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>>48364170 (OP)
Mrs.Maebara above K1
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>>48364260
Keiichi is SO lucky...
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That Keiichi is a lucky guy
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>>48364294
something's off with those proportions.
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>>48364294
Shion teaching Satoko paizuri techniques using Satoshi's comatose body as a training dummy.
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>>48365010
let him sleep
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>>48364294
Imagine all the raunchy sex they have with Keiichi and Satoshi
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Imagine all the raunchy sex with Keiichi and Satoshi
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>>48365153
This is the real SatoKei
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>>48364260
i miss knowing what long28 was posting behind those paywalls...
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"Ah, this is great, Kanon-kun. Just the three of us. You, me, and the tulpa you've built between us. If I were to die right now in some sort of fiery explosion due to the carelessness of a friend, well, that'd would just be ok."
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>>48364294
I want a rimjob from these ladies
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>>48368859 →
>Eh, even Rena is said to take notes from Keiichi. The branch school's lessons by themselves definitely aren't enough for the higher grades it has.
There's no issues with Rena taking notes from Keiichi. The story very clearly had the intention of showing that it was Mion's sloppiness rather than the school being at fault since at no point does she or any of her friends mention that it didn't teach her how to factorize. Keiichi pointing out that she lost the argument shows that she really should have known these concepts by now, otherwise he would have defended her by blaming the school.
>Matsuribayashi is pushing this as "standard" Mion, not something special to Matsuribayashi itself.
I mean, none of the other asspulls I mentioned can be explained with memory leaks either, meaning they're just as "standard" as this. I was trying to say that this was just Ryukishi not giving a damn about consistency anymore.
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>>48369209
>The story very clearly had the intention of showing that it was Mion's sloppiness rather than the school being at fault since at no point does she or any of her friends mention that it didn't teach her how to factorize.
I mean, the story you're talking about there is one of the possible post-Matsuribayashi world that's incompatible with almost any other post-Matsu story, not the main VN.

My point is that the VN noting Rena (who is clearly supposed to be both smart and a dedicated student) taking notes from Keiichi shows how lagging the branch school overall is due to its very structure.
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>>48369905
Not sure how it's incompatible, it happens before Gou's timeskip, and more importantly it does show what Ryukishi thinks nonetheless. Also Rena taking notes from Keiichi doesn't really imply that at all, that's a pretty hard stretch. It's completely normal.
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I hate umineko
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>>48370832
umineko hates you.
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I love Umineko
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>>48370926
I support you sis
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>>48370784
>Not sure how it's incompatible, it happens before Gou's timeskip
Rika's characterization is like the opposite of Saikoroshi (she fears going outside of the loops and needs development for that rather than feeling invincible now that she won the loops). Hanyuu is also still around physically unlike in Saikoroshi and we see her still being there in human form in early 84 at least (Note in Saikoroshi they don't even mention her even when Rika has been in the hospital for one month, so it's not just a matter of her taking spirit form temporarily).

R07's write up at the end of Kokoroiyashi is all about infinite fragments branching from Matsuribayashi. So, that's definitely the author's intention.

>Also Rena taking notes from Keiichi doesn't really imply that at all, that's a pretty hard stretch. It's completely normal.

Nah, they note alongside that Mion taking notes from Keiichi in a negative sense (since she should be in an upper grade). It's clearly meant to show that the education there is lacking, which makes completely sense considering its very structure, with the mixed class and a single teacher.
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shitoko
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The Lord be praised, Kanon has come to visit us!
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>>48365529
Satoshi is the dom in the relationship
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>>48371671
get out of my fag, I prefer your sister
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>>48371689
get out of my way*
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>>48371689
>get out of my fag
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Emasculating Keiichi is not funny and I am tired of pretending it is.
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>>48371689
Oh, we're going to open the catbox after a bottle of wine tonight!
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>>48371723
It was a joke? I thought those were just gay anons.
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>>48371723
We don't joke here
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>>48371497
But Gou doesn't really care about Saikoroshi, everyone here thought it had been retconned up until one scene referenced it even though it contradicts it. Also that's not really relevant here, rather it's the fact that what happened to Mion in Kokoroiyashi stems from something that happened in the VN and makes sense for her character and shows that Ryukishi did consider her to be a bad student.

