I don't understand. What is going on with CMON Japan?
The statements I've found don't make a whole lot of sense to me -like why would CMON be upset about someone else using their manufacturer?
Courtney
Thanks for your comments, I have some more questions about the game I hope you can answer:
1- is this a 2 or 4 player game? Or is it a 2, 3 or 4 player game?
2- In a 3 player game each player could control 1 alignment (e.g. player 1 is Law, player 2 is Neutral, Player 3 is Chaos) but in a 4 player game how would this work? Would there be instances where 2 players are fighting over demons of the Law alignment? Whilst the other 2 players freely get to interact with Neutral and Chaos?
3- The campaign says that there is a "Final Phase" and the board flips, but the board only shows enough space for 2 players. In a 4 player game what happens to the other 2 players? Do they not get to participate in the last bit of the game, after spending so long playing with the other players?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Michael Ortiz
This is looking to be 2 and up for players. So 2,3,4 people.
You could homebrew rules for a solo game or even 5 to 6 players.
real
In Today on the world，Sell one 300 to 400 Usd value boardgame，the Kickstarter campaign is no complete information about the game is shameful。
Do you see other boardgame KS page or gamefound page，your campaign makes the Japanese feel ashamed......
Not prepared enough, not professional, and a waste of a brand’s potential.
増井 幸治
どなたか教えていただけると恐縮ですが、ペナルティ無しでキャンセルするならば
何日の何時までに手続きすればよろしいのですか？
また、やり方をご教示いただけるとありがたいです。
胡散臭くなってきており、最悪な状態になる前に対処方法知っておきたいです。
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雅也 石川
キャンペーン終了前24時間以内になるとキャンセルは難しくなりますね。
雅也 石川
アーリバードの数さえ確保出来ていればバンディングゴール達成になりますね。
雅也 石川
12月14日の0時となっているのでその24時間前までにキャンセルなら大丈夫だと思います。
12月13日の0時ですかね。
jp.prius
ICREA様。
残念ですが、一度プロジェクトをキャンセルし、きちんと準備した後、出直しされることを提案します。
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Rimoley
1000% agreed
Drew
Is it super controversial for them to say that they're considering X manufacturer that worked for CMON before? Or did they say something about working with CMON?
I believe that CMON rarely state what manufacturer or manufacturers they use (and have used, since they've switched a couple times that i know of).
The manufacturers themselves frequently reveal to their clients what projects they've worked on so that the clients can know what to expect.
So- I'm confused about this particular bit of controversy
Michael Ortiz
Seriously, watching the backers go up and down on this. Since the start it feels dead. They added a table if contents 13 days after the project started.
I'm really wondering what is going on. You'd think they'd learn from some popular projects.
We have been contacted by a user regarding the use of CMON's name in relation to the manufacture of figures in a certain Kickstarter project, and we are very confused. CMON and CMONJAPAN are not involved in this matter in any way.”
ルールもできていない、フィギュアもイベントに出展されたサンプルだけ。
真面目にキャンセルを検討するべきでしょう。
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Mark CashmanSuperbacker
Ahh well thats ok, many factories can use the same production companies. That isn't a worry at all :) (for once)
村上
名前を出したのは駄目ですね。
他の有名なボードゲームのフィギュアと同じ工場をとかぼかさないと。。。
焦ったかな。
ルールは11版とか言ってるので、
出来ていない訳ではないかと思います。
一応動きは見えてきたので、
後10日程は様子見でも問題ないかと。
Merik2013
Whether its a good idea to mention who else has used that factory is irrelevant. It shouldnt make any difference whatsoever and they never claimed to be working with CMON. The real problem is the fools who have reportedly messaging CMON about this. All they managed to do was confuse and waste the time of dome poor CMON employees.
Aoki, Shunsuke
What's the "PledgeMoney"? I'm afraid of you meaning Pledge manager.
"PledgeMoney"とは何ですか？まさかプレッジマネージャー…
KabligaSuperbacker
The creator posted this reply down below and I think it's good information to spread. I also did Google translation for people that don't speak Japanese:
Thank you for your question.
①Does the moon phase affect negotiating with a demon?
For example, is there a risk as you get closer to the full moon?
If there is a bias in attributes, will it be harder for a demon to become your ally, whether it is Law, Chaos, or Neutral?
→When negotiating with a demon, the demon may ask you to fight or negotiate for victory points, but the strength of the demon in this battle and the degree of victory points it requests will change depending on the moon phase. For example, in the original game, the demon becomes more violent during full moons and new moons, but in the board game, during full moons and new moons, the demon requests lower victory points than usual, and in battles, it becomes stronger. There are eight types of moon phases, and they change every round.
②Can you freely choose which demon to join at first?
