???

>>83940120 (OP)
Rica, AChan, and aqua
Amazing

>>83940120 (OP)
oh no

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>>83940120 (OP)
Welcome to Vshojo JP

Well, at least vshojoJP might actually have members now

>>83945451
Can’t wait to see them become vshitshow slop.

>>83940120 (OP)
This will break holochuds

>>83940120 (OP)
Funny part is it seems possible. Who knows if it'll happen, but VShojo is certainly going to try and if they were able to pull Rushia then they may actually be able to pull Aqua.

>>83947362
>Funny part is it seems possible
lol no

I'm still mad about Nazuna.

>>83947495
Where else is she going

>>83947522
Home. Playing a game without chat around sounds like paradise.

you guys don't think she'd rather be indie?

>>83947655
She enjoys streaming anon. She's not going to stay away from it forever.

>>83940120 (OP)
Why are vshojofags begging so hard all the time?

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>>83948046
They had 4 graduations because of women being women so they need anyone they can get.

>>83948525
>Get rid of the mentally ill members who were dragging down the company. (3 in pic related and Rushia)
>Their rep improves to where they're now the 2nd biggest EN company.
Hmmm...

>>83948706
>EN company
If you need to limit something to EN to get up in the ranks you're coping.

>>83940120 (OP)
Won't happen until next year because of non-compete clause.

>>83947522
Indie 90% or VSPO 10%

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>>83948830
Correct, they're only 4th globally

>>83947495
Why do you guys even care anyway. She has graduated so she is practicely dead for every single hololive fan.

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>>83948706
>Their rep improves to where they're now the 2nd biggest EN company.
lol you fucking wish, even more people know about senpai gomemne than fucking vshojo, No one knows who the fuck they are until some article gets released about Ironlung being at some charity event.

>>83949219
It's not even a bad placement but they somehow can't accept not being 2nd.

>>83949093
>VSPO anything above 0%
Be serious anon

>>83947695
>enjoys streaming
Really?

>>83949415
idk who's coping the most when I look at posters like >>83949367
so I'll allow them to say 2nd biggest EN company, fwiw

>>83949568
Yes? You obviously don't like watching hers considering your confusion

>>83949568
We're talking about Aqua here anon, not Gura.

>>83948706
They were always the second biggest EN company. The only time they stopped being that is for the period of time post-Luxiem when Niji was btfo'ing absolutely everyone. Once that died down and Iluna or whatever the wave after them was called debuted, they were back at #2.

>>83949367
>0.7%(not even a single percent) with more members vs. 3.7% >>83949219
Meanwhile nobody outside of here and containment breakers fucking uses senpai gomemne and it's only ever used to actively shit on Phase Cucknet

>>83948706
>Get rid of the mentally ill members who were dragging down the company
They were the founding members

>>83949367
no one knows wtf is phase outside this cursed board anon. KEK

>>83947522
That depends on the legitimacy of the marriage rrat that has been hard peddled on /here/. Of which we'll know the answer in 2 days.

>>83950207
vei wasn't. Silver and nyan, sure... But nyan left because she is retard and silver left because gods know what she wants from us.

>>83950518
I wouldn't trust any rrat that's based in making a company look good.

>>83950638
The entire Rushia rrat turned out to be true.

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>>83945451
>Rushia censored out
I’d shit on holofags for being like this but she absolutely deserves oblivion, kek

>>83950207
Vshojo didn't give them anything so they fucked off when mythic offered them something.

>>83950442
offkai had more representation of phase than vshojo stop coping my dude.

>>83950735
Important part being based in making a company look good. If people are rrating that Aqua's leaving because of personal relationship reasons they can then ignore her not liking whatever direction the company's going in and having internal disagreements that caused her to leave. The Rushia situation was nothing like that.

>>83950871
ok? what about AX?

>>83950871
NTA but they literally sponsored it. It would be as saying “wow this venue sponsored by Coke mainly offers me Coke drinks”

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niggers

>>83950954
AnimeNYC?

