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Who's Afraid of Recognizing a Palestinian State?
Even if a Palestinian state is a 'failed state' in the making, it is still something Israel will have to consider. You cannot shape and influence the debate and process by negating it altogether, as Benjamin Netanyahu tries to do
If there was a museum or hall of fame of foreign policy ineptness, its newest wing would be the Benjamin Netanyahu Pavilion.
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Ben Gumport
03:00 26.05.2024
Forced Relocation to Syria, Egypt and/or Jordan and Iran. They don't want a State. They want All of the Land. This is the real point of contention. When given a State, they will use it to further their "Reclamation Ambitions".
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Why
11:13 27.05.2024Ben Gumport
The Israelis want all the land, they want to shove the people who are not Jewish, or Zionist into Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Iran. they will not pay reparations ,and take the land by force.
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Peter Cohen
20:40 25.05.2024
I agree with Netanyahu.A Palestinian Sate next to a zionist one is a phenomenal error. It is the error of the Partition in 1947 and should be scrapped. Instead A Palestinian State will have to be created as a territory fully liberated from zionism, on the land that was called Palestine pre Partition.
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Lou Arpino
16:08 25.05.2024
"The Palestinian people deserve their own "Balfour Declaration", a statement from the Major Powers declaring,
"Our Governments view with favour the establishment in Palestine a national home for the Palestinian people, and will use our best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Palestinians in any other country.".
A document, so simple, provided the momentum which created the State of Israel "in Palestine", why can't the exact same words form the basis for the creation of the State of Palestine?
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Peter Cohen
20:51 25.05.2024Lou Arpino
@ Lou Arpino. quote: why can't the exact same words form the basis for the creation of the State of Palestine?end of quote. Because the creation of the zionist State was illegal and not conform the UN Charter. Palestine needs to be liberated from the illegal pro zionist Partition, and be the Palestine pre Partition.The end of zionism is the political goal that needs to be realised to finnish the serial monstrosity that followed the pro zionist Partition in 1947.
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Political power
00:02 25.05.2024
If we take UN resolution 242 seriously, Palestine does exist, and we know exactly what the borders are. Israel has had nearly sixty years to negotiate with the Palestinians concerning adjustment of those borders and has failed to do so. So, backed by the UN it is now time enforce resolution 242. All Israeli forces must withdraw from territories occupied since 1967, and the illegal settlements abandoned. The West is insisting Russia withdraw from Ukraine, let's hold the line and be consistent. Threaten Israel with similar isolation from the West as Russia, unless they comply. Set out a timeframe for compliance to 242. Back the ICC, ICJ, and 242 as law, while recognising Palestine accordingly.
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The Melancholy Donkey
04:55 25.05.2024Political power
You don't have to take a 1967 UN resolution seriously to understand that Palestine does exist. You just have to take the Palestinian Mandate seriously. In its first sentence, it invokes Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations. That makes it clear that Palestine as an independent country was recognized in 1922. The British were assigned to administer it temporarily, while protecting the rights and interests of the local population which, at the time, was about 90% Arab.
The British manifestly failed to do so, allowing large scale immigration by a group committed to creating a state that definitionally excluded that 90% from full citizenship. But the British failure does not mean that Palestine was not, legally, a country.
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The Melancholy Donkey
23:43 24.05.2024
There are three, and only three, possible choices:
1) The establishment of a Palestinian state.
2) A single state in which Palestinians and Jews have equal citizenship.
3) The continued commission by Israel of massive violations of fundamental human rights in perpetuity.
That's it. Those are your three options. Choose one. If you go with #3, be prepared for Israel to truly become a pariah state, as isolated as apartheid South Africa became.
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Liz .. the original
12:04 24.05.2024
Someone feel better for having my post deleted. Lol. It was really rather mundane. Would Bibi/ISrael derive any benefit from making such a vacuous declaration or would it just be seen as more weasel words from the master of untruths?
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Tzezl
06:21 24.05.2024
From The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/23/whistleblowers-allege-widespread-abuses-at-israeli-detention-camp-sde-teima
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Isn't this what most Israelis ..
07:51 24.05.2024Tzezl
...want to see?
They wanted impunity (plus US taxpayer money) to do as they wish with Palestinian lives and livelihood, property and resources, and they have been granted their wish.
And so this is just one small example of what they have become.
