Now I KNOW there are a LOT of bugs, i KNOW there are alot of problems and i genuinely think that this should go back in the oven.

However I played with half a lobby while the other half was dead and we got into a huge horde fight with nothing but a few shells and the indomitable human spirit and that was such a feeling i dont think ive ever felt in any other game.

It has promise, this has immense potential and i think we should give the devs a chance.

Hmmm...

Before playing or knowing anything about the game or its series, I was excited.
Before playing or spoiling myself, I looked forward to the gameplay and ideas. (Because its hard to do these type of games)

After reading everyones comments and reviews about NMRIH2 vs. the Original... I came to these thoughts;

After playing it solo, Its fun. A new experience (I have never touched NMRIH because it simply reminded me of L4D)
After adjusting the visual settings, I went from 30 FPS to around 70-80 and it made the zombies even more frightening.
After reading comments on Chivalry 2... I can see how the melee feels just like it... Not saying it bad, but its funny.
After thinking and playing 3.3 hours on it?... Its definitely not bad. Its a bit of a stretch to say "Early Access" - Its more so... Interesting that the original concept of the game was scrapped. but It has a lot of potential to be really good.
I'm going to recommend giving this game a chance to shine, I've played MANY MANY MANY "Full Release Games" from AAA studios that made me drop my jaws in disappointment but this game really made me enjoy its atmosphere and the fright of fighting a horde of zombies alone.

I'm going to give my two cents and give them time to mature and grow because who knows? - you guys are literally pulling a "Helldivers 2" tactic where you will later alter the review to positive.

But... Dont get me wrong, HD2 was a nerf into the grave. (Wonderful start, Fun Middle, Terrible End)

I would say, Maybe give it a shot if you enjoy zombie games, Its pretty good for that. but... due to its lack of content... I would say get it on sale or if they adjust the price to 15$, I think people would change their tunes a bit.

Thats all,
I know people wont read this but Its a very decent idea but the executions and deadline to push games like this can cause things like this to happen.

The gameplay loop kinda reminds me of Hunt showdown and the graphics are nice. If they are quick with adding content, fixing bugs, and polishing the game this could be a fantastic zombie game. At the end of the day this isn't No more room in hell, this a PvE zombie extraction shooter using an exciting IP to gain traction.

With that being said the performance is awful and there isn't a whole lot of content for 29.99. Hopeful the devs are cooking but man the high ping ,poor performance, no private lobbies/ offline mode is killing the fun.

Plays nothing like the mod for those checking this out who had played NMRIH1, so be warned.

Overall my experience has been pretty negative with this one.

To be honest, I'm not even sure how the hell they can advertise this as a "8 player co-op action horror experience", when nobody spawns together and most players just end up dying anyway before meeting someone else but yet you're expected to group up on an oversized map whilst as an individual player you hold less power and agency as you did when you were solo in NMRIH1? I don't know, it just confuses me a touch by what TB decided to do here.

And I'll point out this game's biggest 'positive' right now and that's the price, it's priced pretty nicely at £24.99. But the pricing does not cover up the fact this game has massive problems even if it's 'early access'. Difficulty wise, it's "harder" than NMRIH1 and not in the good way. It's "unfun" difficulty, chore-like even, it doesn't give me the feel of being challenged by the game or the maps like in NMRIH1 but more as if the devs are trying to clonk me on the head with their game design diploma repeatedly at every possible moment, think nmo_suzhou's finale but all over the map if the spawns instead were not scripted and instead constant and dynamically placed around you to keep the oppression up.

This game doesn't feel fair in the challenge department whereas in NMRIH1 most of your deaths would eventually fall down to you messing up or biting off more than you can chew, in NMRIH2 it's kind of forced especially with the fact everyone spawns separately with very little starting ability to fend off zeeks that are always on your back. It feels somewhat cheap and coupled with the character permadeath extraction shooter mechanics that were slapped in and well you've got quite frankly one of the biggest confusions ever for a sequel, considering the non-TB NMRIH2 was almost complete but got scrapped FOR THIS VERSION which I'm still trying to wrap my head around and understand why this happened in the first place.

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So my biggest gripes with this game so far;
The stamina system is awfully balanced; Four light swings with any weapon and you're out of breath, heavy attacks drain you even faster and shoving takes a lot too. I don't remember NMRIH1 being this bad, or at least, NMRIH1's melee in tandem with the stamina system was both better paced and better balanced.

