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Have to change my work laptop from W10 to linux soon
How well can linux run Solidworks and other industry applications?
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How do I trouble shoot disks not showing up? I'm plugging in external hdd's and sd cards but nothing shows up.
arch plasma
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>>103241634
Wine doesn't run Solidworks particularly well at all. You'd have to use something like FreeCAD or OnShape, or make an offline Windows VM and install/run Solidworks through that.
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>>103241887
Check for errors in dmesg/journalctl?
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can you create a user-owned repo in gentoo? so as to not have to write the ebuild somewhere and then sudo cp into the repo?
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>>103241887
Are they not showing up in lsblk or a GUI file browser? The latter you can fix by setting up udisks2.
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>>103241578 (OP)
So my PARTUUID changed and fucked up my boot sequence. It's booting into (initramfs) and now I'm not sure how to edit my fstab and cmdline without nano or vim. Can anyone help me?
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>>103241977
>udisks2
>>103241966
i tried fdisk -l and it doesnt show up at all. its really weird because my powered hdd will show up and i can go through luks and all that shit
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>>103242081
Your initramfs should have busybox vi
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>>103242266
Yes, it's all read only though. I'm not sure how to remount it.
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>>103242323
I booted into a liveCD and edited it manually which fixed it.
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Linux is so fucking fragile holy shit but it's just as easy to fix.
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>>103241634
i have a windows vm with a passed-through gpu just for solidworks. i've seen people run it in wine, but i'm not confident that would be reliable. solidworks is unstable enough even in windows. plus i doubt i could use my 3D mouse in such a setup, since that requires a driver and wine doesn't really support that
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>>103242323
mount -oremount,rw /path/to/mount
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>>103242390
The boot process crap? It can be simplified a lot depending on where your root filesystem is located.
Reasoning for complexity are modular design and the attempt to support everything.
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>>103242472
Thank you
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>>103239331 →
what exactly is wrong with the mumble client?
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>>103242979
Broken on Wayland and the devs haven't figured out how to fix PTT in two years.
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Can I increase the size of the hard drive on my virtual machine? Im using virtualbox and is vdi
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>>103243328
It has a GUI. Every feature is discoverable as long as you have more than room temperature IQ. Do your reps.
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I'm somewhat new to linux, very new to messing about with the nitty gritty of partitions and filesystems, and I'm following the arch wiki installation guide. I see this section:
>Create any remaining mount points under /mnt (such as /mnt/boot for /boot)
Is this something I have to do now, or ever? I already ran
mount /dev/nvme0n1p3 /mnt

I don't know what it's trying to tell me. I may be in over my head.
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>>103243554
just create the folders you tard, they need to exist before you can mount anything there
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>>103243554
If you literally get filtered by mounting a partition then just use the Archinstall script.
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>>103243774
So I just need to mkdir in the existing partition? It's making it sound like I need to mount every directory individually by adding --mkdir alongside the mount command, but I guess this is wrong and I just need to mkdir each one, right? The wording "create any remaining mount points" makes it sound different to just creating folders.

Additionally, how do I know which folders to create? I figured there'd either be a link to a list of folders to make, or it would do it all for me.

>>103243841
I may just restart and do that.
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>>103243887
If you doing it manually, you fucked up with the order somewhere because /mnt/boot should be there.

You:
>Partition with CGdisk
>Mount the root to /mnt
>pacstrap /mnt bash
>Mount the boot to the /mnt/boot
>arch-chroot /mnt
>Install bootloader
>Configure locales, keyboard, etc
>Reboot
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>>103243918
Also genfstab (very important)

This is just all off the top of my head. The wiki should cover all of this.
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>>103243918
>>pacstrap /mnt bash
base not bash
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>>103241974
Put it in /var/local/db/repos/localoverlay
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>>103243554
>Is this something I have to do now
Yes
>>103243887
>So I just need to mkdir in the existing partition?
I don't know what you mean by "the existing partition," but you need to mount your fresh root partition to /mnt, then create a directory in there that you can mount your fresh boot partition in (will be /mnt/boot right now, but will be /boot later when you actually mount your root parition at / instead of /mnt), and then mount it there.
>The wording "create any remaining mount points" makes it sound different to just creating folders
It's not different.
>how do I know which folders to create?
Did you create any other partitions? Some people put /home on its own partition, so if you did that you'd have to add it here. If you're following the guide to the letter then you won't have any others.
>>103243918
>you fucked up with the order somewhere because /mnt/boot should be there
No it shouldn't. You're wrong.
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>>103244153
>>103241974
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Creating_an_ebuild_repository
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>>103244157
>No it shouldn't. You're wrong.
It should. If you
pacstrap /mnt base
the base package installs an empty /boot. If it doesn't then you didn't do that.
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>>103244167
>It should
No it shouldn't. Go read the guide. Pacstrap comes after the step he's working on right now, so it hasn't installed anything yet. He's setting up completely fresh empty partitions right now and setting up the mount tree before running pacstrap, as he should.
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>>103244179
Why do you install the bootloader and kernel before the base system?

The Wiki is wrong if that's really what it says. Use your head.
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>>103244184
He's not installing the bootloader right now you dumb nigger, he's just mounting /boot and any other partitions. Read.
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>>103244189
Yes, that comes afterwards.

>Partition
>Mount root
>
pacstrap /mnt base

>Mount boot
>genfstab > /mnt/etc/fstab
>arch-chroot /mnt
>Install and configure kernel and bootloader
>Install and configure locales, keyboard, etc
>Install desktop and other software like a web browser, etc
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>>103244184
>The Wiki is wrong
lmao
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>>103244205
Do you really think it makes sense to do it in such a backwards way?

Follow:
>>103244201
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>>103244209
It's not backwards at all. You need to set up the mount tree before running pacstrap, though in this particular case as long as pacstrap doesn't need to put anything in /boot it won't hurt anything if you mount it later instead. Other potential mounts like /home or /usr definitely need to be done before pacstrap though, and it makes sense to just do them all together.
I don't know why you're insisting on this completely pointless and nonstandard reordering of steps.
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>>103244201
don't you genfstab inside the chroot?

I don't do this often enough to know it by heart
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>>103244229
>You need to set up the mount tree before running pacstrap, though in this particular case as long as pacstrap doesn't need to put anything in /boot it won't hurt anything if you mount it later instead.
You don't. Ever since they stopped putting the kernel in base nothing installs any files to /boot
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>>103244233
I think so yes, this just from memory but the ordering is correct.
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>>103244237
>>103244233
You can also do:
genfstab /mnt > /mnt/etc/fstab


The /mnt is the root, it just uses / as the root (so inside the chroot) if you don't specify it.
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>>103243918
>Partition with CGdisk
I used fdisk followed by mkfs instead
>Mount the root to /mnt
Just did that
>pacstrap /mnt bash
That's what I was about to do, before it told me to "create any remaining mount points".

I'm following this:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
and I've just executed the first command in section 1.11.

>>103244157
>I don't know what you mean by "the existing partition
The root partition that I put the ext4 filesystem on and mounted to /mnt. I'm assuming I'd do something along the lines of
mkdir /mnt/boot
or maybe
mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p3/boot
, It's still not crystal clear how what I have now with a mounted file system on a partition will become a conventional directory.
>It's not different
Ok good, I guess it refers to them as "mount points" not because I create them in the same way I created /mnt, but because I'll be mounting them later?
>Did you create any other partitions?
No I did not. How much of a quality of life feature is it to have extra partitions?

Glad to see I've started a flame war.
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>>103244272
>trying to create a mountpoint inside /dev
Windowsbrain failure. You are not ready for Arch.
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>>103244272
>>Did you create any other partitions?
>No I did not. How much of a quality of life feature is it to have extra partitions?
What's your partition layout look like?

