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How many fucking Umineko threads are y'all gonna make? lol
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>>47613577 (OP)
cute rena defending cute rika against the bullies
thank you fren
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>>47613621
Rena is a very good girl at heart.
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I wanna fuck Rika senseless
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>>47614390
I just wanna take her home is all
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Ciconia lives on in the heart.
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Peace.
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>>47615445
Found
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>>47615616
is that real?
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Oyashiro-sama really exists! exists!
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Turkeyhandle crossover when
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Mei anon, are you still around? There was an update.
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The sound of kino.
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>>47619605
Sometimes I wonder if Ciconia would work better as just an anime.
There's a lot of easy repetition cutting and you can make certain scenes really pop, if you're lucky.
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New Mei stuff:
Rena:
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>>47620220
I had a really good time with the VN and I think it works well.
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>>47620520
Also a new Mion card, it would appear. No story yet.
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>>47620530
Weird,it looks like a new Infection Outbreak card, but Rena's took the spot date-wise.
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>>47620527
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>>47620579
Ok, looking in the official twitter it apparently counts as a Fragments of Memories card, and the banner will go up tomorrow already.
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Cute and Canon!
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>>47620520
rena sexo
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>>47620720
True end
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For some reason this makes the demon cry
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>>47620220
Maybe, it can be quite cinematic
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>>47618701
RAPE ANGE IN A ROOFTOP
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It's so tiresome.
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>>47620772
Friendship destroys demons after all.
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>>47619605
For me it's
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>>47620506
>>47620527

Wait, this script is for the Mion story actually, not Rena's.
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Redpill me on the Battler Anavar theory.
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>>47622132
Meme
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>>47621176
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>>47622194
>rika can only do anything in fanfiction not written by Ryu
Fuck this gay Earth
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>>47621176
Some people might not understand it, think it's corny, but I love the power of friendship. Optimism tastes so good after all the sadness.
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>>47620520
Sex
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>>47622318
optimism is good sometimes, you know? i don't think i'd like higurashi nearly as much if it ended bittersweet like umineko
which is probably why i hate sotsu so much, ruining that happy ending just to make (potential) rapist uncle 'good' and in the process hopelessly miring satoko in witch shit and epik krazy killer klown antics (which are totally fine because it only happened in hundreds of fragments don't worry lmao) is unforgivable
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>>47620761
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>>47620640
Youre only bringing trouble, shitokonigger rikahater anti christ fucker

Get permanently banned .
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>>47622794
I think a lot of it, at least for me, was the turn about from the deepest bad ends to a surprise good end. It's so abrupt I remember feeling like it was a genre shift, even though you can see the seeds of the good end from the beginning.

How many of you guys thought it would be horror and bad ends all the way to the end? I did, managed to avoid spoilers when i read it.

>>47622803
Just gotta report off topic stuff & ignore
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>>47622861
i kinda expected something relatively happier just from the existence of the answer arcs, but the rollercoaster from the end of tsumi and that fucking TIP to the end of mina truly was something amazing
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In the reverse, Higurashi also tricked me going into Umi into "believing in my friends (family)".
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>>47622961
Well, in Higurashi the family that really mattered were their friends/found family, not their original family.

It's part of why I dislike Sotsu's redemption of Teppei and him being the only one to make Satoko hesitate. it really felt like it was shitting on that and placing family above everything else.
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>>47623008
Sotsu? What's that?
It's the year 2015 right? Kira was the last Higurashi content that's dropped.
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>>47622961
but anon that's correct, all of the culprits are non-family members
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Man smt is so good
That english girl is so good as well
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>>47613602
until you liek them baka
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Where is my tournament arc Ryu
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>>47623008
>it really felt like it was shitting on that and placing family above everything else
It was more that he was her abuser rather than the family vs. found family idea
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>>47623485
>It was more that he was her abuser rather than the family vs. found family idea
Nah, they explicitly bring up her family relation to him to justify him changing while the entire club remains static.
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>>47623645
I meant I'm pissed off that he's the one that made Satoko hesitate, not about the mechanics behind the looping memory shit(which K1 also had to be fair).
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>>47623698
>(which K1 also had to be fair).
Keiichi had no new leaks though, only the OG Higurashi ones but in worlds resembling the earlier arcs. Teppei had new leaks that he never had before, which is why Satoko perceived everyone aside from Teppei as static. Which leads to the actual problem (only Teppei making Satoko hesitate, shitting on all her other bonds).
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>which is why Satoko perceived everyone aside from Teppei as static
Now that COULD have worked better if it was framed as
>Teppei changed, which ruins Satoko's cope about the world being akin to a dream and her friends being NPCs
But it didn't feel like that was the intention, it felt like she genuinely had doubts because of her nice, innocent, child-abusing uncle.
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>>47623460
I think we're past the point of no return on that anon...
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>>47623780
that's the exact route i thought it was going down while it was airing but nope, went for the most ridiculous angle possible instead
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She's looking at her Keiichi
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>>47624195
Keiichibros, we are soooooo lucky
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>>47623787
And then somehow you all still think that give credit to Hackysi07 to be a "good writter" is still a good think...
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big brudder
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>>47624224
Ryukishi07 is a good writter...
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>>47624224
I liked his earnest passion for things he advocated back in the day, which came through in the writing.
It was dare I say, soulful.
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Samefagging shipper failed normalnigger still seethe after 5 years
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Would you consider Ciconia /m/?
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>>47627842
It's just a single arm and the science is basically magical... but there is a thread for Symphogear.