>>83951051
>>83950954
AX was sponsored by vshitshow and they couldn't even fill their own panel rooms lol

>>83950842
>Vshojo didn't give them anything
anon bait used to be believable. They even tried to make a silvervale nendo but the nendo people basically replied with "WHO?"

>>83951481
man i want a hit of what you are smoking, sounds the good shit

>>83951235
AX no one gives a shit about animenyc

>>83951565
Sounds like cope.

>>83950871
you want know why? Because vshojo learned with the past year. Ironmouse concert was pushed back for hours. It was agreed to be around 8pm (?) and it only started around 2am? So yeah, last year they put a lot of money and effort in the cafe this year no one really cared.

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>>83950518
The only thing keeping me from believing the marriage rrat is the graduation notice saying that she graduated because of "creative differences", if I remember correctly of course.
Why not simple state that she's leaving because of personal reasons or family issues? I feel like that just opened everyone to more speculation.
But whatever, Aqua already graduated and the only thing I hope is that she gets to be happy in what she does next. If that's being an indie, VSPO, Vshojo or marriage, whatever, the only thing I care is that she ends up happy.

>>83951848
they put a ton of money intro keeping hololive out during connect the world at AX. but that weekend was unironically the most boring AX has ever been because vshojo is just a boring bad corp full of has beens.

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>>83951957
i agree with all this except vshojo. i want to see it burn for no other reason than i think it would be funny and also fuck ironlung

>>83952190
Hi BVTM

>>83952100
anon are you drugged? They could not even get permission to film their panel. Once again, wtf are you smoking?

>>83951087
I wonder how much that bat would sell for.

>>83952190
BVTM flavored post

>>83949219
Phase Connect doko?

>>83952190
oh look, a bvtm subhuman in the wilds

>>83952394
0,7%. She second biggest corpo

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>>83945451
And the walls kept tumbling down in the city that we love~
Grey clouds roll over the hills bringing darkness from above~
-

But if you close your eyes~
Does it almost feel like nothing changed at all?~
And if you close your eyes~
Does it almost feel like you've been here before?~
How am I gonna be an optimist about this?
How am I gonna be an optimist about this?

>>83940120 (OP)
>talent finally escapes one psychopathic exploitative corpo shithole where she was probably raped
>immediately climb aboard with another
I'm not sure why anyone thinks this happens.

>>83950207
Mathew 7:26 never build your foundations on sand anon

>>83952190
BVTM fags get the rope

>>83940120 (OP)
I think Vshojo is going to lose a lot of good will towards the company if it turns out they planned this "audition" just to hire Aqua.

>>83953293
The auditions debut are for next year. They can directly hire like they usually do they are not bound by traditional methods.

>>83953293
i have no idea how people in this board can be this stupid.

the only reason why vshojo have goodwill in first place, is because they adopt abandoned puppies from other companies, nobody spect they watch the auditions in first place, people are more interesed in if they can save more nijiEN members

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>>83940120 (OP)
I only speak English so I don't really care if it happens or not. I'm more excited about who might get in on the English side. Personally I'm rooting for Grimmi.

>>83949219
The people who make these charts are really retarded despite ostensibly being professionals at it, by the way
They used to count Vspo twice because they didn't know Vspo and Virtual Esports Project were the same thing

>>83954189
I don't have many strong feelings on Grimmi but after that MSM shit I just want her in so her story has a happy ending because jesus

>>83954276
Are you implying that there's some hidden numbers there that make it so that Vshojo isn't displayed at their rightful 2nd place?

>>83954903
I wanna know how YOU got that from what that anon's saying.

>>83952190
i also hope Vshit dies

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Shes coming home anons

>>83949348
Why do you faggots say this, when there's demonstrable proof of the opposite?

>>83954189
I don't get why she'd turn down a 6-figure contract with Hololive just to join Vshojo.
>inb4 vshojo isn't jap and is privately owned cope

>>83954276
that's a different way to show the stat but it's not wrong. he could gather the whole thing into brave group name if they wanted to that wouldn't change shit. their stats are still legit and backed by vstats

>>83955495
anon you are stupid

Why is there so much poachbegging lately?