Post the output of
fdisk -l


If this is a legacy BIOS/MBR system then you don't need a /boot partition. For modern GPT/UEFI systems you'll need a FAT32 EFI System partition that you can mount at /boot (assuming you want to store your kernels and bootloaders on it, only the bootloader needs to be on the ESP but you can put the kernels there too if you want if you want to boot them via EFISTUB, etc)
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>>103244284
what has that to do with windows?
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>>103244272
>I'm assuming I'd do something along the lines of mkdir /mnt/boot
Yes
>or maybe mkdir /dev/nvme0n1p3/boot
I can see why you would think that's similar, but it would not work. /dev/nvme0n1p3 is a block device representing a partition, not a mounted filesystem you can make directories in. You mounted that device to /mnt specifically so you can modify it through /mnt.
>I guess it refers to them as "mount points" not because I create them in the same way I created /mnt, but because I'll be mounting them later?
Yeah. A "mount point" is just a normal directory that is intended to have something mounted over it.
>How much of a quality of life feature is it to have extra partitions?
Pretty much none if you don't have a specific use case for it. Having a seperate partition for /home is sometimes nice because you can wipe and reinstall a fresh root system and just keep your old /home, but obviously there are plenty of other ways to accomplish the same thing. Most people install to a single partition these days.
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Stop it with logos as OPs already
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>>103244308
It shows a confused thought process based on how DOS/Windows drive letters work rather than understanding what /dev actually is and why you would never mount anything there in Linux.
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>>103244338
You definitely can mount partitions there if you want to though because after all, a mountpoint is just directory. I mount the root of my BTRFS drive there at /dev/root:
$ grep -F /dev/root /proc/mounts
/dev/nvme0n1p2 /dev/root btrfs rw,noatime,compress=zstd:6,ssd,discard=async,space_cache,subvolid=5,subvol=/ 0 0
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>>103244338
You wouldn't do it like that on windows either though.
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>>103244284
Macbrain, I'm sick of homebrew needing 10% of my hard drive worth of xcode bullshit to run.

>>103244294
>Post the output
Pic related, have an lsblk -f too.
FYI I have no idea what a 4GiB swap partition is meant to do, it sounded right at the time.

>>103244329
>it would not work
>You mounted that device to /mnt specifically so you can modify it through /mnt
I figured as much, just threw it out there.
>Pretty much none if you don't have a specific use case for it
Good to know.
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>>103244409
>swap partition before root partition
anon
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>>103244409
Oh and after that UUID for nvme0n1p3, there's:
>FSAVAIL = 885.4G
>FSUSE% = 0%
>MOUNTPOINTS = /mnt
nvme0n1p3 has [SWAP] for its MOUNTPOINTS

>>103244434
I'm just following the wiki
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>>103244409
So mount:

/dev/nvme0n1p3 to /mnt
pacstrap /mnt base


Then:
mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /mnt/boot

Then carry on with the rest of the install. arch-chroot, install bootloader and kernel (the files will go to your ESP mounted at /mnt/boot), etc
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>>103244409
Ignore >>103244442 and just do what the arch wiki says. I don't know why he's insisting on having you do steps out of order for no reason. It'll work fine either way but there's no reason to do what he's saying.
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>>103244453
You don't install the kernel and bootloader before the base-system, there's no reason for that, but as you said it'll work fine either way. It seems stupid to me to
mkdir /mnt/boot
and mount the boot partition before you even have your base filesystem down.

If you were installing Arch via a tarball then it'd already contain a /mnt/boot when you extract it and then you mount over the top of it.

It doesn't really matter, but doing things in logical order makes more sense to me. Nothing needs the boot partition before the base filesystem is down on the root partition so mount it later.
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>>103244442
>>103244453
Ah, I was getting myself confused about UEFI precondition to 1.11 step two, but UEFI is what I'm doing so I should absolutely execute that line.
Thanks for being patient with me.
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>>103244471
>You don't install the kernel and bootloader before the base-system
Nobody is saying otherwise anon
>doing things in logical order makes more sense to me
There is no "logic" to something that doesn't matter. He is following a step by step guide and you're screeching at him to do steps out of order for no reason when he's already struggling. Stop confusing him further by making him keep track of your arbitrary deviations from the completely correct guide he's following.
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>>103244495
Do you know what a Wiki is? I could go and edit it right now.

Following steps in chronological order often makes things easier to keep track of in my opinion, especially when they're already confused.
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>>103244505
>I could go and edit it right now
Go ahead and try it, big man
>Following steps in chronological order often makes things easier to keep track of in my opinion
Yes, which is what I'm telling him to do. You're the one telling him to deviate from that order because you have some autistic obsession with delaying the mounting of one specific partition as long as possible for no apparent reason. I get that you're weirdly invested in this now, but seriously just fuck off
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>>103244529
The wiki is the thing that confused them in the first place because all they have is an empty partition mounted at /mnt.
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>>103244533
>>103244505
Everyone writing manual install guides should do a variable or two, like $TARGET instead of /mnt. Or do what Debian installer does: install to /target.
(just "/mnt" as a mount point is super confusing (everyone expects mount points UNDER it))
>>103244453
Don't you always start manual installations like that? Take a partition and put userland in it? What would you even configure/do if you don't have anything to work on?
t. didn't read Arch install guide
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Compiled, built and successfully used a linux kernel today anons. Took 27 minutes to make on an i7 raptor lake nuc with 64G of ram. Now i can build from source i can learn how to hack the kernel and remove shit i dont use or need.
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>>103244661
>remove shit i dont use or need
Like?
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>>103244821
Dunno yet, ive read i can remove a shit ton of drivers to slim down the kernel. Virtualization as well. Early days, much to read and break.
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>>103244364
always use "compress-force" with zstd. zstd has a better heuristic for not compressing incompressible data, you'll end up with much more stuff being compressed than if you use "compress", btrfs's heuristic is dead simple, it checks if the first 64k of a file can be compressed, if it can, it leaves compression on for the file, if it can't, it disables compression for the file... permanently
i can understand it's better than nothing and like back when zstd didn't exist/wasn't in btrfs, it was at least some way to avoid wasting time on incompressible files, but now zstd is smarter than that, compress-force instead just passes everything through zstd for it to figure out. incompressible data still stays uncompressed on disc, since zstd can skip it itself
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>>103244364
>>103244930
also p.s, changing the option will leave existing files as they are. you can get btrfs to recompress everything, but this does have a caveat that any shared data will become unshared. this means any snapshots or reflinks will become their own files, so you'll want to be in a position to re-do those if you want to actually save space with recompressing
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>>103244661
>27 minutes
>i7 raptor lake
So, there's still hundreds of shits to disable huh?
Also the firewalling is kinda huge so you may want to disable it altogether.
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>>103244990
Yeah i just wanted to see how long it took to build the full mainline kernel without touching menuconfig. Not bad for a little nuc though. Did get a bit hot, was at 95C on all cores, didnt slow it down though.
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>>103244661
Now you can start *embedding* features and stop using initramfs for that functionality.
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>>103244153
>>103244160
i obviously already read the article, i wouldn't ask otherwise. it says to give ownership to the portage user. i'm asking if it's possible to make a repo owned by my own user so i can have write permissions.
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>>103245436
Add the portage user to your user's group if you want to do that.
>>
what distros do most kernel developers use?
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>>103245455
Well Linus Torvalds uses Fedora and Greg Kroah Hartman uses Arch (by the way).
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>>103241578 (OP)
Where do I go to look at riced or at least aesthetic looking desktops in linux?
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My ubuntu system doesn't let me use an external usb drive. I can see it in lsusb and dmesg but not in udev or among the partitions.
>sudo modprobe -v usb_storage:
says the usb_storage (or usb-storage) module was not found in the kernel dir, how do I fix it? Anyone had this issue/knows?
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>>103245622
run
dmesg -w
then plug the drive in, post new messages
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>>103245622
>module was not found in the kernel dir
Well is it there? What do you have in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/usb ?
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>>103245639
thanks, I got
[ 1954.022216] usb 3-3: new high-speed USB device number 9 using xhci_hcd
[ 1954.226432] usb 3-3: New USB device found, idVendor=0bc2, idProduct=2037, bcdDevice=19.01
[ 1954.226449] usb 3-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[ 1954.226456] usb 3-3: Product: Expansion HDD
[ 1954.226463] usb 3-3: Manufacturer: Seagate
[ 1954.226469] usb 3-3: SerialNumber: 00000000NACCXW41
[ 1954.238817] scsi host2: uas
[ 1954.249376] scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access Seagate Expansion HDD 1901 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
[ 1954.250787] audit: type=1400 audit(1732104611.241:473): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" class="file" profile="snap.spotify.spotify" name="/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:08.1/0000:05:00.4/usb3/3-3/descriptors" pid=7848 comm="ThreadPoolForeg" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[ 1954.252101] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0
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>>103245681
Whoops, /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/
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>>103245682
Looks like it's using the uas module, like it should. Why do you want it to use the old usb-storage module?
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>>103245712
just a random "solution" I found while researching the problem. But the drive doesn't show up in disks, gparted or /dev/ after that, does that mean it might be damaged or could it still be some software issue?
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>>103245736
>But the drive doesn't show up in disks, gparted or /dev/ after that
So you don't have a /dev/sg0?
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Is there some CLI audio player that's not music management library?
I want something like just play audio when browsing audio files with ranger.
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>>103245764
Damn. I do, but when I try to mount it, I get an
> is not a block device
error. It worked just fine yesterday and I'm trying to figure what went wrong
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>>103245764
that's not what the sg0 refers to
>>103245682
so it detects it with usb, then scsi, and can even get the usb descriptors like name and serial, but it's not being set up like what udev should do, giving it a device like /dev/sdz
like here's an example of what it should look like. nothing in your dmesg is bad, it just stops early, like there's something in udev preventing it from being set up

