called graduate school is you are in the

business of manufacturing gut feelings

in other human beings you're making gut

feelings in other people all day every

day on accident and now it's time to

learn how to do this on purpose and you

go into the bathroom and you try to

imitate

yeah that's going to stick in your head

for a while oh God that's a chilling

image horrifying yeah yeah um how do you

know whether someone's transactional

what are the telltale

signs how do they respond uh after an

evening out like do they send a text the

next day and say hey thanks for that

or are you seeing just like data like

are they only want to know data like

what time are we meeting next or what

time is this going to happen and you get

into a conversation with them and they

let's say you get into a 1 hour talk

with them on Zoom or something and the

entire talk is business numbers

strategies not uh where you from do you

have kids you know how is everybody is

everybody doing okay there like are they

connecting with a human or are they

connecting for some kind of Bank

transaction mhm and it's pretty obvious

to see pretty quickly if somebody's a

real human or not a real human yeah and

I want only those kind of people in in

my company like if anyone talks to my

sales people my sales staff nicest human

beings in the world and they care about

people they they follow up with you for

years afterwards asking about your kids

and this is not some sop that I wrote

that's just the type of people that I

hired you know because they're good

human beings yeah I could see a lot of

people sending the follow-up text the

next day now because say like oh I

learned this somewhere to not be

transactional um so that's for business

partner yeah what about a a close friend

or an intimate partner what are some of

the things that you the traits that you

would look for that give the chase stamp

approval or at least at least a good

indicator green flags if I'm looking for

a partner I am married by the way but if

I am looking for a partner

number one thing above everything else

is the degree of artificiality that that

person is comfortable with so if I see

someone and they're getting their

dopamine from likes on Instagram I will

never compete with that even if we're in

a relationship that that addiction is

still going to be there and they're

living this kind of artificial life on

Instagram they're and they make YouTube

videos and their personality is fake

their background is fake they they clean

up just the little area of their house

where where like the video is going to

be MH uh and everything on Instagram is

curated and perfect I know that that

person is extremely comfortable with

artificiality they're they're living in

a simulation literally MH they're

simulating it I guess they just wear a

thick mask yeah and not just online but

probably shows up in real life as well

big time yeah and how can you tell

whether someone took their mask off is

it just a feeling is it just how do you

know they wear a mask uh when somebody

is comfortable talking about like oh man

I was really embarrassed by that instead

of hiding it or you know wow that was an

uncomfortable silence I I felt a little

anxiety when we had that just openly

talking about things that most people

would normally hide you mentioned

yesterday two questions you would ask

someone what were they number one on a

scale from 1 to

10 how authentic would you rate yourself

yeah to be and the least authentic

people are going to say nine or

10 yes what if they say three or four

yeah if they say three or four and you

say well why would you rate yourself out

three or four and they're like well I

mean when I'm when I'm really anxious in

public I'll put a suit jacket on and

make myself feel more important or I'll

I'll get really nervous if I'm on camera

and and somebody's filming me I don't

take pictures very well little

self-conscious that's an authentic

person mhm cuz an authentic person never

feels really authentic because they are

open about all the ways that they are

inauthentic which means their comfort

level with inauthenticity is low

yes they're aware of the mask and

they're willing to talk about it yeah

and so anyone who says 10 I I don't wear

a mask yeah either they they're so

unself-aware that they actually believe

they don't wear a mask or they're the

dolly llama or they did Dalai Lama or

they know they're wearing a mask but

they're so inauthentic that they're not

even willing to admit it yeah right like

there's a part of them that knows like

oh yeah and they just let me fast

forward this video yes second question

you asked someone this was specifically

for meeting women yeah you remember the

second question yeah I want you to say

it though because I might I'll never say

anything on a podcast I wouldn't want my

mom to hear

okay so Chase it and say this this is

just what I suggested as a second

question would would be if you're

meeting a a woman as a man you ask her

do you

fought this is and again this is not the

opening line This is as a joke oh that's

why that didn't work in the middle of

the conversation yeah I'm sorry

instructions unclear yeah so just that

question

alone uh if it's presented in a fun way

and you're a confident person and you're

and you ask it kind of in a joking way

the response to that question is going

to be so profoundly revealing of how

authentic that person is and how fun

they are you you'll get an instant

measurement of like the fun level and

the authenticity at the exact same time

yeah what would be a question for women

to ask

men uh that reveals authentic that does

the same thing yeah it's like a funny

question because obviously men are

disgusting and of course they've well

women are more likely to dig dig right

and ask about someone's family and

things like that mhm so for women the

number one question that a woman can ask

a guy is what's the biggest thing you

learned about

yourself through through like the last

few relationships you

had and you'll hear a lot of people say

well I learned not to trust people

because this girl was a [ __ ] or you

know she some girl cheated on me and I

learned that I should never do X Y and Z

because of this and it's always even all

the stuff they learned about them

themselves is somebody else's fault mhm

the second thing that they're going to

do is what I learned about myself is

that I am strong enough and I deserve

more and like then they'll start

inflating themselves so the authentic

person will say whoa I had this

relationship I realized that I was not

strong enough to do X or I had

insecurities around this that question

alone what is the biggest thing you

learned about yourself if someone has a

mask on that's the perfect opportunity

for me to show you how powerful my mask

is MHM it's also the perfect opportunity

for an authentic person to to Really

genuinely give you an answer yeah great

I love that to stay on the topic of

influence reading people yeah what are

some of the things you use day-to-day

to get an outcome that you want to get

someone to reveal information like what

are some of the things that people could

use right away if they wanted to leave

with something that they yeah just want

to use

right now here's a tactic that uh all

intelligence operatives learn and it's

called

elicitation I just burped really big you

can leave it in yes I will um

elicitation was invented by this guy

named John Nolan or invented discovered

uh written about whatever uh and his

book uh business secrets and you can't

find it anymore unless you get a used

copy on eBay but you use statements

instead of questions to get the most

powerful information from other people

when a person's being asked a question

it raises a a little door in the brain

that says I need to be careful about the

answer if you're responding to a

statement your brain does not have that

little security guard that comes

out and so as a light example let's just

imagine you and me took an Uber to get

here and let's imagine you and me get

we're going to take an Uber back after

this we get into that Uber and I say you

I just read online that Uber drivers

were rated the number one job

satisfaction of all the jobs in the

country and I just said a statement

right and he's going to turn turn around

and go

what where where did you see this so

that starts a

conversation and then he says no it's

really bad you know I do this this and

they take the money and this and this

and then then I do disbelief this is

another technique disbelief says no way

there's no way that company would treat

you like that he goes oh yeah you will

never guess what happened just a couple

weeks ago and then he just kind of goes

into this deep story that he would never

tell another client what who does he

tell these stories to friends I've made

his brain start behaving in friend mode

and I haven't even asked any questions

yet and then let's say he goes into a

story and then I say you know my

neighbor's daughter uh started driving

for Uber and she said she saw the

wildest things happen in her back seat

and then you're going to hear a story

again and I have not asked any questions

and the way that I teach this is if you

and I are standing at the grocery store

and there's a a young lady over there

stalking fruits and I said all right

Leon you've got 60 seconds to go up to

this person and find out how much they

make for a living and you're not allowed

to ask any questions

it's it's tough to think about that so

if if I went over to her and I said hey

I'm trying to find the baby carrots or

whatever and she starts walking me over

somewhere haven't asked a question yet

that was a

statement and then I say I just read on

LinkedIn that you guys got bumped up to

$22 an hour that's

unbelievable that's great

congratulations to everybody here that's

amazing and she goes what we only make

,750 everybody does I've got the I've

got that and there was no willingness

there was no uh stress around this is

financial information I can't talk about

sex can't talk about money because we're

in America so there I avoided that

social barrier because there was no

question being asked so the a different

way to do this is called quotes facts

and

figures and you deliberately say I saw a

YouTube video read an article did

something that said X Y and Z and it

triggers a need in the human brain

that's almost irresistible and it's

called the need to correct the record I

need to set the record straight which is

what I was talking about in The Uber

that's fascinating and the next way we

do this is just making what's called a

provocative statement so let's say I

asked you what you do for a living and

you say well I make YouTube videos and

uh I'm now I'm starting this new podcast

thing and it's been uh interesting it's

been a good career change and I say wow

YouTube that has got to be

challenging yeah and then you and then

it it starts coming out it's like people

can't resist and then let's say you said

well yeah it's challenging we did this

this and monetizing and YouTube language

and whatever else I said I cannot

imagine what that is like that's got to

be really stressful it's it's got

probably keeps you up at night and then

just yeah I mean when I'm editing videos

and then I'll just let's say you just

talked about editing a video and I said

editing

videos and then you would keep

talking I would probably push the

question back on you what do you do yeah

yeah well you did yeah what were what

were the instances where I did that

actually last night do you remember the

questions did are you thinking we had

this conversation oh where redirected it

I've redirected it back to you I think

we were talking about psychedelics and

you were and I was asking you like about

your journey and you said what was your

journey like what was it like for

you why do you think I do that I think

uh number one you're a great listener

you like learning about people number

two uh it makes sure in your brain that

the other person becomes vulnerable

first okay which I was okay with yeah

interesting the the the techniques you

just shared

about getting someone to reveal

information they normally wouldn't yeah

I think the reason why the getting the

record straight is so powerful because

when you bring up a stat a figure

something I noticed that too in in

YouTube videos when I talk about

