blue fucker

>Just talk to your oshi
In what way you blue faggot? As a line of text on YouTube that'll stay on the screen for two seconds? Do you want me to send her a superchat to say the same thing?
What would she do with that information?
It's obviously mandated because every generation acts as a unit. Everyone gets pissy if all 4 or 5 members of that unit don't do their music stuff.
What an out of touch retard. Her music sucks eggs too.

>>91146762
Yeah, me
I fuck all blue holos

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>>91146601 (OP)
>How could you think we're being forced to sing and dance?
>That thought pisses me off
>We all do it because we really want to

kek

>>91146775
Clearly she means to DM them and get blocked immediately

>>91146846
Chloe chose to do that.

>>91146601 (OP)
I wonder why she never just asked INNK management when they neglected her.
:)

>people now have started to believe the leaks that said Suisei is the reason why Fauna and Chloe left
KEK

>>91146994
Is that why she said she was forced to multiple times?

She is actually making a valid point even if many people are too retarded to get it. Everyone expects their oshi to stream 7 days a week and perform in every single 3D Live flawlessly, then complains when said oshi feels overworked trying to fulfill those expectations.

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>>91146601 (OP)

>>91147058
Streaming isn't work, according to Kanata.

>>91147005
Yeah, I really wonder why she did not just ask the entire company to go in her direction some years prior
Not like she didn't always have that power and influence and it took root over the years right?
Not like we are seeing how any of her "fights with management" nowdays tends to get the results she wants, right?

>>91146987
Sounds right.
I think the worst part about it is she believes her own tripe. Yes, of course you're on top of the world and so smart like every other nearly forgotten artist over the last 200 years.
I'm reminded of Mr. Crowley. Did all sorts of heinous shit. In the end he was just another resident in an old folks home.

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lol lmao even
fuck this blue fat bitch

>>91147111
N-no j-j-just talk to your oshi bro!

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>Why do they say this is a black company? They treat me great!

>talk to your oshi
>she repeats the same PR lines other girls have already said
What's the point?

>>91146601 (OP)
No source huh? So we have to take your words then.

>>91147261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uAVRH-cgH8 [Embed]

>>91147017
She's an affiliate, rather than terminated. So there's no way you can spin it that she was ever forced to do anything.

my God, how can one based woman mindbreak dramaniggers so much?

>the monkeys couldn't even wait for their other thread to archive

>>91147070
You know if Suisei isn't Japanese then that means a Japanese corporation built around idol groups can't produce a single Japanese idol and had to import a superior country to do the job for them.
If I was from the Philippines I'd run with that as a source of national pride. In the end Japanese idols just can't compete.

>>91147324
Retard, Chloe didn't even know what the fuck "afiliate" was during the announcement stream

>>91147324
Lol, lmao even
Chloe clearly had not much knowledge in what an affiliate is to start with, but she was sold the idea that if she wanted to, she could come back at any time
But that is still cutting her off majorly as she isn't spinning properly as a cog in this idol machine of the new Hololive direction

>>91147327
Lmao, give me one, AT LEAST ONE Holo JP shitter (2K-3Kccv) that defended the management...
Cmon, give me fucking one JP shitter, link me to the stream

>>91146601 (OP)
You are trying to talk sense to a bunch of sea corposlurpers.

>>91147324
>Implying Hololive would fire someone for shitting on management

>>91147574
Noel

If you have a complain about Suisei it's probably your oshi's fault for being less talented and hardworking than Suisei

>>91147868
>twisting meanings

>>91146775
Every holo is addicted to fucking egosearching. If people post a reply on twitter or youtube they will see it, obviously. Maybe not you specifically but if it's a common sentiment they see it.

>>91147899
The translation is right there, EOP

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>>91147868
>Its your oshi's fault
Hi Suisex, do you have some piss to share?

>Core of Hololive is built on light idol activities and heavy amounts of streaming
>FUCK THAT EVERYONE HAS TO SPEND WAY MORE TIME ON PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT, SINGING AND DANCING LESSONS, AND BRAND DEALS

People who get special treatment coming out to say "Fuck you, got mine" tale as old as time

It's not about streaming and being a good streamer, it's about having connections now

>>91147058
>Everyone expects their oshi to stream 7 days a week and perform in every single 3D Live flawlessly,
No they don't

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>corpo fav
>still stream
Your oshi is just lazy anon.They just want the easy money

Reminder to this faggot blue bitch that only just 2 years ago we had Omega, a universally hated face of management on the EN side who enacted a bunch of shit the general fanbases didn't like. Does that mean management is bad every time? No, but she's talking as if the talents have a lot of say when they don't really.

>>91146601 (OP)
>why would you think your oshi is forced to sing or dance on your own?
i dunno suisei, maybe because chloe literally said that's basically what happened to her when she was still sick?

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>>91146601 (OP)
Nijisister or Disgruntled Sapling

Call it.

>>91147017
She said she had to because it was on her schedule, not that she was forced to. If they were literally forcing her, they wouldn't have agreed to reschedule the second day when she decided to take a stand and didn't budge. Even when Chloe was sad, she still said she understood they had a schedule to keep. Something that, curiously, the MTL version of YT transcript some anons spread /here/ decided to skip
She literally said it was neither hers nor management's fault in her graduation announcement.

>>91147007
WTF? I love Susei now! Too bad about Chloe

>>91148384
Drama tourist from a normalfag board or Suischizo

>>91146601 (OP)
Lazies are not welcome. Hololive's big filter is happening, hopefully.

>>91147574
Matsuri.
(Also keep in mind that not counting ID, there are only a grand total of 4 "shitters" including Matsuri who averaged 3k)

>talent says they want to do something
>management schedules and plans things
>talent becomes flaky and lazy since they didn't realize how much work it was
Management's hand is forced at this point. They can't just waste that much in terms of resources because "tummy hort" which we know fauna has every other week.
What suisei says is in line with things we know. The girls can often opt out of things. I don't know if everything is possible to opt out of though. But i don't think a talent has ever been terminated due to opting out of stuff.