[81591.424411] usb 1-5: new high-speed USB device number 6 using xhci_hcd
[81591.655493] usb 1-5: New USB device found, idVendor=0ea0, idProduct=2168, bcdDevice= 2.00
[81591.655498] usb 1-5: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
[81591.655499] usb 1-5: Product: Flash Disk
[81591.655501] usb 1-5: Manufacturer: USB
[81591.678662] usb-storage 1-5:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
[81591.678791] scsi host7: usb-storage 1-5:1.0
[81592.703943] scsi 7:0:0:0: Direct-Access USB Flash Disk 2.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
[81592.704224] sd 7:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
[81593.767839] ready
[81593.769138] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] 1024000 512-byte logical blocks: (524 MB/500 MiB)
[81593.769272] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[81593.769274] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
[81593.769408] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] No Caching mode page found
[81593.769410] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[81593.771773] sdb: sdb1 sdb2
[81593.771831] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk

(yes, this is an ancient 512M usb drive)
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>>103245808
>when I try to mount it
Yeah don't do that. sg devices are raw scsi interfaces, not mass storage block devices. You can write scsi commands to it and read their responses back, but not read through their data like a file.
If you're getting an sg device then the scsi controller on the drive is responding, but when the driver tries to send it commands to learn about the data structure on the disk it's not getting a usable response, so it can't create a block device. Usually that means your drive is dead, but I guess it could be a software issue if you've been mucking around with your kernel.
Got any other drives to plug in to test?
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>>103245821
>that's not what the sg0 refers to
Huh? Yes it is. It refers to his drive, just the scsi layer.
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>>103245839
it refers to the drive, but not something that would show in disks/gparted
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>>103245821
>>103245833
thank you very, very much for the explanation.
I checked another external hdd and it worked. So it's clearly this one's isssue. I really hope it's not completely dead and I can recover my data.
Again, thanks for diagnosing the problem with me.
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>>103245847
I didn't say otherwise
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>>103245852
>I really hope it's not completely dead and I can recover my data.
You almost certainly can't. This is a "carefully remove the drive platters in a clean room and transplant them into a working drive with its platters removed and then pray a lot" kind of fix. You don't have the equipment to do it and that data probably isn't worth the cost of having someone else do it.
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>>103245852
looking at your output, it's an external hdd
if i take my external usb hdd enclosure and take the hdd out of it, when i turn it on, it gets as far as yours does instantly;
82185.956009] usb 2-2: new SuperSpeed USB device number 5 using xhci_hcd
[82185.974388] usb 2-2: New USB device found, idVendor=152d, idProduct=0578, bcdDevice= 1.08
[82185.974391] usb 2-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[82185.974393] usb 2-2: Product: LITEON ULTRA 1
[82185.974394] usb 2-2: Manufacturer: LITEON ULTRA 1
[82185.974395] usb 2-2: SerialNumber: 0000000000125
[82186.023933] scsi host6: uas
[82186.024438] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access LITEON UITRA1 0108 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
[82186.026853] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0

followed a few seconds later with errors regarding scsi communication, naturally because there's no hdd for it to talk to;
[82191.984143] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] Unit Not Ready
[82191.984149] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] Sense Key : Hardware Error [current]
[82191.984153] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] ASC=0x44 <<vendor>>ASCQ=0x81
...
[82192.508938] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] 0 512-byte logical blocks: (0 B/0 B)
[82192.508942] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] 0-byte physical blocks
[82192.722263] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
[82192.792276] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] Asking for cache data failed
[82192.792280] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through
[82192.915598] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] Preferred minimum I/O size 4096 bytes not a multiple of physical block size (0 bytes)
[82192.915602] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] Optimal transfer size 33553920 bytes not a multiple of physical block size (0 bytes)
[82192.915892] sd 6:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk

so what it could be is that the enclosure is working, but it's not talking to the hdd or the hdd isn't responding
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>update kernel
>now all vidya stops working
>reinstalled nvidia drivers
>run @module-rebuild
>still not working
Anyone know what could be causing this?
Games load initially but then crash before getting to the main menu.
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>>103245897
>nvidia
lmao
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>>103245897
what distro? is the driver itself loaded? could be missing libs on the newer version
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>>103245940
Gentoo.

I'm getting a lot of errors about qtbase that i'm trying to resolve at the moment.
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>>103245974
Fug. I'm guessing you don't get prebuilt kmods like Arch or RHEL.
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>>103245897
>>103245974
always wanting to be on the latest version of everything sounds painful
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trying to play jedi fallen order with lutris and gamescope. problem is that gamescope is using 's' as the screenshot key instead of super + s so i can't walk backwards. where do i even change the binds?
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>>103241578 (OP)
Is there an easy way to log out and return to the SDDM login screen from the terminal?
using loginctl or killing processes just gives me a black screen with a flickering underscore that I can't interact with, forcing me to restart.
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>>103245897
Ok so i've uninstalled the nvidia drivers, restarded and somehow I still have a display?
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What are the odds that i will never be able to use my multimonitor setup on more modern nvidia drivers? IE is it potentially unsolvable or is it a matter of complex configuration?
I'm not going to draw anyone into my particualr problem at this stage but the further i check and change the more complex the issue is becoming to resolve.
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How do I switch between RADV and AMDVLK if I have both? I need latter for testing purposes.
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why is it like this
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>>103247519
Is that virtual memory?

Firefox for me at the moment is showing as using 12.3 gigs of virtual memory in htop, despite the fact that less than 6 gigs of RAM is in use, and my zram is currently empty, and I don't have a swapfile
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I just want good HDR under linux on nvidia goddammiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
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>>103245897
when you update your kernel your nvidia kernel modules no longer match the active kernel that is still running. You gotta reboot.
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>>103247872
That was actual memory, my total system memory usage was at 60GB. I don't even have swap enabled.
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My PC has been giving me some trouble for the past weeks. Basically, every now and then the screen goes completely black and a "no signal" text appears. I am completely unable to get out of this, so I have to turn the pc off manually..

I know for sure this isn't just a video issue because one time I was watching a video and when the screen went black, the audio kept going. I figured I could be able to interact with the PC somehow, so I pressed alt+f4 but nothing happened, the audio just kept going. I figured this means the PC doesn't recognize keystrokes when it enters this state.

I am running Linux Mint 21.3 XFCE. My gpu is an RX 570, and I am using an old monitor that only has VGA ports via a cheap HDMI to VGA converter. (not sure if this is relevant). Is this kind of issue supposed to show up on logs? Did anyone have any similar experiences?
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>>103248319
Just to be clear, I am sure the active window was the one the video was playing on, so closing it would have stopped the audio.
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wtf the difference between bcachefs and btrfs? both are cow filesystems right? why would I switch my btrfs root partition to bcachefs? not quite I understand the reason it exists or what problem it is trying to solve that hasn't been solved yet.
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>>103248264
Damn, you must have opened a lot of tabs
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>>103245786
Anyone?
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/g/entlemen

my fresh install of Arch with nvidia drivers (proprietary and open were tested so far) boots to a black screen.

I know it's the GPU drivers because when I boot the install medium with nomodeset it works, but for some reason nomodeset does not work when I boot from the actual machine (unless I chroot into it from install medium)

I've done everything in this >leddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1bdf8eo/black_screen_after_installing_nvidia/

I have two older GPUs, RTX 2070 supers.

Starting to lose all hope kek
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>>103241578 (OP)
This has been driving me insane and I hope I can get an answer here. I'm on Mint Cinnamon and I have a dual monitor set up, everytime I put my computer on suspend and reboot my BenQ (24")'s display gets reset to 1024 x 768 and its driving me insane, how do I fix this for good?
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>>103248803
de/wm? no terminal just straight black screen? how did you install the drivers then? did you try the dkms drivers with the lts kernel?
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>>103247317
got it working, key wasnt being accepted by the kernel was the problem.
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love my loonix anons
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>>103249190
Do you love your loonix and want to share it with the anons, or do you love the loonix-anons?
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>>103249219
both
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>>103249190
same here anon
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>>103248368
bcachefs is intended to replace btrfs and zfs with a smaller code base on a 5-20 year timeline. There's no good reason to use it now.
>but what does it do different
Fully working parity RAID, filesystem level caching and encryption. Essentially it covers the 'why should i use zfs without muh enterprise memes' checklist.