Melee system and balance is complete garbage; You'd think with TB jumping on, the devs of Chivalry, that you'd get a melee system which is supposed to be an upgrade from NMRIH1, infact they decided to make it an absolute downgrade in terms of feel and balance. So far I just feel as if aiming my attacks at the head seems pointless, along with heavy attacks with most weapons, most noticeably the starting weapons, being way less effective than just shove and light attack spamming. Ontop of that I cannot tell which weapon is supposed to be more effective than the other at dispatching zeeks, at least with NMRIH1 you could get a feel for the melee weapon hierarchy and even then a lot of melee weapons in NMRIH1 were closely matched with one another, you didn't feel defenceless unless you only had a maglite. MOST melee weapons are weak and give you no real agency at all, which is a massive problem considering you start off on your own and the current spawn system is way too oppressive, have fun spending 4 to 6 light attacks to take down one zombie whilst two more spawn near you or the objective you're working on.
Not only that, I've had trouble telling just how far my melee attacks can reach as well as the reach of the zombies towards my person, as your altered FoV doesn't scale the viewmodel to your current FoV, so if you stray away from the default, have fun with an additional learning curve.

Zombie variants that make no sense; Why does a zombie, covered in blood with red eyes magically takes more damage than all the other zombies that aren't as bloody? NMRIH1 didn't have this, infact in NMRIH1 the only zeeks that could potentially take more damage generally were the military zombies with helmets on outside of difficulty modifiers, so why does this game do things so half-baked? Instead TB should probably make it so if a zombie has a stab-vest or military outfit on, MAKE those ones more tanky instead, not "lol blood here more chonk", it's bad especially when you have a mob of zeeks altogether. And quite frankly it was a rude surprise when I found out I had to waste four or so stamina bars in melee back to back just to expend this one zeek that had the +1 blood cloak of divine protection equipped, that gave it godlike protection from blunt force trauma to the head.

Infinitely spawning zombies and runners inside objective areas; What the ♥♥♥♥ is this, nmo_suzhou on crack? If my character is unable to effectively clear zeeks of any kind because melee is generally weaker and slower than it was in NMRIH1 and ammo is hard to come by but also really easy to end up going through with the current spawn system. What chance do I have solo after every other player has died at the start of the game to finish the match? Seemingly none, that's what. At least with most NMRIH1 maps barring a few exceptions, you could slowly but surely carve your way through the crowd as well as dodge through, but this isn't as easily done in NMRIH2 as zeeks seem to just spawn in constantly, either around you or nearby you, or ontop of objectives, making it more cumbersome than it should be to progress the match. And before people go "but NMRIH1 had infinitely spawning zombies all over the map", yes, but like I pointed out, you could at least make some room and push forward to the objective, especially in a team, as there's a grace window for zombie respawns in a zombie spawn area for most NMRIH1 maps, which is not the case for NMRIH2!

Simplified inventory and firearm calibres; The new inventory is both a blessing and a curse and is probably one of the better things they've done for NMRIH2, the big issue is that now the weight and capacity of an item is completely ignored, so you can probably carry a lot more high value items than you should be able to. At least with NMRIH1's system, you had to balance ammo with utility and even consider just how much room your melee weapon would take up along with your guns, which is no longer the case with NMRIH2. As for firearms, ammo has been completely simplified into types rather than calibres, this is better for accessibility and newcomers but also means you have way more incentive to hog and horde ammo now as it's light/heavy/shotgun/magnum/pistol rounds instead. If they had kept it as calibres such as .45acp or 5.56mm etcetera, you would see more teamplay on the resource side of things as it was in the first game, with players organising their ammo between eachother. NMRIH2 misses this by a mark and whilst you can be a packmule for other players in NMRIH2, by holding onto extra rounds. But with inventory system being slot based, you are discouraged from that.

It's been released in EA whilst undercooked; TB have decided to release this now, without the major selling point of a zombie game, that being the infection mechanic and whilst I understand they need feedback and so on to develop the game better, they already kind of spat in everyone's drink by scraping the previous pre-TB NMRIH2 and instead releasing an extraction shooter which nobody to my knowledge expected NMRIH1's sequel to turn out as. And of course, bugs, bugs, bugs, but bugs and glitches are to be expected with early access titles so no point talking about 'em.