Although I guess on top of that there's how the gauntlets mostly look like medieval armor, not even robot parts. If they at least looked actually robotic/futuristic it'd probably have an easier time fitting in.
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>>47623218
but they are part of the family
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>>47624235
>>47624346
You both are gonna to had a bad time then.
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What's your favourite Higanbana story?
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>>47628065
I feel like the running one was objectively the best.
But my personal favorite was the Anti-Bully Reich vs the Democratic Federation of Bullying (part 2)
Ryukishi really brought some imaginative hilarity to such a hard to solve topic.
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>>47627905
Weaponry of a mahoushoujo mecha
Story and themes of a real mecha
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it's prprprprp time
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>mei is still going on
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>>47630950
It's very cheap and self sustaining. It may just be around another five years?
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>>47630254
Smells like cheese
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>>47631061
Maybe we will get Ciconia then
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Was it worth reading?
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>>47632724
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Rare occurrence of Rikafag and Satokofag peacefully communicating
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>>47628065
the gay bunny gangrape of the emo kid
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No comment
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>>47632756
What did Ryu mean by this
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>>47632778
>ror ze baka gaijin wiru be rike ewwwww
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>>47632778

Hikaru is characterised as being quiet, smart, and arrogant, the same temperament as the average rabbit. He is also quite feminine appearing and has a submissive outside demeanor (despite being quite aggressive on the inside), even confusing some of the localization team early on. This is also similar to bunnies.

He tortured the animals because he couldn't self-harm himself, as he was distraught that his bullies didn't physically harm him - therefore, he couldn't prove he was being bullied at all to anyone. He also rarely ever speaks and keeps everything to himself. So, the rabbits represent Hikaru himself. That much is clear and undeniable.

Hikaru has considerable repressed rage, taking it out on the rabbits. Hameln is said to be arrogant, have eyes exactly like a rabbit, and also has a homoerotic moment with Hikaru. The four bullies are also, if I recall, all boys. As the bullies got turned into bunnies, and Hikaru is a bunny himself as well...

I think you know where I'm going with this. Hikaru...was a gay rabbit.
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>>47634418
eroka...
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Rika a legend cute
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>>47632747
no? shitoko a shit
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>>47634467
Tongue kiss this hundred year old girl
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>>47634493
anon, that's immoral!!
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>>47634474
Shionbros... Will we ever know peace?
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>>47613577 (OP)
Satoko TANKED the 4chan purge thanks to the Alpha inForce
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I will never give you what you've done with Rika's pictures
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>>47636771
If Jessica is Marisa where the fuck is muh Reimu
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Anyone know what they call Gunhild in the Japanese text instead of Granny Gunhild?
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>>47640352
I don't remember the story enough to even know what you're talking about...
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>>47640428
It's been so long... eventually nobody will remember Ciconia ever existed... Ryukishi will finally release his magnum opus after years of work, but who will be there to read it...
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>>47640604
Once Ryu learns to write only for himself and his own sake, then may he finish his true masterpiece.
Kinda cool if you put it like that.
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>>47640428
I now remember how stupid the belts were in this VN.
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>>47620761
>bruises
did they wrestle ?
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So why did Hanyuu follow people around even though it made them go crazy even faster?
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>>47642184
Her IQ is in the high 70s you see
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>>47642184
she's dumb(and evil)
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>>47642515
hello
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>>47642515
is hanyuu okay
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Daijoubu
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>>47642592
>that time Rika solved the mystery on the second loop and you had to slaughter everyone and erase her memory
Anything for more creme puffs.
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>>47642802
meeper got too uppity
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>>47640352
langen^Jayden:^
langjp「まぁ、……俺たちのケツは、ギュンヒルドばーさんにしか任せる気はねぇしな」\
langen^"Well, ...I know I wouldn't trust our butts to anyone but old granny Gunhild."^\

whatever this says
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Shut the fuck up and stay silenced, Rika should've got out of the looping hell early on
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>>47642965
So, why didnt you help her?
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>>47642897
>ギュンヒルドばーさん
Looks like Gunhild baa-san ie literally just granny Gunhild
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>>47643011
I helped her. With my point of view. In that scene.
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>>47614897
With this acting, no wonder that this series only got a few arcs.
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>>47644848
So much for having a hammer and nails when you have a kitchen knife btw
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>>47642897
Thanks for the info
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>>47645141
I wonder what Ange would look like as a milf...
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>>47645562
Not even Ryukishi would attempt this. It’s beyond any cat box. In all realities Ange dies fat and alone and somewhat cancerous. Ryukishi even makes a point of saying that she doesn’t even end up with Amakusa.
Being Ange is suffering. Huge suffering. She will never look good.
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>>47645562
I want to smell her rear
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>>47645562
behold
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>>47645141
AAAAAAAA I HATE ARTISTS POSTING TINY RESOLUTION VERSIONS OF THEIR COMMISSIONS
FUUUUUUUUUUUU
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>>47647006
Chill, I'll post the PSD in the morning
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>Modding this comfy dead thread
Fuck off Featherine, go write a better story
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>>47647189
oh okay i guess it's fine then
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>>47637222
Kanon
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>>47645604
>Ryukishi makes a point of saying she doesn't end up with a career murderer who kills her
Oh no...
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>>47650054
Angefag delusions.
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>>47650077
no they arent
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>>47650505
>I AM A not in red
[red]YOU ARE INCOMPETENT[/red]
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>>47650505
Saved
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>>47650505
Thanks for your contribution to the thread, discord. You may go back now.
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How do I access the Old Archive?
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>>47650430
>Rika actually caring about you
>realizing that she doesn't, and you're just a goldfish
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>>47650505
Holy kek
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>>47650505
so is beatranny a retarded tumblr headcanon or is it a legit theory to shit on beato for
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>>47653255
It's missing the point of Umineko and proving you are a 1 bit goat.
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>>47653308
wait which take is missing the point
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>>47653255
beatrice is outright female, no ifs ands or buts about it
sayo is meant to be ambiguous, that's a pretty important point that people on either sides of the debate will pretend isn't the case so they can feel superior, but beato is a magical construct made to be female from day one based on a woman, ZERO dick or balls involved
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>>47653412
If a man imagined up Beatrice as a fictional character or persona, does that make Beatrice partially male?