something there's always someone who's

like no that study is not real that's

it's not right I think it it just giving

someone the opportunity to prove a study

or a statistic wrong with their own

Insider information is such a dunk

opportunity feels so good for those

people it's so irresistible yeah um and

then the provocative statement how what

exactly is the provocative statement

it's it's something that like how do I

make sure that is that it is a

provocative statement it's any statement

that elicits a response from the other

person is a provocative statement so

technically me doing quotes facts and

figures saying I saw this video or

whatever is still a provocative

statement but most short easy

provocative statements start with the

word so

like so you've been doing this for a

year and you're you've probably become

an expert by now or I bet so or I bet so

I bet that's got to be really

challenging I can't imagine that's good

so or I bet okay so we got a way to

elicit information from people y that

they normally wouldn't what are some

other things that you use on a

day-to-day basis that people could use

as well

to see if they can trust someone to test

someone's

honesty anything really or even just to

read someone yeah I think uh in everyday

conversations if you're if you're

looking at a person the number one thing

that you can look for is how often

they're

blinking and this sounds really Behavior

nerdy but our blink rate how often our

eyes blink is the number one indicator

of stress and we are unaware so like if

you're watching this video right now

you've been watching us for 38 minutes

or however long it is without being

aware of how often you're blinking and

it's unconscious which means that it's

reliable because you're not paying

attention to it so stress makes our

blink rate go way up so our average

blink rate every day in conversation is

about 15 to 18 per minute and in high

stress scenarios like when I was taking

like the math part of my SATs or taking

an exam that I was unsure

about my blink rate was probably 80s or

90s it's that high and when you're

watching a movie that you really love so

when we have an increased level of focus

focus lowers blink rate stress increases

it Focus can bring it down like if I'm

watching a movie like Interstellar uh my

blink rate was probably

three not joking don't notice yeah so

your eyes stay open longer because we're

focused on something so if I'm in a

conversation with a person

and the moment they start talking about

finances or taxes or uh a criminal

record or you know any kind of topic and

I see that blink rate start going up you

don't have to count I mean it's very

obvious if someone's blinking I start a

conversation are they blinking regular

fast or slow that's it all I'm looking

for from that point on is a change a

change in that person's blink rate and

what what were they talking about when I

saw those eyes start blinking faster and

were they talking about uh their ex were

they talking about um something that

they saw on TV that stressed them out

and I know this topic is stressful even

though they're pretending like it's not

that is one of the most reliable

indicators of stress in the moment can

we talk about the conversation we

witnessed

yesterday what happened yesterday with

FaceTime yes let's not say any names

okay we won't say any names I was I was

going to do that too okay so

there's a friend of yours that we spent

some time with yesterday

yeah and he called up a girl that he's

been seeing yeah and you told him hey do

this and then let's see what happens

yeah and he basically tried to figure

out if this girl has been with someone

the previous day because she went out

with some friends or if she was being

deceptive yes she was concealing

something yeah and it was fascinating to

witness because we were all sitting he's

timing her and you're like you pull up

close to this screen and you're like

she's hiding something she's hiding

something yeah she's not telling the

truth instantly instantly

and it was so incredible to witness and

so exciting I wish I would have filmed

the whole thing but of course there was

you know privacy needed yeah but what

are the things that you saw in that girl

and what what went down where you're

like okay something's up here so Leon's

not saying the word woman because she is

young enough to use the word uh girl ah

yeah yeah I know some people find it

offensive

woman whatever he asked her did anything

happen last night over FaceTime so my

face is like this far from the iPad off

camera though like I'm not in in the

scene imagine this like you're just

sitting right next hovering over the the

lens who's this guy so he he asked her

this question and right away there was

an increase in blink rate there was uh

pupil

dilation and there was Scara exposure

the white of the eye got exposed above

up here meaning the eyes widened the

eyes widened like this it's probably a

sign of danger something bad is

happening I need to really pay attention

right now and not say anything wrong yep

be careful the the pupil dilation is the

black of the eyes gets wider yes the

black part of the center of the eye

widens and you could tell that even

through a FaceTime on a FaceTime

yeah wow next the lips Drew horizontally

backwards and this is a fear response

you can see it in a all of these facial

expressions you can see in a

three-month-old baby or a newborn

they're still there like if you have a

newborn baby and like you let it think

that the baby's falling like you lower

it really quickly you'll see that

movement so the next movement is this

little

muscle jumps out in front of the kateed

artery to protect your arteries it's a

external Cleo mastoid muscle and we saw

all of that so we saw increased blink

rate a pupil dilation scleral exposure

with the eyes widening mouth going back

towards the face and the sternal Cleo

mastoid muscles and vocal hesitation she

paused more than every other question

that he asked her and we saw a lack of

pronouns and a sudden lack of pronouns

is a very good indicator and I mean

sudden if if the person never uses

pronouns then it's it's worth mhm so

what did she say do you remember so the

first couple of questions she says I did

this and then we went to do this and

then we went to a restaurant and then I

did this and both of us did this and

then he said what happened last night

and or what happened after that and she

goes well went

home watched a movie went to bed instead

of we went I went there's no we there's

no I all the pronouns disappear and

that's a that's a very reliable

deception indicator and all those

indicators that just talked about that

Giant mountain happened in less than 4

seconds so we saw this interaction mhm

him talking to her he was I think he was

surprised he was oh no okay makes sense

and you were like she's concealing

something yeah like I saw 10 signs yeah

and that happened in 4 seconds that

immediately boom there's a stress

response yeah because she's concealing

information her entire nervous system

responds

differently and you see a cluster of

behaviors one of them

could be something else right like maybe

the eyes are dry whatever but combined

it creates more reliability there's

something being con because now I'm

seeing a mountain so the the way to read

human behavior is change first can you

detect changes and screw all the other

books about body language are can you

get good at spotting changes in how a

person acts next is

clusters so I'm spotting a change right

is it just one change or is it a cluster

so now we get into clusters then we get

into context like she crossed her arms

and never uncrossed her arms well is it

50° in the room so that's context right

so there's context that changes it and

then you're still dealing in likelihood

so then he hangs up the phone for just

he's like oh I got to talk to my mom

hangs up the phone and then I give him a

twom minute maybe a 75 second long

course in interrogation I say you say

this this this and this

and he did that and the truth came out

there was something being concealed for

sure and you were there watching yeah so

what yeah what would you do if you

wanted someone to reveal information

once you see they're concealing

something what is something that could

be done to get behind it because it

could mean anything it could be okay she

cheated it could be that there something

else she's not wanting to reveal which

was the case which was the case she did

not yeah

sheet um but there was something that

she concealed and so how could how could

you once you know somebody's likely

concealing likely

concealing like it's one way to know but

it's another way to actually get the

information out like what is it yeah

this is where elicitation those

techniques of using statements is not

enough so at this point in in

interrogation uh that what we call this

confrontation so now it's time to

actually have a confrontation and it

doesn't have to you don't have to be an

[ __ ] but you need to say something

that says you know something's not

something's not was off about that and

in the interrogation room I might say

something like uh Leon I know you're a

good person I've been doing this a long

time and if there's one thing I know for

sure it's when I'm not getting the full

story mhm and you can feel the stress

right I can see the stress in your face

just from doing this

and it's very kind but it produces some

stress I've been doing this a long time

or if I'm just talking to a person I

know I'd say Leon I like you as a person

I've known you a long time and if

there's one thing I know it's when I'm

not really getting the full story

here it doesn't accuse them yep it

creates a safe space safe space and then

we move into something called a mon

monologue and this is where we have four

goals socialize rationalize minimize and

project socialize people are going to

understand minimize not a big deal

rationalize anybody would have done that

it makes perfect sense and then project

it's not your fault so this is just

creating a Bedrock Foundation of

whatever you're sharing with me it's

safe yeah and there there's not going to

be consequences in The Art of War sunzu

has a quote that I think is so perfect

to describe this and it's build your

opponent a golden bridge upon which they

can

Retreat and that's what that is so

socialize minimize rationalize project

those in in real language let's say I'm

really trying to get a confession out of

a person let's say it's a person

who um stole a bunch of money from a

business or a bank I was going to do

like a predator type person but I don't

think the transcript of this video would

probably get it blocked or something or

depop poiz or whatever it's called yeah

so let's do the money

guide so we want to

socialize right the first and I would

say

John this makes sense and I think once

people understand the kind of person you

are and the reason that you did this I

think everybody who understands this is

going to fully agree and understand why

you did this minimize

and we're not talking about a million

dollars I deal with those people all the

time I talk to bad people every day of

my life and I know you're not one of

those people this is a small tiny amount

of money it's not a big deal what what

happened was not a big deal and people

get over this people get through this

it's not it's not huge I feel the golden

bridge being built I can slowly take my

first few steps yeah what's the next

step rationalize rationalize and John I

know that your aunt has had piling up

medical bills she's been suffering she

going through chemotherapy and all that

stuff anybody in their right mind this

makes perfect sense why you could do

this and now we move into project and

this company doesn't pay you [ __ ] they

don't pay any of their employees

anything and your your medical bills are

piling up as well because you don't have

good medical insurance I think anybody

in your situation especially with the

way this company treats you and they

don't check for any security they don't

if they wanted to keep that money secure

they would have locked it up they don't

anybody would have done this in your

situation and it makes perfect sense so

what I'd like to put in my report here

is that you did this for good reasons so

what I want to know is did you take that

10,000 to go spend on cocaine and heroin