>>83955006
He's saying that the chart is bad because the makers made mistakes before.
Why point at past mistakes that are not on the current chart if you're not implying that there's something wrong with this one as well?

>>83955667
For some reason people think the best way to boost the relative popularity of vtubers they like is to use shitposts to somehow will the competition into becoming worse, rather than doing anything positive like making fan content or shilling clips or whatever

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>>83955667
seethe anon,Senzawa is coming home

>>83956030
I see no reason to trust a chart from people who have a history of fucking up things as basic as knowing who the groups on the chart are
They made that mistake because their source was feeding a Japanese numberfag website through Google Translate

>>83956538
So you are implying that Vshojo is secretly 2nd place then.

>>83956742
nah give the 2nd to phase we don't want this heat.

>>83956742
Nigga nobody's saying VShojo is second in anything but the EN space specifically. Only someone extremely ESL would think anyone was saying that about globally.

>>83949367
It's kind of amazing how Phasefags seem to be in an even tighter bubble than Holofags

They genuinely don't understand how few people actually know about Phase, let alone care

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>>83948525
This anon is still stuck in 2023.

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>>83950751
You won't memoryhole Rushia

>>83957138
hololive doesn't exist in a bubble, it's part of the streaming zeitgeist.
They barely have any Twitch presence, yet I've seen countless hololive emotes.

>>83947362
how did they pull rushia actually? why would she go for an at the time obscure western corpo, especially to nips. I'm sure there were Japanese agencies clamouring for her. Unless they somehow knew

>>83956742
No, I am saying all of these streamer charts are retarded because every website counts viewers differently and none of them are accurate, then on top of that the people making the charts demonstrably can't even group them properly
Stop caring about the numbers, they are barely a step above determining which vtubers are popular by reading tea leaves

>>83957405
I think it's important to distinguish between Holofags, i.e. the sort of person who posts here about "Holoboard" this and "[extremely popular vtuber] WHO?" that. The ones who are "true vtuber fans" but couldn't name a single one that hasn't appeared in a stream with the blue dorito stamp of approval
And the broader landscape of vtuber fans who may casually enjoy Hololive but are also spending time elsewhere

>>83957412
Kson said, "trust me bro" to both vshojo and to mike

>>83957412
That's the only reason i think the possibility of Aqua showing up VShojo isn't 0%. No one's really sure of how they got Rushia. Kson's said that she had nothing to do with it which is very surprising, but she's been pretty forthright about people she did have something to do with Henya That means that VShojo was either able to get her on board before Kson, or without using her for help. That could be anything from them presenting a compelling offer, to Rushia simply being scared that the way she left Hololive could end with her being blacklisted so someone offering her a lifeline seemed like a good idea.

>>83957750
>every website counts viewers differently
Please, point me to the method which would make Vshojo #2 then
>and none of them are accurate
Oh ok you're just retarded

>>83957837
The holofags you talk about don't even make 1% of the whole fanbase. Most of them are concentrated here, because they are shunned everyone else.

>>83958230
I never even mentioned them once anon. In fact they are probably over-represented because Twitch tends to count more viewers than YouTube does
I am telling you to stop caring about numbers and watch streams

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>>83958162
One of the funniest things I consistently see on this board is people acting like getting to keep your IP even if you leave is meaningless. If nothing else, VShojo doing that in Japan with at least one big name in their roster gives them a leg up in negotiations. She's coming home.

>>83949367
Phasekeks are the losers with 2 inches long peepee bragging about their 15 inches long monster. They know it's fake, they know people know it's fake, but they keep doing it anyway because they have no other ways to cope with their size.

>>83958442
Well, it's a lot easier to promise that when they only hire people who are already popular, they're very low risk
Most of the JP corpos are hiring 2views and plowing tens of thousands of dollars into them purely on the belief that they will become orders of magnitude more popular if they're just given exposure, they obviously can't afford to structure that in a way where the 'winners' can then just walk away

>>83958973
Idol was able to do it.