Does that work for all fictional characters?
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>>47653425
you REALLY don't want to go down that rabbit hole
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>>47653434
BUT...BUT I THINK I DO....
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>>47653425
yes and also the other way around
every time a male creates a female character, he himself temporarily partially becomes female
the spirit of creation is ambiguously gendered, which is why sayo is depicted as they are
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>>47653255
It's head canon that does not work in any way and which is very easily disproven. See also https://sorel.substack.com/p/suicide-of-the-golden-troon
>>47653412
Sayo is biologically female too. There is no ambiguity.
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>>47654139
Please just read the linked document. It refutes the "man on the phone" theory and other common nonsense arguments. Sayo was born a woman and you can not actually argue against that.
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Sayo is biologically female guys. I'm not gay!
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>>47654185
It's a bad document full of wishful thinking, "probably maybe"s, disregarding scenes you don't like or don't want to think about, etc. Your japanese friend isn't a reliable source btw
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>>47654381
It's not my document. It does not disregard scenes and actually explains your confusions in a logical manner. Thankfully you can't actually argue against any of the refutations, and I have yet to find someone who can. Could you maybe ask one of your friends on Twitter or Discord to try?
>Your japanese friend isn't a reliable source btw
We're on /jp/. Just read the original line and you'll see that the translation adds in a part that confuses wishful thinkers like you. It's also ironic that you call me a wishful thinker when your entire theory hangs on Natsuhi not being sure of the gender of someone on the other side of the phone in an unreliable game written by Lambda. Even more so when the VN explicitly doesn't call the baby "the /man/ from 19 years ago" afterwards. There are ZERO arguments in favor of the mtf theory. At no point does the VN actually suggest this. There is a reason why only the Western fandom interpreted Umineko as a trans work.
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Your gender debate is tired and you're getting baited by the same autist for the hundredth time.
I don't want to hear retards using seacats being high and mighty when they pollute the main thread with this.
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Yasu is a man, end of the story.
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>uh I heckin' hate trannyneko xD
>I will also shit on all theories about Yasu being a female even if they make infinitely more sense and are actually based on reality because they are "loveless", or were written by a bad conscience chud xD
>I will defend tranny nonsense with my fellow sisters' arguments
neck yourselves
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>>47654500
>if you don't call this MtF a real woman you are not a real transphobe!
Reverse psychology has gone too far
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Can someone post that interview from a few threads ago about Japanese fans starting to hate Umineko after they found out Shannon is a man?
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>>47654536
It's always gotta be satokotroons shitting up the thread...
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>>47654139
Lion is obviously a man tho.
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>>47654550
Not according to Ryukishi and the Japanese, discordbro.
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>>47654536
Anon, I know you've been BTFO'd all 10 times you posted this picture, why are you so masochistic?
>11-Jun-23
Fake trooncord screenshot date
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>i-i-it's FAKE
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>>47654536
>>47654538
>>47654558
Time to admit it samebro.
Say it with me and it'll free your mind.

Yasu is male.
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>>47654558
Clearly male.
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Yeah.
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>>47654567
>>47654550
>>47654525
>>47654510
Time to admit it samebro.
Either you're a faggot and jerk off to men.
Or you are a retard who wasted hundreds of hours on shitposting.
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Ryukishi confirmed the manga is true.
The manga proves Yasu was male.
Yasu is Lion
Lion is male.
That’s all you need to unlock that cat box.
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>>47654590
That guy is talking about Beatrice, not Yasu, clearly.
Yasu is a man.
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>>47654590
>multiple posters
>time to admit this either/or
>hates discord but quotes it constantly
You seem really stupid.
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>>47654589
Y-yasu is male...
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>>47654602
>That guy
Don't talk about yourself in the third person, it makes you look schizophrenic.
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>>47654606
>please, Anonymous-sama, stop posting shitcord screenshots and revealing what a retarded tranny I am
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>>47654612
Good advice, so good that I was already following it.
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>>47654606
You are replying to discord, son
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>>47654620
I'll go ahead and ask what everyone is thinking.

Why does a proven fake screenshot and a supposed unrelated screenshot prove anyone but you is a tranny? No one in these screenshots you posts seems to be claiming they are trans at all.
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Okay okay. Nice fight.
Now debate Miyao.
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>>47654550
>>47654601
She's male because... she wears pants! And in all other timelines her dick was hastily cut off by a random local physician, given all kinds of HRT, forcefully dilated without knowing, and never figured out that her flesh wound -- wouldn't grow with the body -- wasn't actually a vagina. And Genji? He had to move the boy away because Kinzo would have raped him otherwise. This is a much more logical explanation for her lamenting the fact that she's not a valid woman who doesn't get periods than her being a product of incest whose uterus was lost in an accident.

Or in other words, this is totally something that I, a 28 year old male with gender dysphoria that I developed three years ago, could relate to.
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>>47654644
Based SatoKei bro.
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>>47654642
A mole?
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>>47654651
Rape is based now? How is Kinzo even a SatoKeibro?
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>>47628408
3 days, I fucking kneel
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>>47654677
Uohh...
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>>47654677
>...ME?!
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>>47654677
Is it this the thread? We are gonna post THAT?
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>>47654677
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>>47654677
There aren't enough ch*ldren in WTC for a ch*ld thread
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>>47654681
Getting off to little rats now, anon?
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>>47654677
I really like where this thread is going...
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>>47654677
>child
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Why is /jp/ full of pedophiles now?
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>>47654719
>now
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>>47654719
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>>47654683
Maria is the best 子, Rika and Satoko are not even close
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The shitposting... stopped.
Is this the power of cunny?
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>>47654723
She's a prostitute isn't she?
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>>47654784
We are all waiting for the 子 porn.
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>>47654704
>>47654710
>>47654696
>samefagging
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>>47654794
>>47654784
>cord nigger samefagging trying to adopt anti shitoko posts into their own shit
Just like you did with ""subverting"" rat calls? Kill youraelf
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Poor rika thread and that mapache nigger zoomer on adhd medication.
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>>47654931
>>47654938
What?
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>>47654677
MOOOOOOOOOOODS
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>>47645141
PSD

https://files.catbox.moe/jmg5an.zip
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>>47653315
The tranny theory. The fact you can't tell proves your lack of intellect.
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>>47654590
>White
Le french homo 'cord cabal face
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>>47654488
> It does not disregard scenes and actually explains your confusions in a logical manner.
No, it doesn't. I've refuted it before and it's disciples didn't have anything to say.
>wishful thinkers like you.
Who? Me? What do I believe?
>It's also ironic that you call me a wishful thinker when your entire theory hangs on Natsuhi
Who are you quoting?
>There is a reason why only the Western fandom interpreted Umineko as a trans work.
You're moving the goalposts. The argument is that "Sayo has gender ambiguity", which is explicitly stated by the text itself >>47654139, acknowledging it as even an issue "outside the game board" - proven by how many fans fight over it even today. People even call Beato a tranny as an insult, giving some kind of weight to the idea that she is unusual in some way. Sayo doesn't have to be an "MTF" for there to be "Gender ambiguity". Don't ignore the text because you don't want to be gay when you jerk off - it's hardly very loving.
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>>47656022
seems both trannies and tranny haters believe the tranny theory
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>threads are either imagespam or tranny debates
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>>47656242
1 bit goat award
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>>47656302
no argument huh