or were you trying to help

someone well I didn't do it right

hopefully so here's the thing right if

if somebody's

innocent they would still be like yeah

well that's all good for that person but

I didn't do it yeah and so that's

probably the first response that you get

from someone who's innocent it's like

well you don't need to give me this

monologue I yeah you get anger yeah it's

like innocent people get angry guilty

people try to build rapport yes they

they they take the first step on the

golden bridge and they're like is this

safe is this is this yeah let me make

you into a friend uh I need to make you

a friend and innocent people don't care

how you view them there's they're saying

this is insane I do not belong here and

there's a few questions before we get to

that part of an interrogation there's a

couple of questions that we use to get a

good read on whether or not I'm dealing

with the right person and the first one

is called a um bait question or or you

can call it a mind

virus uh so let's say you're

OJ all right and you were OJ Simpson you

were at what you did whatever last night

you come into the interrogation room and

I say hey OJ I appreciate you coming in

um we've got officers out there

canvasing the streets and we've got tons

of people doing lots of

research I just want and I like you a

lot as a as a person and I just want to

say I want you to think carefully before

you answer

this is there any

reason somebody would have said that

they saw you at Nicole's last

night if you were there you're freaking

out and I didn't say I have a video I

didn't I'm not lying and saying that I

have any of this evidence but I am

saying is there any reason that this

would have happened and or that you

would know because you may have inside

information right right and I I did this

recently with a massage therapist who

was accused

of sexually touching people while giving

them massages and doing weird

stuff and we lined him up to this and I

finally went in and

said is there any reason

that a video would surface now that

maybe a cell phone or something like

that that shows some of the stuff

happening and it was instantly you could

see sweat this is on the Dr Phil show

live on

TV wow and it you could see sweat and we

we didn't want to get to full confession

mode there so it was working the next

question to figure out whether I need to

do the confrontation in golden bridge is

now let's put you back in the mindset of

a perpetrator again or somebody who did

something oh OJ and OJ I'm curious like

what do you think should happen to the

person that did

this what do you think should happen to

the person that did this and that helps

me to kind of differentiate innocent and

guilty people especially if a child was

harmed uh and you'll hear this a lot in

people who hurt kids I'll just say that

so that's people know what I'm talking

about and I'll say what do you think

should happen to the person that that

did this and they'll say oh uh

definitely an apology to the family

definitely an apology to the family but

this this person probably needs some

kind of help or counseling something

like that they need some kind of help

but they should definitely apologize

this is not not okay and they they

really need to to see some therapy and

fix

themselves who would say that who would

say this in the world about a person who

hurt children somebody who's guilty

right and wants to

minimize what they did and wants to get

off the leash as much as possible yeah

wow

fascinating and the reason why it's so

powerful the question of is there any

reason to believe that I may have heard

something it it gives them the the

chance to at least be honest and be like

yes I did it or yes I'm I wasn't fully

honest with you because if you find out

later that they lied it's much more

severe than okay they admitted it and

those are the worst people to do

interrogations on because you've got to

say things like she was old enough to

know what she was doing her mom didn't

raise her right I'm I'm willing to bet

this was her idea she probably talked

you into doing this you projected on the

victim yeah and you have to yeah kind of

put yourself in that mindset just it's

I'm getting nauseous thinking about it

but yeah that's the way to get those

people to

confess to get anybody to confess to

anything it's it's a pretty similar

formula for

everything and the powerful thing about

the Mind

virus

is it creates a lot of stress in them

when you ask them is there any reason

that I would have a video or heard

something

that right would prove this yeah it

creates a ton of stress in them if

they're guilty or they're concealing

something and zero stress for innocent

people the innocent they're like go

ahead yeah personally I would probably

be worried that there's some sort of AI

generated video or something and I'm

that's actually one of my fears is being

wrongfully accused of something yeah and

then going to jail for that that would

be that's awful so I guess it could

still create

stress but not it's a different kind

it's a different kind flavor yeah I just

finished building an entire protocol for

Chris

Hansen the guy who catches Predators on

TVH uh so Chris and I uh are are friends

now and I built this like nine-page

protocol of these perfect scripted on

liners that will make these guys start

to confess on camera so the upcoming

episodes I'm so excited about wow you

can see that's my line yeah he did it

nice so those are things that people can

use one of the things you mentioned

yesterday casually is you're talking

with your friend about oh yeah you like

you randomly mentioned my name and you

said something like oh yeah Leon's

pretty open-minded you can see it by his

his eyes they're pretty eyelids lower

eyelids and I was like what do you mean

oh you have lower eyelids

which is a sign that I'm less likely to

make this facial expression where you

you pull your eyelids in skepticism

skepticism

and both of us have the same lower

eyelids let's both look into our

individual cameras we can maybe do a

side by side here I'm giving you editing

work of your own podcast great okay so

over time our facial expressions etch

onto the face usually by the time we're

like 16 17 it's not like old people

wrinkles so like if someone's seeking

social approval their whole life this is

how we seek approval from other people

that's why I have the lines on my

forehead yeah because I'm being a social

person you see a psychopath blank

forehead beautiful wrinkle-free yes it

looks like botox in a psychopath you see

a person that spent their whole life

super happy and in full enjoyment you're

going to see these crows feet here from

smiling all the time on the side of the

eyes yeah you see somebody who's been

depressed or angry you're going to see

this muscle right here forms these two

wrinkles this called the glabella it

forms these two wrinkles so you'll see

lifetimes of behavioral patterns etched

onto the face I call this facial

etching and when somebody's depressed

you see it on the face but skepticism

makes us squeeze the lower eyelid up

this and you can see this in anybody I

have no idea whether it's proven science

or not my Sciences I've done research on

this for 30,000 hours in in real life on

facial expressions but skepticism

squeezes this lower eyelid up here so

somebody the less skeptical someone has

spent their lifetime

this is my theory uh so grain of salt

the more suggestible that person is and

I thinkful people are

happier okay your theory is

that people with lower eyelids are more

suggestible but the idea that people who

are skeptical for most of their life

have different low eyelids that's that's

not your theory that's

widely accepted amongst people or well

the the facial expression of skepticism

is widely agreed upon okay that that

expression's etch onto the face is

agreed upon so what are some of the

signs that people can see in the people

in their lives when they look at them

the lower eyelids is one thing the crows

feed you mentioned

happiness consistent seeking of social

approval I could see somebody 30 yards

away and see if they're even 30 years

old 20 years old those lines on the

forehead and know that that person will

be very easy to start a conversation

with because all I've got to do is go oh

hey how are you and the eyebrow flash is

repeated by humans 90% of the time

without the other person knowing just

walking by a total stranger saying oh

hey good morning their eyebrows will

instinctively go up especially if

they're a social person uh then if if we

see anything in the center here this

globella is a person with anger

depression because that's the facial

expression of anger squeezes those two

muscles together and if you ever see a

horseshoe muscle like right

here uh it's very hard to fake I try to

do it all the time but if you just type

in grief muscle into Google Images

you'll have something to slap on the

screen right now that's a grief muscle

what you're looking at right now I'm

intentionally going to do it a few

seconds after you said right now

perfect I can't wait okay

so that's it and you can determine

suggestibility by the lower eyelid and

I've tested this with three hypnotists

who have tested it out on over 15,000

hypnotic subjects and it is a 100%

according to these three guys a

100% correct so those are the most

easily hypnotized people in a crowd

because they do like comedy hypnosis in

a bar where they like bring people up on

stage like oh you're smelling a fart and

it smells real bad like that kind of

stuff um so that they've told come back

and said that is the most accurate

predictor of suggestibility I've ever

seen the the smoothness of the lower

eyelid yeah wow hey real quick just

wanted to tell you about a resource that

I put together for you about the 10

journaling exercises that made a huge

difference in my life when selling my

first company when I felt stuck or when

I just needed to think outside the box

to overcome some challenges in my life

These are based on thinking patterns

from billionaires historical figures

like Einstein uh

SpongeBob not SpongeBob but if you're

interested then check the link below put

in your email and you'll receive the 10

journaling prompts straight into your

inbox now back to the episode so there

is a there's a young lady in here

running our podcast behind a big screen

there also smooth lower

eyelids suggestible I'm I'm very

suggestible so I'm not like vaccinated

because I learned all this stuff where I

I can't get manipulated or anything I'm

I'm just as susceptible as anybody else

mhm but it is a great indicator and I

used it in my fictional book called

phrase s which will be a a TV series

soon um this bad guy uses the lower

eyelids to determine who's going to be

the easiest to make into a killer using

hypnosis

wow I bet that not only in the face can

we tell what emotions people people

consistently feel but also the posture

because it's part of the whole nervous

system right if you have someone with I

mean it's obvious if you have someone

who's hunched over they're protecting

their heart if you have someone

who tucks in their tailbone or something

I think all these are indicators right

one one of the biggest ways to see this

is if you see constant behavior of Limbs

protecting

arteries so the the upper bone of the

arm this is called the humoris squeezes

in toward the Torso on a regular basis

to protect the brachial artery the

person's shoulders are raised up a

little bit to protect the cored artery a

little bit more these ones yep on the

neck yep so if someone was like that

they would be really comfortable yeah

and you think that's how primates will

show each other that they I'm not you're

not a threat to me and I'm challenging

you humans do it too when you do that

you say oh what's up I'm opening all

these arteries at the same time I'm I'm

not threatened at all so that's when you

see barf fights start to happen is like

this artery exposure behavior and you

see it in baboons uh bonobo chimps human

beings exactly the same why are

suggestible people happier what do you

think is it

because they just have less masks and

they're less on

defense yeah I think they they spend

their life in they're more present

instead of being like screening every

piece of information that's coming in

they're not Vigilant they're not on God