>>91148437
sure buddy. keep believing that. Also santa is real.

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In my opinion, the talent are not overworked

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>>91148384
I am a Holofan since 2018, a Shiokko
I hate the direction cover is heading, specially when compared to back then
Most of newfags will never understand what we lost when the original Holosummer was banned forever
When we lost the absolute sex of Shion's and Matsuri's swimsuits
And Cover kept changing, they kept getting more and more prudish and corporate
And I just don't want to stay silent anymore anon, I am tired with that bullshit

>>91146601 (OP)
>Just talk to your fucking oshi
>Fauna don't graduate!
>No
Gee thanks Suisei!

>>91148345
If she was literally forced, she should be suing cover. That's illegal, even in japan.

>>91148724
Just kill yourself. Problem solved.

>>91148620
I was on your side before you outed yourself as a Santa denier

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>>91148273
>Popular demand
I remember, management was busy ignoring fans requests back then for a new holoEN gen.

>>91148788
cant you faggots fuck off and play dustborn or some other piece of shit made for your kind?

>>91148724
>Shiokko
Don't worry anon.You did not miss anything

>>91148606
>terminated due to opting out of stuff.
Not necessarily a termination since that's reserved for worse cases but they do lose management favor and lose future possible opportunities, they can even get ignored more than when management ghosts talents.

>>91146601 (OP)
>Says that you can choose to not do X or Y
Shiori and IRyS have confirmed they have declined things management wanted them to do like collabs, i think the problem is when management refuses to give the ok to the talents ideas way too often and this can be a problem if the talent is proactive, hopefully Fauna and Chloe will find success now that they will strike on their own.

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>>91148582
Hololive was always the place of lazies you fucking tourist
That was the difference, it was not just any generic idol group that strain their talents thin
It was about having fun, it was about the teetee, it was about the talents having fun interactions and screwing around as they wish
And now we have this soulless husk of what Cover once was
You will never understand just how different Cover is now compared to how Cover was before gen 4
Until gen 3 it was the golden years, less restrictions, lot of fun moments, most of the emblematic things that made Hololive succeed come from here
But then gen 4 comes in turbulent times, shit happens, stuff gets more strictive, and Coco spreads the fucking culture to the normies

Now we are here, with the medium full of normies, full of fucking rules, and with nothing done with actual heart, just the corporate in mind
It was hardly Coco's fault, because if she didn't do it, someone else would do it at some point, but the management is killing all semblance of what was actually fun

I just want to go back to the true Hololive that I have grown fond of
To the Hololive I came to love and cheer
Not to the corporate slop machine that is becoming that new Hololive that keep pushing their talents in the meat grinder to keep making forced half-hearted shit
90% of HoloEN's songs are mass-produced low quality ass with no heart

Corporate shills should fucking die

>here’s how NijiEN can still win
You aren’t slick, op.

>>91146601 (OP)
susei was really tone deaf with this take. not very considerate of her

>>91149047
I hope you posted this from a computer made of coconuts and wires.

>>91148620
So Chloe decided to lie on her way out to protect management (who, intentionally or not, damaged her health)?

>>91149047
I just saw the best thing ever earlier today and yesterday, go watch twitch faggot

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>>91146601 (OP)
>management is hard huh?
>we're not forced to do anything
>I like where the company is headed
How many graduations in one year again? Why can't they strike a balance for all talents?

Cover can do what the fuck it wants, but pretending their shit doesn't stink when popular girls are leaving is so dumb. Here's another McDonalds + Coca Cola ad with your favorite vtuber Sakura Miko!

Reminder that blue dorito made Irys sing so much she permanently damaged her throat

>>91149257
And nothing of value was lost

>>91149050
Anon, they shitted on NijiEN in the end of the post
Fucking read

>>91149027
>take all the sponsorship jobs
>get more sponsorships in the future
>reject sponsorship jobs
>don't get more sponsorships in the future
Oh my god Cover is such a black company why are they giving the prestige jobs to the people who have a good track record?

>>91149164
>Why can't they strike a balance for all talents?
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

>>91149257
>sing
Yeah haha... "sing"

>>91149047
Why don't you just ask your oshi if she wants to go back to the hololive of 4 years ago.

>>91149305
>offer one person a 30s ad for McDonalds that pays $20k
>Offer another person a 6 episode high effort produced shilling effort for a online store that pays less than they'd earn streaming on an average single stream

wow I just dont understand why some people take the opportunities and some dont, it's a complete mystery

>>91146987
no, she obviously meant you have to get good enough at a game your oshi likes that she contacts you herself

>>91149465
the person who got the former did the latter already, that's the point. You don't give your prestige jobs to the bottom rung.

>>91149556
retard

>>91149164
That's the thing their defence would have worked in a normal graduation but now it just feels disingenuous to act like there hasn't been graduations in close succession among top talents.

>>91146601 (OP)
>as if that wouldn't result in an instant chat ban due sounding like a hater no matter how you try to spin it
Sounds like you have a shit oshi.

>>91149615
>Top talents
There it is again kek, even Aqua and Ame are not TOP TALENTS

>>91149615
Aqua and Fauna are 'top talents' in the wrong places. Places that didn't bring in enough money for the corporation.

>>91149164
management is great if you're one of the 10 people the managers like
just like niji lmao

>>91149396
Retard

>>91149736
>>91149750
>aqua
>not a top talent
This is literally just historical revisionism lmao

>>91149465
Well, Suisei herself takes on sponsorships the other girls didn't want to do but management thinks would be great for future relationship building. The last obvious time was when she was shilling Photoshop on Christmas, but there's plenty of those. Hololive thrives because there are team players like Suisei who are willing to think of the big picture and do what's required even if it doesn't pay as much.

>>91149736
>>91149750
Aqua left because of her autism with feeling ""corporate", not because of the direction.