>"I’ve already consulted with both native and non-native speakers who were able to confirm me the “genitals” part is quite a stretch from what you could interpret from the original text."
So, which readers? Why would non-native speakers be an authority here? Is it "disproven" or "quite a stretch"? This literally doesn't say anything at all.
>This doesn’t really say anything, after all, Sayo is not equal to the rest of the family, she is product of incest, so comparisons with the rest of the Ushiromiya stock and even to her own mother and grandmother is not valid. Kinzo is both her father and grandfather, it’s not a surprise her genetics would be all messed up.
Not a real argument, just "Well it uh...doesn't matter ahaha. IDK how genetics works! It's all MAGIC FLAT CHESTS LOL!!! WACKY DNA!". You stopped thinking like a goat.
>This is the truth I can offer: Natsuhi thought that, if Kinzo was to select an heir in place of the baby she could not bear in her womb, it would have been a male, as she was aware of Kinzo’s beliefs.
This is a "truth you offer", and it's all fairly believable. But it's not a fact. You cannot post this and say it's "IRREFUTABLE PROOF THAT SAYO IS 100% NOIN AMBIGUOUSLY GENDERED". It's just a theory, which again proves the argument that "Sayo is ambiguously gendered", since it is -up for debate-. Are you beginning to understand my argument now?
>People are reading too much into Ryukishi’s “”in-character”” shitposts
"Just ignore anything that doesn't match with what I already want to believe". Magical thinking would be more applaudable if you weren't posting caricatures of suicide victims in mockery at the start of your blogpost. You clearly believe in this theory, whether you wrote it or not, out of hatred of people.
>If Lion is frequently asked what her gender is due to her androgynous nature to the point she won’t answer the question, it’s natural she would just get used to these kinds of terms and not pay them attention.
Why does Lion get repeatedly asked about her ANDROGYNITY if Lion is not supposed to be regarded as AMBIGUOUSLY GENDERED? Which was the initial argument, by the way.

That's just skimming through some of it. It's very badly written, lazy, and cheap. I think you -want- to believe it's making some poifecto argument in your head, so you spam the blog wherever you can, without actually thinking about it too deeply. In fact, most of the arguments are literally, "JUST DONT THINK ABOUT IT OK!". Please try harder next time. Sayo is ambiguously gendered, since that's explicitly a point of contention and confusion throughout the story. It's intended and deliberate and explicitly stated to be so, with no clear evidence one way or the other, leaving it as a golden catbox. You ignoring and denying that makes you loveless, especially since you only care about this at all out of a seething hatred of "mutilated freak groomer tumblr cord dilate 41% troons"
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>>47656420
Sayo is male. Also it’s Yasu.
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>>47656912
based
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>>47655195
>>47655039
Sad cord, still rat
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>>47658055
Happy cord, smiling rat
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>>47654677
That's all it takes?
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>>47654677
ToT
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>>47660756
Do we blame the childcord for this?
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>>47658055
I love her hips
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>>47656271
it all went downhill ever since det stopped posting here
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I love 子rens
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>Higurashi Reiwa Irotoutoshi-hen chapter 15.2
LOL
LMAO
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>>47654677
oto... ko... no ko?...
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>/seacat/ trannies start posting
>thread immediately goes to shit
Ban all umitroons now
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>>47662736
fucking kek
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>>47662736
It's mostly just him and his sharty friend shitting up the thread when it comes to Umineko and tranny shit
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>>47662463
Speaking of children, does anyone here have the image with Kinzo as Pedobear?
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>>47654677
>>47662829
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Is Keiichi Maebara an undiagnosed sperg?
>Socially blunt; unable to see Mion's displays of romantic interest and many times hurts his friend's feelings without being aware of it.
>Will believe what his friends tell him, no matter what.
>Acts corny as fuck, like a stereotypical anime protag.
>In cram school, the teachers told his parents that he wasn't dumb, but rather incredibly literal (he could unfold complex shapes if he was told it was an X sided die instead of an abstract geometrical shape)
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>>47662754
By "Him" do you mean Sperg or White?
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>>47662736
Anon, Det hasn't posted here in months, if not even years. It's time to move on.
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>>47662908
He's just somewhat socially inept due to not having real friendships growing up.
Academic achievements gave him fulfillment but we saw what happened when that well started to run dry.
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>>47662979
What about the cram school clue doe?
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>>47662736
>>47645587
>>47645642
This retard better stay in his containment thread and keep his tranny cuck shit out of here
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Wtf? Is ryko det?
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>>47656242
There is ""gender ambiguity"" to hide the culprit. There is no gender ambiguity - or rather, gender dysphoria which you so desperately want it to be - within Sayo's mind. She never transitioned.
>>47656420
You ignore everything of substance to make some dumb fallacy ridden "refutal". Your theory hangs on a line that is very clearly improperly translated. You do not have to believe "Japanese people". Just read the original line yourself. Also read >>47654644 and stop coping. By the end of the game it's clear that Sayo was born a woman. You are not Sayo.
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>>47663037
Sperg is ryko, it has been established quite a while ago.
>>47662919
Sperg, I hope I made myself clear.
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fuck you sperg fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you FUCK YOU
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>>47663107
What about his French butt budy White aka Tanguy thoe?
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>>47663107
The IP dox deconfirmed this beyond any doubt.
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Hot take: Krauss is FtM. Yes, it does not make much sense, but the novel never explicitly stated that he was born with a penis, so to fuel my delusions I can proudly stand behind this theory. Kinzo's seed produced three other known daughters, so it had a tendency to do so. And we all know that he needed a son to succeed him. Most likely Nanjo operated on him as a baby and he had been taking HRT ever since, not noticing the non-functional flesh "sausage" between his legs.