>Nah, they note alongside that Mion taking notes from Keiichi in a negative sense (since she should be in an upper grade). It's clearly meant to show that the education there is lacking,
That's more on Keiichi coming from a better school on top of being considered a gifted child, but it doesn't change the fact that, even with what the school was actually teaching, Mion was lackluster keeping up with it and simply leeched off her younger classmate.
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>>48371671
he's so cute
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homosexual hours
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I know this is just everyone giving a cover story for K1 but I love the little detail of Mion injecting her fantasy of K1 rejecting Shion
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>>48372496
Man Keiichi doesn't even need porn mags, he gets into situations in his daily life that he can use as fap material.
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>>48372496
The real funny part is that Shion will have to back this claim up to keep up the cover story.
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>>48372527
It'd be more believable if she didn't and the twins start bickering over it.
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>>48372536
Looks like they're trying to make him grope them.
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>>48372496
I like Higurashi but I forgot how much of its mysteries rely on an insane series of coincidences, no one communicating and a fictional supervirus. Hard to believe there were people who couldn't accept Shkanontrice in Umineko because "R07 would never write a mystery that ridiculous"
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>>48372558
I feel like miscommunication and wacky pathogens are a lot more understandable (and common in fiction too) than somehow no character ever noticing that Kanon, Shannon and Beatrice had the same facial structure. It was even mentioned that Genji made sure for the staff roll to never include both Shannon and Kanon at the same time because then the secret would be found out. But then when he can't stop it from happening in 1984, nobody is able tell the difference anyway so...?????? what was even the point.
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>>48372542
>Looks like
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>>48372595
By the same token, I could say Shkanon's method of disguise is also common in fiction. Using a change in demeanor and clothes to hide your identity is what Superman does. My main problem with Umineko's mystery is the whole person = persona stuff and how it works with the red. eg its said in red Shannon's death in EP 3 wasn't a suicide, implying a framing of the Beatrice persona killed the Shannon persona which is very funny.
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>>48372662
Did you just imply that people don't think Superman's disguise is also absolutely nonsensical? That's like, one of the most common comic book jokes ever.
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>>48372595
Part of the problem there also is that Umineko smugly claims to follow certain rules, while Higurashi doesn't. So Higurashi's trick of brain parasites twisting people's perceptions is absurd, but there's no reason not to accept it, while Umineko's disguise trick while maybe less fantastic is going to get nitpicked more.
Not that said disguise trick would actually be good without the rules (we're never given any idea of how much effort Shkanon puts into it- makeup? wigs?), but people might have been able to look past it and accept the story for what it is.
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>>48372728
It helps that Hinamizawa Syndrome's symptoms are actually VERY similar to a real life condition called metamphetamine psychosis. Paranoia, loss of cognizance, thinking everyone's out to get you, hallucinating about ghosts and people turning into demons, thinking there's things inside you that you need to remove. The whole shebang.
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>>48372682
They do, but they're obviously still willing to look past it to enjoy Superman. I think it's because jokes aside, in the real world, a change in demeanor and clothes really can make up a lot for similar facial structure.
>>48372728
Shannon does use makeup, yeah. But Umineko isn't really smug about following the rules. Even Knox is stated to only be a suggestion for Beato's gameboard, and wasn't even enforced in red until Lambda hijacked it. It's pretty clearly mocking people who think mysteries have to follow certain rules.
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>>48372689
I can't believe mrs maebara was blonde as a child.
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>>48372840
And we're also willing to look past this to enjoy Umineko, but it doesn't change that it's one incredibly dumb plothole nonetheless. The makeup thing doesn't seem like it's enough of a disguise because Genji didn't even want to risk it, but apparently he just got lucky I guess. It really seems like Ryukishi accidentally mixed up some script bits because this makes that scene completely pointless.
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>>48372855
There's nothing confusing about Genji's actions. The more days Shannon and Kanon are scheduled together, the more likely it is for Sayo's scheme to be exposed. The makeup excuse might work as a cover for a couple of days out of the year, but might stop working if it goes on for weeks in a row. Honestly my actual problem with Genji is why he's so quick to agree to Sayo's murder-suicide plot. "he's just that loyal/guilty" feels too shallow for such an important part of Sayo's plan.
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>>48372896
The family meetings are only a few days long though.
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>>48372751
Even not knowing that it's still very similar to general schizophrenia, with a tinge of delusional parasitosis (morgellons) and toxoplasmosa.

>>48372840
>Shannon does use makeup
when is that stated?
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>>48372751
I can't believe rena does meth.
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>>48364170 (OP)
Nothing new with When They Cry as per usuall?
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>>48373030
when ciconia fans cry.
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How did Rika come back to life at the end of Saikoroshi if she already had died from getting trucked? It's awfully convenient that Hanyuu just has the ability to bring her back to life all of a sudden.
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>>48373022
She smoked all the funny powder to stop her dad from doing it first.
This is why Rena's constantly Rena, she's just tweaking the fuck out every waking second of the day.
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>>48372751
The symptoms of HS aren't so outlandish, paranoia/hallucinations sound like a serious mental illness. It's more how people get it, it being a very localized virus, the connection to Hanyuu and her constant apologizing etc. that go into the fantastical realm.
I find it kinda interesting that while the root cause of HS is Hanyuu's magic bullshit, the symptoms and effects on the brain can be monitored and treated with modern medicine.
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>>48372998
It was in the EP 8 manga. It reveals a shit ton of things to make Shkanontrice less silly
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>>48373047
she tanked it
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>>48373047
Through the same powers that let her mind control the yamainu and stop bullets mid-air. Hanyuu's the fuckin devil, man.
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>>48373061
I don't think any of the fantastical stuff comes off as out of place considering the reader will notice that they're dealing with either a time travel or alternate universe plot from the moment they open up chapter 2. Plus, chances are they didn't notice that all the crazy demon stuff in chapter 1 were hallucinations either.
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>>48373089
I didn't mean that the fantasy aspect takes me out of the story, just that there's a clear split between the more grounded aspects of HS, and the supernatural causes of it.
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>>48373061
In some regards, real-life hallucinations are actually more outlandish than HS. They tend to offer more fantastical experiences than like, hallucinating your uncle is there when he actually isn't. I guess in that regard some might find HS to be too "convenient" and a bit of a lame answer. I think even R07 thought so at one point, since Umineko made fun of it.
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>>48373111
As long as the HS symptoms latch on to a weakness and blow it up tenfold(Satoko's guilt over Satoshi, Shion's resentment towards her family, Rena's desire to protect her "happy" life etc.), I don't think it's overly convenient.
Characters don't just do random shit, there are some leaps of logic but you can at least see what they were thinking in their fucked up mind.
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>>48373064
oh ok so it's some shit ryukishi made up after the fact, not a real in-series clue. i got it
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>>48373464
Did any jap even manage to solve the witch's epitaph before the answer was given?
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>>48373464
I didn't say it was a clue, the conversation was over how Shkanontrice could be plausible. The manga's been finished for almost a decade, few people are gonna pretend it doesn't exist to soothe your autism.
>>48373473
Yes, Witch Hunt figured it out when translating EP 5. R07 also said other players figured out in EP 3.
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>>48373047
Hanyuu outright talks about reversing time in Saikoroshi, rather than just sending Rika to another similar world. But she couldn't do it due to the fragment inside that world somehow rejecting her. So, as soon as Rika could eliminate the element rejecting Hanyuu's existence (her mother's existence as the eighth generation) Hanyuu could also bring her back. So, going just by Saikoroshi, you can see it as Hanyuu just being able to do that.