>>91149879
Aqua left because her manager forced to her to leave. Stop making sense.

>>91149844
Do you think adobe and amiami are in the same league of sponsorship? I already thought people making this argument were being retarded but jesus christ

>>91149901
retard.

>>91149918
That was merely the last example, my developmentally challenged friend.

>>91149831
She hasn't streamed consistently for years same with Ame, you could say the same about Gura but she's a hard outlier and became the Mario of Hololive.

>>91149920
I’m pretty certain he was being sarcastic.

>>91149985
maybe, I'm tired.

>>91149844
> she was shilling Photoshop
Wow now I really hate her. Adobe are rancid cunts and their $30 cancellation fees can go right to hell.

>>91149963
Aqua had a gorrilion rabid fans. Her streams would always put her near the top of the superchat list for the month, and she had merch out the fucking ass that would fly off the shelves. Aqua was one of Hololive's most highest grossing talents. Even her graduation had about 750k viewers which is more than any other holo graduation or stream in history.

>>91148437
>not that she was forced to

>I told her I couldn't do it, but she said she couldn't help it.
> I was like, “Are you serious?”

>I really didn't want to do the take, and then after that, I was like, “Oh, my God, I'm going to have to do the take".
> I was like, “No, this can't be happening." I mean, there were two mistakes on the management's side, and I was like, “Oh, no, that can't be right." I was like, “Oh my God, that's not possible.
> I was really upset and depressed, and I went home and cried. I know it's like, “Don't cry, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry.
>But I was so depressed.
> I thought I had to say it more strongly, but this time it didn't matter what I said.
> I'm not sure if it's because I'm not feeling well. I'm sorry, but I just can't help it if I'm sick.
>I think it's especially true for Corona, but it doesn't matter to Mane-chan, who's willing to take on the challenge.

>>91148437
>Even when Chloe was sad, she still said she understood they had a schedule to keep.

>I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have a schedule that keeps you in poor shape, of course I can understand that you're scheduling your work and I understand that you're trying to get people to listen to you.
> But if you really want to do what you want to do, if that's what you're aiming for, it's definitely not a good time to do it.

Fucking liar

>>91149047
Wow, that's a lot of crying.

Has any of you fags ever had a job?

>>91149047
Post membership sister!

>>91146601 (OP)
>>Glazes the management up constantly and tries to make a thousand different excuses of why they are not at fault at any given instance, with her doing so in a podcast too before the graduations en masse got announced

100+ posts of people calling each other liars, yet I didn't see a single person point out that not only is this a blatant lie, in that Twitter Space she did she not only didn't defend management, she attacked them hard enough that her fans were begging for her to stop talking and nuke the archive so long as she's still not fired.

>>91150457
I have a career, my company treats me well because they understand it'd be very hard to replace me. Dont compare your burger flipping to talented people

>>91146601 (OP)
she seems really confused about how this works. probably one of those people who can't understand hypothetical questions

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>>91150713
Anon, there's a limit of how much you can lie and still have people trust it
This board might be full of retards, but they aren't retarded enough for that

The Hololive members are funding their own covers, MVs and 3D lives. So there is no way they are being force to do idol stuff

>>91151370
They are in fact told how to spend their own money by cover, Marine and Pekora have both complained about this

>>91151388
>They are in fact told how to spend their own money by cover
I don't believe this. Cover has no leverage in how the talents spend their money unless they want to Cover to lend them.

>>91148437
>She said she had to because it was on her schedule, not that she was forced to.
So you're saying she was actively overworking herself to the point of constantly going to the doctors because... she wanted that?

Then why is she leaving, retard?

>>91151388
Managing their production budget is different from forcing them to do idol activities

Are nijisisters still trying? You have a rapist in your company, go do something about him

>>91151496
>I don't believe this.
Anon there was a whole fucking month of this shit when Senchou talked about it.

>>91151593
mel

>>91151640
you missed the other sentence.

>>91149080
Strongest corposhill argument

>>91146601 (OP)
>why don't you talk to your oshi
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this. Suisei has already talked about how she doesn't really care for others expectations of what she should be doing as her content yet she's giving advice that is antithetical to her own beliefs.

>>91149164
I'm McLoving it!

>>91151733
I know, I just quoted that part because it was a level of newfaggotry I haven't seen in a while.
Actually wait, that retard who thought Kizuna was a part of Cover probably tops that.

>>91151747
you are mixing the lyrics and theme from TEMPLATE for something she actually said. She never said that.

>>91151823
I'm talking about Tetris. Well not just tetris but also kinda sorta Tetris.

>>91149844
Hololive works because of the goodwill built by talents like Fauna, not because anybody likes BigMacs ads.

>>91151863
yeah, and she never explicitly said that.

>>91151747
Its one of the reasons why I hate this blue whore
She has many times complained about things being simple to solve in a way, when she herself is against such solutions historically
She does that in many times she complains about how X or Y work, why X or Y isn't how she wants, and why fans aren't doing Z instead
She is manipulative as fuck, she always was, and if Holo has a downfall then I am sure that she will be one of the main reasons

>>91151747
It's a rhetorical question, you're missing what she is saying.
She's saying that your oshi does the idol stuff because they want to and just saying that cover is forcing them would be spitting on their efforts. So go and tell her in the face that she doesn't have to do it while she is spending time money and effort into preparing her birthday live and see how insulting it would be to her.

>>91151914
She has explicitly talked about how peoples perceptions of her and what her content should be are at odds with what she wants her content to be so shes decided to say "fuck it" and do what she wants first and foremost. That's kind of Suisei's thing, and it's something I admire a lot because some vtubers are terrified of not playing FOMO games or finishing playthroughs or not becoming the XYZ(Tetris) streamer, and in that regard I wish 100% of vtubers could be more like her in that regard. I'm just pointing out the irony in her of all people saying that you "should talk to your oshi" about what she should be doing.