This makes perfect sense. Why else do you think he had trouble conceiving, you bigot? His story is peak irony. Born a woman, he always talks down on them. Bravo.
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Kinzo met the original Beatrice, who was a lustful cross-dresser who was chased away by the fascists/nazis. They had a passionate relationship but Beato died of AIDS. Kinzo adopted a young boy from the Fukuin House and made him cross-dress just like the original Beato...this was the Kuwadorian Beato. By the power of magic, Beato II gave birth to Yasu.

Natsuhi was a poor boy forced to cross-dress as a woman and marry into the infamously gay Ushiromiya family. Jessica is actually Natsuhi's younger brother but he was raised as the daughter of Krauss and Natsuhi.

Eva was actually born as female but she had operations and changed herself into a man because of the inferiority complex she had when she was young. Now he still dresses like a woman to keep up appearances but he can rest easy knowing he has a penis just like Krauss and Kinzo. George was adopted.

Kyrie was explained already.

Rosa being the youngest of the four siblings, had to endure constant buttfucking from the others, he was the fuckboy of the family. He fucked a whore and Maria appeared - whose real name is Mario and is a boy of course.

Rudolf - to hide the fact that he is gay just like his family - played the role of a playboy but he couldn't suppress the lustful feelings he inherited from his Grandfather.

Kumasawa is man too, he was usually gangbanged by Kinzo, Genji and Nanjo on lonely nights.

Battler and Ange were both adopted and Ange - real name Angelo - developed an unhealthy obsession with his brother's dick.
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>>47663199
>>47663171
>>47662736
What did Det do to make this anon so mentally broken?
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>>47663236
Transitioned (anon is his dad).
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>>47663199
Uohh, I need sauce
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>>47663219
>>47663227
>>47663236
>>47663249
>>47663251
>>>/seacat/
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>>47613602
this is higurashi doe
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>>47663725
he deserved better
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>>47663850
See
>>47663267
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>>47663267
What even is /seacat/?
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>>47663725
He deserved the world without SotsuGou
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>>47663205
don't talk to yourself like this
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>>47664000
Cute Rika get
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>>47663064
>gender dysphoria
I never said anything about gender dysphoria. The argument isn't "Sayo is Trans". There is a difference between having gender ambiguity and being trans.
>You ignore everything of substance
That's funny considering the substacks only arguments are "just like uh ignore that stuff ok?".
>very clearly improperly translated
That's never proven in the substack.
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>>47664118
There is no real ambiguity regarding her gender nor sex by the middle of episode 7. She is biologically and mentally female and there are no lines that suggest otherwise. If you had love for the characters, then you would see what happened to both Sayo and Lion. The only reason people think that Lion is male identifying as female is because they also assume that Sayo is transgender due to one incorrectly translated line. Which is dumb, since even that reasoning doesn't make sense, because a mtf Sayo would only experience dysphoria due to the operation which Lion didn't receive - it's not something she was born with.

Sayo was clearly born female. Ergo, Lion was also born female. Because Lion is female and presenting as androgynous the only logical interpretation is that she's doing so because she's the heir.
>I never said anything about gender dysphoria. The argument isn't "Sayo is Trans".
Two sides of the same coin. You want her gender to be ambiguous, so that you can self-insert and justify the trans theory.
>That's never proven in the substack.
It is, since the original line is given to you. You understand basic Japanese, right? Even with just a dictionary you should be able to figure out that the "genital" part was slapped on and emphasized by the English translation.
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>>47664246
>The only reason people think that Lion is male identifying as female
bruh no one fucking believes that you retard
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>>47653255
Since it literally only exists in tumblr circles and pretty much nowhere else, I guess the answer is obvious.
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>>47664263
Sorry for being ignorant and bigoted. Do you folks believe that they was assigned male at birth and that they is just identifying as a non-binary gender?
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300 replies that cant be good
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>Nee-san, they can't read.
>Are we supposed to care?
>Not really, but I wanted you to know.
>I already did.
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>>47664305
>Jessica: why are you talking to yourself?
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>>47664299
nothing is ever good
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>>47662754
you still posting this shitty picturing accepting us no to believe you're not sperg?
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>>47664246
>and there are no lines that suggest otherwise.
Except Wills and Lions.
>one incorrectly translated line.
The substack doesn't prove this.
>because a mtf Sayo would only experience dysphoria due to the operation which Lion didn't receive - it's not something she was born with.
These are just more interpretations you can't prove. Maybe she was "born with ambiguity" even without the operation. This is another catbox.
>Sayo was clearly born female.
Saying "clearly/obviously/etc" before a statement doesn't count as making an opinion or interpretation a "red truth".
>and presenting as androgynous the only logical interpretation is that she's doing so because she's the heir.
The "only logical interpretation"? Why doesn't Lion say so, then? Where's the red truth?
>It is, since the original line is given to you. You understand basic Japanese, right? Even with just a dictionary you should be able to figure out that the "genital" part was slapped on and emphasized by the English translation.
The substack should do the effort to prove this other than saying "I asked my friends and they sorta agree with me".

This would be fine if you faggots didn't spam your blog in every thread for years and also say it's merely your interpretation and not "TROONS BTFO ROPE YOURSELVES LMAO" - but it turns out you can't even defend it properly the moment someone actually bothers reading this shit. "Well uhhh...it's uhh obviously right...troon!!! Just uh google it!" doesn't count as an argument, sorry. Why doesn't the blog post include the information needed to state "It is 100% IRREFUTABLE FACT That sayo has ZERO gender ambiguity in or outside the text"?