According to Higurashi Mei, it's due to that jewel Rika was using to communicate with Hanyuu in Saikoroshi, the Kamu no Mikotonori. Its true power isn't just talking between fragments, it outright can send you to a past fragment. The same explanation from above is why it couldn't just be used for that from the start though and Rika had to kill her mother (also why there was a time limit to Rika killing her mother and she had to do it before a certain point otherwise she couldn't return to her world, just like the Kamu no Mikotonori was running out of power due to Hanyuu not existing that world).
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>>48373455
cute butt
we need more butts
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>>48373136
Most of the characters actions felt believable under HS, I think it only hurt the story when theyre an answer to a "how" question in the mystery like in the case of Satoko hallucinating her uncle from nothing, twice.
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>>48373455
renas first instinct was to give them a full frontal spread
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>>48373061
I personally thought that Hanyuu was just a manifestation of the queen parasite in Rika's brain. She can have magic powers, but modern science could also just extract her and doom the multiverse by messing around with her.
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>>48373731
I think that only happens in EP 3, but yeah it's pretty egregious there. Satoko would've hallucinated her uncle over a period of several hours.
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>>48375363
then how did the rest see her in Matsuribayashi
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>>48377777 →
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>>48378028
cringe.
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All the recurrent ciconia posters that we used to have in every thread disappeared, they finally gave up hope huh.
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>>48378050
having hope is just silly after all this time
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>>48378050
I guess 5 years of nothing will do that
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>>48377776
Because anyone who sets foot in Hinamizawa seems to instantly get infected. I don't remember, but does anyone take a photograph in 8? Hanyuu probably wouldn't be in it.
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>>48366597
>that time when hanyuu somehow got ooishi's soul inside rika
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>>48372558
I wish there had been a conspiracy by the Sonozakis or another group of villagers instead of "ancient virus and feds lol".
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>>48378511
HOLY FUARK, he's literally me
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>>48378607
We are so close to it
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>The main message of reiwa is to accept your replacement and be happy with your culture being erased as long as it means the future generations are happy
LMAO
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>>48379253
From RGD we know what Ryukishi actually thinks. He's aging, and guys just cope with a changing world in different ways as they get older. Some get angrier, more cantankerous, crusty, and others find a complex means of acceptance.

They're in a situation that they can't personally change, and their personal anger about it won't affect anything, even if they shout their truth out loud from a street corner 12 hours a day. Nobody else cares enough to uproot their lives to fight for it. So they either continue a
meaningless crusade, or they invent ways to justify the status quo as something "ok."

I think what we might call that is the "coward way."
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>>48379253
After seeing the shit he put in Ciconia are you even surprised?
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>>48379410
Modern Ryukishi wouldn't have the balls to make a nazi joke like he did in Higurashi
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>>48379253
He's just appealing to his new modern audience anon, he doesn't care about you or what you think. His NEW fans liked Gou, they liked Ciconia, they liked Umineko, and from now on he's going to keep making works that appeal to his "real" fans
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>>48379469
>His NEW fans liked Gou
Did they? Even the wtc youtubers changed their tune when Sotsu came around, even the guy who first found out that Satoko was the main villain back in Watadamashi that we used to post around here at the time. You can still like the guy, like his old works, go to conventions like in that image and still think Gou was a disappointment.
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>>48379719
...speaking of which, I cannot find his videos anymore. Guess he deleted his account in the style of all those Higurashi artists who quit in disgust because of Sotsu.
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>>48379758
ep7 was a mistake.
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>>48379798
...for not being longer
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>>48379719
>Did they?
I'm moreso talking about all the new fans he got because of Gou. Look anywhere else outside of here and you'll see a large section of Higurashi fans admitting Gou was their first experience and greatly liking Satoko as a Yuri villian. Hell I still see these new "fans" grossed out by the old Higurashi content Ryukishi made like Kira or the club games Ryukishi fucked up big time by yuribaiting as hard as he did and drawing in this crowd, the same exact crowd who claims Beato is trans too
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>>48379825
The whole beato = tranny people were here aaaages before Gou mate, I think you're just mingling them together. And I'm pretty sure these shippers weren't too happy when Ryukishi not only said Satoko wasn't a lesbo in an interview and then married her to a dude in Reiwa.
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Can you guys seriously stop fucking complaining all the time? If you didn't like Gou how about you make your own story? Oh that's right you can't because you have no idea how hard it is to write a story. Higurashi Gou is an amazing sequel to Higurashi and it builds upon the work laid down from Higurashi and Umineko. Satoko and Rika are obviously Lambda and Bern so a sequel where we see these two fall in love and become witches was the most logical conclusion Ryukishi could've gone with when writing a sequel.