Do you negotiate with the demon that appears when you draw a demon card? Or can you freely nominate it?
Three demons are always revealed, and when negotiating with a demon, the player chooses one of the three and negotiates with it.
③Does the player's attribute change? 』
Will allies with the same attribute receive some kind of buff? Will the abilities of opposing allies decrease?
For example, will the number of times the dice are rolled increase or decrease?
→The player starts the game in a neutral state. When making a demon a friend, if the demon is Law or Chaos, that attribute will be increased by +1. There are also events where you can choose from a number of options, and the attribute will change depending on the answer. When the player's Law or Chaos attributes reach a certain value, there are many demons that will be powered up when fighting with Law or Chaos demons. In exchange, you will not be able to summon demons with the opposite attribute (if Chaos is 3 or more, you will not be able to summon Law demons). Grimoires (combat support items) also have strengths that change depending on the attribute.
④『Are defeated demons lost?』
Are defeated demons lost or can they be revived?
→Demons that have been defeated can be summoned again by performing the action ``Recovery''. Initially, you can summon up to three demons, and defeated demons will be unable to act after using up a summoning slot, so you need to time your recovery accordingly. Also, you can recover multiple demons with one recovery action.
I watched a video of the general game progress, but I still don't quite get how to enjoy the game, so I'd like to see a rulebook like that, but is that difficult?
I'm sorry for keeping you waiting for the rulebook. We are currently preparing more information about the detailed gameplay, the fun of this work, and its features.
Can you guarantee the quality of the figures, which are one of the selling points?
We are currently considering partnering with an experienced and proven factory that has produced various board games with miniatures in the past to manufacture the game.
杜敏求
thanks btw where u found these answers？
Dane Tripp-Peters
I am glad to see the creators are trying to turn this around with responses and addressing concerns, this is the kind of update we have been waiting for.
I hope in time, you can fully answer our questions with certainty or delay the game so that you have more time to polish this game and address the most asked concerns.
It also looks like they plan to release gameplay details soon.
KabligaSuperbacker
From Google translate, just to make it easier for non-japanese speakers:
Response from ICREA creators
■Summary
-Delayed response and apology
Currently, due to operational reasons, we are late in responding to supporters, and we deeply recognize and apologize for the great inconvenience and trouble caused by the delayed response. In the future, we will improve our internal structure and strive to shorten the response time.
-Plans for information disclosure and improvement
The game is currently version 11, and has been perfected after two years of test play. We are preparing further information on detailed gameplay explanations, game features, and appeal, which will be released soon.
-Regarding translation
Currently, Google Translate is used for translation, but for the production of the final version, we plan to hire translators and localize all English text.
-Change in schedule
The product release target has been changed from the original plan of May 2025 and set to "within the next year".
-Regarding price and figures
As for the figures, they are expected to be more expensive than regular board games due to their quality, so they will not be sold individually. In addition, the stretch goals (achievement goals) are being reviewed, and additional information will be released from time to time.
-About shipping costs
As soon as the shipping costs are finalized, we will notify you through PledgeMoney, and we have confirmed that the deposits already paid will not be wasted.
■Important deadlines and items
-Game version: Currently version 11
-Test play period: 2 years
-Scheduled release: Changed from May 2025 to "next year"
-Shipping fee notification: Will be announced through PledgeMoney
In any case, backers need to decide whether to continue their support by 00:00 (UTC+09:00) on Saturday, December 14, 2024, and once the deadline has passed, all they can do is pray.
Mark CashmanSuperbacker
Its good to see them answering the questions. Lets see if they actually provide the information people have been asking for since day 1.
jp.prius
名誉挽回を期待して見守るつもりでおりましたが、
以下の返信内容だけは、皆様にとっても
特に新規バッカ―の方々には重要なことでした
ので抜粋させていただきます。
We have revised the schedule and the target date is now sometime this next year, rather than May 2025.
【和訳】
スケジュールを見直し、目標日を2025年5月ではなく、来年中に変更しました。
・・・いや、これ簡単に返信で言っていい内容じゃないでしょう？
早急にアップデートで案内すべきことです。
ボードゲームのバッカ―経験者の多くの方は最初から疑ってたと思いますが、
こんな簡単に変更されるということは、なんにもスケジュール考えてなかったのと同義ですよ。
さらに言えば、kickstarterで表示されている目標日は、「2025年4月」に設定されてます。
元から１カ月の差違があったんですね。
またフィギュアの開発について、CMONと同じ工場を使うことを「検討しています」って・・・。
全然まだ原型段階じゃないですか！
生産工場が確定してないのであれば金型版試作品１号すらない状況ですか？
そもそも原型を工場に送って再現できるかすら確認してないとか？
Michael Ortiz
Wow thanks for catching this.