Lion doesn't start being normal even after 7 by the way. It also ignores Sayo as a metaphysical concept and allegory as Ryukishi was imagining them, and their purpose in the story beyond some fake video game character.
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>>47664477
>but it turns out you can't even defend it properly the moment someone actually bothers reading this shit
There's no need to "defend" it if all you're saying is "PROOFS?!" when the blog itself follows a clear logic. The point is that you actually *can* disagree with it, but then you have to bring up an actual counter-argument and not just "NUH-UH!". You're attempting to seem reasonable and neutral on the issue but it's become very obvious that you're a projecting tranny.
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>>47664367
>Milady, you shouldn't be in the servant room.
>Milady? Mmmph*! ...
>Mi...lady?
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>>47664477
>if the story doesn't clearly establish it as a red truth then it's all up to interpretation
This is not what the story intended btw. They make it a clear point that there's a difference between a reasonable assumption based on logic and saying "it was transgender aliens from Uranus!" when it comes to the actual mystery. Do not mix the metaphysical meaning of the work with what is actually being presented.
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>>47664477
>Except Wills and Lions.
They state that the culrpit's gender was thought to be male in an unreliable game written by Lambdadelta.
>Maybe she was "born with ambiguity" even without the operation. This is another catbox.
By your logic the Krauss FtM theory (>>47663219) is just as valid. "If it's not stated in red, then I can just project my own wishes onto the character". You are insane and illiterate and completely missed the point of "without love it can not be seen". The only love you have is for yourself. You are a narcissist.
>turns out you can't even defend it properly the moment someone actually bothers reading this shit.
There is no arguing with someone that refuses to accept that an objectively mistranslated line is mistranslated. You can't be convinced of this. You can grab a dictionary yourself if you want to verify it, but you refuse to.
>Lion doesn't start being normal even after 7 by the way.
You mean that a female that's been presenting as androgynous since birth doesn't just immediately start wearing skirts once she's outside of her family's sights? Good point.

I want you to also say that you truly believe in the MtF theory. Does this sound about right to you? >>47654644 Do you truly believe that this interpretation is the sane one and that Ryukishi wanted you to believe this?
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>>47664549
>There's no need to "defend" it
Lol.
>when the blog itself follows a clear logic.
The clear logic of "Well uh just ignore that stuff ryukishi said ok"? That one? When's the last time you even read this blog post you spam all the time?
>but then you have to bring up an actual counter-argument and not just "NUH-UH!".
Wrong. All I have to do is show how "Sayo" is presented in the game as having an ambiguous gender/sex. One example: Lion.
>but it's become very obvious that you're a projecting tranny.
Reminder for the fifth time ow I think, I have never said that Sayo is a tranny. Learn how to read.
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>>47664571
>This is not what the story intended btw. They make it a clear point that there's a difference between a reasonable assumption based on logic and saying "it was transgender aliens from Uranus!" when it comes to the actual mystery.
And who defines what is a "reasonable assumption"? The blogpost and it's defenders isn't saying it's an assumption, by the way, but IRREFUTABLE FACT.

>>47664576
>in an unreliable game written by Lambdadelta.
Who says it's an unreliable game? You?
>You are insane and illiterate and completely missed the point of "without love it can not be seen". The only love you have is for yourself. You are a narcissist.
Pathetic desperate crying lmao
>an objectively mistranslated line is mistranslated.
Prove it's mistranslated. The substack doesn't put the work in for this, it literally even says he asks "non-native speakers". It doesn't even quote what those speakers said about it, nor does it ever claim it was objectively mistranslated.
>You mean that a female that's been presenting as androgynous since birth doesn't just immediately start wearing skirts once she's outside of her family's sights? Good point.
That's one interpretation. The fact that you can't state it for sure means that Lion still has gender ambiguity. Are you beginning to understand now what my actual argument is?
>I want you to also say that you truly believe in the MtF theory.
As I've stated explicitly half a dozen times now, I have never said that SAYO IS TRANSSEXUAL. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
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>>47664577
You can't even read a single sentence to completion to understand the context of "no need to defend it", you illiterate freak.
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>anything that isn't stated in red is completely ambiguous and you can't make any conclusions whatsoever
Imagine reading Umineko and this is what you take away from it. No wonder they believe Sayo is a man.
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>>47664602
The substack is supposed to be irrefutable argument, and yet it has no evidence or proof of anything. Despite this, it and it's supporters have spammed it for years all over the internet as the "ONE TRUTH", despite not even understanding the arguments it makes. When confronted, all you can do is scream "TRANNY FREAK" "I AM CLEARLY OBJECTIVELY IRREFUTABLY RIGHT TROON" etc. It's very sad. At least Rosatrice etc theorists have some class and understand theorycrafting to a degree and what the point of Umineko is.
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>>47664477
>>47664577
>>47664601
>being an actual pedantic "PROOFS?!" faggot, to the point where you ignore literally any argument unless it's a direct quote from Ryukishi himself
Please stop ruining a good discussion.
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>>47664629
You're starting to sound like Italianon.
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>for years
>all over the internet
erm, where?
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>>47664617
The claim that "Sayo/Lion/etc has zero gender ambiguity, period, as an irrefutable objective fact" is a claim that requires red.
"Ah, so you're saying sayos an MTF TRANSSEXUAL!? TROON" is also a strawman. "Sayo" as both multiple characters and concepts can have gender ambiguity without being "MTF TRANSSEXUAL". You literally can't wrap your heads around what an argument is without screeching this retard shit.
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>>47664644
Shhh, he's having a melty.
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>>47664634
>unless it's a direct quote from Ryukishi himself
Why does the substack bring in "evidence" like the translation being "wrong", if evidence isn't a good metric for a rebuttal?
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>I can use evidence to force everyone to agree with me
>but you can't use evidence or ask for evidence to disagree with me
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>>47664601
>Prove it's mistranslated.
What proof do you need other than the literal dictionary definition of "下腹部" to accept that it does not translate to "abdomen and genital region"?
>That's one interpretation. The fact that you can't state it for sure means that Lion still has gender ambiguity. Are you beginning to understand now what my actual argument is?
I understand your argument just fine. I understand that you're mentally ill and lack reading comprehension. Why did you ignore my question about the Krauss FtM theory? By your logic it is valid since it's a catbox and never explicitly stated.

