8 days to go. Not going back to all the comments you said you'd research. Not doing anything about the unobtainable stretch goals. Not addressing complaints about the gameplay video having no subtitles, not showing full gameplay and cutting things out, looking incredibly boring. Now the latest update is about how very few of us would be able to see the miniatures in person, sod the rest of us I guess. The fact this is supposed to be a board game but even the attendees wouldn't be bale to play it, just look at the figures is truly astounding logic. I eagerly await your "apologies" and generic copy/paste reply.
Dont let his project put you off crowdfunding. A lot of projects are much better than this one. The only reason this game is doing so well is because of the IP.
Today update comes about display in Tokyo Figure gallery in Akihabara. Honestly, this update and event has no meaning they haven’t decided where to order.
A few backers can say this is an event worth to go. For example, I need to pay nearly ¥60000 and several hours for one way as travel cost. Almost same with backing and whole a day outside of plan. Plus, the gallery opens in only weekends and holidays. In this case, Dec. 6th, 7th, 8th and 13th.
Why they never grab their iPhone or Android and go to take photos? The world map contains only Tokyo (as many IPs are so)? That’s just a walk for them.
This is so weird situation, this is not a local CF.
And then, there will no update for rules or playing, because they display every resources in gallery until last day of KS.
Please cancel this project and create a new one, more polished in near future. At this rate, people will unback near the end. No one want to risk their money for such unprofessional and suspicious project. Please consider. Thank you.
real
I see the video that show the game have very bad game rule，are you had played some popular boardgame ? Are you really make boardgame? only roll dice, and no any interesting mechanics in game.......
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Joseph Schmoll
I would love for a re-launch as a figure set. At this point, I assume we're all paying a premium to buy models with some bulk tacked on that's pretending to be a game.
Mark CashmanSuperbacker
I dont own a 3d printer but surely if its just the minis people after you can find someone whos recreated them ? Either Persona, Metaphor, or Shin megami ones? (Obviously these wouldnt be official mind)
Ian MacColl
I have a 3d printer, was genuinely considering looking into that the other day, as well as putting my game design degree to use and make a board game for private use.
So i saw they were responding to comments below and thought I would summarise their replies --
Thank you for your comment. We apologize for causing you concern. We will continue to do our best to provide information about this project until the end of the pledge period. Thank you for your continued support.
Thank you for your valuable feedback. We will use it as a reference for the future. We appreciate your continued support.
We sincerely apologize for any concerns you may have had with our team's response. We will continue to work on this issue to allay your concerns. Thank you for your understanding.
So someone asked a question about what happens with a 4 player game and their response was ‘Thank you for the comment.
For a three-player game, the players in 2nd and 3rd will fight initially, then the winner of that fight will face the player in 1st in a fight to determine who wins the game.
We're sorry, but we're unable to disclose any details about the constraints you mention.’
Basically a lot of copy and pasted responses and the one question that was specific to a 4 player game and how it finishes, they can't disclose!!! IE they havent got a clue.
I mean i can point out as many red flags as I want by they are showing you how 'capable' they are of producing this game based on the comments they are giving!
If you see a lot of red flags then don’t backup the game. You are like the meme were the guy is yelling at people “stop having fun!” While everyone else is just trying to have fun. So annoying.
Mark CashmanSuperbacker
Oh Luis, i wouldnt dare give them a penny. However, I am here to advise a HUGE amount of new backers to crowdfunding. Who else is having fun here? Look at the comments. I think you'll find everyone is on the same page :)
Give people a reason to have fun .....we will wait
Nickollas Nunes
@Luis:
I was an Early Bird and decided to lower to 1€ my pledge. I am a fan of the series but this is below unacceptable. If you watch the video, there are no apparent redeeming qualities in the game besides the minis. Furthermore, at the end you can see the comments how they actively force themselves to find good and fun things about something that probably wasn't fun to begin with. The comment that stuck with me was the guys saying that "it was fun to do the negotiation because you chose a funky answer and it turned out to be the right one". Long time fans of the series know that the negotiation in SMT are random and always "crazy" like that, so highlighting this specific part is... Odd? Kinda feels like fishing to find something positive to say about the game. People have pointed out that once you memorize the choices your replayability is dead, and for a 3 hour game picking random choices of a card then rolling the dice is just bad game design imo.