Rimoley
Thanks, it seems several parts are still in diapers. Which increase uncertainty.
This person has canceled their pledge.
ICREACreator
Sorry, there is no solo play.
Seungho Lee
Glad to see this project taking into positive path. Looking forward to regular updates.
ICREACreator
I'm glad to hear you say that.
We will continue to work hard to improve our internal structure and shorten response times so that we can provide better service to our supporters.
Ian MacColl
Putting this as a new comment so people are aware of the response.
I brought up the standards of their cards a few days ago, stating that the text in the example is unreadable due to how small it is. Then asked why that's acceptable, as well as asking why for that price they wouldn't separate the languages to make the text more readable. Their response was:
"Thank you for your valuable feedback. We will take your feedback into consideration when developing future game components."
Future game components. Future. Meaning they have no desire to make necessary adjustments to the cards, and will keep readability (one of the most basic things a game should have) in mind when making the next board game. Or they haven't actually finished this one and are still designing components for it.
Several other questions I raised they replied with:
"Please let me research a detailed answer regarding your question. It doesn't take much time. Please wait just a moment."
The game is finished, you've spent years on it, why do you have to research for an answer, you should already know it surely, no?
Also they ended it with
"I'm really sorry for the delay in responding.I hope you get this board game and have fun playing it."
You hope I get it. You hope? Sounds like you only want my money and don't want to delivery a great board game. Also using a magnifying glass to read cards that are also translated poorly isn't my idea of a fun game.
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Nickollas Nunes
@Mark you mentioned somewhere else about the Darkest Dungeon bg. I didn't back that one, but can you enlighten on what happened? I already cancelled my pledge once for this KS (400-ish € for EB is a lot), but I kinda also really want this lol.
Mark CashmanSuperbacker
No problem Nickollas. So Mythic games produced a fair few well thought of and highly rated board games. However, they started releasing too many games on crowdfunding at once, and basically were using the money from new kickstarters to fund and produce their old ones.
In addition to this they also asked backers for more money to help produce the game, and also additional shipping too. This was for 2 games, Rainbow 6 and Darkest Dungeon. For the backers that provided the additional 'voluntary contribution' (not a ransom at all), they received their copies of Rainbow 6 and also Wave 1 of darkest Dungeon.
However, Wave 1 of DD did not include the 3 (i think) expansions from the all in which has still yet to deliver to backers, even though they had paid the extras. Mythics website is now down and basically they are disappearing due to financial struggles.
They also have some other outstanding games -
Hel - This game has been bought by the company CMON who said there wasn't even a game here so they will have to work with what they have and produce it, and will only charge backers shipping (again) to get the game once its done.
Anastyr - As above, this is also bought by CMON who have offered the 'base pledge' only to backers if they pay the shipping cost once they have made it.
Monsterapocolypse - No word on this yet or whats going on with it. Maybe they are waiting for someone to buy the IP.
So thats a rough summary of Mythic games, but they arent alone and other companies have also not delivered games. Some had 'red flags' others not so much. Which is why i have been posting information here for backers to read and decide for themselves. With Mythic i have lost about £500 in total........so just remember, kickstart is not a preorder and sometimes they do fail, or deliver a bad product.
That being said i've also had amazing games delivered too, and the deliveries with great games outweigh the negatives :) Just be careful and do your research. I hope that helped :)
Mark CashmanSuperbacker
PS I could have lost a lot more with mythic if i had gone 'All in' with all their pledges, which would have been closer to £1200 !!!!
Merik2013
Are the demon conversation cards and other text heavy cards shown on the campaign page prototypes or completely final?
This is an important quality control concern. From closely examining the demon conversation cards included in the promo images on the main page it became strikingly obvious that they contained poorly machine translated English and read terribly. I would like reassurances that they final product wont contain machine translated text and that a human translator will have gone over all your cards, including event cards, demon conversation cards, and anything else with English text, to insure that the English text reads well and is internally consistent with the English localization of the franchise.
ICREACreator
Are the demon conversation cards and other text heavy cards shown on the campaign page prototypes or completely final?
→This is a prototype.The production version is currently under development.
This is an important quality control concern. From closely examining the demon conversation cards included in the promo images on the main page it became strikingly obvious that they contained poorly machine translated English and read terribly. I would like reassurances that they final product wont contain machine translated text and that a human translator will have gone over all your cards, including event cards, demon conversation cards, and anything else with English text, to insure that the English text reads well and is internally consistent with the English localization of the franchise.
→We apologize for causing you concerns about translate.
Thanks for addressing your lack of updates. I hope going forward you are true to your word about addressing concerns.
Can you please respond to mine / these questions when you are able:
1- Can you upload a rulebook OR a gameplay video. I don't mind which but I would like to know exactly how the game plays. Every KS has one of the two (sometimes both) and I would love to know how this game plays.