Satoko was a non-character with almost zero development making her seem very flat and poorly written when compared to the others and her romantic interest in Rika was clear to see from as early as Minagoroshi with Rika being the one closest to her heart. You may not like it but get over it nobody stays the same growing up. How many adults do you know act exactly how they were when they were 12?? Stop talking trash about Higurashi Gou and Umineko if you don't like them then just leave this fandom already you do not belong here.
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>>48379920
didn't read.
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i remember when there was actually enough people here for bait to be effective
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jessicafag, explain yourself
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Why does Jessica look like a white girl?
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>>48380049
Krauss couldn't perform.
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>>48380070
Krauss looks german.
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>>48379920
>Can you guys seriously stop fucking complaining all the time?
Complaining is our national sport (yes, we are a country).
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Which of the girl club members would take the
>your face is her chair for a while
Punishment game most seriously?
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>>48379989
Ryko...
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>>48380049
Probably because R07 never thought of Jessica as anything beyond "Red Herring" and "Ryonabait"
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>>48379253
The original Higurashi had a similar message with the new winds of change, and it is clear that they didn't mean change in such a black or white way. Part of Oryou's development in the answer arcs of the original Higurashi is accepting change without burning down the old. Satoko also struggled with adapting to change in Gou/Sotsu/Meguri and acted out. It's a common part of human nature. Regardless of how you feel about the comedic plot resolutions, the answer arc had some good answers to common but significant worries from the modern era. It's okay to want to preserve your culture and separate if others cause you grief, but you should also respect the personal space of others. It is also not a bad thing to defend your home and culture if threatened, as given in the example with Inori's father. The Sonozaki leader shows that sometimes big conflicts and misunderstandings may have silly roots that can be easily resolved without fighting through mutual understanding. Even someone like Marutake can be given a chance to turn around if shown the error of his ways and if he touches grass. If Marutake lets Hinamizawa live rent-free in his head, it would lead to further conflict and it's healthiest for him to leave forever in that case. However, Keiiichi also shows that forgiveness and brotherhood is possible despite his past actions. In multiple of the plot resolutions, there is also a message that it is okay to have embarrassing fetishes and hobbies. Living in the closet and letting them fester into resentment is unhealthy, but it is also fine to keep them secret as long as you don't push them on others.
I can go on, but there is a lot of meaning to be found in Irotoushi-hen if you take the time to look with an open mind. Is it extremely deep and mind-blowing? No, but it has inherent value and merit.
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Excuse my stupidity what's the reason Rika never just tries to book it from Hinamizawa? Something about the queen bee carrier and the curse right? Ok, but why doesn't she ever try to win the lottery and hire a bunch of mercs to protect her ass?
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>>48380757
She did try, in Minagoroshi said she tried to escape from the village as well as hiding on the night of watanagashi, but she was always found out by the yamainu's search parties and killed.
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In the miracle kakera, the Umineko MILFs are all lolis and the Higurashi lolis are all MILFs. The threads are spammed with ship wars between Kyriefags, Evafags, Natsuhifags, and Rosafags.

Umineko Sotsu exists and is a remarkably enjoyable show beloved by all, giving Yasu depth, structure, and reconciliation with the cousins.

Also a Ciconia Phase is released every six months.
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>>48380719
oh come the fuck on, we still have reiwa apologists?
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>>48380691
Red herring for what? Jessicatricefags?
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>>48380805
My fragment has Asumufags
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>>48380805
that said, Rosa.
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>>48380805
in my fragment bern and lambda never changed sizes
there's a whole segment of ep8's manga dedicated to bern making tit jokes while battler visibly restrains himself from jumping her, shit's hilarious
ryukishi peaked there though, never even released a new VN afterwards he just kept drawing big bern tits until he died from dehydration
was a sad day
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>>48380841
Eh basically. Mystery centers around a western woman witch and you have this blond bimbo valley girl amongst some Japanese looking folks.
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>>48380875
I don't remember that being anything but a joke theory during Umineko's run alongside other dumb shit like moontrice and rosatrice, so I don't think Ryukishi intended her to be a red herring.
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>>48380757
the yamainu will just prevent her escape, if she hides they'll find her. Apparently she made it a while by hiding out in the woods but even then they eventually got her
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>>48380857
Rosa sex
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>>48380921
Her old profile in the official site even mentions the whole "waiting for a prince in a white horse to free her from the island". She also a dual personality and spreads rumors about sightings of Beatrice. She 100% was meant as a red herring. It's just most people didn't bite.
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>>48381844
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>>48380757
She mentions once trying hiding the woods and surviving up to July like that before dying, but never brings up outright trying to run and hide in another city - because clearly the idea she wants to leave Hinamizawa is a complete retcon. She outright talks after the woods stunt about how she wants to be happy there alongside her friends and without that it'd be pointless surviving.