yeah yeah I guess they're vulnerable and

able to yeah able to just experience

life's ups and downs yeah and I think

the vulnerability

is the

pathway the pathway to a better life no

matter what mask you wear if you can

force yourself to be more vulnerable

people like it and there's some disgust

belief in our culture that if I'm on

social media I've got to pretend to be

perfect that's the only way I'm going to

be liked is to pretend to be perfect and

we were doing this yesterday the friend

that we were talking about my friend

going through Instagram and he's showing

me he's asking me to profile women for

him and going through all these accounts

I'm like no this woman is a complete

simulation this woman is absolutely fake

everything personality everything is

fake and

it's if you ever watch the Amber herd

Johnny Depp trial that is the difference

between someone who's open to being

wounded Johnny Depp just open open to

everything he's very

vulnerable openly talks about the drugs

and all that stuff and on the flip side

the person that takes a [ __ ] on the bed

yeah and and pretends to be perfect at

the same time and Flawless you can't do

both at the same time take a [ __ ] on

someone's bed allegedly allegedly oh

that was not confirmed yeah it was never

fully

confirmed so we need to make sure you

say

that

okay yeah wow

fascinating vulnerability mhm maybe it

could segue

into

psychedelics and also your journey with

your brain disease yeah so I forgot to

mention this last time in the

episode you have a neuroscience degree

from Harvard as well certification

certification

yeah why did you get into that what did

you learn what's your brain disease like

just catch people up to speed to that I

found out I had a brain

disease after becoming a

neuroscientist

so I had been having seizures for three

years and these are called temporal lobe

seizures so you're not like jiggling in

all on the ground and shaking around and

stuff like a tonic clonic seizure but

these are absence seizures where like I

leave planet Earth like drool comes out

of my mouth and in six the seizures are

about 60 seconds to 90 seconds and

inside of one of those seizures it's

like three

years of memories that that brand new

memories that don't exist that my brain

has to now is trying to file in with

real life three years and that's one

seizure and at at the peak of this I had

nine seizures a day nine of those a day

to the point where I didn't know who my

wife was I looked her right in the eyes

and and thought if I just pretend like I

know who she is long enough uh we're

going to be okay like it's going to come

back to me I thought my dog was

fake like it it broke me out of reality

completely what do you mean it was fake

like I thought

that I was I thought that my dog was not

my dog and somebody like put a different

dog that looks like my dog in my house

ah the dog is an impostor yeah it's the

dog is a spy yeah and there's so much

Deja Vu that happens with a temporal

lobe seizure uh to where everything is

like a memory I'm like I'm looking

around all these tripods right so my

brain would start seeing every detail in

the room the reflection off of the T on

that Amazon box right there every single

detail is coming back from like hundreds

of memories as if I'd remembered all of

this and it's so much Deja Vu that your

brain automatically goes the only way

this is real is if someone's setting me

up someone set this

up and right at that moment when you

realize like you're thinking like

somebody set this up bam the seizure

starts oh and then you're just launched

into

this nightmare that's like three years

long that lasts 60 seconds it's the

ultimate Time Warp uh and I'm losing

about a million neurons a second during

those seizures that's what it feels like

that's a

fact so it it was bad and my hippocampus

was kind of just eating

itself and

this my family so here's the second part

the seizures come with

amnesia side effect of Amnesia so I had

been having seizures for 3 years my

family knows that I studied Neuroscience

they know that I've well versed in how

the brain works so they said oh if Chase

is going through anything he would know

he would go to a doctor and I remembered

nothing about the seizures didn't

remember having them my brain would

delete

so finally I'm filming an episode of the

behavior panel I'll send you this video

I had a seizure while we were filming

our YouTube show I'll send you the video

of the

seizure and I got it on camera and I

watched my face and I thought that's a I

have temporal Lo epilepsy so you didn't

know you were having these seizures yeah

so you couldn't even solve it because

you didn't know the problem existed

because Amnesia oh my God despite having

the degree despite everybody else said

oh Chase would know if he needs to go to

neurologist so finally I see it on

camera and I said I have temporal of

epilepsy I need to go to the emergency

room and uh I I need to go to the ER

because I wanted a a prescription to

stop my neurons from dying right so I

wanted a drug called toymate or Topamax

and I asked the doctor in the ER for

Topamax got the prescription seizure

stopped then I started looking at the

side effects of all of these drugs

number one side

effect

seizures most common side effect

and I said the this is so dumb there has

to be something that that's going to

stop my

seizures that's not going to kill me at

the same time why do why does medication

like that exist like anti-depressant

side effect Suicidal Thoughts yeah I

think in Western medicine medication is

not designed to cure it's designed to

treat a individual symptom and doctors

get training on treating symptoms

instead of people I'm going to just take

this like this chemical is too high I'm

going to give you a pill that's going to

make that chemical too low but then it

make might make this other chemical too

high so you're going to see this other

Doctor Who's a specialist in that

chemical he's going to give you another

pill to push that chemical down where

it's supposed to be and that one doctor

has an affiliate link for the other

doctor yeah it's and none of the doctors

are have any

malice it's just the way our the system

works right now and it works okay but we

need to start seeing you humans instead

of symptoms uh so I discovered this

miracle that saved my entire life and

now I drive a car I have zero seizures

uh my brain my most recent brain scan

says that everything is reversed the

damage has been reversed because of what

I found and it was a

miracle what is I'm just going to leave

you hanging on what is it all right this

is the show thank you for like And

what did you find I mean I

know um I mean you've been talking to me

about it uh and it seems too good to be

true big time which what I thought for a

long time yeah I thought I'm trained I'm

trained in medical Neuroscience I'm

trained in all this stuff I would

totally know if if this was the thing I

would know about it yeah my ego was so

huge and I was browsing Instagram shorts

what this

I'm not I'm not an expert

here but you you're not just some dude

who found something like there's there's

papers on it there's studies on it I've

published medical papers on AC published

medical papers on it yes so before we

get into any of that let's establish

that and then yeah and I'm let's let's

just say I'm not an expert either but I

have published academic papers on this

um so I'm scrolling YouTube shorts or

Instagram one

day and all of my feed is recommending

brain stuff because that's I'm obsessed

I'm absolutely obsessed and at this

point I'm finishing up uh my training in

neuro Radiology like reading brain scans

and stuff like that at Duke

University so I'm obsessing over the

brain because I'm studying it I'm

obsessing over the brain because I'm

desperate to fix my own brain at the

same time and I scroll up and this guy

sounds like a Huntington Beach beach bum

like a surfer dude uh and he's talking

about this chemical he says it's a

miracle

cure and ego came up again and I said

well he doesn't sound doesn't sound like

my professor so I swiped up but right

when I swiped

up my brain processed what he was saying

he was talking about this magical

chemical in our bodies called cytochrome

C oxidase and monoamine oxidase and I

heard and I was processing these and I

tried to swipe back down to find him to

listen to what he said and I hit the

home button on

accident so you know like when you're in

the middle of a scroll you can't go back

oh wow that's fascinating that that it

was that Split Second and you could have

missed it yeah what happened you looked

it up so it took two or three days cuz I

typed in Surfer Dude doc

cytochrome oxidase I tried everything I

could think of to try to find him so his

name is Dr John laurance he is a

functional neurologist he's a doctor he

has a practice in Sarasota Florida but

he was talking about this chemical

called methylene

blue and he said it's a industrial blue

dye and I'm like okay yeah sounds legit

yeah what what is that going to

do and

at the time I thought a doctor would

know a neurologist would have told me

this would be famous everybody would

know about it if it was pop if it was

effective it would have been on my

uncle's podcast guaranteed in my head

yeah it would have been on your uncle's

podcast Uncle

hubman so I who's a real neuroscientist

by the way I consider myself a lowercase

n neuroscientist he's an uppercase guy

yeah so I I hear about this chemical

and it's the most effective thing I've

ever taken in my life for my skin my

eyes my lungs my heart my brain every

single cell in my body is benefiting

from methylene blue and the first time a

human being ever uttered the words Magic

Bullet was in like

1897 this doctor who discovered

methylene blue discovered that it

basically cures just about everything

and not not treat not treat which

American drugs treat things this is a

this is can cure and reverse damage of

all cellular

stress like I'm going to get in trouble

here with YouTube again but go

on this is magical cure uh as as I'm

talking about any of this all of the

studies are out there and it's not like

some Fringe study that was done in like

Madagascar or something this is like

John's Hopkins this is Mayo Clinic this

is Harvard Oxford University Stanford's

done work on this Uncle Huber may may

have written a paper or two on it I

doubt it

but it's been used since 1890 the patent

expired in the early

1900s and as a quick I can't I can't

explain all the ways that it works

without like going into super crazy

detail about how cells breathe but I

will say that it targets neuronal

mitochondria the mitochondria Powerhouse

of the cell in your neurons you have so

much mitochondria in your body that it

makes up about 6 to 7% of your body

weight that's it's a lot of

mitochondria so methylene blue goes in

there and it dyes all of your cells blue

temporarily blue your mitochondria

especially as a fun fact mitochondria do

not have human

DNA they are not

human the things that are running every

cell in your body has zero human DNA

it's closer to

bacteria this is a result of of a

symbiotic relationship that was formed a

billion something years ago a treaty

between between these two things men and

bacteria yes we will merge we we became

one you can look that up later but

methylene blue goes into the cell and

prevents these things called reactive

oxygen species other people call them

free radicals from building up it

converts water or converts oxygen into

water that's your body's main job so if

I have an oxygen molecule that's got too

many hydrogen on it that's called the

reactive oxygen species and we also have

reactive nitrogen species which

methylene blue helps methylene blue

gathers up electrons so that's the root

of most disease is free radicals and

inflammation like is this not disputed

by anyone on Earth for example

Alzheimer's mosia gravis urinary tract

infections

herpes fill in the blank as Tod

neurodegenerative diseases Parkinson

inflammation Alzheimer's yep any form of

inflammation I me that's where most

disease almost all forms of inflammation

come from this wow so methylene blue

just gets rid of it and I thought that's

not possible not going to happen then I

learned methylene blue helps gets

electrons from doing all this and goes

back to your little mitochondria and