2- we are 11days into the campaign and haven't even reached the 1st unlock.
You said there are more figures to come and I don't want to miss those. Can you EITHER reduce the goals, making them easier to obtain OR give away all stretch goals on campaigns end.
3- Can you post pictures of the minis next to the cards? Either here or social media. I would like to see engagement and this is an easy way to do it.
Thanks again for your apology, I as much as anyone WANTS this campaign to be successful, so I am looking forward to future updates.
ICREACreator
Thanks for addressing your lack of updates. I hope going forward you are true to your word about addressing concerns.
→Thank you. We will continue to work on improving our internal processes and response times to better serve our supporters.
Can you please respond to mine / these questions when you are able:
1- Can you upload a rulebook OR a gameplay video. I don't mind which but I would like to know exactly how the game plays. Every KS has one of the two (sometimes both) and I would love to know how this game plays.
→Thank you for your valuable feedback.We preparing more info about the detailed gameplay, the fun of this work, and its features.
2- we are 11days into the campaign and haven't even reached the 1st unlock.
You said there are more figures to come and I don't want to miss those. Can you EITHER reduce the goals, making them easier to obtain OR give away all stretch goals on campaigns end.
→thank you for pointing that out.
Our team is currently reviewing our stretch goal targets.
Please wait for an update.
3- Can you post pictures of the minis next to the cards? Either here or social media. I would like to see engagement and this is an easy way to do it.
→Thank you for your valuable feedback.
We are currently working on plans to introduce the demons that appear in the game.
Please wait just a moment.
Thanks again for your apology, I as much as anyone WANTS this campaign to be successful, so I am looking forward to future updates.
→thank you.
We will work to improve our internal structure and shorten response times so that we can provide better service to our supporters.
Mark CashmanSuperbacker
For first time backers. Bower also release a video covering some of the worries. Maybe worth a watch for you
This has all been address and is unnecessary fear mongering
Mark CashmanSuperbacker
Don't watch the video red, it's not for you.
ICREACreator
Thank you for your valuable feedback.
We are very aware of the great inconvenience and trouble this has caused, and we sincerely apologize.
We are also working to improve our internal structure and shorten our response times so that we can provide better service to our supporters, so we appreciate your patience.
池田
事情は少しわかったけども、アップデートがあったお知らせで見に来て、
ただ先送りしただけの解答を見ることになるのが、どれだけ落胆するか考えてほしい。
せめて順次対応するという内容には、
いつ頃までに解答を載せるか期限も含めてほしい。
結局いつなの？という不安の解消からは程遠い内容です。
既に期日の3分の1を消化していることを考えれば、
即座にルールの公開をしていただいてもいいのでは？と私は感じております。
是非ルールの公開を早めていただきたい。
ゲームの内容の公開を心待ちにしております。
Rimoley
We need to check the rules, quality on non-miniatures components, clarification on vat helping process (pledge manager pages are ready to do that so why put that burden of the process on the customer), etc
This is your space to offer support and feedback. Remember to be constructive—there's a human behind this project.
Have a question for the creator?
Only backers can post comments. Log in
I thought I will pay shipping fee during pledge manager. But instead, system charged me ¥5,000 for shipping. Is that correct?
The amount of backers has slowed to a crawl, I don't think we can even reach the 1st goal.
I hope the creators do something about the stretch goals and address the concerns soon.
16 days to go and its not looking well. Not even smaller buys or add ons to bring in more backers.
プレッジに世界共通で3000円を配送料として追加されていますが、さらに国ごとに送料を取るのでしょうか…？だとしたらなぜ二重に配送料を払う必要があるのでしょう？
早くQ＆Aに載せてほしいですが、
送料は追加でかかるけど、
払った分は差し引く的に説明が有りました。
なので2重取りはされないかと。
I don't understand. What is going on with CMON Japan?
The statements I've found don't make a whole lot of sense to me -like why would CMON be upset about someone else using their manufacturer?
Thanks for your comments, I have some more questions about the game I hope you can answer:
1- is this a 2 or 4 player game? Or is it a 2, 3 or 4 player game?
2- In a 3 player game each player could control 1 alignment (e.g. player 1 is Law, player 2 is Neutral, Player 3 is Chaos) but in a 4 player game how would this work? Would there be instances where 2 players are fighting over demons of the Law alignment? Whilst the other 2 players freely get to interact with Neutral and Chaos?
3- The campaign says that there is a "Final Phase" and the board flips, but the board only shows enough space for 2 players. In a 4 player game what happens to the other 2 players? Do they not get to participate in the last bit of the game, after spending so long playing with the other players?
Look forward to hearing from you.
This is looking to be 2 and up for players. So 2,3,4 people.