>>91150124
Everyone who leaves Hololive should be smeared, please follow the narrative.

>>91151747
>Suisei has already talked about how she doesn't really care for others expectations of what she should be doing as her content
She has repeatedly said she reads her Youtube comments and Twitter hashtags for feedback, and even though she is these days too busy to spend enough time, most of her streams are zatsudans with explicit Q&A sessions at the end.

>>91146601 (OP)
also real easy for her to say when she livestreams 10 times in a month at BEST. fuck off, blue woman

>>91151575
>Budget
Cover doesn't pay for shit.

>>91146601 (OP)
>Clearly benefits from management and their decisions on 99% of the time
Where did she benefit when she was being actively neglected back in 2019-2021? Or more recently with Hoshimatic?
>Glazes the management up constantly and tries to make a thousand different excuses of why they are not at fault at any given instance, with her doing so in a podcast too before the graduations en masse got announced
She interviewed a vtuber turned manager for the radio show where she doesn't even pick the guests. She literally teaches indies NOT to trust management to be good at anything.
>Still tries to play it off as if she does too have problems with management when she clearly has a voice and they steer in her direction when she does complain
The only time she ever got favored by management was when they surprised her with TFT. Mostly everything else is well documented as being shit she actively seeks out.
>Says that you could always just "Ask your oshi if she would be fine doing streaming activities only" as if that wouldn't result in an instant chat ban due sounding like a hater no matter how you try to spin it
Is it really that hard not to sound like a fucking sperg? You can easily word things in a way that makes it clear you're voicing your thoughts, and you can do that more easily in comment sections.
>Says that you can choose to not do X or Y stuff in Hololive, even though we are sure she never ever bothered asking if she could not do it herself because she is in every fucking event and celebration because it fits with her ideal company
What? She wasn't even in Blue Journey (and I remember the catalog endlessly bitching about it saying "oh she thinks she's too good for it".

What a shit thread, what even is this?

>>91151747
>>91151955
>>91151999
Anon, that point is supposed to be about those holos whose fanbase perceive want to do something else (e.g. streaming all day) but can't "because of management enforced duties". As in, "talk to your oshi so you let them know it's ok for her to do what she really wants to do", not "talk to your oshi so she does what you want her to do".

>>91151973
>So go and tell her in the face that she doesn't have to do it while she is spending time money and effort into preparing her birthday live and see how insulting it would be to her.
Yeah, I would feel very insulted to when people complain to me when I am doing a fuck ton of things I hate but I am obligated to

>>91151885
Is there any Hololive talent that haven't shilled a product before?

>>91152003
We're literally in a thread smearing someone staying in Hololive, please do not question the OP.

>>91151999
>you "should talk to your oshi" about what she should be doing.
She didn't. Everyone's taking the sentence out of context. She is saying that you shouldn't assume about why they're doing what they are doing.

>>91146601 (OP)
suisei was a literal nepohire what do you expect from her?

>>91152542
What is it with Suisei threads and posting things that are literally wrong.

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>>91152542
>suisei
>nepohire

>>91152572
Throw shit at the wall until it sticks

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It appears my superiority has led to some controversy

>>91152542
I'm OP, and man, what the hell are you talking about

>>91152572
Suischizo is having an episode. I think Budokan break him for good.

>>91153038
*broke him

I need more context, someone ask Suisei about this "heated topic" or she talks about it out of nowhere?

>>91153118
>context
>in a schizo thread
heh

>>91153118
Suisei hasn't streamed for a few days after the graduation announcements and had a zatsudan stream a few days ago and collected some topics from what she did the last few days. "How is everyone feeling after the graduations" was one of them and she talked about this topic.

>>91146846
refusing anything from someone higher in the company is a huge taboo in japan
they give you the option but if you ever take it you are ostracized

You fags are really jelly of Suisei. Not her fault your oshi is less talented and hardworking than her.
She and a few others set the bar on how a Hololive talent should be, if the lazy whore (most likely an EN bitch) that you support doesn't like it she can return to her indie failed channel

>>91153409
when the fag is false

>>91153245
So she picked this topic herself? That's quite stupid ngl

>>91153743
t. guy who makes these threads

>>91153522
JP Holos do that quite often. It's why the seethe in >>91151747 is so retarded, the C-part of the stream is not just a superchat thanking session, it's the part where they pick questions (supaing not required to have your question read, that's why it's C-part not Superchat Thanking Session) from the audience and answer them. The JPs don't really avoid "hard" questions that much, on the contrary many of them seem to clearly prefer to deal with sometimes very stupid rrats head on. These also rarely get clipped and translated since nobody in the West knows about shitposting on JP Twitter really.

>>91153522
Addressing the elephant in the room is better than pussyfooting around it.

>>91148724
Then do something about Blackrock and other US investors and not about Cover.

>>91152066
>Where did she benefit when she was being actively neglected back in 2019-2021?
Why do hoshiyomis and 35p continue to do this shit? That was years ago, not a single fucking person could even begin to argue that Suisei isn't one of the most supported members now.

>>91146601 (OP)
Who is the Millie, Enna and Vox of Hololive?

>>91146601 (OP)
It's LITERALLY fine when Hololive does it

>>91154716
So someone asked her then she gives her answer? It's different than reading some tweet when she egosa then decided to talk about it on stream
>>91154767
There is no elephant, people that says stupid shit like they got forced etc, they don't watch stream, they are falseflaggers

>>91147079
That's a stupid take then, streaming is only easy when you sit there doing nothing and just playing the game. Being an entertaining streamer is work.

>>91155067
Holosummer got banned before Cover opened to the public anon
It was way more than that, many things caused the changes, but they are mostly just the management being in fear of take downs and never reversing it
They are one of the strongest powers in YT streaming world now and they still have so much faggotry and restrictions that were made to protect them when they would get falsely taken down left and right

How many times is she gonna defend management while there's footage of the majority of the members shitting on them?