donates those electrons down into the

mitochondria of your cell so your

mitochondria have a few layers to it if

and these are tiny microscopic right so

an electron jumps into this layer and

electron spins around all the time so as

the electron is passing through these

four layers of your mitochondria it's

generating heat and that's cellular

energy that's how our cells generate

heat to make energy for our body in the

form of ATP adenosine

triphosphate

so on top of that it helps to make this

chemical it like I don't remember the

exact numbers I would say it triples the

amount of this chemical inside your cell

called cytochrom see

oxidase so cyto meaning cell Chrome

meaning color oxidase meaning an oxygen

so it increases intracellular oxygen and

something called the Krebs cycle which

anybody who's been through med school

has like nightmares about the kreb cycle

because it's you have to memorize this

crazy formula for how a cell breathes

air and how a cell breathes oxygen is

more complex than how we breathe oxygen

way more complex

so if a cell starts getting low oxygen

and your body has a buildup of reactive

oxygen species you have disease

guaranteed because now your cells can't

run on electrons anymore and they start

doing something called uh Brewery or

they're kind of like fermentation

running and that's the backup power

system of your body is the cells use

fermentation to start bubbling up energy

inside the cell because they're not

getting enough electrons they're not

getting enough energy

there's a million things I've published

a paper on methylene blue um which you

can put in the in the description if

somebody wants to read it I wrote it so

that my mom could take it to her doctor

I don't give a crap about who else reads

the paper I wrote it for my mom to be

able to give to her doctor so her doctor

understands what it is that's what the

paper's for so it is a it's been a

miracle it stopped my entire

seizures it's reversed brain damage I

have more energy more mental focus I'm

in a better mood than I've ever ever

been since I was like 20 years old and

that's just the methylene blue and then

we stack on high does melatonin on top

of that at 200 milligram melatonin that

I also get from Dr

laurance um I saw him in person just a

couple weeks ago and he kind of rebooted

my entire nervous

system um the highd dose melatonin does

very similar things to methylene blue

but on a different level and just

different dimensions of it and I'll let

I'll let somebody who's watching just

look that up please look that up please

look at up look what up high do

melatonin and it's a suppository 200

milligram melatonin

suppository but the the final thing that

methylene blue two more things that

methylene blue does number one is red

light therapy if you're red light

therapy is proven proven to work and if

you have a good red light machine it

penetrates your body up to 4 Ines you

could tell I'm like three times as

excited talking about this CU I'm

desperate for people to like know about

this chemical and I felt like the

biggest dumbass in the world for

narcissistically thinking that I would

know about it if it was good I I would

have I would have read some studies on

it uh and I'm trying to be that

messenger for everybody to just look it

up and talk to your doctor obviously

doctor needs to be spoken to but if

you're doing red light therapy methylene

blue is blue because it it reflects a

lot of blue light and it that which

means it absorbs tons of red light so if

I'm in a red light therapy machine and I

have methylene blue and inside my body

it's all in my veins it's all all

throughout my body that means every cell

is absorbing that red light and that

allows some of your cells to start

running on that Photon

energy and it like I would say 600x the

effects of red light therapy if you're

using methylene blue and the final

benefit of methylene blue is that it has

the capacity to cure or treat depression

and anxiety because it's it's something

called a monoamine oxidase inhibitor and

for hundred years we used maois which is

the abbreviation for that to treat

depression and it was proven clinically

proven to work

and I would say don't take my word for

it because I was mistrusting in in the

beginning and I thought there's no

possible way I would have heard about it

my doctor would have told me about it it

would be all over TV and I don't know

why it's not prescription it's over-the

counter side effect

zero

none so the patent running out

is do people not know about it because

nobody has a patent and can make a ton

of money off of it I think that's

probably the reason and one of the big I

mean you only see commercials for things

that are

patented there's money in it doctors are

only telling

about the drugs that are

common makes you wonder what other cures

are there out there that nobody knows

about that's right under our

nose there's probably so much and what's

funny is that

science uh my dad texted me an article

hold on I'll read you the title of this

article and you can edit this out if you

want

to so here it is UT Health University of

Texas Health Houston to test psychedelic

mushrooms as a treatment for

depression I love how science is just

now like this is a breakthrough and

we've been doing mushrooms as a species

for like 10,000 years 50,000 years uh

and treating depression with it for that

whole time but now they're like oh we're

we're just making this discovery and

they use those words like that which is

ridiculous to me

m Clos the loop on your story with your

brain

yeah it's cured now it's

completely it's absolutely cured wow and

the brain scans prove it like the the

the brain has rebuilt itself it's

healthy everything is functioning

perfectly you can test it on an MRI a

pet scan and an ambulatory EEG which

means I wear a brain uh

machine that scans brain waves for like

an extended period of time like 72 hours

and people analyze all of that to make

sure that there's no misfiring of

neurons going on

Wow and

psychedelics

yeah what have you learned what have you

experienced and it's made a big

difference for

you I I think psychedelics changed my

life

and I think it's the first time that I

was able to like unzip this ego costume

and start stepping out of it

and it was

terrifying like who who will I be if I'm

not this this Halloween costume of of

Chase Hughes what was your Halloween

costume tough guy tobacco chewing

tobacco chewing gunman gunfighting

military guy 20 years in the military

yeah how many deployments nine nine

deployments wow for anyone who's

like I don't find any

records you mentioned this I'll send

them to you yes but uh there was a hater

online just for context that would

yeah so I I think just stepping out of

that was the most meaningful experience

of my entire life and I judged mushrooms

for decades

and I thought there's no way that that

could be a spiritual molecule that there

could be anything spiritual about that

and you cannot there's no words in the

English language to be able to describe

the the depth that that thing can take

you to or show you or expose you to I

don't know how it works I'm not claiming

to know the the GPS coordinates of

whatever Dimension you go to or if

you're imagining it or if it's all

hallucination I don't care uh it it

unzips your ego and I think if you do it

every few months even a lighter dose

every few months wherever it's

legal

um I think you come like if we're doing

a little chart here here's my little ego

up here and I have one psychedelic

journey and my ego just disappears and

I'm I see myself as less separate that's

kind of what ego is I'm separate from

from everybody else yeah and a

psychopath is somebody who is Ultimate

the ultimate separation yeah no one else

is meaningless but me that's the perfect

ultimate separation so now ego you have

this little brief experience of ego

dying and then you start coming out of

that and be like wow that was like I'm I

was connected to stuff like I was this

military

guy no spirituality whatsoever and I've

never been spiritual until that day I

became permanently spiritual not

religious uh by any means but

just so spiritual that I would say I

have no idea what this is this existence

I don't know what it is so then you come

down out of the ego you go back up after

the dose you're back into ego again but

this little this little Peak is like a

millimeter lower than the last Peak then

you maybe a few months later do it again

and this peak is a little bit lower and

this little ego Peaks a little bit lower

uh I don't know how big my ego Peak is

maybe

it's 3 in or you know whatever it is on

that graph but man it feels so good it's

such a freeing

experience um to have that and one the

reason that I started trying

psychedelics

was they they create something called

neuroplasticity more specifically than

that they create something called

synaptic

plasticity which your uncle h could tell

you about but uh your synapses neurons

can not just talk to each other

differently but they can make

connections where they need to be made

that's why mushrooms are being used for

PTSD and anxiety and depression

addiction

disorders so I think that's that's what

got me into it was just trying to fix my

brain I did not know I did not know that

there was going to be some kind of

spiritual component to it I thought I

would just going to put a blindfold on

see a bunch of

like Beetle songs kind of stuff like in

my vision and then I'd wake up and and

I'd be back to normal and I'm thank God

that I'm I didn't go back to what I

defined as normal back then because it

was full of ego completely full of

ego consult your doctor don't listen to

anything that we're saying none of this

is advice do everything legally

yes so you gave me this

massive Ops manual yeah for people this

is something that intelligence agencies

would use mhm or are using I don't know

if you can disclose or yeah they are

using it to

train people yes US Government

um and then you told me about the new

thing that you have coming out the exit

is is that what it's called it's a book

called exit a user's guide to the

simulation the way you pitched it to me

was so fascinating because

it's not the simulation like Elon Musk

would say that we're in a video game

right but it's it's something that where

you what's the origin story of that so

it's basically getting off of the map

glitching out of the map so and this is

this is not conspiracy theory stuff this

is not at all this is

just reality dealing with reality yeah

because one of the things you said to me

was okay going to a grocery store is a

simulation it is simulating going to the

forest and piing your berries yep

right Instagram is a simulation of Life

uh a a department store is a simulation

of like a market uh if you go to

Disneyland for

example there are simulations of

characters that have no

original it's a simulation of something

you saw on TV that has no original it's

a copy of a copy but there is no

original and it's simulating cities it's

simulating towns in so much

Perfection and so much of our lives are

these little simulations of things like

a the menu at at a fast food place has

these perfect luxurious looking Burgers

on it and we know for a fact that that's

a simulation that's not what it really

looks like so all of our lives like

people the Disney World is attractive a

theme parks are attractive because

they're a simulation of reality that's

more perfect than reality and we've

gotten to a place where people prefer

almost prefer the simulation the the

presidential debate is about who can

fake it better who can say the exact

right words more and we're we know that

they're lying we know politicians are

are full of it we prefer the person who

simulates better I want the better

simulated person and just so much of our

lives are about

simulation and I if you just look at any

study the further we get from nature

like if I take an orca whale and I stick

it in a tank at at a theme park I won't

say the

name shme world shme world yeah let's

just call it and I shorten that

creature's

life instantly the moment they start

living in captivity their life is short

if I take an octopus out of the

ocean I shorten their lifespan by 3 to

four years a third of their life goes

away no matter how perfectly I manage

that salt water they're living in the pH