You could homebrew rules for a solo game or even 5 to 6 players.
In Today on the world，Sell one 300 to 400 Usd value boardgame，the Kickstarter campaign is no complete information about the game is shameful。
Do you see other boardgame KS page or gamefound page，your campaign makes the Japanese feel ashamed......
Not prepared enough, not professional, and a waste of a brand’s potential.
どなたか教えていただけると恐縮ですが、ペナルティ無しでキャンセルするならば
何日の何時までに手続きすればよろしいのですか？
また、やり方をご教示いただけるとありがたいです。
胡散臭くなってきており、最悪な状態になる前に対処方法知っておきたいです。
キャンペーン終了前24時間以内になるとキャンセルは難しくなりますね。
アーリバードの数さえ確保出来ていればバンディングゴール達成になりますね。
12月14日の0時となっているのでその24時間前までにキャンセルなら大丈夫だと思います。
12月13日の0時ですかね。
ICREA様。
残念ですが、一度プロジェクトをキャンセルし、きちんと準備した後、出直しされることを提案します。
1000% agreed
Is it super controversial for them to say that they're considering X manufacturer that worked for CMON before? Or did they say something about working with CMON?
I believe that CMON rarely state what manufacturer or manufacturers they use (and have used, since they've switched a couple times that i know of).
The manufacturers themselves frequently reveal to their clients what projects they've worked on so that the clients can know what to expect.
So- I'm confused about this particular bit of controversy
Seriously, watching the backers go up and down on this. Since the start it feels dead. They added a table if contents 13 days after the project started.
I'm really wondering what is going on. You'd think they'd learn from some popular projects.
このプロジェクトにバックした皆様へ。
CMONJAPAN公式が『フィギュア製造担当として勝手に名前を使われている。CMONならびにCMONJAPANはこの件と一切関係がない』というアナウンスを出しました。
https://x.com/cmonjapan/status/1860964338200400298s=46&t=INVSmm6IaxPxzVQ7nPv7IA
For All people who spend money to this project.
CMON JAPAN officiall said,
“Important Notice
We have been contacted by a user regarding the use of CMON's name in relation to the manufacture of figures in a certain Kickstarter project, and we are very confused. CMON and CMONJAPAN are not involved in this matter in any way.”
ルールもできていない、フィギュアもイベントに出展されたサンプルだけ。
真面目にキャンセルを検討するべきでしょう。
Ahh well thats ok, many factories can use the same production companies. That isn't a worry at all :) (for once)
名前を出したのは駄目ですね。
他の有名なボードゲームのフィギュアと同じ工場をとかぼかさないと。。。
焦ったかな。
ルールは11版とか言ってるので、
出来ていない訳ではないかと思います。
一応動きは見えてきたので、
後10日程は様子見でも問題ないかと。
Whether its a good idea to mention who else has used that factory is irrelevant. It shouldnt make any difference whatsoever and they never claimed to be working with CMON. The real problem is the fools who have reportedly messaging CMON about this. All they managed to do was confuse and waste the time of dome poor CMON employees.
What's the "PledgeMoney"? I'm afraid of you meaning Pledge manager.
"PledgeMoney"とは何ですか？まさかプレッジマネージャー…
The creator posted this reply down below and I think it's good information to spread. I also did Google translation for people that don't speak Japanese:
Thank you for your question.
①Does the moon phase affect negotiating with a demon?
For example, is there a risk as you get closer to the full moon?
If there is a bias in attributes, will it be harder for a demon to become your ally, whether it is Law, Chaos, or Neutral?
→When negotiating with a demon, the demon may ask you to fight or negotiate for victory points, but the strength of the demon in this battle and the degree of victory points it requests will change depending on the moon phase. For example, in the original game, the demon becomes more violent during full moons and new moons, but in the board game, during full moons and new moons, the demon requests lower victory points than usual, and in battles, it becomes stronger. There are eight types of moon phases, and they change every round.
②Can you freely choose which demon to join at first?
Do you negotiate with the demon that appears when you draw a demon card? Or can you freely nominate it?
Three demons are always revealed, and when negotiating with a demon, the player chooses one of the three and negotiates with it.
③Does the player's attribute change? 』
Will allies with the same attribute receive some kind of buff? Will the abilities of opposing allies decrease?
For example, will the number of times the dice are rolled increase or decrease?
→The player starts the game in a neutral state. When making a demon a friend, if the demon is Law or Chaos, that attribute will be increased by +1. There are also events where you can choose from a number of options, and the attribute will change depending on the answer. When the player's Law or Chaos attributes reach a certain value, there are many demons that will be powered up when fighting with Law or Chaos demons. In exchange, you will not be able to summon demons with the opposite attribute (if Chaos is 3 or more, you will not be able to summon Law demons). Grimoires (combat support items) also have strengths that change depending on the attribute.