>>91146601 (OP)
>e-elira
Can nijifags stop tying everything back to your PTSD from Selen. Shittalking management is a longstanding pastime for Suisei, she is the last glazer. Her point is the who girls do performances do it because they want to. They can easily opt for other content, like Fauna always did. Aqua and Chloe will still be doing idol activities after leaving but at a smaller scale, they aren't going to just be regular streamers, that wasn't the problem.

>>91146601 (OP)
>makes up shit and screeches about it
>screeches even more when holos call out your bullshit rrats

>>91156921
Insane cope

>>91146601 (OP)
Didn't Kiara said basically the same thing in her member's stream? She said the girls could opt out of fes if they wanted

>>91146601 (OP)
if benefitting from a situation is enough to dismiss everything someone says as a conflict of interest, then having a disagreement with a situation is enough to dismiss everything they say as sour grapes
the truth is obviously somewhere in the middle and the opinions of faux revolutionaries who are just bored and want to watch the world burn should be discarded

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>>91146601 (OP)
STOP NOTICING

>>91149164
>Why can't they strike a balance for all talents?
Cover knows fans are starting to realize that management is the main cause for graduations which is the reason for the recent damage control. The EN talents avoided saying anything negative about Fauna but they were given a list of talking points. How they liked their job, how they liked the direction of Hololive, and how they weren't forced to do stuff. The first two I generally think are true but the last talking point is where I am skeptical. There are definitely times management will twist their arms if they refuse and they aren't treated as optional. The JP talents were openly complaining about the Aventure Holic MV and it was obvious they weren't given any choice on that. The same is likely true for paywall concerts like Holofes and that management will punish talents who don't fly out to Japan.

>>91157883
>Talents working for a Japanese company that don't want to work for a Japanese company are somehow faultless.
You are the reason your country is a shithole, you not liking something means nobody should be allowed to like it.

>>91148792
Santa is real, he just doesn't gift you presents, he molests you in your sleep instead.
t. was pretending to be asleep when it happened

>>91149164
>Why can't they strike a balance for all talents?
>Cover can do what the fuck it wants, but pretending their shit doesn't stink when girls are leaving is so dumb.
These are all things Suisei said around Aqua's graduation by the way while telling Cover to do it firmly.

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trying too hard nijinigger/dogfucker-kun

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>>91156438
Nobody here watches JP so they can just take out of context clips bits, project any kind of sentiment they want, and then plaster it all over the catalog and people won't question it if makes shitposting continue. Suisei was spot on with this.

>>91148724
>And Cover kept changing, they kept getting more and more prudish and corporate
>And I just don't want to stay silent anymore anon, I am tired with that bullshit
Too late, IPO has happened

>>91148384
Nijisister

>>91148606
This

>>91147111
>>91147173
>>91158446
It is dishonest shit like this that makes me think everyone engaging with these threads is a disingenuous faggot brained dramanigger. Sakamata's situation was really bad and it's awful that it had to get to that point, Cover is to blame here, but to pretend like this is the norm for everyone when this was the only time it happened to her and you also leaving out the part where she explicitly told management she couldn't do it anymore and they complied with her is some prime nijinigger shit. She quite literally talks about how her personal manager apologized and took care of her so that it wouldn't happen again, and it didn't. But you niggers don't actually give a shit about her and how she felt, you just want to shit up the place and gossip using her as a weapon. Vile scum.

>>91146601 (OP)
>blue
>woman
Not even once.

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>>91146601 (OP)
This is ok. Hololive is an idol company, if you don't want to do idol things you can quit. There is no problem.

>>91148582
>Lazies are not welcome
This>>91149047 a whole gen is literally nepo hire hags and one of them doesn't even game.

>>91156438
>Chloe
Lol

>>91158015
No one is saying you can't like the idol side of Hololive but if Cover is forcing the EN talents to fly to Japan to record paywall concerts than it would explain why Fauna was upset with management for refusing to compromise. She could have made 3D recordings at home but the movements would have been more limited and seems like management flat out refused to consider that option. Cover wants fans to care about the talents but management doesn't want to compromise with them.

>>91146601 (OP)
It's honestly a good thing. Suisei's fans will never again be able to deny that she has had management cock in every orifice.

>>91158718
Did you just realize that? The suischizo threads are all about just taking whatever innocuous thing Suisei said and twisting it in the most dramafag way possible while also blatantly lying.

>>91146601 (OP)
I stand with Bae.
I stand with IRyS.
I stand with Miko.
I stand with Suisei.
Simple as.

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>>91146601 (OP)
It is public knowledge that Suisei has fought with management many times before. The other members just need to stop being such stereotypical Japanese women about it and get on her level.

>>91159308
Stop samefagging retard. Chloe specifically said she was overworked. suisei denied that outright implying chloe was lying and tried to dump blame onto fans in defense of management. She sucks.That or she is simply unaware in which case she should shut her mouth instead of looking like a liar.

>>91159436
>m-muh samefag!!
Fuck off nigger, yes Sakamata was overworked, but also she talked to management and they sorted it out. Like I said, it's shitty that it even had to come to that point, but they made up for it. They were not deliberately overworking her because they're some evil motherfuckers who are making her pump out content, they didn't realize how much she was struggling and when they communicated they eased her workload and since then she never more of those issues. Bet you didn't even know that the stream where she talked about being overworked was like 10 months ago did you? Besides, a bunch of other holos have come out to say they really do just work on whatever they decide to accept, and some have also admitted they took on more work than they thought they did. Finally, Suisei herself talked about how Sakamata had issues that prevented her from participating in that Hoshimatic song (something Sakamata wanted to do otherwise). Like I said, vile scum you are you piece of shit nigger, you don't care about how she felt, you just want to continue your little crusade by taking out of context things holos say to further your drama and then act like you know what the fuck you are talking about. Stay away from my oshi, scum.