levels the algae I add in all of this

perfect stuff so that the octopus can

live the most perfect life possible and

I'm

simulating what their environment is

supposed to be like it shortens its life

because it's a simulated environment no

matter how perfect and you take a human

and out of where our ancestors lived and

we're we're no longer seeing things and

being around the environment where we're

supposed to be our lives are shortened

and you can see the the places where

people live the longest are closer to

Nature they have smaller tribal groups

this is Malcolm Gladwell wrote books

about this outliers was written about

this or chapter in

outliers and I published a paper a year

ago called ancestor confusion

Theory where if we

imagine and this this part you have to

imagine because we we know that part of

it's true but if you imagine an ancestor

living inside of me my ancestors from a

100,000 years ago 200,000 years ago

living inside of

me if I spend time in places that that

ancestor does not understand like cities

and Office Buildings with artificial

lighting and I'm eating processed foods

that my cells my ancestor cells don't

understand how to deal with that I have

disease and if I'm in the simulated

environment enough like cities and all

this or

simulated places it's not like none of

it's real it's a simulation of life and

how life is supposed to be I have

disease and this is even this is a

simulation right now right yeah we're

talking into a mic it feels like there's

a bunch of people yep but there isn't

yeah and for people who are listening

they feel like they're in a conversation

with us

yes and they're watching us on a screen

and they're getting sick while they're

listening to it

yeah but I if

we if if what I'm looking at every day

would confuse my

ancestors the first thing that starts is

psychopathy and the second thing that

that starts is what I call

bopath because that word should have

been invented but I don't think it was

it's yours now you it's a pathology of

biological functions like I'm eating

things my cells don't recognize because

our bodies and our brains have not

changed in about 200,000 years it's

about the same exact cells same brain

our brain has gotten bigger and so we

think like oh since we have iPhones now

our bodies must be evolving at the same

Pace as technology we we have not and

technology has outpaced our ability to

deal with it which is evident when we

have rampant depression anxiety suicides

are through the

roof and what's causing all this is us

kind of living too much inside of a

simulated world and if you just look at

any of the statistics the closer

somebody is to

Nature whether it's food how much time

they're spending in it the the type of

light they're being exposed to all the

time uh they're healthier and I'm not

saying this is like oh this is going to

stop cancer or this is going to like

prevent disease I'm just saying the

human is better off in our natural

environment in the place we're supposed

to be and I think one of the biggest

mistakes of all time in human history is

us remember psychopathy starts at what

separation is viewing ourselves as

separate from nature instead of a piece

of nature they're like oh I need to go

spend more time in nature like you're

not spending time in nature that's you

those are yourselves the stuff that

makes this up right here is not

me I have more in relation to this piece

of wood on on this desk right here

so viewing ourselves is separate from

the earth separate from nature is and

this sounds so hippie but the science is

there we spend time where our ancestors

would have been comfortable and some a

place where our ancestors would it would

make sense to them this is my theory but

you can look up the statistics if you

want to

MH what do we do with this information I

have no

idea because I don't I don't want to go

live in nature in a cabin in a hut a a

tiki hut well there's probably the 8020

that we can avoid right I mean when I

look at the like I can't imagine what

it's like growing up with a phone I was

blessed to I had an I had an iPhone with

access to social media at all times when

I was 16 had that started with 12 or

eight like this this this chilling

Instagram reel that I I saw once that uh

yeah Chris Williamson I showed it to him

and he was like send me that I want to

talk about that at some point as well

it's this really dystopian real I can

probably find it and put it up here

where you see these kids just on phones

you see you see these kids in a

classroom all of them wearing wearing VR

goggles simulation

simulation just separation from reality

and there's kids who are so

tired they can barely fall they they're

about to fall asleep and they're

scrolling or they're actually falling

asleep but they're still doing the

movement of scrolling on Tik Tok yeah

and

it's it's so dystopian horrifying you

made a document as well that shows that

the the signs of societal collapse right

oh Society collapses yeah what what was

that document and what was it made for

so I I made the document for US Army

scops psychological Operations Command

and it's a document that you can on

three little

axes You can predict how close a society

is to collapsing and you can throw it up

on the screen right now so get ready to

take a

screenshot and I'm not going to do a

three count cuz Leon will put put it in

at a wrong

time um but one of

those talk about it from your

perspective having read it and just kind

of gone through it yourself so there is

there are three sliding scales from 1 to

10 the higher it is or the lower it is

I'm not sure lower the lower it is I

think might yeah on one out if I'm wrong

on one extreme it's it's bad yeah and so

one of them is I think separation

between individuals yeah

which Facebook's goal is to connect

people is it really or has disconnected

people more yeah right so there's things

like that how much separation is there

another thing I don't remember the the

other thing the third thing was how

close are we to reality yeah in a

perfect world we would live in harmony

with nature in harmony with our

ancestral DNA that hasn't caught up yet

which I'm not saying we all need to go

be naked all day barefoot walking around

in the woods eating berries but that

would be like the perfect thing for our

body well at least move closer to that

and the the the worst case would be

we're in a simulation we're hooked up on

VR goggles and we are not in touch with

reality yeah you don't have to worry

about Elon musk's digital simulation

we're we're in a physical simulation

right now and this is one thing I told

my kids we were talking about this last

night that if a product is being

advertised and they can't tell you what

problems that the product is solving you

need to be very very scared M you need

to be terrified like look at if you look

amazon.com we bring stuff to your house

you don't have to go to the store you

get stuff shipped to you faster you have

more time to do what you want to do

we'll take care of all the shipping and

everything and you look at something

like VR headset I won't say the name mhm

should I say it yes so Amazon is a

example of a company that can disclose

what problem they're solving openly talk

about yeah the problem that they're

addressing because they're actually

solving problem which is I don't have to

go to a grocery store I can just get it

not saying Amazon is a Flawless great

company but at least there's utility

there's a real need being fulfilled yes

right yeah and now if there's VR

goggles what problem are they solving

iPhones do they do they tell you what

problem they solve it's just cool it's

just great wouldn't it be great to all

these cool

features but what problem do I actually

have

that well it is definitely solving a

problem but they're not willing to

disclose it correct and it is

loneliness depression and a need to

anesthetize myself from my real life

Escape

yeah I mean the the least the most

innocent one would be boredom right

because you could say what's what's what

problem does a movie solve well boredom

yeah yeah I guess well same thing with

smoking with cigarettes like what

problem is it

solving right yeah same thing

there loneliness if I'm smoking for

social reasons

boredom yeah and it's a social

anesthetic I'm stressed out I need to go

have a

cigarette or I need to put a dip in is

what I would say a uh undeployment which

you don't have in Germany do you what

dip

tobacco I was never able to find it in

the UK or in like anywhere in the Middle

East so you had to like ship these logs

of Copenhagen which I don't do anymore I

quit a long time ago but that was like

that was the hardest thing in my life

I've ever done is quit uh dipping

tobacco nasty

stuff so

distance from

nature and uh proximity to simulated

living and not not some digital Matrix

simulation are are the measurements of

societal collapse according to the

document that I made for the US Army do

you know the third one there's

separation between people it's been 5

years it's all rooted in a lot of data

is it information access is it something

like that is it I think that might be it

we'll throw it up on screen and yeah

maybe edit this out so I can pretend

like I know what it is I can't remember

yeah perfect I do think that is one of

the most powerful ways to to

predict the proximity to the collapse of

a society is how much are they

simulating in their everyday life and

this we can go back 800 years and people

are still there's simulations still

going on but it's just become rampant

and a lot of this work on simulation if

if you're interested in this and it's

something that's interesting to you you

need to read the book called simulakra

and simulation by Jean bodard it's a

French

philosopher and he goes way off into

communism and crazy stuff but this one

book I think is brilliant and it's is a

perfect example of

how we are living almost in the trumans

show to where if you start trying to get

out and like I'm going to get on the

boat like crazy stuff starts happening

you get cancelled think about the people

getting canceled it's

like it's it's

bizarre and in the real life example the

stage that's being put up so for anyone

who hasn't seen The Truman Show it's

basically this man who's his entire life

is a TV show and he doesn't know it

because he was born in it I guess he was

yeah brainwashed into it whatever and so

everything's put together and fake

Everyone's an actor Everyone's an actor

in his life yeah but and he's the main

character of a TV show and he doesn't he

doesn't know it and then there's these

advertisements that are being read out

in a really weird way and he thinks oh

it's just weird sometimes people just

talk about a product like that yeah but

he doesn't know because it's that's his

reality so what is that what do you

think that is in in our lives I guess

it's just the masks that we wear

ourselves and the things that we pretend

so it's not just it's not that there's

some evil producer who's putting it all

together but we're putting it together

ourselves ourselves and the people

around us are helping to support that

simulation and one of the one of the

things that happens is Truman starts to

see cracks he starts to see little

cracks he walks randomly into a building

that he never goes into one day and the

elevator doors open and he there's no

elevator there it's just a breakroom for

all the actors in The Truman Show and he

like sees through the set and he sees

kind of behind the scenes one day which

is like someone in our life realizing

that marketing and advertising and all

this kind of stuff is ruining us it's

it's building a prison that we can't see

just like in The Truman Show

and he starts like questioning reality

and the moment he does that everyone

around him steps in to say whoa whoa

Whoa man you need to come back to come

back to earth you need to come back back

here and stay here you need to stay here

which is like what do our friends do

when we start going like hey I don't

want to do this anymore I don't want to

I don't want to do that I don't want to

participating that it's very eerily

similar but the reason

that uh Kristoff was the director of the

show in the movie played by uh I can't

remember his

name but the director of The Truman Show

in the movie is willing to put him

through all this turmoil fires