④『Are defeated demons lost?』
Are defeated demons lost or can they be revived?
→Demons that have been defeated can be summoned again by performing the action ``Recovery''. Initially, you can summon up to three demons, and defeated demons will be unable to act after using up a summoning slot, so you need to time your recovery accordingly. Also, you can recover multiple demons with one recovery action.
I watched a video of the general game progress, but I still don't quite get how to enjoy the game, so I'd like to see a rulebook like that, but is that difficult?
I'm sorry for keeping you waiting for the rulebook. We are currently preparing more information about the detailed gameplay, the fun of this work, and its features.
Can you guarantee the quality of the figures, which are one of the selling points?
We are currently considering partnering with an experienced and proven factory that has produced various board games with miniatures in the past to manufacture the game.
thanks btw where u found these answers？
I am glad to see the creators are trying to turn this around with responses and addressing concerns, this is the kind of update we have been waiting for.
I hope in time, you can fully answer our questions with certainty or delay the game so that you have more time to polish this game and address the most asked concerns.
ICREAクリエイターの返答
■要約
-対応の遅れと謝罪
現在、運営の都合によりサポーターへの回答が遅れており、対応の遅延によって多大な不便や迷惑をおかけしていることを深く認識し、謝罪しています。今後は社内体制を改善し、対応時間を短縮するよう努めます。
-情報公開と改良の計画
ゲームのバージョンは現在11で、2年間のテストプレイを経て完成度を高めています。詳細なゲームプレイの説明、ゲームの特徴、魅力についてさらに情報を準備しており、近日中に公開予定です。
-翻訳の対応について
翻訳については、現在はGoogle翻訳を用いて対応していますが、製品版の制作においては翻訳者を雇い、英語のテキスト全てをローカライズする予定です。
-スケジュールの変更
当初の予定である2025年5月から変更し、製品リリース目標を「来年中」に設定しました。
-価格とフィギュアについて
フィギュアについては、品質のため通常のボードゲームより価格が高くなる見込みで、個別販売は行いません。また、ストレッチゴール（達成目標）は見直し中で、追加の情報も随時公開予定です。
-送料について
送料が確定次第、PledgeMoneyを通じてお知らせする予定で、既に支払ったデポジットは無駄にならないことを確認しています。
■重要な期日・項目
-ゲームバージョン: 現在バージョン11
-テストプレイ期間: 2年間
-リリース予定: 2025年5月予定を「来年中」に変更
-送料通知: PledgeMoneyを通じて発表予定
いずれにせよ、支援者は2024年12月14日（土）00:00（UTC+09:00）までに支援を継続するかどうかを決定する必要があり期日を過ぎたら、あとは祈るのみ、ということですね。
It also looks like they plan to release gameplay details soon.
From Google translate, just to make it easier for non-japanese speakers:
Response from ICREA creators
■Summary
-Delayed response and apology
Currently, due to operational reasons, we are late in responding to supporters, and we deeply recognize and apologize for the great inconvenience and trouble caused by the delayed response. In the future, we will improve our internal structure and strive to shorten the response time.
-Plans for information disclosure and improvement
The game is currently version 11, and has been perfected after two years of test play. We are preparing further information on detailed gameplay explanations, game features, and appeal, which will be released soon.
-Regarding translation
Currently, Google Translate is used for translation, but for the production of the final version, we plan to hire translators and localize all English text.
-Change in schedule
The product release target has been changed from the original plan of May 2025 and set to "within the next year".
-Regarding price and figures
As for the figures, they are expected to be more expensive than regular board games due to their quality, so they will not be sold individually. In addition, the stretch goals (achievement goals) are being reviewed, and additional information will be released from time to time.
-About shipping costs
As soon as the shipping costs are finalized, we will notify you through PledgeMoney, and we have confirmed that the deposits already paid will not be wasted.
■Important deadlines and items
-Game version: Currently version 11
-Test play period: 2 years
-Scheduled release: Changed from May 2025 to "next year"
-Shipping fee notification: Will be announced through PledgeMoney
In any case, backers need to decide whether to continue their support by 00:00 (UTC+09:00) on Saturday, December 14, 2024, and once the deadline has passed, all they can do is pray.
Its good to see them answering the questions. Lets see if they actually provide the information people have been asking for since day 1.
名誉挽回を期待して見守るつもりでおりましたが、
以下の返信内容だけは、皆様にとっても
特に新規バッカ―の方々には重要なことでした
ので抜粋させていただきます。
We have revised the schedule and the target date is now sometime this next year, rather than May 2025.