>>91159436
There are plenty of private entrepreneurs, or even students that are overworked. That does not mean that somebody forced them to do all the work. People overwork themselves by their own choice all the time.

>>91159789
Yeah, you're a same fag. You either came in and scrolled until you found a positive/defensive suisei post or you responded to yourself 15 minutes later. Either way you are a faggot.

>>91159827
>There are plenty of private entrepreneurs, or even students
Who's the boss of either of those people?

>>91146601 (OP)
nice short novel you wrote but there are talents in EN and JP that just coast, focus on streaming, and don't shill so I believe her

>>91159936
Fuck off, I don't give a shit about what you say about Suisei, I care about how you're using Sakamata to bullshit your way through your hate boner niggering. I don't care if this is "suischizo" shit (whatever that means) or not, but it's clear none of you assholes give a shit about Sakamata and here you are pretending you do. I don't even know why I bother, I know the catalog is a cesspool of faggots who don't watch streams, but that doesn't change the fact you're all pieces of shit.

>>91159936
I don't understand this post. Are the Holoanti arguments so bad they have to pretend they were made to deliberately make Holoantis look bad? Or what is this anon trying to say? Is he just pretending to be retarded?

>don't address anything said
>call him a samefag
schizo got raped kek

>>91160096
>Are the Holoanti arguments so bad
Their main talking point is based on an out of context ESL as fuck "translation" from a 10 month old Chloe stream kek

>>91160063
you're right but as you realized, engaging with these dramafags is useless, they are low iq scum champing at the bit for every little info they can use in their retarded crusade of dramaniggery
it's really sad to come into these kinds of threads and see what manner of filth we share our planet with

>>91160282
I will be fair and say the translation itself is not bad, not perfect either but it doesn't swallow the important parts. My issue was that it conveniently leaves out the part where her problem with the workload got addressed and fixed, and also not considering what she's said within the last month.

>>91146601 (OP)
Based successful Stacy

>>91160352
>>91160366
Easy fix here is do your own translation, put it in an image or better, a video, and just spam the shit out of it for every anti that repeats these threads.

>>91146846
>Be a lazy piece of shit trying to use Covid tests as an excuse to not work when there's nothing wrong with you
>Boss says come in or fucking else
>Cry about it

>>91146601 (OP)
Bootlicker lmao

>>91146846
I'm gonna miss her…

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>>91158718
Yeah, they totally sorted it - which is why she talked about it in a stream about what she's graduating. HMMMMMMMMM. We unironically have Holosisters now.

>>91162473
you mean the stream where she says her health is deteriorating and can't continue working because she doesn't know if she'll recover properly to keep up? where later on she says she was offered the chance to go on an indefinite hiatus like other holos but rejected it because she didn't want to give her fans false hopes of returning in a few months? and both her and her genmates talking about how she was given absolute minimum workload after the fact? the streams are right there to be checked, anon. you're not gonna prove that anon right by acting like you know shit about JPs when you don't, right?

>>91147111
Why didn't you just talk to her?

>>91146601 (OP)
Listening to THE most privileged member of hololive in crazy

>>91163916
But anon, management was shit to her three years ago before she got really big. How can she be privileged if she suffered in the past?

>>91146601 (OP)
Let them eat cake

>>91159390
This is definitely gonna get ignored, isn’t it?

>>91164329
Of course, shitposters aren't here to discuss. They want drama and action.

>>91164329
Having to fight with management means that management is objectively bad though, so I wouldn't say it's a good point to bring up, unless all you care about is absolving Suisei.

>>91146601 (OP)
wait did the phasecuck op really just take a copypasta from someone else, change a few words and call it a day?

>>91164866
But that's the thing. Suisei could be the greatest ally of anyone genuinely interested in attacking Hololive management and it's issues, but their actions prove that the management angle is simply a smokescreen for their desire to to attack the talents instead.

>>91165289
Well the other perspective is that BECAUSE Suisei has had such troubles with management, as she's had to fight with them so much as to make the management seem objectively bad, but she still defends the management, that does make it possible to cast some doubt on her sincerity, no?
As management clearly is bad, but she defends it, so either she's just buckbroken by the system and effectively protecting her abuser, or she's afraid of the brand damage reaching her so she protects the management even though she knows they are bad.

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>>91146601 (OP)
The Elira comparison is too forced.

I have mixed feelings about Suisei here: I think she generally believes what she is saying here. Suisei is needed to push the envelope against management or against entitled fans who have a foggy view of behind the scenes. I think she is right in that communication is needed to understand your oshi vs drama and raging. She is likely right about certain things she saying here like the choice to do the birthday lives.

At the same time people are kidding themselves if they don't believe Suisei get special favors. She's pretty much mascot status and has a vested interests in promoting Hololive more so than most of the others girls. If she can't even acknowledge there are problems in Hololive that need addressing or that the other girls are being watched by management for slip ups, then she will do more harm than good in the long run.

>>91166193
maybe the other holos shouldn't be doormats, and get things done by themselves, because Suisei definitely does that.
name another holo that knows the name of every employee in the company.

>>91166193
>If she can't even acknowledge there are problems in Hololive that need addressing
Imagine suisei outright calling the lazy girls by name. Based if it happens.

>>91160550
>Easy fix for dealing with schizos. Just out-schizo them

>>91166682
I call BS. no way she knows the name of +600 employees. most of them probably have never met her.

>>91167117
well, she certainly knew the names of the people she needed to talk to when she needed Hoshimatic Project approved. Name another holo that would go the extra mile.

>>91167687
Talents should not need to go the extra mile to get clearly good things approved. Talents are supposed to focus their energy and time on content, managers are supposed to take care of the rest. Talents should not need to manage the managers so that the managers actually do their management jobs.

>>91167987
Maybe in a perfect world.

>>91168297
Maybe in a company without bad management.

>>91167987
it works for Suisei, this "favoritism" bullshit people talk about is her being tenacious and insistent with her projects.