If Rika actually wanted to leave Hinamizawa in the VN, the story would be completely different and several arcs would be just her failed attempts at escaping. But if anything it was the other way around, she didn't want to abandon everything and run.
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>>48381844
Dog, no, no. There's a reason nobody actually thought she was Beatrice. Like it's been a while since I read Umineko but I'm pretty sure we figured out who she was before or around the same time we learned that she was waiting for her prince.
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>>48379253
So it's definitely over? No more awkward Reiwa? Are we finally free? And what about true love? Did she win? Has everything been confirmed or is one unnamed individual looking for another unnamed project to spin his pathetic theories around again?
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>>48381869
Matsuri's epilogue does say she wants to do things and visit places she's never gone to before.
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>>48381949
what are you going on about schizo
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>>48381949
There's only one more update left. Also apparently the volume version will have some extra material for Tamaki.
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>>48381979
>the volume version will have some extra material for Tamaki
She'll announce that she finally found a suitable man to put a child in her
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>>48381979
>Tamaki chapter confirms her to be Keiichis daughter with Mion
Will sperg kill himself once it drops?
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>>48382019
why does she dress up as her aunt.
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>>48381850
That's interesting because I'm 99% sure that isn't in the VN. Maybe it wasn't added because it'd be make Shkanontrice even more cryptic than it already was early on. People probably didn't bite because EP 2-3 blatantly contradict Jessitrice. Rosatrice is dumb but there's not really that kind of smoking gun against it.
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>>48382019
Actually her one panel in the epilogue is already about how she found a boyfriend. He's just off-screen so you only see her blushing.
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>>48382036
so that she can find love
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>>48382056
>tries to avoid ship problems by giving the sonozaki a faceless boyfriend straight away
>meanwhile K2 already has a triangle with inori and kururu anyway
bravo ryukishi
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Everytime I look at the Reiwa kids I just think of them as shitty bootleg rehashes of the OG cast.
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>>48381953
>and visit places she's never gone to before.
The closest to that is saying she wants to go camping. It -does- say though that she's making plans for after June 1983 for the first time, which directly contradicts the St.Lucia stuff being something she had been dreaming about for a long time like she claims in Gou/Sotsu, which is why she's so dedicated to it, which tied directly into the plot of Sotsu (since Satoko judged loops would be necessary to break a will hardened by loops which is why her words and actions in the early loops always failed to make Rika reconsider St.Lucia).
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>>48382075
well, no one gives a shit if Inori or Kururu lose
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>>48382092
Well, Sakiko is original, but the others are either bootlegs of their parents, with very simplified backstories (Keitaro, Kihiro) or just a bunch of nothing (Tamaki).

Even Sakiko was basically nothing after Satoko had one talk with her about how she was ostracized in the past.

It's ridiculous she can immediately throw away her views, and at the same time still be fine living with the other Kimiyoshi who were pushing for that ostracism in general.
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>>48382096
Since this is Hanyuu speaking rather than an omniscient narrator, saying that Rika is making plans for the first time could literally refer to her announcing the things she just mentioned that she wanted to do, which isn't necessarily the same as her having dreamt of plans in the past. Ryukishi did say way back in 2005 that "Freed from the curse of Hinamizawa, she (Rika) feels like she will continue to challenge her for everything she has lived.
She tries to start up or collapse an innovative venture company. Is she very rich or in huge debt?", which while does have a joke tone, it does show that the idea of her leaving her simplistic hick life did cross his mind.
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>>48381949
Satokei broke you
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>>48382137
Sakiko reminds me of Jessica, especially when they get rabid levels of angry about their father.
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>>48382150
It IS an omniscient narrator though, note how it talks about both Hanyuu and Rika in 3rd person. "The girls fought for a unimaginably long time in many different worlds", so it's neither of them narrating.

>which while does have a joke tone, it does show that the idea of her leaving her simplistic hick life did cross his mind.