>>83959027
Not to be mean or anything but they are not operating in the same league as the companies I'm talking about
On the extreme end of the scale the newest holoEN gen probably had more money spent on their debuts than Idol has spent in its entire history

>>83958973
>they obviously can't afford to structure that in a way where the 'winners' can then just walk away
Sure they can.

Suppose Holo debuts a new talent tomorrow. Estimate costs to about $50K for model, assets, lore, debut song etc.
If you don't think that's enough, double it, I don't care.
How long do you think it'll take a Holo talent to break even on Cover's initial investment?

And once they inevitably leave, their character IP just sits around and gathers dust.
So what's the point in keeping it? If the talent stays long enough to make a return on Cover's investment, why shouldn't they be able to take the character with them?

>>83959027
>Idol
>Announces IP ownership for a few of your new talents who were larger than 2 views
>Goes bust few months later
Are you serious?

>>83959639
You're conflating 2 unrelated things anon. The reasons Idol went under had nothing to do with them letting people keep their IP. That part of the company wasn't even used until after they were sold with Rin and Fuyo leaving and taking their identities with them.
>>83959627
What this anon said. The only way they actually lose that money outright is if someone gets terminated close to immediately. And with how big the company is, 50k lost out the door isn't going to kill them. Going back to the example of idol, people who left via termination didn't get the option of keeping their IP. Allowing people to retain ownership is essentially a flex of your management ability because you're publicly saying that there's nothing stopping people from leaving and losing nothing, and them staying is a testament to how good you're doing your job of supporting the talent.

And before someone misreads this I'm not saying Cover's a black company or anything like that. By all metrics they seem to be quite good. But the practice of taking their identity away is rooted in making it so people reconsider leaving even if they're unsatisfied with their workplace.

>>83958162
>No one's really sure of how they got Rushia
The only thing that makes sense if she was already ostracized and blacklisted from almost the entirety of the JP corpo/streaming sphere pre-Nazuna.
Which leaves vshojo reaching out to her as quite possibly the reason and her only option at that time. I mean, she's in wactor now so if you're desperate enough I guess.

>>83957750
>Stop caring about the numbers
Right after you stop caring about vshojo not being number 2

>>83949420
higher than her going to hololive at least lmao

>>83955667
The bubble exploded probably 3 debuts ago, for some people is often "real speculation" for some others is just a joke.
Will it happen? Likely no, but it's always funny to make the "oh my god she's joining VShojo"

Mikeneko missed out LMAO

>>83940120 (OP)
What do they mean by this? Too good to be true

marge

>>83945451
They became much more powerful overnight
Why the artist forgot Henya?

>>83963277
OP did it to start shit but inadvertently started real discussion. Auditions closed at the start of the month before Aqua graduated and there's zero chance she'd be getting in that way. What's different is that VShojo will likely still be doing personal invites to people even outside of the audition results, and they're definitely going to shoot their shot with Aqua. Whether or not she accepts is another matter entirely, but the possibility is not zero and that's what makes it so fucking funny.

>>83957217
BEGONE EVIL SPIRIT

>>83953293
Nope. Everyone love onyan

>>83955667
Vshojo is falling into irrelevancy

>>83963656
holocope

>>83955667
The bait worked

>>83963656
The 3 whores fucking off and mythic really hurt their position huh?

>>83955667
Everyone in vshojo except ironmouse is bleeding viewers because there's twitch indies copying their shtick and doing it better like for example shylilly. And then you have kson who's borderline 3 view.
Mikeneko is mogging them hard.

>>83963546
Considering miko gave her a hint about kaichou and kson tried to hide something when asked about it, it's possible they will try
When sen returned to her tweet, ironmouse also clapped immediately

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>>83964060
>anon when he spends a perfecting fine wendsday complaining about vhsojo

>>83964060
Mikecat's gfe scheme has fallen off. She's just a flesh streamer now.
Ironically Rica did that too, only a few times. She's prettier than mike

>>83964060
>shylily
anon nice way to self-report. Shylily can barely make half of her old audience. I love how some retards are so proud to talk about things they don't know anything.