explosions all this stuff to try to keep

him in this little World they built for

him which is a TV set and Truman is

willing to die for the

truth he's willing to die for the truth

and if you're in the business of finding

truth and your price isn't your

life then you you are for sale your

version of Truth is for sale you asked

me that yesterday how much money would

somebody have to pay you to to lie yeah

and I said well the depends on the LIE

if it's something serious that could

really harm someone then I wouldn't

doesn't matter if it's like a little lie

then or like a joke like yeah like if I

were for example to lie about somebody

being my

uncle maybe a neuroscientist on YouTube

and then not not actually and it's just

a joke then yeah I would do it i' do it

for free

yeah but so what you said was if if you

were willing to tell a serious lie for

amount of money even if it's 100 million

even if it's billion to yourself well to

myself

oh are you in the business of Truth

telling and and I don't mean on YouTube

I just mean in my

life and that's something we can aspire

to be but I don't think we're we're

we're flawed little

creatures and if if we aspire to truth

telling the price has always got to be

my life I'm willing to pay my life for

so the simulation or the true man show

in our lives is advertisement social

media the wears that we Mark the the the

the masks that we wear MH waiting for

the coffee to kick

in um the stories we tell ourselves of

who we should be where we feel shame

social

enforcement shame societal shame what

can I shame you into believing then I

can start controlling your behavior and

then you're not you anymore you're

simulating a version of you that doesn't

have this bad shame

quality this is where we see

propaganda in World War II World War I

why don't you flex your biceps in the

middle of a podcast like that how I want

you to perceive me I like it yes I could

beat you at armrest if you're watching

this I sent a video of his thighs uh to

my wife yesterday versus my

thighs the big difference send me that

video I'll put it in

there

um so I mean when I scroll through

Instagram I can feel I can feel it even

if I'm even if I judge people and I'm

like this is this is all pretend this is

all this this is all that I can

feel man I I feel this stress in me this

of that guy is more jacked than

me this girl looks perfect and and and

they have the perfect lifestyle and what

am I doing with my life those are the

two things that made to make you feel

number one compare yourself to other

people number two make you feel like

you're not enough

yet you're not enough yet till something

kaching fill in the blank yeah make a

purchase I buy stuff I don't anymore up

until about four months ago so I'm not

saying I'm I've got anything figured out

uh and I I'm not one of those people

like oh I'm perfect you need to like

follow this example but I was very prone

to Instagram ads I bought all kinds of

crazy stuff the the watch that I'm

wearing right now uh was because of an

Instagram ad and it was so powerful that

I deleted all the apps off my phone it's

I just have it on a office iPad and I

have a social media manager now

but that is the

simulation and if you think about how

powerful the simulation is and I don't

mean that in some kind of weird sense

like we're just faking stuff is all I'm

saying um the the power is so grave and

the fear of social judgment is so

powerful online now that people will

stifle themselves

they will not speak the truth they won't

say anything real anymore they're afraid

of being canceled and it's that powerful

that I I'm willing to

simulate that I agree with this or that

I or I'm like have no opinion on

this um and that's the ultimate

simulation is am I willing to

participate in the creation of that for

other people by agreeing to it yeah

going with the crowd

and now once we see it happen to someone

and somebody gets like cancelled on

social media nothing happens and we're

back to the online version of the

bystander

effect do you think cancelling is a real

thing like it actually has an effect

because what I see is well what I

believe is if someone would to cancel me

or basically make an exposed video tons

of people jump on it everyone thinks I'm

horrible

I feel like most of it is just in my

head technically I could keep putting

out videos like nothing happened yeah

and that's what some people do and it

then it's

fine but it's the perceived feeling

of yeah and that stress is fake and none

of it's real and it's just I guess it's

just the reaction to it that really

messes people up yeah the the the stress

that it puts on them and then they stop

putting stuff out because of that it's

not actually that and it's it is shaming

is we will never forget that you did

this that you you allegedly even if it's

not true and I'm what I'm saying is

there's no ultimate truth I'm not saying

hey here are the six steps you need to

follow to get like the perfect life just

saying spend more time in nature be

closer to who you truly are like who do

I who did I want to be when I was little

who do I really need to be right now and

how can I like involve passion in the

life I'm living I made I kind of forced

you to watch a movie clip last night and

it's one of the most beautiful things in

the world you kind of forced me yeah

that was your experience of it it felt

that way because I'm not the guy I'm not

a video showing kind of guy that's funny

you put it that way no but I I was on my

phone I was trying to get back to an

important message so I'm probably came

across as yeah so we I started playing

this video and he's texting so I kind of

I did this on his leg I was like this

you need to watch this yeah and I was

like okay and I was like oh the final

message I haven't sent it yet yet but I

really enjoyed that I maybe I can

include it I think we should get away

with it it's it's a beautiful thing that

that some that Nicholas Cage is playing

this guy who used to own or owns this

truffle sniffing Pig and he needs his

Pig back but he sees this Chef in a

restaurant that has turned his entire

being into a simulated person in a

simulated

restaurant and Nick Cage sits down and

he says none of this is real you know

that right nothing's real these people

aren't real you're not real and it's

just this guy has this Awakening there's

a moment where he breaks and he's

looking at his restaurant that he's

crafted based on what people want what

people like what he thinks will get him

liked yeah which he's starting to defend

the prison he's starting to defend no no

this is what this you have to do it this

way this is what people

want and Nick kind of breaks him out of

that and that I think that's so

beautiful he he may have been mean about

it or something but just helping someone

to realize like you're better than

this these people who you're craving

admiration from don't care about you

you're getting your dopamine from all

the wrong places you're getting 90% of

your dopamine from running this

restaurant or whatever you're doing

running your Instagram account and 10%

from your kids and your family and

things that you're passionate about and

Dr Phil pulled me aside or where at

dinner one night and do Dr Phil sitting

right beside me kind of at the corner of

a table and I was asking him about

getting nervous and and going on stage

and all this stuff and he squeezed my

arm and he said this is one of the most

deadly diseases you could ever have it's

the the desire for Love from

strangers and that was like I was the

chef in that moment and I keep having

these moments where I realize where I'm

being that Chef all throughout my life

and I'm trying now I'm I used to avoid

that I try to like force myself into

those situations now like show me what

I'm what I'm still faking what am I

still faking and that's what mushrooms

do by the way is kind of they really

show you your

BS but that quote from Dr Phil it was

just between him and

I saying you need

affection from strangers that made me

that shook me to my core and and changed

the the direction my life I've never

told him this uh and he's probably too

busy to watch but maybe I'll send him

this

clip and in that

scene what Nicholas Cage reveals to the

chef is didn't you want to start a what

was it an Irish Pub yeah start a pub a

proper English pub and you can see

him shoving that aside it's like oh no

people wouldn't want that that's here in

this town like but you can see there's

like this passion that's Brewing inside

of him that this innocent untouched

desire and passion that he had to start

this yeah that was

suppressed

and the first time I watched that clip I

was in the I was in Nicholas Cage POV I

was like I'm the badass you identified

as him yeah cuz I wanted to be the cool

guy in the scene right and watched it a

couple more times and I was like I'm

still the

chef in many ways I can be Nick Cage for

a lot of people but I'm somebody else

still is always going to keep being Nick

Cage for me and I'm still the chef in

many situations so I think that's why

it's so beautiful

because you can if you're honest I think

if somebody's honest then they can see

whoa that's me they can really reflect

in in some of Behavior it's some of the

best acting I've ever seen too I think

we all are that Chef that maske wearing

people

pleasing prison maintaining Chef in some

areas in our lives for me it was partly

in the old channel right where I had a

vision for what I wanted to build the

things that I wanted to talk about I

think every creator has that everyone

who's building a business yeah you have

the opportunity to make a lot of money

with something

but is that the thing that you want to

do so one thing that I always got to go

back to is what's the vision because I

know how to make tons of money I know

how to get tons of views I know how to

please those people but are those the

people that I want to serve and is that

the stuff that I want to make and so I

get off track and I need to bring myself

back on track and so starting the new

channel for the the long fun podcast

starting with a clean slate different

audience different expectations has been

so freeing for

me and you you did in the car on the way

over here we were riding in the back of

an Uber on the way here and I told you I

was like if you do this this and this

it's going to get a shitload of views

and you then you look back at me you're

like but who is the type of person

clicking on that that's not what I want

uh and that was that was huge because I

didn't think I didn't even think about

that I thought YouTube was just for

views I didn't think about like who's

the desired audience here for this yes

not all views are the same I'd rather

have a thousand people people watching

who are intelligent they're open-minded

they understand nuances then dumb things

down and get 100,000 views on something

and you have to keep it dumb to keep

reaching a wide audience yeah make a box

for it yeah pop some whipped cream

balloons in there give somebody 10K in a

parking

lot

yes and I mean this is where everyone

listening can look

at where am I doing that in my life

where where am I getting validation from

people that I I why am I doing this and

you told me about this yesterday as well

you mapped out where you're getting

dopamine from yeah not valid not just

validation but specifically

dopamine yeah where am I get where am I

motivated to go seek validation which is

dopamine so I'm D I'm driven to get

motivation from this one place or to get

validation or acceptance or a good

feeling even if I'm by myself if I'm

drinking alcohol or or whatever that is

and if I you want me to walk through the

dopamine map MH so the way that I do

this with any of my clients we have like

a regular sheet of paper we draw a line

in the middle with a little circle in

the center of it and that like kind of

like a basketball court and we put me

right there in the middle and on the

left is all the all the sources of

dopamine that are good for me write all

the sources that are bad for me and I

make the clients draw a big circle for

big sources smaller circles for smaller

sources because I want them to see that

in a lot of ways sometimes we'll see

porn a circle is this big and Family

Circle is this big small yeah and

getting to the point where you see that

it's I had that for my life I did that

for