I mean, even that doesn't imply anything further away than Okinomiya though. We just had Reiwa where Kisaku was introduced as a rich businessman.
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i want to bleach my eyes after witnessing shitokonigger cord immigrant posts for 6 straight motherfuckign years. hopefully you literal zoomers will fucking kill yourselves
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>>48382040
I remember checking out a few of those character blurbs a while back and they did seem rather off. Like, either Natsuhi or Kanon's blurb talks about her being particularly harsh on him because of Jessica, but that's never really shown in the VN, if anything she seems to respect him more than Shannon, and she spends a good chunk of ep 1 relying on him. It's like they were written by someone who had a vague idea of the storyline but hadn't actually read them.
Still rather odd that Jessica's blurb ended up using that exact phrase.
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Just finished Tatarigoroshi-hen and I appreciate how all these years no one cared to correct Shion saying she'd be the PoV character of the next arc. It's a cute time capsule
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>>48382692
Ryukishi said Himatsubushi-hen wasn't planned at first and only came in later when he had a change of mind, so that's probably a remnant of it.
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>>48383011
I liked Mei referenced this. Too bad it was done before the Mei stories started going heavy on weird AUs, so it's mostly referenced as a false legend.
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>>48383186
Cringe.
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rika more like bika haha
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>>48382031
Keiichi can't get pregnant from Mion's transcock
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>>48383304
I drew a Jessica lewd but then felt bad about doing that so I censored it.
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>>48383823
Trvthnvke
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where did tegakianon go anyway.
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Tegakifemanon... u-ugh fuck I'm cumming again
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>>48384050
Post her fat uncensored tits NOW
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>>48383011
>I scanlated this 3 years ago
>realizing how awkward the translation is now
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Anyone have the picture where Beatrice is almost nude, sitting in a dark room and has the one winged eagle tattooed on her leg? I've been searching it for hours now (I'm pretty sure it's an official artwork).
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>>48387096
I do have it, thanks for asking.
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>>48387096
I have the based edit version of it
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>>48387589
based on what.
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>>48387589
kill yourself
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I want Erika to sit on my face
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I want Erika to laugh at my penis
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I want to laugh at Erika's penis.
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I want Erika to sit on my penis
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I Erika to want penis laugh sit face
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>>48387023
I'm surprised that you're still around.
I thought all the sane people had long since left this place.
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>>48388275
these threads aren't as insane as they were some years ago when we had the so called "satoko syndrome" or the dreaded "european futa hours" and could reach into the 1000 replies per thread.
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I can't believe Satoko has had periods already.
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>>48388349
she's closer to menopause than her periods starting at this point...
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>>48388349
I can't believe that Rika has never had a period in her entire life.
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Satoko is japanese and therefore has brown nipples.
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Young sibling spinoff when.
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Post the 'cord my account got bombarded
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>>48388588
Blow it out your ass.
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>>48388588
Here you go
https://discord.gg/9nNAjwRe
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>>48387589
Photoshopping out Beato's dick is not "based".
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>>48388926
Eunuchs don't have dicks.
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>>48388611
Didn't know the resident mionfag was part of the discord cancer. That or he's trying to be a sycophant as usual.
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>>48389014
>>48388961
>>48388926
>>48388611
>>48388588
Kill yourself.
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>>48389014
>Everyone on the internet is the same person
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>>48389014
>mionfag
Same person.
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I didn't know console ports of Higurashi turned the whole thing into a more typical VN with branching routes and shit. I wonder if that causes shitflinging among Japanese fans.
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>>48389090
Not a fan of that at all, especially since the new fanmade routes suck ass.
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>>48389090
Higurashi was meant to be played on a CRT with Nscripter running on Windows XP at a resolution of 640x480 with the lights turned off.
(You) cannot dispute this.
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>>48389090
as i recall most of it's just extended game overs and the hilarious trash that is tsukiotoshi
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>>48389307
what happens in that?
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>>48389332
it's basically just an excuse to write an 'everybody kills everybody' story, complete with shit like satoko stabbing shion and rena killing keiichi at the end because why not
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>>48389346
why the fuck would rena kill keiichi in any fragment? retarded fanfic level writing at work
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>>48389307
Yeah, that's what I've heard. Miotsukushi-hen is apparently an outlier so I'll add that specific arc to the bucket list.
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Are there different English translations of the Higurashi VN going around? I got to Satoko telling K1 she really liked him, but I remember screenshots of her saying she loved him in that scene. Not coming at this from a shippingfag angle, just curious.
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>>48389504
There's the really old fan translations, the 09 mangagamer translation, and the 15 mangagamer translation if I remember correctly
https://kaisernet.org/higurashi/
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>>48389516
Interesting. What I'm talking about happens in Tatarigoroshi-hen, so it'd have to be a difference between the MG translations. Do you know of any examples of where the MG translations lose out on information? The specific examples given aren't really about the script but so much about the more technical details like the lack of minigames.
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>>48388390
Given the hair and eye colors of the characters it's always weird to me to actually consider them Japanese (especially in the cheap live action adaptations). I wonder if the colors are deliberately supposed to be an abstraction because there are a few times in the console arcs where Rika is described as having 黒髪
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>>48389588
The colors are an abstraction the same way the characters have actual fingers and not disgusting mutant ham hands.
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>>48388426
Why is she giving him a kneejob
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>>48389307
>hilarious trash that is tsukiotoshi
it was retarded but kinda fun
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>>48378449
>I don't remember, but does anyone take a photograph in 8?
Doesn't Tomit take one
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I heard Shannon is "one of those" kinds of maids
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>>48391945
why did satoko drink the chalice?
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>>48379410
Let him then see for himself his own failures then.
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>>48390868
Yasu should have manned up and gone for the Jessica route.
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>>48392008
She was thirsty.
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>>48392068
Yasu is kind of dumb. Rich people have juggled having multiple love interests for centuries it's called having a mistress. Fuck in France it's normalized, even expected
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>>48392562
yeeeah, now try and remember who in her close life has had a mistress previously, and how exactly that worked out in the end
tip: it involved insanity, incestuous rape and the birth of a child that lost its ovaries on a cliff
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>>48389504
Are you using the 07th mod? It's known that the line was censored in certain english translations and that it is accepted that the line in nature is more of a romantic confession than that of just saying liked as a friend. Antis ruin pretty much everything
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>>48392599
Translated with a machine
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Hell naw diddy is in the thread
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>>48392670
At least you don't hide being a nigger anymore.
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nothing bad would've happened if natsuhi wasn't insane and hadn't thrown a baby off a cliff.
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Would Kinzo rape a baby?
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>>48392857
Only if the baby was Sayo.
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>>48392857
Don't think so, he only raped his daughter when she grew up.
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>>48392857
if it doesn't look like bice, it's not interesting to kinzo
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>>48392891
Jessica looks like her
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>>48392915
Nah, she doesn't even have Beatrice's blue eyes. Yasu needed blue contacts for a reason.
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>>48389307
>as i recall most of it's just extended game overs
Nope, that's only in the 07th mod.