Everything about this is off-putting, and funding this game will only incentivize people to pull scams like this, and if after it gets funded it back-fires it will send a message to Atlus and Sega to stay away from the BG business.
I haven't watched the video, going to be transparent. I read the comments and it seems like an expensive Yahtzee. If I wanted that I'd just play a good one, Dice Throne. This is going to be my idea of a SMT Boardgame. Have it Coop, until the end. Have "random battles" that give experience towards your demon to give you an incentive to initiate battles. Have them wrap up fairly quickly to not slow down the game. High leveled demons need to take on more battles to level. Have the game based off of the Original SMT. Thor launching a nuke, you get lost in the expanse, the chaos character(s) fusing with their demons, law characters becoming pseudo immortal and neutral having the most demon accessibility with skills. If you're stuck on the idea of dice, the skills unlocking with levels. Have them like Tarukaja, +1 to each die when attacking. Tarunda, -1 to each attack die. Charge, doubles the count of the die roll. If you have 5 die and you rolled a 21, it is now a 42. Add the mechanics of the game series into the board game. When you're done have an allignment phase that changes based on something like artifacts or instances your character's have gone through. Want a versus at the end? The final Law/Neutral/Chaos boss is fused with one of the heroes (one that rolled the lowest or has the weakest demons) and have special stats that go up based on what the player had so they can still be in it. Make it a 1v1, 2v1, or 3v1 with changing stats per character count. This was my hopes for an SMT boardgame.
Courtney
Thank you for answering my previous question about board game mechanics (I am still waiting for your reply to my general questions I posted after - Looking forward to hearing from you on this)
And thank you for having a short playthrough. Your video along with backer: fe55hz helped me understand alot about the game.
The battle mechanics are similar to the board game "Risk" which is a simple but effective gameplay loop. I was wondering if the SMT Board Game had anything more to the dice mechanics to make it more complex or add ways to increase/decrease dice?
Does demon affinities or weakness and resistances from the video game come into the board game?
the player Ai (Mugen Gaming) had quite a few dice in the end as well as special abilities (such as rerolling)
Could you elaborate on some of the cool mechanics they used to alter the amount of dice they had?
Also I think grimoires was mentioned by Shawn but I wasn't sure if anyone ever used any. How impactful are grimoires in the battle system?
Finally we got to see searching and demon negotiation at the beginning but how is board control used at the start? If player 1 controls Shibuya how does that affect the other players and why would they want to try fight player 1 to gain control of Shibuya? What would happen if player 1 managed to control ALL of Tokyo?
Thanks again for your responses and your video. I hope we could get another video of the control aspect of the game as that seems to be where most of the time will be spent in game and I would love to see more videos on this board game
fe55hz
Devil-talk(="Search" action) consume a search chip on area(Shibuya etc.). So, usually, player need to try get new devil on area where have search chip yet.
If player gain control of 1 area, they gain 1 reward chip. There are different types of reward chips. Players receive a set advantage for each chip. Although area control is an advantage for the player and has no direct impact on other players, it can be described as taking away opportunities.
It seems that the game does not include weaknesses and resistances between devils.
Courtney
Thank you @fe55hz You have helped me understand this game.
What is your opinion of this project? How do you feel about it now that the video has been shown of what basic gameplay will be?
fe55hz
To begin with, I think that charging a high price for unpainted figures is a bad use of the budget for a board game, but that is something that cannot be changed at this stage.
I am concerned that some of the rules are unclear, and that this video was filmed a while ago.
I backed the project as an early bird, so I have high hopes for it, but I am also waiting to see how things develop with a sense of urgency.
If a little more time is needed to complete the project more smoothly, I think it would be fine to postpone the project.
AJ Gore
Decided to check out the "game playthrough" video, first thing is this disclaimer:
"The game contents and rules in this video are still in the development phase"
If the RULES of the game are still being developed, then why have you launched the kickstarter? It looks like you have no interest in tweaking & balancing the rules to make the game as good as it can be, & are just interested in delaying the release of a clearly unfinished rule book.
I was willing to assume that this campaign was just run by people inexperienced with crowdfunding & the expectations of boardgamers - but every new update/response just makes it look more & more like a scam.