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I'll be honest, I was hoping for this game to pop off and prove me wrong. I really did but with how it's came out right now, I would recommend everyone to stay away from this one until after a few major patches come out, maybe then I'll change my tune but in it's current iteration it is such a chore to play.

Wow. Early Access is an understatement.

Teleporting zombies, disappearing zombies, unbindable keys which were previously bound, broken voice chat, floating heads, gibs attached to zombies floating, buttons become unusable after vaulting sometimes. Massive lag spikes, server errors, unskippable cutscenes when launching, and menu bugs already.

This developer is no longer to be trusted.

Bugs with hit reg, bugs with teleporting zombies, bugs with zombies hitting you from 15 ft away, bugs with vaulting over stuff, bugs that make it so you cannot interact after vaulting sometimes, floating guns, floating heads and invisible bodies, invisible walls, buggy voice chat, floating and ascending zombie bodies, the list goes on. Oh and zombies can disappear into thin air.

Edit: Finished a run, survived, it was fun for what it's worth. But I don't feel that $30 is justified for this slop.

Refunded

- The devs abandoned the roots of NMRIH.

- There's no modding support.

- Just one map.

- Awful performance.

- Forces you to play MP(?)

- Hitboxes are abhorrently bad.

- Combat is not fluid, zombies latch onto you randomly and hit through walls.

- Inventory system changed for the worse compared to NMRIH. Overcomplicated.

- Issues listed by youtuber testers persisted past release.

- Uses EASY ANTICHEAT for a COOP game. It's known for breaking tools such as TS-notifier.

- The game is NOT worth 29 euro and WILL NOT be anytime soon. Do not buy it in it's current state, with the current price. 10 euro is the /most/ I would ever give it in it's current state.

Hello. I have 2,000 Hour of Playtime On the first NMRIH. As a huge fan of the game, I will give my 2 cents.

Unfortunately in its current state it is nearly unplayable. Zombies take insane levels of punishment and the feedback from player to zombie is incredibly weak to the point that I wonder what I'm doing to them damage wise.
I will list complaints.

Connection is abysmal

Poor frames (not too bad)

Zombies are way too loud and made frankly ridiculous noises sometimes

Zombie attacks almost never actually connect with my player

I am failing to kill zombies point blank...With a 12 Gage shotgun.

Guns are Miss named (licensing or not, bruh moment.

The down but not out system is, in all honestly, absolutely awful and should NOT be in the game. having 20 zombies stand over me and slightly stomp me to death while I stand up is RIGHT OUT.

The loot system... why? Light ammo? Heavy Ammo? Magnum ammo? why cant you just bring back round types verbatim like 7.62x39?

Inventory system blows. The Original had a very intuitive system where the size of an item affected its impact on your inventory. Now a battery is valued like a full sized shotgun.

Sprinters look.. not good. Really not good. They look like my niece chasing me down the hall.

50% of the Original Games Features are absent.

Zombie Children

Infection

Suicide

Survival Mode

Difficulty Options

Skin and character Voice Options

Etc

Good stuff

This game takes place in my hometown. I live South of Reading, and It realistically portrays it well. (Needs about 200000 more train tracks though (joking))

Alot of Beautiful Set pieces, whoever set that up should be proud of themselves. The Factory looks downright menacing.

The Weapon animations and textures are very good.

TBh to save time ill just say, ALL of the texture work is an A+ in work.

Objectives are interesting, Detailed, and Require genuine effort

Hordes look proper horrifying, seeing my first big one made me ♥♥♥♥ myself.

Voice actors did an excellent job (Molotov is iconic)

Sprinting and stamina is balanced very well (This was a huge issue in the first game)

Alot of effort was done for first person visuals

The gameplay of started isolation is a great choice compared to the first game (though i fear for custom maps, if that will even be possible anymore)

Overall, id wait. It-ll get better. Those 2000 hours where for a reason.

In conclusion, don't buy this game. It seems like it's going to fail in its attempt to appeal to a wider audience.

I don't understand what they were thinking by bringing out an alpha version and asking us to buy it. Even if I try to understand, I can't see why they would remove all the strengths of the previous game—such as the inventory system, user mods, and detailed features—and still call this a sequel. The optimization is awful, to the point where it disrupts gameplay.

You'd be better off playing No More Room in Hell 1, which is free and supports user mods. This game is not a sequel; it's a completely different game.

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