me and social media was big on there

really big it's like how many views am I

getting on

YouTube and we we have I think I have a

million subscribers total now and um

it's

meaningless utterly meaningless and it's

one of the best feelings in the world of

not needing that love from strangers but

I'm still putting out good content I'm

I'm putting making videos as if it's to

family and if if you map out your

dopamine it shows you it's a very

unusual reminder and a visual thing

where I can see what my brain is

doing and what the final thing I made

with the clients do is out of a 100 you

have 100 points and you have to assign a

point value of dopamine that equals 100

you have to allocate for all where am I

getting this little validation and stuff

from MH and then it's it's very

difficult to have to sit there and write

65 on

cocaine or you know whatever I'm doing

and and put a 12 next to my kids how do

I know something is high is it that I'm

very motivated to seek that when I look

at the actions that I take throughout

the

day not what I want to Value but what I

actually value with actions is that what

determines the the size of

the uh I I determine it by

proximity

so how close are you to that thing time

how much time of your day does it occupy

and feeling like do you feel good while

doing it does that make sense so like am

I driven am I motivated to go do this

thing not necessarily do I feel good

after getting it but not after yeah

because you can feel empty but still

keep pursuing it yeah so it's it's am I

motivated to pursue that yeah so if you

don't feel good after something that's a

good indicator that that's a

dopaminergic thing and not a

serotonergic

thing it's not love it's not oxytocin

stuff like that think it's a common

misconception that people think dopamine

is the feel-good chemical which it's

it's not it's the it's actually the Gap

chemical it's I want I'm I'm going

that's what makes a baby crawl yeah

dopamine makes our muscles move towards

things and it makes our muscles move so

if you look at somebody with Parkinson's

that's a dopaminergic pathway Disorder

so it's a dopamine disorder because

their muscles are kind of shutting down

and getting the hand trimmers and things

like that uh so dopamine is so much more

than oh it makes me feel good if I if I

had liquid dopamine and put it in your

neck you would not feel

good you would you would try to peel

your skin off and and escape from this

feeling of like needing to move so much

it's

insane so map out

dopamine and then what do we do with

that once we know is being aware of it

enough because this ties into everything

that we talked about with we live in a

world that we've constructed on who we

should be we're not enough this is the

mask I should wear this is what's

accepted and then I guess creating the

map can allow us to become aware of oh

this is where I'm falling into the Trap

of needing validation from these

strangers yeah is just being aware

enough of it or do you think I think it

is because it would be easy for me to

say yeah download my free three-step

course right now to remap your dopamine

so you can the link down below so you

can be enough but I don't think there's

a plan that's that fits everybody but I

think the lower part of our brain the

part of our brain that keeps us

breathing at night keeps our

heartbeating at night this mamalian part

of our brain can handle that stuff it

knows how to handle those problems it's

been around a lot longer than our

frontal cortex it's smarter in many many

ways so if I every day I'm maybe drawing

a dopamine map for every day getting

that back into my awareness that that I

can't talk to my lower brain I can't

talk to the melan brain right because it

doesn't speak English I'm pushing that

awareness back down into that brain as

much as I possibly can that goes into

something called the reticular

activating system or the What's called

the reticular formation is the actual

part of the brain so I just whatever you

want to change in your life anything you

want to change in your life Jam jam it

down into that part of the brain and the

way to jam it down into that part of the

brain is how can I communicate this to a

dog mhm I remember you talking about

this the last episode that's it it

requires imagery

emotion and other sensory input smell

and then repetition just training a dog

if there's a formula that I used to

teach for actual

brainwashing and it works the same to

brainwash ourselves out of a behavior or

into a new Behavior it's Focus emotion

agitation and repetition it spells

fear so agitation meaning I'm going to

change my environment very regularly so

my brain doesn't go into I'm familiar

with this mode so it's like wow these

walls are a different color in my office

this my couch and my living room is in a

different place I'm going continuously

move things around to force my brain to

see the lower brain to say things are

new you need to pay attention

MH interesting so if if I wanted to

build

The Driven Community into a cult

brainwash them

into things that are obviously only good

for them a good cult a good cult because

there are good Cults out there I was a

member of One for 20 years it's called

military

yeah what are some suggestions how can I

build a raving community of people who

love being around likeminded people who

love challenging each other supporting

each other and um yeah really

committed number one thing is to have an

identity statement

around where they become so this is the

first step if if you're creating a cult

Step One is whatever you're inside of

you have an identity statement where a

person can complete the sentence of I am

a veteran I am a it's a it's a badge of

honor right and no it's not identity for

me to say I'm a member of The Driven

Community if it's identity when I say I

am a 38 or whatever name that you want

to give it so first step is identity

labeling second step is Insider language

so we have words to describe people that

are non-members

civilians right that's one of the things

you told me yesterday is yeah civilians

civilians different

crowd and then so after that you have a

initial kind of a wakeup call and you

want people to go through some kind of

assessment that shows them all their V

vulnerabilities Without You exploiting

them and that would be the difference

between a bad cult would say let me see

your vulnerabilities I'm going to record

them on this video here and save it in

case you ever do anything stupid and B

I'm going to use them all against you

instead of help you with them so get

them to aware of their vulnerabilities

because just like what we talked about

if I'm aware of something often enough

it starts going away if it's a

problem and finally well there's a

million on the third thing what does

that mean what

vulnerabilities vulnerabilities to let's

say someone signs up for the driven

Community I can help you build this if

you want but you have like here's our 28

question thing that keeps you from being

your best driven self MH need to work on

The Branding a little bit but I like

where this is going whatever it is yeah

and like here's like and the person

knows I'm low on this I'm low on that

I'm low on that so if I focus on just

what I'm good at we need to we need to

know our insecurities right because

imagine if like my kids are in

elementary school and they're failing

math they're failing English they're

failing history and I say oh yeah don't

worry about that let's focus on what

you're good at it's a recipe for failure

if the engine fails in your car you're

not going to go change your brakes

because your brakes are good well it's

like going to school and not having any

grad

you don't even know if you're failing at

math right yeah so letting people get

aware of that helps them to bring those

things up and you keep it private to

them it's not some publicly open thing

but having making the group a source of

dopamine is number one which means that

you need to deliver unexpected bonuses

on a regular basis that the person's not

expecting they're getting dopamine just

waiting for the next one

not from receiving the

first so they get excitement because of

the first that dopamine for the next and

the and the continuing ones and then the

other ways that the group becomes a

source of dopamine is that you're

continually sharing content that is good

quality but it's with other members and

someone achieving something they're

witnessing someone that's a member of

the community achieving a milestone or

goal that is similar to their own

they get dopamine for themselves moving

forward in their life and they get

dopamine for the next video the next

interaction group call whatever it is so

what I'm really thinking of if I'm if

I'm a cult leader is how can I direct

and issue dopamine as if it were

a a ticket that I'm handing out on a

regular basis and if you're doing the

right things you're helping people with

their life and and there's a standard

for ethics that I have we talked about

this last night

like if I'm influencing another person

and they could genuinely see inside of

my head my Integrity my character my

desire and my intent for what I'm doing

in this situation and they would still

agree with it then then we're doing the

right thing uh if they wouldn't go ahead

and sign up for it if they saw

everything that's in my head then I'm

not doing a good thing yeah and being

unethical yeah so I guess even sharing

this and being like Hey how do I get

people to be really committed and really

love this so much that they they want to

stay in it and stuff like that and

contribute is part of that right yeah

and just having those meetups around the

world so setting up a way for them to

meet up in person and if they're ever in

trouble the entire Community comes

together like a beehive to like one

person loses their company or goes

bankrupt or something everybody gives

them a th000 bucks or five grand or

something like that and that's like a

policy uh so it's like a beehive mindset

yeah another thing you mentioned that I

loved is an initiation

process yeah right they have to drink

some blood maybe I no I didn't say that

okay no that was my

idea no wait uh let's not do the bad

thing let's do it in in a good way but

initiation process some way to and again

like all of these things you see in

universities you see it in sports teams

you see it in companies Apple whatever

you see it in even the science Community

like science is a massive cult yeah it

is anything that's not science that's BS

that's

Outsiders sharing a win is oh they this

University these scientists they

discovered this oh wow right there is

the initiation can be something as

simple as like every time somebody joins

we do this one weird thing and everybody

remembers it forever and a great piece

of initiation if you ever want to

incorporate this and make it truly

memorable is their first day is a member

of the community they write a letter to

their future

self a thank you

letter got

it so they write that letter the future

self maybe it triggered her on an auto

email or something like that but I would

say it needs to be printed out needs to

be handwritten if

possible and they open it in a year

here and so they're encouraging their

future self they're doing all this and

then now they're looking back and you

have them kind of encapsulated in this

little time capsule where they're

interested in their growth they're

actually working hard to make their

goals come true because now they got to

read that letter and have people share

their letter A year

later yeah I just received my letter

from a year ago yeah wow that would be

really interesting and you're required

to share it I love that

that's great I'm G to start doing that I

just I'm going to start doing that with

my VIP clients cool I'm going to do it

before you so it looks like you copied

me I'm gonna do it first okay we'll see

about I'm gonna do it as soon as we WRA

recording awesome um where can people

find out more about you what you do what

you have coming

up um go to

NCI University that's n is in November

NC C University NCI do University or

just type Chase use into Google M

awesome and you have a new book coming

out new book coming out in October it's

called exit a user's guide to the

simulation not the digital one not the

digital one awesome thank you thanks man