Pro tip - Cancel the campaign. Relaunch as "SMT Miniature sets: Law/Chaos/Neutral" at cheaper price points.
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Carnivorous
To be fair, I'm a back of the "Dawn of Madness" Kickstarter campaign.
A project that was successfully funded on December 17, 2019.
A project that was due to be fulfilled in October 2021. (As I am mildly temporally aware, I am writing this post on December 2, 2024.)
They had rules at the beginning, but they needed to be overhauled, and it seems to me almost from scratch, but not only that, needed completed.
Wave One shipped in early 2024, and Diemension Games were still doing rules up until shortly before that. Not only that, they are STILL finalizing rules for the remaining expansions for Wave Two.
So, a rulebook not entirely complete is not out of the realm of possibility...
(If you are ever bored, look into the whole "Dawn of Madness" thing. Carefully, it WILL drive you mad...)
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8 days to go. Not going back to all the comments you said you'd research. Not doing anything about the unobtainable stretch goals. Not addressing complaints about the gameplay video having no subtitles, not showing full gameplay and cutting things out, looking incredibly boring. Now the latest update is about how very few of us would be able to see the miniatures in person, sod the rest of us I guess. The fact this is supposed to be a board game but even the attendees wouldn't be bale to play it, just look at the figures is truly astounding logic. I eagerly await your "apologies" and generic copy/paste reply.
Too many comments and need the gist?
This project is a scam. Don't fall for it.
Reduce your pledge to $1 or cancel now.
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以前出展した「試作品」は3Dプリンタで出力したものと公言している。いわば「原型」である。
その「原型」を13日まで再展示している。
本来、展示には「原型」を「複製」したものを使う。何故なら真っ先に「原型」は生産工場に送られるから。「原型」無しでは工場も見積出せない。（また、いわゆる「デコマス」は「複製」したものに彩色したもの。工場に彩色サンプルとしてデコマスも最終的に工場に送る。）
しかし今回、「原型」を展示した。
これから、以下の事実がわかる。
1.「複製」を作ってない。
2.「複製」が無いということは、展示中にプレイ動画は出ない。
（原型が展示中だから）
3.「原型」が手元にあることは、生産工場が決まってない。（先述の通り決まってたら「原型」が手元にあるわけない。）
以上のことから、このまま強行するこの会社がまともとは思えない。おそらく企画を持ち込んでも何処の販社も相手しなかっただろう。消費者なら騙せるとでも思ってkickstarterにしたんじゃないかと邪推できるレベル。
makakeとかは審査厳しいしね。
あえてポジティブに考えるなら、実は「試作品」「複製品」もしく、「試作品」を複数作っていた。
しかしこの場合も疑問がある。
1.何故「複数品」を展示していないのか？単に言葉を間違えただけかもしれないが…。
2.「試作品」複数はありえない。3Dプリンタはパーツ毎に出力されるので、原型師はそれを組立、継ぎ目消し、サフ等が必要となる。そんな手間がかかるなら、「複数」する。
「複製」は、「原型」から「型取り」したものに、レジン等を流し入れて作成します。竜王時の「金型」ほどではないが差異が出るので、そこから「原型」を修正したりするのですが…。
試作品の展示ねぇ…
週末にちょうど秋葉原に行く予定だからついでに見にはいけるけど「試作品」でしか無く今後制作される物と同じクオリティであるかどうかもわからない物見てどう判断しろというのでしょう？
それに国内でも遠方に住んでる人とかそもそも日本在住じゃ無い人達に展示してる事を発表して何になるのやら…
この前のプレイ動画も翻訳付けてくれないかな？日本語部分は海外勢に伝わらないしプレイしてる人達は英語？で話してて私には理解できなかった。
Kickstarterは初ですがよそのクラファンで色々と見た中でここのクリエイターの対応は私的には最悪な部類だと言えます。
Dont let his project put you off crowdfunding. A lot of projects are much better than this one. The only reason this game is doing so well is because of the IP.