>>83964060
Mikeneko pulling more numbers post Vshojo despite all the shit baggage she has is pretty funny ngl.

>>83957412
It’s Rushia. Trying to make sense of anything she does is pointless.

>>83963656
>>83963804
Are we still in 2023? I'm crazy? Hmmmm? It's like Henya, matara and michi never debuted.

>The best agency for the best talent.
BASED

>>83964639
Who?

>>83940120 (OP)
Reminder that Nazuna fucked off on LITERALLY the first day when she could fuck off after her contract expired. Meanwhile she'd do anything to get back into Hololive.
Reminder that vshojo members left for FUCKING ASMONGOLD.

>>83964841
>Nazuna
How long are the Holo monkeys going to keep saying the same thing?

>>83958162
>>83957412
If we go by the "timeline", Rushia got terminated in February and was firstly teased as Nazuna in May by a lore video, which means she was already "in" or had her foot in the water. Same month, VShojoJP's CEO got hired. So both things started around likely the same time.
VShojoJP as a thing has always """existed"" as a way to promote VShojo in Japanese, which served because of Vei's presence in BiliBili and attachment to the girls. But it had never been a "thing" thing, until that month. So it was likely that Kson got originally hired to push this plan into fruition, but obviously they still held one person more back, the winner of the audition: Haruka. That plan got set aside for Kson, but one Japanese member isn't going to cut it, especially when not even the og applicant had been debuted, so they need something, and that was Rushia, a talent who at that time got blacklisted from everywhere and was also desperate.
Now, (this is my rrat) it is not impossible that Kson had nothing to do with the hiring, due to VShojoJP was a "stillbirth" project at that time (still was outside of being a main connection between JP companies and VShojo, until this applications), this made both VShojo and Rushia desperate, so their actions would not have changed even if Kson probably just gave the word to Rushia and at best, Kson would have only just given a heads-up to Rushia of who they were if likely but not about the hiring process.

Now these days, VShojoJP seems to be having so new air after hiring a Business Developer from HololiveEN.

>>83964841
Hey man, would you rather work for an american funny hick or a SEAnegro?

>>83964841
vei has like 1 brain cell anon , you cant blame her

>>83964840
good, it always nice when you admit to not know what you are talking about.

>>83964841
anon it was more than one year ago. No one cares anymore. Everyone that left is dead or dying.

>>83964841
Nazuna was kicked out.

>>83964841
>Members
Silver and nyan were the founders. Imagine phase losing Pippa or Holo losing Sora.

>>83965115
Yeah , and if Pippa and sora where a bunch whiny bitches and had constant drama all the time, then they would have the same fate

>>83964993
No seriously, who? Stop talking about nobodies.

>>83965115
Why do you people keep saying this as if it gives it anymore weight? Nobody cares that they were founding members because they don't place any members on a pedestal. There is no sempai or kouhai talk there or anything. That they're doing better with those people gone is proof positive of this.

>>83940120 (OP)
I didn't get an email back. It's sad. I told you in the application. If I don't get in, I'm killing myself. Congratulations.

>>83964942
>Rushia got terminated in February and was firstly teased as Nazuna in May
rrat says it was supposed to be Kanata with that model and not rushia.

>>83965211
>Pippa
Kek

>>83965240
maybe you should watch streams instead of shitposting?

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>graduation begging
>poach begging
I seriously hope those are all falseflaggers

>>83965266
that's you brain in corpo retardation. Let them be anon.

>>83965266
>Doing better
Daily reminder Nyan and Vei used to get 10k average for a period

>>83964918
>>83964969
>>83965075
>>83965107
>Vshojotards make poaching threads anytime anyone leaves a company
>Hey some people left vshojo too, maybe it's not perfe-
>FUCK YOU REEEEEEEEEE
Do they pay you to lick their boots or do you do it for free?