【和訳】
スケジュールを見直し、目標日を2025年5月ではなく、来年中に変更しました。
・・・いや、これ簡単に返信で言っていい内容じゃないでしょう？
早急にアップデートで案内すべきことです。
ボードゲームのバッカ―経験者の多くの方は最初から疑ってたと思いますが、
こんな簡単に変更されるということは、なんにもスケジュール考えてなかったのと同義ですよ。
さらに言えば、kickstarterで表示されている目標日は、「2025年4月」に設定されてます。
元から１カ月の差違があったんですね。
またフィギュアの開発について、CMONと同じ工場を使うことを「検討しています」って・・・。
全然まだ原型段階じゃないですか！
生産工場が確定してないのであれば金型版試作品１号すらない状況ですか？
そもそも原型を工場に送って再現できるかすら確認してないとか？
Wow thanks for catching this.
Thanks, it seems several parts are still in diapers. Which increase uncertainty.
This person has canceled their pledge.
Sorry, there is no solo play.
Glad to see this project taking into positive path. Looking forward to regular updates.
I'm glad to hear you say that.
We will continue to work hard to improve our internal structure and shorten response times so that we can provide better service to our supporters.
Putting this as a new comment so people are aware of the response.
I brought up the standards of their cards a few days ago, stating that the text in the example is unreadable due to how small it is. Then asked why that's acceptable, as well as asking why for that price they wouldn't separate the languages to make the text more readable. Their response was:
"Thank you for your valuable feedback. We will take your feedback into consideration when developing future game components."
Future game components. Future. Meaning they have no desire to make necessary adjustments to the cards, and will keep readability (one of the most basic things a game should have) in mind when making the next board game. Or they haven't actually finished this one and are still designing components for it.
Several other questions I raised they replied with:
"Please let me research a detailed answer regarding your question. It doesn't take much time. Please wait just a moment."
The game is finished, you've spent years on it, why do you have to research for an answer, you should already know it surely, no?
Also they ended it with
"I'm really sorry for the delay in responding.I hope you get this board game and have fun playing it."
You hope I get it. You hope? Sounds like you only want my money and don't want to delivery a great board game. Also using a magnifying glass to read cards that are also translated poorly isn't my idea of a fun game.
@Mark you mentioned somewhere else about the Darkest Dungeon bg. I didn't back that one, but can you enlighten on what happened? I already cancelled my pledge once for this KS (400-ish € for EB is a lot), but I kinda also really want this lol.
No problem Nickollas. So Mythic games produced a fair few well thought of and highly rated board games. However, they started releasing too many games on crowdfunding at once, and basically were using the money from new kickstarters to fund and produce their old ones.
In addition to this they also asked backers for more money to help produce the game, and also additional shipping too. This was for 2 games, Rainbow 6 and Darkest Dungeon. For the backers that provided the additional 'voluntary contribution' (not a ransom at all), they received their copies of Rainbow 6 and also Wave 1 of darkest Dungeon.
However, Wave 1 of DD did not include the 3 (i think) expansions from the all in which has still yet to deliver to backers, even though they had paid the extras. Mythics website is now down and basically they are disappearing due to financial struggles.
They also have some other outstanding games -
Hel - This game has been bought by the company CMON who said there wasn't even a game here so they will have to work with what they have and produce it, and will only charge backers shipping (again) to get the game once its done.
Anastyr - As above, this is also bought by CMON who have offered the 'base pledge' only to backers if they pay the shipping cost once they have made it.
Monsterapocolypse - No word on this yet or whats going on with it. Maybe they are waiting for someone to buy the IP.
So thats a rough summary of Mythic games, but they arent alone and other companies have also not delivered games. Some had 'red flags' others not so much. Which is why i have been posting information here for backers to read and decide for themselves. With Mythic i have lost about £500 in total........so just remember, kickstart is not a preorder and sometimes they do fail, or deliver a bad product.
That being said i've also had amazing games delivered too, and the deliveries with great games outweigh the negatives :) Just be careful and do your research. I hope that helped :)
PS I could have lost a lot more with mythic if i had gone 'All in' with all their pledges, which would have been closer to £1200 !!!!
Are the demon conversation cards and other text heavy cards shown on the campaign page prototypes or completely final?
This is an important quality control concern. From closely examining the demon conversation cards included in the promo images on the main page it became strikingly obvious that they contained poorly machine translated English and read terribly. I would like reassurances that they final product wont contain machine translated text and that a human translator will have gone over all your cards, including event cards, demon conversation cards, and anything else with English text, to insure that the English text reads well and is internally consistent with the English localization of the franchise.
Are the demon conversation cards and other text heavy cards shown on the campaign page prototypes or completely final?
→This is a prototype.The production version is currently under development.