Onikakushi/Watanagashi/Tatarigoroshi are all integrated into a "general route" of sorts (although newer versions force you to play Onikakushi straight to the ending before restarting with choices). These also have unique events from none of the routes, like more time hanging out with one of the girls. Or you can visit Angel Mort at a different time and ending up actually meeting Shion there, not Mion. Also, during the doll scene, in addition to giving it to Mion or Rena, Keiichi can just take it for himself or exchange the prize (these later two are the only ways to avoid wata/mea before Minagoroshi, because Mion talking happily to Shion about Keiichi still ends up remding her of Satoshi and triggering the events of those arcs). You can also have Keiichi notice when Shion pretends to be Mion pretending to be her in Angel Mort.

Either way, eventually, you get locked into one of the questions arcs, or find scenes that unlock other arcs (There is a scene where Keiichi meets Natsumi and Mion in Okinomiya and this is what unlocks Onisarashi in-game, even though Keiichi isn't involved in Onisarashi).

Unlocking some of these scenes can bring slight changes to the arcs though, like Natsumi being the one reporting that Kiichiro disappeared in Watanagashi/Meakashi rather than the nameless Kimiyoshi that does it in the original route. The above mentioned Keiichi recognizing it isn't Mion is actually necessary for an alternate Meakashi ending in the actual console game where Keiichi once again notices it's not Mion at the end during the torture scene.

>>48389332
>>48389346
Tsukiotoshi is a Tatarigoroshi variation where Shion, Rena and Keiichi all go L5 teaming up to kill Teppei. They actually do kill him, but you can imagine how easily they turn against each other afterwards. And, yeah, it turns out Satoko was L5 too, and she seemed to take Shion taking her away to protect her as she kidnapping her (although Shion's death off-screen, so we don't really see Satoko's reasoning). Mion infiltrates the group, but ends up killed by Rena and Keiichi once they learn she's an impostor since Shion was dead.

It's a pretty dumb arc though, yeah. The writing is oddly simplistic. Both of the extra "bad ending" early arcs they added are noticeably weaker writing-wise than the rest of the console content for some reason (although the versions in the 07th mod don't help at all since you're skipping all the events leading up to them).
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>>48393076
The dumbest part is Satoko clawing her own throat out when she never actually does that because her symptoms are different from the other L5 sufferers.
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>>48379253
This is so heartwarming I can't wait for Mion coming out as a trans man next chapter acceptance has always been a key part of Higurashi <3
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>>48393116
Satoko's main syndrome was extreme horniness
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>>48389504
>>48392599
>>48392610
For what's worth, she just says a "daisuki" there, which can be used in romantic contexts, really isn't romantic by itself.
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it's crazy that umineko took 12 years to finish and began in 2007
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>>48393845
4 years you mean
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>>48393845
Elaborate your joke to plebs
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>>48372595
Most of the characters are self-absorbed rich assholes who only see Kanon and Shannon once a year though. It's convenient but honestly not as contrived as stuff like Rika going an entire century without figuring out who killed Tomitake while knowing there's a secret military unit at Hinamizawa and having a ghost friend who can follow people across cities.
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>>48393910
I don't understand
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>>48393910
>>48393859
I think he's counting Last Note of the Golden Witch from 2019.
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>>48394316
Maybe the visitor characters, but the ones that live on Rokkenjima have no excuse. It straight up forces suspesion of disblief on the reader. Also Rika is kinda retarded, way too arrogant and just accepts that Takano gets burned to death every time, so if anything that's just in-character for her.
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>>48392581
Oh good to see Yasu is being prudent and learning from history instead of trying to re-enact something stupid from the past that would never work!

lol
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>>48392581
*his
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>>48393202
And in context Romantic love makes the most sense
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Shannon included Jessica in on the love roulette because she saw Sotsu and realized how bad lesbians were
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>>48394591
This probably sounded funnier in your head.
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>>48394591
more like she thought of bern and lambda and went 'fuck no i ain't becoming that'
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>>48394619
Eh it's not all gonna be A-list material
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>>48394622
>>48394591
*he
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>>48394541
>Maybe the visitor characters, but the ones that live on Rokkenjima have no excuse.
That's Jessica and her parents, and if you can argue that Rika being retarded is in character you could also argue that Jessica being dumb and Krauss/Natsuhi not giving a shit about their servants is also in character.
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>>48394622
But Jessica's a fucking labrador retreiver. After 1000 years as a witch traveling the kakeras she maybe will learn how to put tabasco sauce in a cream puff as a prank, that's the extent of her cruelty
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>>48394640
My take on it was that Jessica knew but wanted Shannon to tell her the truth at her own time, it's just too baffling stupid to think she didn't notice or have any suspicions
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This is why I still think Shkanon was a retcon, or at least how it was meant to be presented was significantly changed.
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>>48394663
Who are you replying to schizo?
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>>48394648
in ryukishi's domain, 1000 years of witch time is enough to drive even the most innocent person into becoming a deranged psychopath no matter how good they were originally
i guarantee 100 years of time surfing through kakeras and JESSICA will somehow end up gaining a fetish for beating people to death with her fists and a weird thing for stealing people's air right from their lungs to 'help her asthma'
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>>48394683
Based Violent Tomboy strangulation fetish witch
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>>48394655
I think the implication of the scene with the servants playing a prank on her in ep7 is that she noticed but tried to ignore it and convince herself it was just her imagination.
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>>48394648
Yasuda propaganda. Jessica could not have been that innocent and stupid.
>>48394683
You can't breathe when your're being immolated.
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>>48394643
Sex with Lambdadelta while Bernkastel curls up in the cuck chair.
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>>48394643
Lambda and Bern kissing while they both spitroast Erika.
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So since Satoko was faking it here, how did she force her face to go red?
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>>48395930
she thought about what would happen if she actually followed through with it instead of whacking him
truly, her self-restraint is remarkable
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>>48395072
>not having sex with bern so you cuck both lambda AND erika
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>>48395930
She was thinking about Rika's cunny.
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Mrs.Maebara is so cute
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>>48395979
*BONK*
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>>48394721
Yeah, plus this was the 80s. The idea of your female best friend cross-dressing was pretty unimaginable. Unless you've read too much shojo, I guess.
>>48394663
Shkanon was definitely planned from the start. Those two are way too important and Kanon's disappearance is too constant. And it's the most viable way of solving all the twilights. Rosatrice has to come up with some real bonkers shit to avoid Shkanon. But the details probably were changed over time, yeah.
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>>48396097
Cringe.
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>>48396097
can you fags stop constantly posting femdom
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>>48389504
holy fuck you shitokonigger samefag the most derange and despeRATe faggot alive, continues this endless shipper crap discussion and samefagging and pretending to be ""newcomer"" reader every fucking single time even indirectly! you will die and you're running low on your life support and these threads will be free from your finally and i will start spamming my Rika like usually did.
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my beloved anju
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Drawing Jessica daily until I get her on model or the Ciconia's Kurisumasu is saved, either or
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>>48396173
>this was the 80s, no gay shit happened there, we promise
have you even heard of david bowie