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Straight Talk
05:59 24.05.2024
(1) Both Pal-Arab political movements -- Pan-Arabist Fatah and Pan-Islamist Hamas -- are irrevocably committed to the destruction of IL on Racist/Imperialist grounds. They both view Jewish nation-state as "Infidel" abomination on "Islamic Land" (Dar-al-Islam); (2) Fatah is sworn to destroy IL as per PLO's "1974 Plan of Stages" as well as global BDS. (Fatah Charter: "The Arab Palestinian people ... reject all substitutes to the total liberation of Palestine"); (3) Hamas can't even wait that long and wants to destroy IL by immediate total warfare (Hamas Covenant: "IL will exist ... until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others"); (4) Anyone supporting an independent Pal-Arab state inevitably ruled by above ideologies, is either totally clueless as to Middle East realities or guilty of supporting genocidal destruction of world's only Jewish nation-state. Can it get more Antisemitic than that???
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Well I think ...
06:21 24.05.2024Straight Talk
..you have the backing of the majority of Israelis. They will not be open to a Palestinian state. They want Palestinians gone, and if they cannot be ethnically cleansed then its genocide, as we are seeing in Gaza. Am I not right Straight Talk?
Just wondering what are you are going to do with the evergrowing stock-piles of ever-more sophisticated rockets and drones being amassed in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Yeman and pointing at Israel
I guess its a matter of "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it". Afterall, you are such clever lot aren't you.
staright talk parrots staright messianic proganda
06:26 24.05.2024Straight Talk
This dog won't hunt anymore. The fascistic propaganda that you were fed as a child does not work anymore. Start facing reality and argue with facts if you truly love Israel.
TerryT
06:46 24.05.2024Straight Talk
Can it get any more anti-semitic. How about a prospective US President promoting a Unified Reich?
E.
09:58 24.05.2024Straight Talk
Peace could be a long term strategic goal. Israel is overwhelmingly stronger than the Palestinians (and their allies in the Arab world), economically, technologically and via its alliance with the world biggest superpower, the US. If we wanted, we could work towards creating a reality where peace is possible. Unfortunately, those among us who are against peace for ideological reasons will do everything in their power to kill any such prospect and convince the rest of the country that peace is a dangerous and naive illusion. There are similar people on the other side. Hamas and the settler movement are each other best assets. Hamas did everything they could to bring Bibi to power in the 90s. They certainly celebrated his victory as it undermined the peace process they opposed. They are partners. Their biggest fear is compromise and peace. And somehow everyone falls for their rethoric blaming it all on the other side's extremism and intransigence. How convenient for them.
TerryT
14:53 24.05.2024Straight Talk
WTF are you talking about?
They certainly celebrated his victory as it undermined the peace process they opposed.
One of Netanyahu's first acts as first term Prime Minister was an attempted assasination of Hamas leader Khalid Mishal in 1997. It became an international incident with Netanyahu having to provide the antidote for the poison they had used on Mishal and in addition Netanyahu was forced to release Sheik Yassin from jail. I don't know why people like you are so ignorant of Israel's inglorious history and substitute it with make believe.
The Melancholy Donkey
23:45 24.05.2024Straight Talk
And members of the current Israeli government have made it clear that they will only accept the destruction of the Palestinian nation. So, the two side are equal.
Not at all
23:52 04.06.2024Straight Talk
What so many Israelis seem to forget is that Hamas, Fatah etc may have had some blustery anti-Israeli rhetoric in the past, but actually recognized their occupier quite some time ago. Israel on the other hand has not only spewed forth racist and genocidal rhetoric against the Palestinians, including denying their very existence, but has acted on that genocidal intent - like a macabre dance, quick, slow, quick quick slow, for more than 76 years. Ben Gurion and others made it very clear that they intended to expel the Palestinians - there has never, ever, been peaceful intent from the zionists. And you expect there to be no resistance? You want to make it a state only for jews and yet complain when the dispossessed take issue with your racism? You contort yourselves trying to blame Islam or other middle eastern countries for centuries of European persecution? Your claim of antisemitism is well-founded.... in Europe! Everything else since is your own doing - karma.
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I think ...
05:01 24.05.2024
the majority of Israelis want the issue "resolved" through ethnic cleansing, and if that is not possible, genocide. Isn't that what the polls suggest?
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TerryT
05:38 24.05.2024I think ...
They call it "voluntary migration" at gunpoint.
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John Cronin
04:30 24.05.2024
' Analysis: Who's Afraid of Recognizing a Palestinian State? '
The problem here has always been that nothing ever gets done that can give any real credence to a workable and permanent solution in such devastatingly deadly and extremely polarised circumstances.
But it may be that the situation has now become so dangerous, both for the region and the much wider world, that concepts totally at variance with those of conventional thinking must now be entertained, their implementation able to supply the very maximum of leverage possible and thus bring about an inevitable ending so longstanding and intractable a conflict.
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