This is an important quality control concern. From closely examining the demon conversation cards included in the promo images on the main page it became strikingly obvious that they contained poorly machine translated English and read terribly. I would like reassurances that they final product wont contain machine translated text and that a human translator will have gone over all your cards, including event cards, demon conversation cards, and anything else with English text, to insure that the English text reads well and is internally consistent with the English localization of the franchise.
→We apologize for causing you concerns about translate.
we hire translators to localize all game content.
とりあえずルールブックを公開して、括弧書きで変更される可能性がありますでいいんじゃないですか？クラウドファンディングなんですから！
暫定でもいいのでルールを見ないとボードゲームとして面白いのかどうか、他人に勧められるようなよく出来たシステムなのか判断できません。
ルールでのご不安を与えてしまい、申し訳ございません。
現在、詳細なゲームプレイ、この作品の面白さ、特徴などについて、早急に準備を進めております。
このゲームの仕様は現在バージョン11で、私達は、2年間のテストプレイを経て、リプレイ性のある豊かで楽しい体験を提供できると考えておりますが、その内容を公開できるよう、進めてまいります。
Thanks for addressing your lack of updates. I hope going forward you are true to your word about addressing concerns.
Can you please respond to mine / these questions when you are able:
1- Can you upload a rulebook OR a gameplay video. I don't mind which but I would like to know exactly how the game plays. Every KS has one of the two (sometimes both) and I would love to know how this game plays.
2- we are 11days into the campaign and haven't even reached the 1st unlock.
You said there are more figures to come and I don't want to miss those. Can you EITHER reduce the goals, making them easier to obtain OR give away all stretch goals on campaigns end.
3- Can you post pictures of the minis next to the cards? Either here or social media. I would like to see engagement and this is an easy way to do it.
Thanks again for your apology, I as much as anyone WANTS this campaign to be successful, so I am looking forward to future updates.
Thanks for addressing your lack of updates. I hope going forward you are true to your word about addressing concerns.
→Thank you. We will continue to work on improving our internal processes and response times to better serve our supporters.
Can you please respond to mine / these questions when you are able:
1- Can you upload a rulebook OR a gameplay video. I don't mind which but I would like to know exactly how the game plays. Every KS has one of the two (sometimes both) and I would love to know how this game plays.
→Thank you for your valuable feedback.We preparing more info about the detailed gameplay, the fun of this work, and its features.
2- we are 11days into the campaign and haven't even reached the 1st unlock.
You said there are more figures to come and I don't want to miss those. Can you EITHER reduce the goals, making them easier to obtain OR give away all stretch goals on campaigns end.
→thank you for pointing that out.
Our team is currently reviewing our stretch goal targets.
Please wait for an update.
3- Can you post pictures of the minis next to the cards? Either here or social media. I would like to see engagement and this is an easy way to do it.
→Thank you for your valuable feedback.
We are currently working on plans to introduce the demons that appear in the game.
Please wait just a moment.
Thanks again for your apology, I as much as anyone WANTS this campaign to be successful, so I am looking forward to future updates.
→thank you.
We will work to improve our internal structure and shorten response times so that we can provide better service to our supporters.
For first time backers. Bower also release a video covering some of the worries. Maybe worth a watch for you
https://www.youtube.com/live/la9V3zG3UeE?feature=shared
This has all been address and is unnecessary fear mongering
Don't watch the video red, it's not for you.
Thank you for your valuable feedback.
We are very aware of the great inconvenience and trouble this has caused, and we sincerely apologize.
We are also working to improve our internal structure and shorten our response times so that we can provide better service to our supporters, so we appreciate your patience.
事情は少しわかったけども、アップデートがあったお知らせで見に来て、
ただ先送りしただけの解答を見ることになるのが、どれだけ落胆するか考えてほしい。
せめて順次対応するという内容には、
いつ頃までに解答を載せるか期限も含めてほしい。
結局いつなの？という不安の解消からは程遠い内容です。
既に期日の3分の1を消化していることを考えれば、
即座にルールの公開をしていただいてもいいのでは？と私は感じております。
是非ルールの公開を早めていただきたい。
ゲームの内容の公開を心待ちにしております。
We need to check the rules, quality on non-miniatures components, clarification on vat helping process (pledge manager pages are ready to do that so why put that burden of the process on the customer), etc
こちらの対応で不安な気持ちにさせてしまったことを深くお詫び申し上げます。
支援者の皆様により良いサービスを提供できるよう、社内体制の改善と返答時間の短縮に努めております。
現在、詳細なゲームプレイ、この作品の面白さ、特徴などについて、情報の準備を随時、進めておりますので、大変恐縮ではございますが、もう少しお待ちいただけますと幸いです。
We need a playthrough video
This would be great! Please.
Sorry.
We preparing more info about the detailed gameplay, the fun of this work, and its features.
Please wait for a while.