このプロジェクトを理由にクラウドファンディングを諦めないでください。このプロジェクトよりはるかに優れたプロジェクトはたくさんあります。このゲームがこれほど成功している唯一の理由は、IP のおかげです。
今回のアップデートは13日までのフィギュア展示のお知らせでした。
実際のところ、発注先を決めた上でのサンプルでもないものに高額な交通費を支払って見に行くだけの価値があるのでしょうか？
（ちなみに私の場合、片道数時間と日本円換算で合計約6万円の交通費がかかります。アーリーバードでないプレッジ金額と予定外の休日丸一日に相当します）
補足しますが、東京フィギュアギャラリーは金土日祝日のみの営業となり、残りは実質四日間のみとなります。（6日から8日、13日）
人によってはさらにかかるでしょう。
（IP関連ではどこもそうですが）彼らの世界地図は東京周辺で完結しているのでしょうか？
手元のiPhoneを持って行ってギャラリーの写真を撮ってアップロードするぐらい、彼らのオフィスの立地から考えれば仕事の内にも入らないはずです。
日本ローカルではなく世界を対象に始めたプロジェクトにも関わらず、あまりにも怠惰だと言わざるを得ません。
そしておそらく彼らはあの悪夢のようなビデオからゲームそれ自体をアップデートする気はないのでしょう。
キックスターターの期間中の大半、彼らの元にはコンポーネントのほとんどがないのですから。
Today update comes about display in Tokyo Figure gallery in Akihabara. Honestly, this update and event has no meaning they haven’t decided where to order.
A few backers can say this is an event worth to go. For example, I need to pay nearly ¥60000 and several hours for one way as travel cost. Almost same with backing and whole a day outside of plan. Plus, the gallery opens in only weekends and holidays. In this case, Dec. 6th, 7th, 8th and 13th.
Why they never grab their iPhone or Android and go to take photos? The world map contains only Tokyo (as many IPs are so)? That’s just a walk for them.
This is so weird situation, this is not a local CF.
And then, there will no update for rules or playing, because they display every resources in gallery until last day of KS.
試作品はもういいので、実際の製品をなにでどう作り、鎌などの破損しやすい部品をどう梱包するのかを教えてほしいです
So you drop an update, of a picture of the game and focus on the exquisite miniatures.
Is this a miniatures campaign or a board game campaign? (9 days to go and still barely any info on the game itself)
そこで、ゲームの写真のアップデートを公開し、精巧なミニチュアに焦点を当てます。
これはミニチュア キャンペーンですか、それともボード ゲーム キャンペーンですか? (残り 9 日ですが、ゲーム自体に関する情報はまだほとんどありません)
貴方はこのまま6万円を寄付し不安を抱えたまま
返礼品が到着するまで待つのも良いし
1ドル寄付に変更してプレッジマネージャーが開放されて
6万円に値すると感じたら差額を払って手に入れても良い
今年の3月にボードゲームの世界にハマった者で、ゲームボードソムリエの松永直樹さんの悪い噂を度々聞いていましたが、直接被害にあったわけではないので気にしていませんでしたが、今回の件で確信に変わりました。
今後はあなたが関わるボードゲームは購入しないようします。
真・女神転生、ペルソナシリーズのファンだったので、このような結果になり非常に残念です。
動画で色々解説あると思ったら結局出来の悪そうなゲームを目の当たりにしただけです、これが大分前に撮ったもので今はアップデートされてるのであればまだしも、ルールブックが無い時点でその事も期待出来ない。
正直言って現段階ではこのプロジェクトは支援出来ないと思います、このまま続けるよりも中止し出直した方が皆の為だと思います。
後、クリエイター達は理解できていないみたいだから一応言っておきますけど、皆が求めてるのは回答であってコピペした謝罪じゃないんですよ。
Completely agree, they keep messing things up more and more
この有様で彼らをクリエイターと呼ぶのは、金子一馬を始めとした往時のアトラスへの冒涜のようにも思える気がします
悪魔交渉の3択は何度かやると覚えてしまうので作業ゲーになりそう。
ストレッチゴールの見直しはもうしないのですか？
プレイ動画を観たけれど個々の悪魔の魅力が伝わらなかった、、。
最終バトルが特にそれを感じました。
能力はサイコロの数だけなの？
もっと悪魔の魅力が伝わる動画を観たかった。
月齢の影響やグリモアカードの特徴とか知りたい部分がほぼないので戦略性が分からない。
日本人の方が多く支援していますが、
この動画を観て良さが伝わりましたか？
皆さんの意見聞いてみたい。
率直に6万円の価値がありますか？
This person has canceled their pledge.