Incidentally xfs is a CoW filesystem and much faster than all of the above.
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>>103249437
yeah. my root is btrfs and home dir is xfs. I though xfs was a journaling fs though
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>>103249580
yeah xfs is journalling

>XFS is a high-performance journaling file system created by Silicon Graphics, Inc.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XFS
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after 2 years, i finally installed arch again with dual boot and i don't remember the last time i booted windows, everything works great, but i feel like i'm missing something, where can i learn more about what makes my linux boot? like services and other stuffs.
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>>103249613
>>103249437
oops meant to ping you too.
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>>103249580
I suggest you keep everything btrfs. Safest FS out there only second to ZFS
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>>103249619
unironically deep dive into systemd's documentation
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>>103249613
>XFS is a high-performance journaling file system created by Silicon Graphics, Inc. XFS is particularly proficient at parallel IO due to its allocation group based design. This enables extreme scalability of IO threads, filesystem bandwidth, file and filesystem size when spanning multiple storage devices.
Cool.

>As of kernel 3.2.12, the default i/o scheduler, CFQ, will defeat much of the parallelization in XFS.
kek
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>>103241578 (OP)
How do DEs like XFCE bundle software into a labeled menu after installation?
Say I install gvim, it goes into the applications menu -> text editors
I want something like that for my WM. Sometimes it's hard to recall that PissfuckDD-4 is the one utility I need to burn a CD.
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>>103246127
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>>103249638
>I suggest you keep everything btrfs. Safest FS out there only second to ZFS
i did that for a bit but I did something wrong or the hdd was bad, idk, and the fs corrupted. tried recovering it with the btrfs utils but I got lazy figuring it out and I already ran backups nightly on that machine. It was just easier to restore from a backup and re-partition. When re-partitioning and restoring from the backup, I arbitrarily decided to try xfs on my home partition for shits and giggles. Doesn't hurt to try new things.

that being said backups + btrfs snapshots are def the way to go and I have no complaints. It's always my go too when it comes to a root partition on machines that are not servers I want to use xfs on. But I like how fast and stable xfs is so I never swapped away from it as my home partition.

>>103249859
>>As of kernel 3.2.12, the default i/o scheduler, CFQ, will defeat much of the parallelization in XFS.
>kek
haven't looked that deep into it. it just works for me and is fast.
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If I specify environment variables inside a systemd service file, are they defined globally or for the corresponding process only?
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>>103250130
Why would they be defined globally.
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>>103243010
PTT doesnt work because global hotkeys on wayland dont work properly without manual config
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>>103246127
systemctl stop sddm
systemctl start sddm

???
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>>103249910
qdbus org.kde.Shutdown /Shutdown logout
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>>103250732
Use restart, not stop/start. You might not be able to type the start again, if you blindly stop it.
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>>103250130
Use /etc/environment or Systemd environment.d files if you want them defined globally.
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>>103241578 (OP)
KDE Connect fucking ROCKS.
I was dreading that I would have to fuck about with a gorrillion settings only for the controller (pic related, second half) to show up on my wrist right when I started playing music.

Gonna donate to KDE when I get my next paycheck.
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>>103251254
I know.
Sadly you need KDE to work best.
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>>103251322
>Sadly you need KDE to work best.
Not even true, I use gnome and use everything KDE connect has to offer.
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>>103251349
Yeah, Gnome has it's one Gnome connect.
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>>103251486
>Gnome connect
That's a fucking turd though
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>>103241578 (OP)
Any anons that daily drive RISC-V/POWER9/whatever else here?
What are the hurdles of using these less-supported architectures?
How's software support?
I'm a Gentoo user and I'm used to compiling software via Portage, but no so much manually.

Take for example xwallpaper. It doesn't have a RISC-V ebuild in the repositories.
In cases like these, could I just git clone the sources from github and compile it the same way one would on AMD64, but with
-march=rv64gc -mabi=lp64d
set and then just running
make && make install
?
Is that all it takes if I can't find binaries for my architecture or am I missing something?
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>>103245455
Irrelevant.
>>103245622
>plug in drive
>file manager doesn't automatically open
Right?
>assume you are missing a module
How did you figure that?
Besides isn't that usually a builtin?
Or did you booted a broken system that doesn't have any modules? Are you like on a graphical desktop and all?
>can see it in lsusb and dmesg but not in udev or among the partitions.
>not in udev or among the partitions.
"In udev"? Thought udev was a program.
>or among the partitions.
What?
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>>103251520
>Any anons that daily drive RISC-V/POWER9/whatever else here?
I'm interested in that as well as I'm considering getting a Snapdragon T14s, but they're expensive.
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>>103251349
>I use gnome
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>>103251607
I myself am waiting for the Milk-V Oasis (RISC-V)
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>>103249619
>services
>booting
Never thought it like that. When you get to things like services, isn't the system already "up"? Past the hardware shenanigans at least.
But as the other anon said, read the systemd docs. And before considering other init/service systems I got to say systemd is the easiest and most featureful.
Here's some example "units":
# /etc/systemd/system/pacman-updater.timer 
[Timer]
OnCalendar=weekly
Persistent=true
[Install]
WantedBy=timers.target

# /etc/systemd/system/pacman-updater.service 
[Service]
Type=oneshot
ExecStart=/usr/bin/pacman -Syuq --noconfirm --noprogressbar

>>103249190
I hate mine!
>>103245786
>CLI audio player that's not music management library?
So you want absolutely no interface of any kind? Just launch to background? mpg123. idk what Ranger is or does but if it's something scriptable I'd use mpg123 in the script.
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>>103245786
For that I use mpv, but I assume you could use your audio server's utilities (pw-play, paplay, whatever else) for that too.
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>>103251678
It's comfy when you rice it. Gonna switch to hyprland when gayland reaches maturity with ngaydia GPUs.
>>103251680
>Milk-V Oasis
>Prototype Board with 2 CAMM modules
HOLY BASED, thanks for bringing this to my attention anon!
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Say you got a newer, better drive perfect for your Linux install partition.
How would you go about migrating your install onto that drive?
Would you clone it, or reinstall from scratch?
What would be your preferred tools for the task? DD, gparted, reinstallation scripts?
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>decide to install pygame to mess around with
>python3 -m pip install pygame
>I CAN'T DO THAT, PYTHON ON THIS LINUX SYSTEM IS MANAGED DIFFERENTLY, YOU NEED TO INSTALL THIS THING THROUGH APT
>ok
>apt install python3-pygame
>python3 -m pygame.example.aliens
>THIS MODULE DOESN'T EXIST
>apparently the pygame in apt doesn't include any of the examples to test with
>nor are they in any other component that can be installed
>ok, fuck it, I'll compile the bitch myself
>apt remove python3-pygame
>apt-get install all-my-fucking-dependancies seriously-how-many-are-fucking-needed god-damn
>git clone https://github.com/pygame/pygame.git
>cd pygame
>python3 setup.py build
>I CAN'T DO THAT, YOU ARE MISSING CYTHON, INSTALL IT
>pip install cython
>I CAN'T DO THAT, PYTHON ON THIS LINUX SYSTEM IS MANAGED DIFFERENTLY, YOU NEED TO INSTALL THIS THING THROUGH APT
>apt install cython
>DOES NOT EXIST
>apt install python3-cython
>DOES NOT EXIST
>google up Cython to get it
>"just install with pip bro"
>"Oh, you wanna compile it yourself? Just use apt-get install build-essential python3-dev and you'll have everything you need"
>both are already installed and newest versions
>finally hunt down a source package for Cython
>build and install Cython
>build pygame finally and install
>despite building with all optimizations on, it still complains about missing optimization and being unable to load some drivers
I swear dealing with Python on Linux is the exact opposite of dealing with C/C++ on Linux. Either that or I need to completely remove Python and compile it entirely from source. I usually try to let apt handle things, but this has been needlessly complex.
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>>103251486
there is another client, valent or something
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>>103252045
I'd MIGRATE, been migrating from partition to partition also when switching filesystems.
Read up on Gentoo or Arch or similar installation guide and apply it. Instead of "pacstrapping Arch" or "extracting Stage3" you'd instead
cp --archive /mnt/old_installation/* /mnt/new_installation

on a third party system like a live installer. Obviously you have to follow the guide a bit further like enter new UUIDs to your new fstab, set passwords and so on.
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>apparently nvidia has official open source divers now

are they any good?
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>>103252549
>open
lol
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>>103252549
>>103252648
Not open but making the driver installation less fucky?
You know like
>take a mainstream Linux kernel and try to add Nvidia support thru DKMS
VS
>take a mainstream Linux kernel, flip a switch and Nvidia works
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>>103252045
just rsync and update your fstab/bootloader
basically like doing a regular root tarball install, only the root in question is an existing one rather than a new one
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holy fuck errno is so fuckign retarded
why the fuck those sufkcing retarded fuction dont just retrun a fucking negative number and then you just take absolute value of it and then query some table to get the error?
like why if make a filedescirptor non-block i need to handle it differtly because it constantly spams me with `Resouce temporarily unavaible`
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>>103252979
Flipping burgers might be a more appropriate profession for you.
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The tranny CoC is fucking over bcachefs and Kent.