Reading comprehension is a thing. If something is not literally written down you can not just fill things in however you want. Everything suggests that Sayo is female. Nothing suggests that she is male.
>As I've stated explicitly half a dozen times now, I have never said that SAYO IS TRANSSEXUAL
If you say that Sayo can be born male, then you inherently support the Sayo is transgender theory and argue that it's possible.
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>>47664664
>What proof do you need other than the literal dictionary definition of "下腹部" to accept that it does not translate to "abdomen and genital region"?
Why doesn't the substack say this?
>Why did you ignore my question about the Krauss FtM theory? By your logic it is valid since it's a catbox and never explicitly stated.
Sayo having gender ambiguity is presented several times, such as the existence of Lion, and Kanon.
>Everything suggests that Sayo is female. Nothing suggests that she is male.
I never said Sayo is male.
>If you say that Sayo can be born male, then you inherently support the Sayo is transgender theory and argue that it's possible.
I never said these things. I said Sayo has gender ambiguity. I've repeated this many, many, many, many times now. All you faggots do is strawman me as a tumblr troon over and over again because you're braindead.
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>>47664652
>you need to have concrete evidence!
>no not this one, this one doesn't count because you said not everything needs to be a quote by Ryukishi!
We're done here.
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>>47664673
>Why doesn't the substack say this?
Do you have actual autism?
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Isn't a cliffcocked yasu closer to a ftm anyway? She grows up, hit puberty, gets confused, overcompensates by imagining herself with giant tits, the starts thinking maybe that isn't it and starts creating male identities.
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>>47664674
>First, the fall, of course. They claim Sayo’s male genitals were damaged because of the fall, and he was raised as a girl instead. It would be easy to simply say this is never said in the novel, but I know what they’re talking about. They’re talking about something said in the manga instead. Indeed, the manga has many problems, including the certain circumstances in which this chapter “Confessions of the Golden Witch” is found. But these problems, the inferiority of the manga at conveying the true story, and its modifications compared to the novel are different topics to discuss.

>For argument’s sake I will take this chapter at face value. Supposedly, Genji says Sayo suffered a “large laceration on the lower abdomen and genital region”. However, a further analysis of the original Japanese text (あんたは下腹部に大きな裂傷を負っていながらも、奇跡的に生きていたんだ。) has made clear that the “and genital region” part is manufactured in the English version. I’ve already consulted with both native and non-native speakers who were able to confirm me the “genitals” part is quite a stretch from what you could interpret from the original text. The lower abdomen area is that of the hypogastrium, which contains the uterus, and a damage in such area could have led to an ovarian failure, which in that area of the body is much more likely than an injury to male genitalia. This serves already a fatal blow to the man theory, since they overfocus on genital mangling which is one of their main snuck premises.

Nowhere in this segment is there "concrete evidence" of the line being wrong. It's full of emotional appeals and opinions presented as "facts", and some opinions not even presented as anything but. It even says it's "quite a stretch" (cause some anonymous people said so), not even "OBJECTIVELY MISTRANSLATED" like you faggots are all insisting it does.

The substack is a badly argued theory. Just accept it. You can still believe it if you want - I don't care what you believe. But this blogpost is very, very lazy. When's the last time you actually read through it yourself? I'm trying to help you here. There's plenty opportunity to argue a "Biologically Female Sayo" theory without this shitty blogpost!
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>>47664696
Yes, that's a fair take and one I imagined to a degree to be something that likely happened. The blogpost however doesn't understand how genetics or breasts work because it's retarded.
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>>47664702
What does the original japanese text say?
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>>47664702
>There's plenty opportunity to argue a "Biologically Female Sayo" theory without this shitty blogpost!
Give an argument in this regard that isn't mentioned in that link.
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>>47664702
Just to make it simpler for you tards
>I’ve already consulted with both native and non-native speakers who were able to confirm me the “genitals” part is quite a stretch from what you could interpret from the original text.
"quite a stretch" isn't "objectively wrong"
>which in that area of the body is much more likely than an injury to male genitalia.
"much more likely" isn't "objectively happened"
>This serves already a fatal blow
It's very embarrassing to say that "quite a stretch" and "more likely" counts as "fatal blows". This is like Ep1-2 Battler levels of exaggeration.

I'm trying to help you guys stop embarrassing yourselves by relying on this shitty blog so much. Put some real work into building a real argument and theory for this that doesn't rely on bullshit weaslewords and screaming DILATE TROON FREAK KYS at people the second anyone looks at you wrong.
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Dilate.
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>>47664673
>Why doesn't the substack say this?
It does. Anyways, do you now accept that the line was mistranslated?
>Sayo having gender ambiguity is presented several times, such as the existence of Lion, and Kanon
Lion's gender can only be interpreted as female due to Sayo having been born as a male. You even agree with this, since you disown the "Sayo is trans" theory. Kanon is a cope she makes up after realizing that her destroyed body does not actually work like a real woman's body. These are the only sane interpretations. Everything else is "Krauss = ftm" wishful thinking and projection.
>I never said these things. I said Sayo has gender ambiguity
Like what the fuck are you even trying to argue? Are you trying to say that in-universe both Sayo and Lion express signs of being uncertain about their gender, but that from an omnipotent reader PoV it's clear that they were both born as female?
>>47664696
She's not cliff cocked. She most likely lost her womb. That combined with the fact that she's an incest baby is a perfect explanation for her being flat chested and not getting periods. It also makes sense for her to imagine herself as a "real" woman with big breasts.
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>>47664727
>Do my work for me!!!!
I thought the substack was supposed to be OBJECTIVELY IRREFUTABLE, buddy? Dumb fuck. Something like this >>47664696 is far more reasonable. Again, the substack doesn't even understand how breasts grow or how bodies work, and it seems you don't either.
I'm already doing more than enough to help you stop making fools of yourselves.
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Are the OBJECTIVE FACTS in the room with us right now?
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Wow yasutroons are NOT happy
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>>47664741
You're contradicting yourself: >>47664702
>There's plenty opportunity to argue a "Biologically Female Sayo" theory without this shitty blogpost!
I asked you to do it. Give one example. Now you argue that it's unfair to ask for this.
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>>47664741
>other anon makes a pure assumption without any proof
>all of a sudden this is fine
Yeah you clearly got an agenda here, buddy.
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>>47664743
kek
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>>47664739
>It does. Anyways, do you now accept that the line was mistranslated?
It doesn't. Read your own shit if you're going to spam it in every thread >>47664702
>Lion's gender can only be interpreted as female due to Sayo having been born as a male.
funny slip of the tongue lmao
>You even agree with this, since you disown the "Sayo is trans" theory.
I claim that Sayo has Gender Ambiguity. It seems you still can't help but constantly strawman anyone who even slightly disagrees with you, pidegeonholing them into some pre-made "bad argument" you make it easier to scream DILATE at me.
>but that from an omnipotent reader PoV it's clear that they were both born as female?
Clear from who? You keep using "clear" as some attempt to be "objective", try to stop doing this. Your perception isn't factual.
>She most likely lost her womb.
most likely? I thought it was FACT?
>That combined with the fact that she's an incest baby is a perfect explanation for her being flat chested and not getting periods.
What does being a product of incest have to do with not having periods and not growing breasts? Why wouldn't the ovarian damage not be enough for issues with hormone levels?
I'm pretty sure you're the actual substack author, so present some evidence that being a product of incest inhibits breast growth, which would require some real scientific evidence. (My theory of "Sayo has gender ambiguity" doesn't need this, by the way, since it's just from the text itself).