This person has canceled their pledge.
Please cancel this project and create a new one, more polished in near future. At this rate, people will unback near the end. No one want to risk their money for such unprofessional and suspicious project. Please consider. Thank you.
I see the video that show the game have very bad game rule，are you had played some popular boardgame ? Are you really make boardgame? only roll dice, and no any interesting mechanics in game.......
I would love for a re-launch as a figure set. At this point, I assume we're all paying a premium to buy models with some bulk tacked on that's pretending to be a game.
I dont own a 3d printer but surely if its just the minis people after you can find someone whos recreated them ? Either Persona, Metaphor, or Shin megami ones? (Obviously these wouldnt be official mind)
I have a 3d printer, was genuinely considering looking into that the other day, as well as putting my game design degree to use and make a board game for private use.
プレイ動画観ましたが、なんか眠くなりそうな感じですね、、、
最終決戦もサイコロ降ってるだけか、、、
なんかゲームが進行するごとに特殊なイベントが増えていったりとか
最終決戦でもサイコロの出目を変えたりするカードを使えるようにするとか他の悪魔の補助する能力とかあったらもう少し盛り上がりそう
まずプレイヤーは何者なの？人間？人修羅？ナホビノ？
プレイヤー固有の能力とかあって条件を満たしたら解放していくクトゥルフのボードゲーム的なのとかとできるんじゃないかな、、、？
超重量級にしては単調なゲーム進行になりそう
製作者は他のボードゲームのプレイとかもしてるのだろうか、、、？参考にできる作品は沢山あると思うが、、、
女神転生関連でいえば、この度国内復刻が決定した真女神転生3のTRPG『東京受胎』と『アマラ深界』のセットを買った方が楽しめると思います。（海外ではLionWingPublishingからPDF版がすでに販売開始しました）
そもそもフィギュア以外のコンポーネントが紙製に見えるので、複数回のプレイにボードやチップが耐えられるかどうかも疑問ですが……
<追記>
フィギュア目当ての人は気をつけたほうがいいです。3Dプリンタの見本なんて、なんの参考にもなりません。
後、60,000円じゃないです。
正確には60000円+送料
120,00円かかります（日本）馬鹿高い送料もかかることを考慮しましょう。
This person has canceled their pledge.
今までの情報を整理。
<ゲーム>
ルールブック未完成。デザイナーは「ソムリエ」。プレイ内容からriskの模倣品の疑い。「超重量級ゲーム」とはなんだったのか。
<フィギュア>
見本は3Dプリンタ。作ったデザイナーはミニチュア作成の実績無し。ミニチュアはどうやって作っているのかを、知らないと公言。生産工場はミニチュア作成実績のある会社を検討中。勿論、金型も無い。
<言語>
見本はGoogle翻訳。翻訳家は雇う意思有。
<納期>
2025年4月(超短納期)。2025年内にするとコメントはあったが、アップデートで明言無し。
<会社>
代表取締役の過去に、金銭絡みの黒い噂有。
ここまで悪い情報しか出ないプロジェクトは中々無いんじゃないだろうか？
私は諦めました。
10日後の「祭」が楽しみです。
So i saw they were responding to comments below and thought I would summarise their replies --
Thank you for your comment. We apologize for causing you concern. We will continue to do our best to provide information about this project until the end of the pledge period. Thank you for your continued support.
Thank you for your valuable feedback. We will use it as a reference for the future. We appreciate your continued support.
We sincerely apologize for any concerns you may have had with our team's response. We will continue to work on this issue to allay your concerns. Thank you for your understanding.
So someone asked a question about what happens with a 4 player game and their response was ‘Thank you for the comment.
For a three-player game, the players in 2nd and 3rd will fight initially, then the winner of that fight will face the player in 1st in a fight to determine who wins the game.
We're sorry, but we're unable to disclose any details about the constraints you mention.’
Basically a lot of copy and pasted responses and the one question that was specific to a 4 player game and how it finishes, they can't disclose!!! IE they havent got a clue.
I mean i can point out as many red flags as I want by they are showing you how 'capable' they are of producing this game based on the comments they are giving!