https://www.patr

eon


/posts/trouble-in-116412665
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>>103253418
>the CoC board
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>>103252549
They basically made the kernel mode code a shim and put all the driver logic in the proprietary signed firmware so I guess it's better from a distro maintenance perspective.
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>>103253461
So. They moved whatever was in the actual module, into the blob?
If the firmware blob itself is executable code, does that mean Nvidia is x86-only?
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>>103253496
not him, but firmwares aren't run on your cpu, they're loaded onto a device and executed by the device. so it doesn't matter what kind of cpu you have
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i just got a qd-oled monitor and it displays certain levels of gray like this. wtf is that?
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>>103253631
You got meme'd on by Korean guerilla marketers.
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>>103253592
>>103253496
Nvidia's firmware is probably all RISC-V because that's the SoC that's on every Nvidia GPU that executes them.

The host architecture is irrelevant.
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I (>>103244495) might be retarded. Still following the arch installation guide today (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide), and sitting at step 3.8. I thought that I didn't need to install a bootloader because I was under the impression I'd made a UEFI bootable stub, but when I rebooted the machine and unplugged the flash drive I found nothing but the mobo's bios.

Also I read what a swap partition is, and decided to use 48GB instead of 4GB, considering I have 32GB RAM.
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>>103253903
That's an absolutely gigantic swap partition. Are you sure you need that much?
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>>103252185
>>103252751
Thanks anons, there seemed to be a dozen different ways people say are the way to migrate partitions when I was doing research.
Glad I could get your perspectives.

I might pop back in to report how it goes for me later.
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>>103253418
>>103253456
I somehow do not think this will fly:
>So, this dispute with the CoC takes on a personal element for me, as someone who is community minded and takes pride in my work and hates to the same work done badly. I'd like a better process that isn't so heavy handed for dealing with situations where tensions rise and communications break down.
>
>As for that process: just talk to people.

He needs to realise the CoC bullies are not going to go away, it's too late for that now. Swallow his pride and write some bullshit apology and then move on.

Don't lose your job over this. It's not worth it.
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>>103252127
use a venv
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>>103253969
All the articles I found say it should be larger than your memory.
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>>103254025
Depends on your goals. If you have a lot of memory then you absolutely do not need a huge Swap file/partition unless you plan to hibernate.
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>>103254049
Hibernation is the sole reason for why every article says it needs to match your memory, by the way.

If you have a 128 GB of memory and that's all full and you plan to hibernate the system fully such that all of the RAM in the system becomes completely powered off (i.e not a hybrid sleep) then all of that 128 GB needs to be written to disk.

The upper bound is how much memory is actually in use (some buffers and caches can be dropped).
With compression you can get away with slightly less too.
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What's a good lightweight, touch-friendly distro for a touch-based terminal like this?
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>>103254049
not him but i have a massive swap not for hibernate, but because it's zram swap
the main concern with having "too much" swap is down to speed, with a zram swap i could actually use 20GB+ of it while still having a usable system. the slower the storage the swap is on, the less you can reasonably have
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>>103254108
android-x86?
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>>103254025
Swap is for RAMlets.
I don’t think anything except the electron app from hell would ever use more than 32GB.
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>>103254049
>>103254070
Hibernation sounds like something I might want to do, maybe. I've got a 1TB SSD compared to my old 256GB, I won't miss 5% of it.

>>103254125
Modded minecraft.

Anyone have any clue about the bootloader question? >>103253903
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>>103254117
Having more Swap absolutely doesn't mean more of it is going to be used.

The speed of the storage medium is a real issue when it comes to paging in and out of it though. You absolutely do not want Swap on a slow spinning rust disk if you can avoid it. If you want to hibernate (and barely anyone does these days, I don't) then it's unavoidable though.
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>>103248319
Have you tried to get into another TTY when that happens? CTRL+ALT+F2/F3/F4 etc.

That happened to me sometimes with my RX580. Changing to another TTY and back "fixed" it.
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>>103254132
>Having more Swap absolutely doesn't mean more of it is going to be used.
not without adjusting vm.swappiness, which i have. because my swap is faster than my disc, i have it set over 100, as in my case with super fast swap, i would prefer to swap out some anonymous pages before dropping all my file caches
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>>103254165
vm.swappiness is like a hint though. It should be set in line with storage speed like you've done because the cheaper the I/O cost of swapping, the less bad it is to do so. I've changed it too but it doesn't mean all of it will suddenly get used aggressively. If there's nothing to page in/out then you'll still see minimal usage. Then suddenly if you start hitting the system hard and using lots of tmpfs, etc, you'll see more usage.
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>>103254165
Don't the write cycles on the SSD from swapping wear it significantly faster than normal use?
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>>103254436
Your SSD is probably rated for multiple terabytes of write cycles. You're not going to "wear it out" just from swapping. Not unless it's some cheap Chinese crap.
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>>103254436
>significantly
Yes, but in this case also inconsequential.
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>>103254436
sure, but i use a zram device as swap, which is a compressed ramdisc, i.e. not stored on an ssd
>>103254306
yes, of course even if you set it to 200 (current maximum), it still won't swap unless ram is actually full with something (including i/o cache in the case of >100)
with my usage, i do regularly do something which hammers ram and swap, often due to putting a bunch of stuff in a ramdisc at the same time, such as compiling with the temporary space on a ramdisc with 24 threads. ideally i should just get more ram, but y'know.
having a high swappiness means the kernel is less concerned with using swap when it needs to, because it's very fast. ram contents often compress very well also, in my experience around 66% (so around 1/3rd it's original size), so putting compressed ram contents back into ram isn't as pointless as it would seem
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>>103254531
Why not just zswap instead of putting a swap file on a ramdisk contraption?
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>>103254531
>a compressed ramdisc
I see, so you're trading effective RAM speed for effective RAM capacity. Makes me wonder if it's worth looking into using two sets of RAM, say 32GB DDR5 high-speed low-latency, and 64GB of whatever cheap RAM you can think of. It's pretty cheap to buy single sticks of 32GB DDR4, but maybe that would be too slow, and I don't know how the machine would handle what goes to what RAM.
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>>103254579
>Makes me wonder if it's worth looking into using two sets of RAM, say 32GB DDR5 high-speed low-latency, and 64GB of whatever cheap RAM you can think of.
.... you can't mix and match like that, not even on Intel CPUs with their dual memory controllers.
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>>103254585
You technically can as long as they can both handle the same speeds and timings but the boards firmware might not like it. Some motherboards are better than others here
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>>103254591
By technically, I mean you'd have to run them both at JDEC speeds, etc, which sort of defeats the point.
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>>103254585
They can't handle it at all? That's a shame. Here I thought you could use them like different levels of cache. Not that I can think of a reason why you'd need that much RAM of varying speeds.
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>>103254607
Nope, and it has never been the case, the sticks can only run at the highest speed supported by all of them, so the faster set would just get nerfed. There is also no guarantee what memory address range goes to which stick.

The dual MCs on Intel handle one pair of RAM sockets each, and they're both dual-channel. The primary MC is always enabled, the secondary MC is off until there's 3/4 DIMMs installed. At least that's how I understand it from the Intel docs.
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Took a while to find this one.
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>>103241578 (OP)
I am running Linux Mint and Brave and want to run Jupyter Notebook for univeristy. Why am I unable to get Jupyter launching in Brave by default? I generated and changed the jupyter_notebook_config.py file to have:

 c.NotebookApp.browser = '/usr/bin/brave-browser-stable'


To no success. The only thing i've had luck with is manually going to my localhost in brave after already opening it in firefox.
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>>103251746
>So you want absolutely no interface of any kind? Just launch to background? mpg123. idk what Ranger is or does but if it's something scriptable I'd use mpg123 in the script.
No, something like pic.
>>103251884
Yeah, but mpv doesn't show CLI based progress bar AFAIK
>>103252127
Because no one bother to make pip package manager.
My advice is to use docker.
>>103254108
For what?
I've tested several DE on touch based device.
Gnome and KDE are the best.
BilssOs/AndroidX86 are second best.
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>>103255283
>Because no one bother to make pip package manager.
Pip is a package manager. The issue is it conflicts with your systems package manager. You should not both manage Python packages with your distros package manager and then go behind its back separately and manage packages with Pip.