ziggy stardust?

fucking, i dunno, glamrock?

jessica sang rock and roll and her song was about tits

for fuck's sake man
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>>48396915
So you're saying that bit about Natsuhi locking Jessica in the closet was a metaphor
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>>48396872
wtf is an anju
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>>48396965
nips pronounce ''ange'' as ''anju''.
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>>48396997
they say "enje"
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>>48397009
That's true!
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>>48396997
What country are you from?
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>>48397022
Is this artist still around?
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>>48393845
you still have to wait for umineko gou.
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>>48389938
Like aunt, like niece.
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>>48397031
Even if Rifyu is gone, he lives on in our hearts and various neurodivergent diagnosises.
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>>48396842
Way too obvious, ywnb rikaschizo
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Why is Rika so easy to draw? She's just squares and rectangles when you break her down.
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>>48397158
cause she's flat.
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>>48397220
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hey there /07/, that time of the year is approaching again and /jp/'s football is having a roster update. A player representing /07/ is a long time tradition for the team and so we wanted to ask if you guys want to keep Jestress as the current /07/ rep or change her for someone else
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>>48397312
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>>48397220
What countries are those?
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>>48397220
I'm not /07/th enough to know what these flags mean
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>>48397399
We are glad you asked. No one in the whole wide world has ever read Ciconia. In fact not even Ryuukishi himself might have done that as it's generally accepted the story was ghostwritten by an internet chatbot trained solely on the hit American animated sitcom 'The Boondocks'.
Keiichi, Satoko, and Rena are the most popular characters in here, any of those will be fine to represent us in the team.
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>>48397220
Cringe
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>>48397399
/07/th has the biggest crowd of magic haters.
It would be wrong to not make Erika our representative.
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>>48397644
Her feet stink.
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need to breed dlanor cunny
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>>48397664
Proof?
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>>48397693
Try to scratch and sniff 'em
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>>48397733
That's not proof.
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>>48397802
Did you try though?
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>>48397859
It's impossible, she is fictional.
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>>48397220
>transwomen are real women
>will is still gay because...?
Why are faggots so inconsistent with their logic?
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Two down only Oni to go and there hasn't been an update in two months. Anyone has any idea what's the status with that one?
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>>48379920
> Satoko and Rika are obviously Lambda and Bern so a sequel where we see these two fall in love and become witches was the most logical conclusion Ryukishi could've gone with when writing a sequel.
>logical conclusion
Shit bait.

>Stop talking trash about Higurashi Gou and Umineko if you don't like them then just leave this fandom already you do not belong here.
To anyone that unironically thinks like this, FUCK RIGHT OFF PARASITE!
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>>48380719
>No, but it has inherent value and merit.
No, it doesn't have shit. You're retarded anon.
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>>48397150
Looks like him to me
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>>48399988
It was moved from a magazine to online releases, so the schedule got even more inconsistent. I think there should be a chapter this month though.
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>>48399988
>>48401420
Also, there's still one update left for Reiwa.
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>>48396842
holy fuck you shitokonigger samefag the most derange and despeRATe faggot alive, continues this endless shipper crap discussion and samefagging and pretending to be ""newcomer"" reader every fucking single time even indirectly! you will die and you're running low on your life support and these threads will be free from your neverending tranny cord namecalling and /v/ermin shitposting finally and i will start spamming my Rika like usually did.
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https://twitter.com/07th_fragment_w/status/1865358961735868806

Ryukishi is writing a new Higabana novel for the fourth "07th Fragment World" doujinshi event.
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>>48401428
Thanks anon. Regarding Reiwa, even with the remaining update I don't think there's anything left to tell so it's going to be like an afterword.
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Reiwa Labyrinth
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>>48402630
Good morning, ratcord!
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>>48396372
But I want Mion to ride me
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>>48404944
Based peggingslut



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