Tell me, let's say Sayo has "some vague BIRTH DEFECTS" due to being a product of incest. Let's also suggest that birth defects might also lend itself to... intersex defects, gender or sex biology abnormalities, and so forth. Would you agree then, if this is a possibility, that this would lend itself to a character that would therefore exhibit "Gender Ambiguity"?
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He's gonna tire himself out eventually, but don't forget to keep posting the link so he can keep seething about it.
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>>47664743
The blogshitters were the ones initially presenting themselves as "objectively correct with irrefutable evidence", and now that's somehow a way to mock detractors?
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>>47664750
I did give you one example. Maybe write your own blogpost, retard. You're the ones who are all insisting "This is the -ONLY CORRECT INTERPRETATION-, PERIOD, AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS A WOKE TUMBLR TROON".
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Reminder that Ryukishi07 refused to answer when a troon asked him if Sayo was a tranny, which is clear irrefutable proof that he doesn't want to lose his cashcow to tumblrfaggots cancelling him. That's the only reason he refused to answer, and it's obvious and undeniable.
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>>47664800
Is this a panel recorded somewhere?
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>>47664782
You're example is completely baseless and conveniently arguing for the tranny theory, which you supposedly totally don't advocate for.
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>>47664834
*your
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>>47664767
I ask again: what proof do you need other than the literal dictionary definition of "下腹部" to accept that it does not translate to "abdomen and genital region"?
>What does being a product of incest have to do with not having periods and not growing breasts?
An incest baby that gets into an accident in which it almost dies and almost completely loses their lower half is most likely going to have hormonal issues. Especially when they lose organs.
>Let's also suggest that birth defects might also lend itself to... intersex defects
Holy shit man. You should have just said that you were an intersex/futa enthusiast from the start. No, that theory is fucking dumb too. A teenage girl worrying about periods and breasts would be aware of their non-existent and malformed genitals and the fact that they weren't a regular girl; an intersex Sayo with a destroyed cock wouldn't be wondering why they had no periods or breasts.

Am I allowed to argue that Krauss was intersex?
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>>47664800
>shit I just made up in my head
post proof
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>>47664851
>to accept that it does not translate to "abdomen and genital region"?
The blogpost doesn't say this. >>47664732 How simple do I have to make it for you?
>An incest baby that gets into an accident in which it almost dies and almost completely loses their lower half is most likely going to have hormonal issues. Especially when they lose organs.
You didn't answer the question - what does incest have to do with hormonal issues? How, scientifically, does incest cause hormone issues? Answer the question. It's very simple. Reminder Lion is an incest baby too.
>Holy shit man. You should have just said that you were an intersex/futa enthusiast from the start. No, that theory is fucking dumb too. A teenage girl worrying about periods and breasts would be aware of their non-existent and malformed genitals and the fact that they weren't a regular girl; an intersex Sayo with a destroyed cock wouldn't be wondering why they had no periods or breasts.
Most intersex people, including those who had surgeries as infants, don't realize there was anything wrong with them until they grow up.
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>>47664884
>The blogpost doesn't say this.
This is actual, medical autism.
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>>47664852
>>47664829

https://youtu.be/2INV9zGrN6U?t=948 [Embed]

Ryukishi says the "Transgender" loan word himself at 16:22.

"It's a hard question to answer, some things have to stay secrets, but he's been asked that before and is very intrigued by the fact that there is that rumor in the fandom"
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>>47664907
You're the retards who keep spamming your blog. If you realize it sucks so much and leaves out tons of details, then make your own improved one.
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>>47664928
>leaves out tons of details
>"this japanese text here has been mistranslated"
>"it does not mean what the trannies claim it means"
>you can confirm this for yourself with a google translate
>NO IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS SAY IT IN RED SAY IT IN REEED
Autism.
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>>47664928
Why are you so extremely asshurt about this link in particular? Why are you not offering any actual counter-arguments?
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>>47664986
>has been mistranslated"
Where does it say that
>google translate
Lmao

>>47664990
Explain how incest can cause lack of breast growth.
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>>47664739
>She's not cliff cocked. She most likely lost her womb.
>source: i made it the fuck up
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>>47664739
>Lion's gender can only be interpreted as female due to Sayo having been born as a male.
lion's gender can be interpreted as male due to yasu being raised female, not liking it and wondering how it'd be like the other way round. what the fuck are you fucking talking about
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>>47664851
>Am I allowed to argue that Krauss was intersex?
Actually yes. Misfunctioning of male systems eg fertility issues can be due to conditions classified as intersex without any presence of female development.
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>>47665091
>>47665076
>>47665072
>still no real arguments
>just autistic begging for "SOURCE!???"
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>>47665099
ah so you're just retarded or pretending to be retarded. Good to know
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>>47664918
Yeah it's just as you say.
Though you're a bit harsh for him just refusing to answer. I wouldn't necessarily want to let my feelings slip in a professional setting. Ryu is a guy that must really want to be liked.
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I'm beginning to believe in the Krauss tranny theory...
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>>47613577 (OP)
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>>47671696
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>>47671696
What about it?
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>>47662736
Based German.
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>>47613577 (OP)
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>>47674291
is this the new psyop



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