It works alright if you're only installing pure-python packages and don't expect your systems package manager to take precedence (i.e it's okay for ~/.local/lib/python3.X to take precedence) but even then those packages that you install with Pip will break once your distro upgrades Python to a major version.

Pip essentially only works in isolation where you never update the systems version of Python to a new major version or if you do then you have an understanding that things will break and are prepared to re-install all of your pip packages.
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Can you use FOSS to start vtuber avatar?
Or all of these are propriety?
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>>103255763
The trannie that does the M1 Mac drivers uses something. Probably FOSS, don't know what. I have zero interest in them or their drivers.
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>>103255763
The actual good ones are closed source and require hefty fees.
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>>103255779
>The trannie that does the M1 Mac drivers
Who?
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>>103255800
This faggot:
https://www.youtube.com/c/AsahiLina
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>>103248770
Just use mpv. It should run as a cli/terminal application for audio by default.
Your suggested use case is exactly what I do.
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>>103252670
The only distros that have Nvidia drivers without DKMS are Arch and RHEL, neither of which I'd call mainstream, especially the latter.
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>>103244409
Not really a mac user but why dont people use macports instead of homebrew? It doesnt chown the /usr/local directory and keeps everything inside its own prefix in /opt or something
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>>103255866
Yeah, this is what I'm doing right now.
I thought something better and more cli is available.
Like pic related, that way I can move to next file, lower the sound, etc.
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>>103255831
This is tranny?
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>>103255969
I never got the "anime = tranny" psyop.
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>>103256017
It's the larping as a woman part, not the anime.
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Nvidia bros, how are we supposed to get sleep to work now?
It kinda stopped working a few weeks ago for me.
I don't use it super often so I thought updates would sort it out but sadly it hasn't been the case so I am asking.
I have the usual jazz.
NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1 and NVreg_TemporaryFilePath=/var/tmp are there.
All relevant services enabled.
KMS disabled.
What now?
Wayland KDE Arch.
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>>103244434
there's nothing wrong with doing that
he should just use a swapfile instead though
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>>103255969
That's hector martin the main dev of asahi who for some reason also pretends to be another person called asahilina
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>>103256185
The only thing that's "wrong" is that you won't be able to easily grow it by shrinking your root filesystem because the root filesystem is on the right, rather than on the left.

Swap files completely eliminate the need for that though.
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is there a way to make the terminal output for gamescope less verbose or quiet/silent?
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>>103256291
Just send it to /dev/null?
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>>103251520
bump
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>>103254108
There's no real touch friendly desktop or distro
>GNOME
It was never designed to be for tablets despite it looking like one
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>>103256299
i was hoping not to because i still wanted to see the actual wine output of whichever game is running through gamescope
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1991-09-17: The Linux kernel (an OS kernel) was first released. Created by by Linus Torvalds. Did you know this basic fact as stated in Wikipedia?:
https://ipfs.hypha.coop/ipfs/%f0%9f%9a%80%f0%9f%aa%90%e2%ad%90%f0%9f%92%bb%f0%9f%98%85%f0%9f%98%8d%f0%9f%8c%bc%e2%9c%8c%f0%9f%91%8c%f0%9f%98%89%f0%9f%91%8b%f0%9f%92%94%f0%9f%a4%98%f0%9f%a4%90%e2%9c%88%e2%9c%8a%f0%9f%92%bf%f0%9f%91%88%f0%9f%92%a3%f0%9f%91%8e%f0%9f%98%95%f0%9f%a4%ac%f0%9f%98%b0%f0%9f%98%b1%f0%9f%98%86%f0%9f%98%8e%f0%9f%96%a4%f0%9f%98%b6%f0%9f%99%8a%f0%9f%90%b6%f0%9f%92%8e%f0%9f%98%92%f0%9f%92%9c%f0%9f%98%b4%f0%9f%92%95%f0%9f%98%80%f0%9f%a6%8b/wiki/Linux

First kernel release was in 1991, but when was the first "usable" Linux distro? When GNU stuff was added to it? When was that?
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>>103253592
>>103253862
>not him, but firmwares aren't run on your cpu,
>The host architecture is irrelevant.
This is what I believed but some anons here insist that some blobs in fact are programs. The claim seems weird yes, but idk what to believe.
Maybe they are just freetards, they throw that explanation at me when I say blobs don't make your system "non free".
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>>103256748
they are programs, just not for your cpu
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>>103256748
>>103256752
like; complex hardware like graphics cards are their own independent computers (almost any card nowadays is really), a firmware is the software that runs on the cards' own computer, independent of your larger computer/os
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>>103256752
Sure. But WHAT IF you got the blob as a ROM chip on the hardware instead of as an uploadable file - would the system be more or less free in that point?
>device with ROM chip
VS
>device without ROM chip but requires a firmware file containing the ROM
I personally can't see any difference regarding freedoms but I'm just a dumb tradie. The topic gets way too philosophical.
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>>103256808
according to stallman, firmware provided on a non-writable rom chip is equivalent to hardware with regards to software freedom
i understand the mentality, if a firmware can be updated by the manufacturer, then it should also be modifiable by the user to satisfy it as being free. but on the other hand, if you never update it, then there's no difference other than technically it could be updated. some devices in your system do get firmware updates sometimes, gpus being one of them, some you may update in special cases, like your motherboard, and others you likely never update, even though you could, such as ssd's or hdd's
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>>103256808
>>103256869
there's also the practical issue if if you consider writable firmware important for software freedom, then this means the hardware you can use drops catastrophically, very few things hard firmware in an actual read-only rom, and even fewer have foss firmware code
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>>103256869
>if a firmware can be updated by the manufacturer, then it should also be modifiable by the user to satisfy it as being free
Oh. I knew there was a twist in this story.
One more: what if the manufacturer shipped everyone a new ROM chip as an update? How does this fit into the logic?
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>>103256941
if stallman considers it equivalent to hardware, then that's just an updated hardware revision, should be no issue, but you'd have to ask him
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>>103256941
>>103256971
actually... that might be more complicated than initially seeming
i mean, if they're sending a rom chip for the purpose of replacing outdated firmware, then you could rightly simply call that a software distribution medium instead of hardware. like, how then would it differ from a CD? we don't consider a CD hardware, because it's primary purpose is simply as a distribution format for the data it contains
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Are there any existing shell programs that let you run a program while also printing out extra information to a side panel? Something like the image.

Basically, I want to run a bunch of complicated shell scripts that print out thousands of lines each but have the left hand side give me a rough overview of where I am in the whole process.
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What's a good Linux distro for a portable live USB that isn't Tails?
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>>103257017
tmux, GNU screen
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I have a small bluetooth adapter that emits an awfully bright blue light, if i break the led with a needle would it still work? I'm not sure if the LED is a necessary part of the circuit or something, or if people would ever do something like that.
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>>103241578 (OP)
Hmm, would there be benefits in doing a minimal debian install and then installing all of my regularly used packages (eg: vim + my DE on debian and everything else through nix?)
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>>103257283
It still works, fuck those retarded blinking lights holy shit.
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>>103256535
>when was the first "usable" Linux distro
I found this
>MCC Interim Linux is a Linux distribution first released in February 1992
>It was the first Linux distribution created for computer users who were not Unix experts and featured a menu-driven installer that installed both the kernel and a set of end-user and programming tools.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCC_Interim_Linux
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I'm using linux mint, is setting the pointer speed to the middle and mouse acceleration to "constant" equivalent to setting the pointer speed to 6/11 and disabling mouse acceleration on windows? I just want to make sure the dpi I want is accurate on my gayming mouse.
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>>103257197
I thought about that but I have my tmux session set up in a way that I don't want random stuff attaching to it. Is there a way to run multiple tmux servers at once? I would be nice to spawn an isolated, temporary tmux server that doesn't have any affect on the main one.
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>>103244331
Why?