そこで、彼らが以下のコメントに返信しているのを見て、その返信を要約しようと思いました。
コメントありがとうございます。ご心配をおかけして申し訳ございません。私たちは、寄付期間が終了するまで、このプロジェクトに関する情報を提供できるよう最善を尽くします。引き続きご支援をよろしくお願いいたします。
貴重なフィードバックをありがとうございます。今後の参考にさせていただきます。引き続きご支援をお願いいたします。
私たちのチームの対応にご懸念があった場合は、心からお詫び申し上げます。私たちは、引き続きこの問題に取り組んで、ご懸念を和らげていきます。ご理解のほどよろしくお願いいたします。
4人プレイのゲームで何が起こるかについて質問した人がいて、その回答は「コメントありがとうございます。
3人プレイのゲームでは、2番目と3番目のプレイヤーが最初に戦い、その戦いの勝者が1番目のプレイヤーと戦い、ゲームの勝者を決定します。」でした。
申し訳ありませんが、あなたが言及した制約についての詳細は開示できません。’
基本的に、コピー アンド ペーストされた回答が多く、4 人用ゲームとその終了方法に関する 1 つの質問については開示できません!!! つまり、彼らは何もわかっていないのです。
つまり、彼らが与えているコメントに基づいて、彼らがこのゲームを制作する「能力」があることを示しているので、私は好きなだけ危険信号を指摘できます!
If you see a lot of red flags then don’t backup the game. You are like the meme were the guy is yelling at people “stop having fun!” While everyone else is just trying to have fun. So annoying.
Oh Luis, i wouldnt dare give them a penny. However, I am here to advise a HUGE amount of new backers to crowdfunding. Who else is having fun here? Look at the comments. I think you'll find everyone is on the same page :)
Give people a reason to have fun .....we will wait
@Luis:
I was an Early Bird and decided to lower to 1€ my pledge. I am a fan of the series but this is below unacceptable. If you watch the video, there are no apparent redeeming qualities in the game besides the minis. Furthermore, at the end you can see the comments how they actively force themselves to find good and fun things about something that probably wasn't fun to begin with. The comment that stuck with me was the guys saying that "it was fun to do the negotiation because you chose a funky answer and it turned out to be the right one". Long time fans of the series know that the negotiation in SMT are random and always "crazy" like that, so highlighting this specific part is... Odd? Kinda feels like fishing to find something positive to say about the game. People have pointed out that once you memorize the choices your replayability is dead, and for a 3 hour game picking random choices of a card then rolling the dice is just bad game design imo.
Everything about this is off-putting, and funding this game will only incentivize people to pull scams like this, and if after it gets funded it back-fires it will send a message to Atlus and Sega to stay away from the BG business.
意外と早く（キャンペーン期間も後半で本来は遅すぎるんだが）プレイ動画を上げたと思ったら、字幕もない録画したTV会議の切り取りとは！
内容は作者も言うとおりボードゲームのRiskですね。Risk(3000円)と同じくらいの満足度は得られるだろうけど、ダイス振りゲームに7万円はちょっと…
あと悪魔会話について。会話と返答・結果はすぐ覚えられそうな量なので、ロールプレイできるのは最初の1回くらい？
間違えた選択をしても楽しいTRPGやCRPGと違って、複数人で競うボードゲームでは「正しい選択」をさせるインセンティブが強すぎる。
I haven't watched the video, going to be transparent. I read the comments and it seems like an expensive Yahtzee. If I wanted that I'd just play a good one, Dice Throne. This is going to be my idea of a SMT Boardgame. Have it Coop, until the end. Have "random battles" that give experience towards your demon to give you an incentive to initiate battles. Have them wrap up fairly quickly to not slow down the game. High leveled demons need to take on more battles to level. Have the game based off of the Original SMT. Thor launching a nuke, you get lost in the expanse, the chaos character(s) fusing with their demons, law characters becoming pseudo immortal and neutral having the most demon accessibility with skills. If you're stuck on the idea of dice, the skills unlocking with levels. Have them like Tarukaja, +1 to each die when attacking. Tarunda, -1 to each attack die. Charge, doubles the count of the die roll. If you have 5 die and you rolled a 21, it is now a 42. Add the mechanics of the game series into the board game. When you're done have an allignment phase that changes based on something like artifacts or instances your character's have gone through. Want a versus at the end? The final Law/Neutral/Chaos boss is fused with one of the heroes (one that rolled the lowest or has the weakest demons) and have special stats that go up based on what the player had so they can still be in it. Make it a 1v1, 2v1, or 3v1 with changing stats per character count. This was my hopes for an SMT boardgame.