>>91168390
We're going to pretend like it's the meek holos that get their projects denied?

>>91168455
yes.

>>91168331
You speak as if there's a company that has no bad management. You do realize how many layers of management and how many managers are in Cover now? IRyS even said that when you decide on a 3D concert, you have to play the Producer gacha.

>>91168548
Look at any positively received company and you'll see companies without bad management. You're speaking as if it's inevitable that Cover has to be bad and stay bad. The layers are irrelevant considering Cover's problem is a reoccurring theme meaning whoever is hiring and whoever is staying is corrupting the place. Remember they succeeded on a fluke where they didn't do anything and let talents pick their activities on a hands off approach.

>>91168548
No I'm not. I'm just saying that if this is how it is in Cover, they have bad management. Can you say it with me, or are you defending things on principle?
Also, if the level of layers of management really is causing it, then they should simply lay off some managers until they're left with ones who want to do the work.

>>91146601 (OP)
Uhhh holokeks? You mind explaining this one?

>>91146601 (OP)
suisei thinks its the same for everyone because she basically girlboss'd her way to her position where she basically gets preferential treatment
its obvious she doesn't understand that other holos dont have the same luxuries

>>91169107
Don't have the same balls, you mean

>>91169242
Both, they need the balls to get to the position of luxury

>>91169242
I don't want my girls to have balls, I don't want them to be trannies.

>>91166193
If you ask me, the Nijisanji shitfest just soured people on corpos and now have doubts trusting the words of any vtuber who doesn't shit talk their agency. That and the 4 graduations in a short period of time definitely spent a lot of the goodwill people had. Suisei here has not said much that hasn't been said by pretty much every other holo who's spoken about this, regardless of how "priviledged" they are, but it's easier for tourists and seanigger dramafags to dismiss them as damage control or whatever. It's especially funny since none of them have even contradicted each other, including those who graduated.

>>91158332
>>91158332

It's ironic how that same bias she's explaining is probably affecting her own views as well. How do you say that you had the most arguments with management to get where you are and still sound so tone deaf in a situation about disagreements with management?

>>91169892
>"priviledged"
>the history of the talent doesn't matter because it just doesn't okay?! They said the same thing out of context and that's the only thing that matters!
Ok, management. Never mind it's clear which holos cause more trouble than others and which have mild plans.

>>91170258
Oh I'm sorry I thought I was finally in for some actual conversation and not some retarded seanigger shitflinging trying to cling onto whatever little nitpick you could find in a post to dismiss it entirely. You sure showed that strawman who's boss though.

>>91169984
Anon, her fighting with management isn't the main point. Her main point is to not believe wild assumptions and speculations (most are pushed by antis) and just believe your oshis. It doesn't matter if her situation with management is completely different with the others because many of the holos have said that they're being treated just fine.

I don't know why I'm explaining this to you, you're clearly just here for drama.

>>91170427
>just believe your oshis.
I hate that people like Suisei and the other damage control holos use this line. The first person to say it was saying it truthfully, the rest behind her did it to fuck with you and throw PR talk into the mix.

>>91170427
>believe your oshis
I will. When cover publicly announces the removal of the NDA portion of their contract. You fucking retard.

>>91167987
If you want the responsibility of a dishwasher you only get paid the salary of a dishwasher.
Holos make upper x00k yearly, so it's completely fair to expect them to have the sort of responsibility of an equivalent paying job.

>>91170427
I understand that. The speculations she speaks about are clearly absurd in my opinion. However, there are legitimate criticisms that are overlooked. She addresses the recent graduations but only through the lens of easily disprovable points.

>>91170860
you are fucking retarded. NDA exists to stop competition from knowing the details of the job.

>>91171212
>She addresses the recent graduations but only through the lens of easily disprovable points.
That's because you're just a clipwatcher.

>>91171039
Is this a joke? They don't get paid that much, they make that money themselves through merch and supers. The actual salary is bottom line.

>>91168548
>That didn't happen.
>And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
You are here

>>91171336
Feel free to link anything. I'd love to be wrong.

>>91171387
The average holopro talent gets like 90k usd payout quarterly and that includes homos.

>>91170427
I am believing in my oshis
Just that the one I am choosing to believe is Sakamata, not the blue whore who denies that the company workload got her hospitalized

>>91171636
>who denies
where?

>>91171039
That is only true if you get offered the job of a dishwasher
The whole problem here is that what was Hololive before and what is Hololive now has clearly changed

That's equivalent of you doing the job in an office, and suddenly the company decide that you shall work in the field in some days of your work
It doesn't make it right

>>91170427
>It doesn't matter if her situation with management is completely different with the others because many of the holos have said that they're being treated just fine.

Inconsistency among management isn't exactly a good thing

>>91171636
You already got btfo by the real shiikuin in this thread

>>91171791
It's called a promotion. You get more money but also have more responsibilites.

>>91171752
>"Those aren't mandatory" "We can do whatever we want"
Geez, I wonder where things like that were said, if only I had eyes...

>>91171752
Literally in the fucking OP image you dumb ass.

>>91171926
where's the denial?

>>91171636
Faker
>>91158718
>>91159789

>>91172135
Already disproved.
>>91162473
Stupid guy even walked back on his points in his reply here >>91162918
>absolute minimum workload

>>91171636
Terrible, desperate attempt, sister.

>>91172237
>>91171928
>>91171926
sister... lol

>>91171926
>>91171928
I don't know which one's funnier: A shitposter coming in repeating anti lies attacking a talent not noticing they already got BTFO'd by an actual fan or a pro-talent fan coming in in repeating anti lies attacking a talent not noticing they already got BTFO'd by an actual fan.

>>91172237
I think you're not really keeping up with what's being said here but I suspect you're too ESL to actually understand. Don't even pretend you understand what JP holos say, on that note.