>>103257386
Minimal usability back then I suppose. Reminds me of the beginnings of computing and automation, where you had to load in programs on paper tape. Like you have the circuits or devices to do basic math or operations (such as adder, full adder) then on top of that you run whatever small program. How did it built from there? I guess the paper-based programs were transferred to floppy disks that were floppy and ran via that storage medium. Wonder when the first programming language and compiler/interpreter was made. Was it on paper or magnetic tape/floppy-diskette? I've never heard of MCC Interim Linux.
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>>103257567
Just make a new session.
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>>103257814
>Wonder when the first programming language and compiler/interpreter was made. Was it on paper or magnetic tape/floppy-diskette?
LISP was developed theoretically before there was hardware to actually run it. The implementation came later. I don't know if that was even the first such language.
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>>103256535
It was intended to run GNU stuff from the outset.
>first usable distro
Probably 94-95-ish for most people on this thread. Slackware and Debian were reasonably established by that time.
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>>103257814
>Wonder when the first programming language and compiler/interpreter was made
Yeah this seems to have been memory holed by the university system around 2010. Konrad Zuse' Plan Calculus in the mid-late 40s. Which is really sad because Zuse was a cool guy. They had to wait for the people who corresponded with him to retire before they could pull that foul purple-haired shit. If you studied CS in the 00s you know exactly who he was.
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>>103254436
>>103254443
One thing to note is the warranty on the storage device. I've store-bought multiple five-terabyte ones. Eventually I determined that they are low quality and die very quickly. Shitty product (I bought like 10 of them). The warranty on it? One year. Drives which have a warranty of like five years: that's at least saying something.

>>103257851
I didn't know about that late 1950s or early 1960s programming language, or as it might have been called back then, a "Turing-complete language for algorithms". This
>https://wikiless.funami.tech/wiki/Lisp_(programming_language)
says
>Lisp was first implemented by Steve Russell on an IBM 704 computer using punched cards.[16] Russell had read McCarthy's paper and realized (to McCarthy's surprise) that the Lisp eval function could be implemented in machine code.
>According to McCarthy[17]
>>Steve Russell said, look, why don't I program this eval ... and I said to him, ho, ho, you're confusing theory with practice, this eval is intended for reading, not for computing. But he went ahead and did it. That is, he compiled the eval in my paper into IBM 704 machine code, fixing bugs, and then advertised this as a Lisp interpreter, which it certainly was. So at that point Lisp had essentially the form that it has today ...
A bit difficult to conceptualize using punch cards. It's like programming but you only directly write the machine code. I guess they could make it easier back then by having known sets of cards which do known x, y, z things, like how in assembly there's push, getaddr, or whatever (I mostly forgot).
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>>103257814
*build from there

>>103258057
Seems you are saying that the first programming language was in the 1940s.

>>103258108
Was thinking about this, and if you have eval in machine code program then you can essentially run all of LISP! So if you stuck in the stack of punched cards, perhaps you could then enter user input via a QWERTY keyboard which would be the high-level LISP code you want to run.
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>>103241578 (OP)
Why is the files application decently set out but all other GNOME and 'ecosystem' shit has like 50px of padding in a list and things like that?
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does anybody store the private key to their crypto wallet on their computer? how do you do it and do you back it up anywhere?
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>>103248864
bump
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>>103253101
cool argument bro
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>>103241578 (OP)
why can't my discord auto update itself on Mint? it promps to download a .deb file every time and i have to manually install it
it's driving me mad
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>>103259327
Is using the flatpak possible? I think it might work and update better. It's also supposedly slightly more private if you care.
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>>103259327
it cant auto update because it doesnt have root privileges and the deb probably installs itself into a directory owned by root
im suprised there's no apt repo or something you can use for discord
you could try switching to the flatpak but you will have to move your configs and data or start from scratch
you could also just try to change the ownership to your current user on the directory it installs itself to , or download the tar.gz file and manually extract it to see if that works
why is it not possible to just use discord in a web browser instead of having to use the electron app?
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>>103259443
>>103259387
ok thx, can try.

>discord in a web browser instead of having to use the electron app?
i like having it as a single instance separate desktop application, and i believe some features are missing in web like global push to talk and screen sharing
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gentlemen how do i remote desktop when the monitor is off
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How to i bind the middle mouse button in game on Gayland?
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So I installed Mint on my laptop and the trackpad is extremely unresponsive when using it to scroll. It works fine for 10 seconds and then refuses to scroll for another 10 seconds and then works again, so basically 50/50 wether the scroll gesture is recognised. Otherwise the trackpad works fine and has no problem moving the mouse or clicking. Had no problems on Windows for years before I installed Mint.
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uh just saw the news https://www.phoronix.com/news/ReiserFS-Deleted-Linux-6.13
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>>103259928
frederick brennan? THAT frederick brennan?
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So I installed Fedora KDE on a Virtual Machine, and I have to say, I like the look and feel of it.
Most of the software I use is already on or accessible from its Discovery thing.
I've already backed up all the files/data from my Windows install to an external drive to copy back across later.
This might be a vague question but what am I missing or failing to consider regarding just making the jump and installing it as primary OS? Should there be something I test or try in the VM before commiting?
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>>103259928
Welp, I guess that's it then.
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>>103259928
Someone, somewhere, is very unhappy about this.
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>>103259044
An argument would imply the existence of a discussion. There was none, merely the blathering of a moron.
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>>103260298
codecs
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>>103259990
what
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>>103254008
Kent is self employed working from crowdfunding to get bcachefs mainlined.
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>>103260533
Thank you.
>Codecs

>By default, Fedora doesn't have a lot of codecs installed. You can fix this by running:

>sudo dnf install gstreamer1-plugins-{bad-\*,good-\*,base} gstreamer1-plugin-openh264 gstreamer1-libav --exclude=gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free-devel

>You'll have to install RPMFusion if you want non-free codecs, as they will not be installed this way when only using the default repositories.

So unlike say K-Lite Codec Pack I use on windows, which seems to install codecs for MPC-HC to use, I have to install the codecs themselves into fedora in this way and any media player I use will draw from them?
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>>103260581
Basically yes, or they'll go through the FFMPEG library which functions similarly. Fedora excludes H.264, H.265, and MP3 support from the main repos for legal reasons.
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>>103260581
I would read the actual website
https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/Multimedia
It is pretty messy and I wish they made it easier like with openSUSE
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What's a distro comparable to fedora but just has codecs and stuff by default?
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>>103260637
nobara
endeavourOS
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>>103260621
I see, and those are pretty commonplace. Thanks.
>>103260627
And thanks for those links.

If codecs are the main omission, should I be "good to go"?
Is it worth looking up in the virtual machine the drivers or similar for my soundcard and such?
Under Nvidia driver downloads, does Fedora fall under
>Linux 64-bit
category?
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>>103260675
>Under Nvidia driver downloads, does Fedora fall under
OK, next lesson. Do not download Linux drivers straight from the manufacturer if you can avoid it. The same RPMFusion repo that contains the patented codecs and the full version of FFMPEG also contains Nvidia driver packages. This means your OS package manager can install and manage the drivers for you, including version upgrades, which is much nicer.
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>>103260675
On Linux, you don't download Nvidia drivers straight from Nvidia's website. You download it from the appropriate repository, in Fedora's case it's rpmfusion
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA
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>>103260698
>>103260701
Understood. Can't think of any other noob questions for now. Again, my thanks for your helpful advice.
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>>103260578
What do you think happens when it gets removed from Linux? He'll get less funding which is basically equivalent to losing your job. He's quite fortunate that he's managed to gather as much support as he has.
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>>103260803
>What do you think happens when it gets removed from Linux?
He was crowdfunded for years for out of tree dev work. Unless he gets permabanned from kernel development he'll be fine.
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>>103260876
He could get banned permanently, the CoC team are faggots that have the power to do that. They can ruin you if they want.
If they say jump you need to answer 'How high?'. It doesn't matter if you don't give two shits about them, especially when they act like the dicks that they are. When HR asks you to say sorry, you tell them you are even if you couldn't be the least sincere. They're not looking to have a real and serious conversation, they just want their 'Yes, he said sorry' tickbox even if you don't mean the words you say, even if you've already solved the matter privately.
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>>103261084
That sort of cowardice is how they gain power. Tell them to fuck off, and CC Linus.
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>>103261376
Linus bent the knee a long time ago.
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>>103260298
Test your actual hardware.
>>103260581
It's an extra package repository, you add it once and then you have the packages available.
And afaik codecs are libraries on Windows too. Library = program that other programs use.
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Is there something like the linux program "Handbrake" for Windows? a

simple sorta video editor with basic functions to trim, crop, etc.
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>>103261860
There is a Windows port of Handbrake. It's just a frontend to ffmpeg.
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>>103261894
thanks! *kisses your cheek*
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>>103259327
Install it as your personal program, then you can make it overwrite itself.
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>>103261917
y-you too
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>OS is Kubuntu 24.04, no Wayland, Plasma 5
>inxi -G output:
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel UHD Graphics 620 driver: i915 v: kernel
Device-2: Syntek EasyCamera driver: uvcvideo type: USB
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver: X:
loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 resolution:
1: 1920x1080~60Hz 2: 1366x768~60Hz
API: EGL v: 1.5 drivers: iris,swrast platforms: x11,surfaceless,device
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa v: 24.0.9-0ubuntu0.2
renderer: Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 620 (KBL GT2)
API: Vulkan v: 1.3.275 drivers: N/A surfaces: xcb,xlib