Thank you for answering my previous question about board game mechanics (I am still waiting for your reply to my general questions I posted after - Looking forward to hearing from you on this)
And thank you for having a short playthrough. Your video along with backer: fe55hz helped me understand alot about the game.
The battle mechanics are similar to the board game "Risk" which is a simple but effective gameplay loop. I was wondering if the SMT Board Game had anything more to the dice mechanics to make it more complex or add ways to increase/decrease dice?
Does demon affinities or weakness and resistances from the video game come into the board game?
the player Ai (Mugen Gaming) had quite a few dice in the end as well as special abilities (such as rerolling)
Could you elaborate on some of the cool mechanics they used to alter the amount of dice they had?
Also I think grimoires was mentioned by Shawn but I wasn't sure if anyone ever used any. How impactful are grimoires in the battle system?
Finally we got to see searching and demon negotiation at the beginning but how is board control used at the start? If player 1 controls Shibuya how does that affect the other players and why would they want to try fight player 1 to gain control of Shibuya? What would happen if player 1 managed to control ALL of Tokyo?
Thanks again for your responses and your video. I hope we could get another video of the control aspect of the game as that seems to be where most of the time will be spent in game and I would love to see more videos on this board game
Devil-talk(="Search" action) consume a search chip on area(Shibuya etc.). So, usually, player need to try get new devil on area where have search chip yet.
If player gain control of 1 area, they gain 1 reward chip. There are different types of reward chips. Players receive a set advantage for each chip. Although area control is an advantage for the player and has no direct impact on other players, it can be described as taking away opportunities.
It seems that the game does not include weaknesses and resistances between devils.
Thank you @fe55hz You have helped me understand this game.
What is your opinion of this project? How do you feel about it now that the video has been shown of what basic gameplay will be?
To begin with, I think that charging a high price for unpainted figures is a bad use of the budget for a board game, but that is something that cannot be changed at this stage.
I am concerned that some of the rules are unclear, and that this video was filmed a while ago.
I backed the project as an early bird, so I have high hopes for it, but I am also waiting to see how things develop with a sense of urgency.
If a little more time is needed to complete the project more smoothly, I think it would be fine to postpone the project.
Decided to check out the "game playthrough" video, first thing is this disclaimer:
"The game contents and rules in this video are still in the development phase"
If the RULES of the game are still being developed, then why have you launched the kickstarter? It looks like you have no interest in tweaking & balancing the rules to make the game as good as it can be, & are just interested in delaying the release of a clearly unfinished rule book.
I was willing to assume that this campaign was just run by people inexperienced with crowdfunding & the expectations of boardgamers - but every new update/response just makes it look more & more like a scam.
Pro tip - Cancel the campaign. Relaunch as "SMT Miniature sets: Law/Chaos/Neutral" at cheaper price points.
To be fair, I'm a back of the "Dawn of Madness" Kickstarter campaign.
A project that was successfully funded on December 17, 2019.
A project that was due to be fulfilled in October 2021. (As I am mildly temporally aware, I am writing this post on December 2, 2024.)
They had rules at the beginning, but they needed to be overhauled, and it seems to me almost from scratch, but not only that, needed completed.
Wave One shipped in early 2024, and Diemension Games were still doing rules up until shortly before that. Not only that, they are STILL finalizing rules for the remaining expansions for Wave Two.
So, a rulebook not entirely complete is not out of the realm of possibility...
(If you are ever bored, look into the whole "Dawn of Madness" thing. Carefully, it WILL drive you mad...)
ICREA said to other comment:
"また、ルールに関しては現在のバージョン11を持って完成し、私たちの納得できる状態であると考えています。"
Is rules finished? Or being develped? At least they are letting us falling in the massive chaos...
They said “rulebook is completed with ver.11, and we think this is acceptable.” WTF…