>the canaries in the coal mines start dropping
>people say everything is fine, there was just something wrong with those canaries

You'd think people would be a little warier after the neighboring coal mine fucking exploded

>>91172508
Listen to what Suisei said and listen to what Sakamata said and get back to me. If you find zero contradiction, you're being disingenuous.

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>>91148384
Disgruntled Sapling. I can't blame them tho. I even wonder if the Kronii is possibly partially to blame. Nijiniggers/Nijisisters refuse to acknowledg Elira covering it up, and in fact I think when an anon says "phasecuck" I assume they are nijisisters/nijiniggers.

I actually would assume this is more of something different. A weaponized autist anons high on the noticing and love to analyze drama, and churing out rrats. I think something like rrat is a good description because they love developing them and the methodology in how they created them.

>>91172135
>>91172336
>>91172378
Quit same-fagging, it will just make you look dumb
Specially when you write every single post with the same fucking pattern,
Anon on >>91172237 already said all needed so I won't go further, but stop being so retarded
Chloe was overworked to the point that she not only got sick, but hospitalized, its serious shit, and then Suisei comes and dismiss it as something that is just her fault and could be her choice? Of course I am fucking mad

The comparison with Niji works because she is acting like them, doing the same bullshit, pretending everything is fine and that they could always do whatever they want and that it just reached such situation because of something that was absolutely not their fault at all
I fucking hate it, I hated Niji when they did it, and I hate Suisei specifically for doing it now, and I will hate Holo as a whole if they start doing it in its entirety
Nijisisters are annoying, we don't need Holosisters, fucking think critically and fight for the fucking oshis and not the fucking corpo
Hololive is in a situation where it can still all be salvaged, but they are also at one step from becoming deep shit if they steer in that direction, cater to corporation and watch it become shittier with time

>>91146601 (OP)
Sisters are desperate to use recent happenings to turn the tables on Hololive huh.

>>91172637
>trying to write like the real fan just to pass his anti posting as real
lol

>>91172637
Since it's already over and you're only going to dig yourself deeper, please satisfy my curiosity a bit. Do you get a dopamine hit calling people disingenous while being disingenous yourself? Or do you simply not feel shame about anything you do? Or is it even (though I find it hard to believe this to be the case) that you genuinely believe what you say, but are simply hell-bent on getting the last word in any argument and struggle to correct your views when offered new information or shown old information was false?

>>91172774
Retard

>>91147111
but suisei is right. why didn't chloe just say "I won’t be able to take on additional tasks right now because the workload is too much"

>this whole thread
What the fuck is wrong with you people?!?!??

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>>91172508
>>91172921
>>91173034
>>91172378
>>91172336
>>91172135
And you are calling others ESL?

>>91173236
Now at the time of which I was speaking, as the voters were inscribing their ostraka, it is said that an unlettered and utterly boorish fellow handed his ostrakon to Aristides, and asked him to write Aristides on it. He, astonished, asked the man what possible wrong Aristides had done him. "None whatever," was the answer, "I don't even know the fellow, but I am tired of hearing him everywhere called 'The Just.' " On hearing this, Aristides made no answer, but wrote his name on the ostrakon and handed it back. Finally, as he was departing the city, he lifted up his hands to heaven and prayed — a prayer the opposite, as it seems, of that which Achilles made — that no crisis might overtake the Athenians which should compel the people to remember Aristides.

>>91159390
aqua is shit at talking so this means nothing
remember aqua goes radio silent

>>91172774
Literally everything you talked about was already addressed, I think you unironically really are an ESL or you're just falseflagging as a concerned party to continue shitposting in a thread nobody gives a shit about anymore. Chloe said she was being overworked but shitposters love leaving out the part where she said she didn't communicate as she thought she should have to let them know it was harming her, and once she did she had her workload significantly reduced (as much as you could considering you're still in a corpo), and nearly a year later she was given the option to go on hiatus for as long as she needed, where she decided it was better to go affiliate. Chloe's case was extreme given her health condition, but this situation where holos take more work than they think they can handle is something a shit fuckton of them have talked about before.

Cover fucked up there big time by not being more attentive from the start, but they did their best to rectify it once they knew it was a real issue, and you're a niggerfaggot for acting like this is the norm for all holos. "ayyy holosanji!! its turning into holosanji!!" not even fucking close, bitch. Nobody's falling for your shit.

>>91173275
>melty

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>>91173275
hahaha look at this retard.
>inb4 you edited it
I don't need to prove it to you, I already know that the other people you quoted here think you're retarded too.

>>91173350
>this situation where holos take more work than they think they can handle is something a shit fuckton of them have talked about before.

It seems pretty clear to me they're not being forced, but there's pressure. Some girls like Shiori have the wherewithal to just say "lol fuck off", but some are either more susceptible to the pressure or getting different treatment.

>>91173350
>but they did their best
which is coincidentally why fauna graduated right?

>>91146601 (OP)
kwab

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>>91147058
once a month would do...

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>>91173350
Not only did that other anon lie, but you are trying to lie while saying that she was offered to work less when she was already overworked for an entire year, and only after that year?
Anon, if you want to write bullshit, at least be smart about it, anyone that watches Chloe, no, anyone who has even seen Chloe in at least some collabs would see the difference between the years
Really anon? That was your pathetic attempt?

>>91173736
Forced and pressure are the same thing. If it's not clear you can deny with no consequences, then you were coerced.

>>91148724
>Holosummer was banned forever
>When we lost the absolute sex of Shion's and Matsuri's swimsuits
>And Cover kept changing, they kept getting more and more prudish and corporate

you shouild know that was actually youtube fault, they triple banned choco channel enough to turn her into a menhera

>>91174138
No, he's right. Others can have more explicit content just fine. Choco's thing is stupid and a filter on her tits. She just had a bad draw on the algorithm.

>>91173998
>but you are trying to lie while saying that she was offered to work less when she was already overworked for an entire year, and only after that year?
Literally nobody said that, you need to check your reading comprehension.

>>91146601 (OP)
Cunt