>Laptop is an Ideapad 130, connected to a 2014 Samsung LED TV as a second monitor at all times
For many months now I've been constantly dealing with visual glitches, often when I open a new program, when I open the start menu, when I move or resize a window, etc. I don't remember when the problems started, but I think it used to be a rare issue on a previous version of Kubuntu.
The glitches are like if the last few frames toggled back and forth only on the areas where the new or moving windows are rendering, and it worsens while the system is loading something.
Any idea where I should look for fixes? Could it be a driver or settings incompatibility of sorts, or could it be the fact that I have a second monitor plugged in? Google has practically no results dealing with iGPU cases, it's all NVIDIA.
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>>103261953
Try the Wayland session.
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>>103261973
Kubuntu 24.04 has no Wayland session available when I log in, I only see an icon for a virtual keyboard.
Before I go and install it, and I ask because I've never messed around with Wayland before, would installing and/or using Wayland with my current user (that has been using X all along) screw stuff up like when you install two desktop environments on the same user?
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Does anyone happen to know of ANY POSSIBLE way to have a browser be recognized as a true fullscreen application so compositor unredirect works with it? I stream games through geforce now and the forced vsync compositing with cinnamon introduces input lag. I would really rather not install a whole new DE just to play without compositing. Can I do this with window rules or something?
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>>103262288
to add: using f11 "fullscreen" for browsers does not disable compositing and just seems to be borderless fullscreen. This doesnt work and I've tried it already.
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>>103261376
They got power because of >>103261530
They all voted for this! They should never have accepted the CoC in the first place.
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>>103261973
Wayland is unlikely to help much in Plasma 5. Wayland only really got usable properly with Plasma 6.

>>103262079
Use a better distro. Kubuntu is shit.
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Firefox ignores my first scroll whenever I hover the cursor outside the window (the window is focused). Some other programs do that too. It's so fucking annoying. Guess I'll have to switch to wayland
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>>103251520
bump!
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>>103251520
>Take for example xwallpaper. It doesn't have a RISC-V ebuild in the repositories.
Unless it's specifically masked for the architecture you can add keywords for it in your profile. This is actually a built-in feature of Portage to ease porting.
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>>103261953
It's Plasma, use a different DE. Happens with all GPU's
>t. KDE fanboy
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>>103261917
**your buttcheek
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>>103261860
Look for VidCutter. I use it to merge/trim my camwhore recordings
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>>103263243
Plasma 6 has better multi-gpu support but they're using Kubuntu shit. It's broken by design. I think if you upgrade to the latest version that'll have Plasma 6.
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Is it just me, or is the most difficult thing about using Linux as your main OS(as a non-programmer but semi-competent troubleshooter) is running into problems that aren't in a man page or on the arch wiki because the technology is too new, too old, or you're simply too deep into a niche topic and have crossed into super-nerd enthusiast/dev territory. When I get into these situations I always feel dread because I know I won't be able to stop until I find a solution(almost always do, even if it takes months). The big wikis and forums like level1 are beacons of light, but when your problem isn't on any of those it feels like I'm in the dark and lost.

I swear most of the things I spend days on trying to fix are usually resolved by a simple code snippet or commented settings buried within a .config that is super specific to my problem. My favorite is finding a 0 reply forum post on an obscure site where the OP is a total bro and edits his post with the solution. I've also ran into situations where the software/app im simply doesn't have a solution for my complicated setup until years later down the line when a technology develops more--which is complicated even more because I use a distro with stable point releases that is way behind.
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after running comfyui (ai tool) for a while, my ram usage keeps going up slowly, and when i close it, there's still a lot of ram seemingly used by nothing. like i can close off my session and kill all processes owned by my user, and there's still several gigs that don't appear accounted for in htop or my ramdisc, anyone know anything about this?
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>>103264372
Usually kernel version / nvidia driver mismatch.
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>>103261742
>Test your actual hardware.
Going to sound daft but in what specific sense do you mean?
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>>103258497
>backup secret key
You can copy it locally or remotely to different storage devices. Provably encrypt the copy of it. Use AES-256 encryption via 7z or openssl (two CLI programs). If you want quantum-resistant encryption, use kyber-768; however SimpleX Chat said that wasn't so good and therefore use double ratchet. I don't see any program to use quantum-proof Double Ratchet, so use this post-quantum cryptography program(s) which work with openssl:
https://github.com/pq-crystals/kyber
https://gh.phreedom.club/open-quantum-safe/oqs-provider

Like this:
postquantum(aes256(file))
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>>103258497
>secret key for usage on a computer
I can think of various private keys: for an onionsite, an SSL certificate for a website, an IPNS private key, a PGP private key, API keys, cryptocurrency wallet private keys. Some or all of these have to be stored in an unencrypted form to run or to use them. However, just because they are unencrypted in the logged-in runtime doesn't mean that other parts of the system have to be unencrypted. You can enable full disk encryption so the only way to unlock the computer is with something you know, a password, or something you have, a physical key. For those worried about getting compromised, this is some level of protection. Sometimes these private keys have to be stored in the OS storage device so you can't put it on a data storage device.

>>103264947
*Probably encrypt the copy of it.

AES-256 encryption is good enough for my lifetime. Very likely no thing capable of breaking it (if you use a good password) will be created in the next 100 years. However, I can wrap aes256-encrypted files in quantum-resistant encryption: don't entirely know how to use that linked software yet. This video was in a way a waste of time, titled "OpenSSL is fun! Getting OpenSSL's cryptography quantum safe, not so much!":
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=-gAMmcDJxmU

>>103257906
>It was intended to run GNU stuff from the start
I didn't know that.
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>>103241578 (OP)
so the code of conduct people involved with the kernel have called all the filesystem coders "assholes"
how can anything about linux be friendly with hypocrites like that effectively calling the shots? man these people are gonna take over when linux dies and then linux dies. systemd almost killed it 10 years back. once the woke bullying started people outside of their weirdo group just walked away.
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>>103264573
i'm using amd/rocm
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Fedora Gnome or OpenSuse KDE?
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Fedora's default version of Firefox doesn't have the icon/thumbnail view with generated thumbnails that Firefox does on Windows. It has a list you scroll through and the thumbnail only shows up in the preview pane on that thumbnail you've selected. But it doesn't generate the thumbnails for the icon list until you view it directly in the desktop folder (instead of the through the file picker).

But when I install the flatpak verison, not only does it have a button to switch to icon and list views, it also generated all the thumbnails automatically through the filepicker without having to view them through the desktop folder first. So the flatpak version basically works the way you'd expect on Windows.

Had this problem on Mint, so figured since Fedora is almost cutting edge, it would have the latest versions of most software available. But by default, it comes installed with an older version of Firefox (or at least an older version of the file picker). Is there any particular reason for this? Why not switch to the new version by default if it's available in the software app anyway? It seems to work fine, stable so far. I was pretty peeved that you can't switch to icon view or load thumbnails by default, and I don't know what instability issues I might cause by removing the older version. So now I would have two versions of firefox which would be kind of lame.
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>>103265138
>man these people are gonna take over when linux dies and then linux dies.
wut
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>>103266098
I would always pick KDE, although if you find yourself not liking the way OpenSUSE does things with Yast, etc, Fedora has a decent KDE edition too.
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There's many times where Q+A and information has not taken the form of SEO-friendly title+information (title could be question and information could be the answer). So if you are worried about search engine findability and have knowledge worth sharing, perhaps post about it in Medium, Stack Exchange, mirror.xyz I guess; perhaps even Reddit. Imageboard posts = like no SEO, somewhat unfortunately.
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>Imageboard posts = like no SEO, somewhat unfortunately.
Google actually does index 4chan. I've seen it show fresh posts and replies on many an occasion but you have to try really hard to find it because Google isn't going to thrust it to the front unless it's something super obscure you're searching for.
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>have knowledge worth sharing, perhaps post about it in [SEO-related site]
I have had ~many such cases, and didn't. Positive: 4chan didn't eat my post as it did with 2 attempts at making a post hours ago by me.
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The posts will 404 relatively quickly anyway though so unless it's fresh, there's little point in Google indexing it.
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Google can’t see any desuarchive and such websites.
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They probably don't allow it to or prevent scraping somehow. Google does index 4chan.org but >>103266970



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