>>83965338
I don't watch nobodies.

>>83965299
rrats are retarded and still don't know how VShojo works. Nazuna designed herself with cues from her own audience. VShojo does not create identities for its members.
>>83965426
Mouse did too, and that was for a period of time in late 2021 and early 2022. People didn't leave until a year later so it's got nothing to do with anything.

>>83965115
Your comparison doesn't hold up, maybe in 2021 for Nyanners.
But if we were talking in 2023 terms
>Imagine Phase losing Pippa.
No, this would be a fair comparison if Ironmouse was the one to leave, not only she is their most known member it's also the reason Melody changed her original idea from a group of Lewdvtubers to what ended up being VShojo, which in a similar fashion Pippa was the one to really stick out Phase and their audience.
>or Holo losing Sora
This would be only if Melody was the one to leave.
>>83965299
Angel to Angel would have not made sense
Also, the reason for Nazuna's appearance was due to a a fucking poll in Mikeneko's channel

>>83964639
I just hate the fact that Vshojo only poaches bigger ones, most of Hololive's have been literal who's

>>83965440
thins nigga took /in/ posting serious KEK
Take your clonazepam anon.

>>83965531
ok, now shut up the adults are talking

>>83965585
Poachbeg more faggot. Maybe nazuna will rejoin the Hololive rejects.

>>83965665
Where are Holo rejects going?

>>83965575
>poll
when was this exactly? timeline wise

>>83965665
cry more, your phasecucked tears are delicious.

>>83965538
You are saying they are doing better but maybe only Mouse has still that average. So people definetely cared to some extent

>>83964446
>Join vshojo
>Lose all your viewers
I'm noticing a pattern since it happened to kson too.

>>83965582
poaching someone that was "fired or left" the company. You are not a really bright fella.

>>83965706
I don't remember because I never interacted much with the freaks in /rumina/ but I think they said around April. Which kinda makes sense, Nazuna was (still is) a fucking godtier model but it was servery rushed and what Merryweather put in Zentreya's lore video was a bit different from the actual model.

>>83965655
Shilling nobodies is not talking, it's just pathetic.

>>83965830
Retirement homes are where dreams die

>>83965830
>matara
>michi
>henya
Don't know anon... Why are you being so disingenuous? Makes you feel hard to lie on the internet?

>>83965842
that's actually crazy if her model with kagura nana design and Iron vertex rig got finished in 4 or 5 months

>>83965981
I'm talking about 5 views who joined. Not 3 views.

>>83965830
Vshojo doesn’t really have much of a Japanese audience, i could see it being beneficial if you were like 2view to low 3view but any higher and VshojoJP probably isn’t that worth, maybe highping monaca or someone similar would be cool.

>>83965981
Who?

>>83966167
It only proves that blue doritos faggots will not watch anyone without the blue doritos mark. But she still had bigger numbers for months until she decided to not stream for half a year. IT will destroy your numbers if you don't stream regulary.

>>83965266
It's not even right, the only person that would matter as a founding member would be Melody.
She's the one from actual day 0 of the project, and was the reason why they even got the og roster.
Melody knew Mouse, SIlver, Froot (as an artist) and Hime (as the fleshie), the last two due to her sudden fame due to the fight with the camwhores, and Mouse and Silver through her jump into Twitch. Zentreya was friends with Mouse and Silver and Silver with Nyanners.
>Remove Silver, and you lost Nyanners.
>Remove Nyanners and you don't lost anyone.
>Lose Melody and all the things fumble.
That's really the only important founding member

>>83940120 (OP)
try again after mint joined vshojo

>>83966476
Silvervale? Why you calling her?

>>83965976
>Retirement homes
Remember, Japan is literally being called a retirement home by the West.

>>83966589
More chances she joins phase at this point.

>>83966589
>>83966863
you can take her

>>83966863
Like a 0.001% chance maybe, i guess that’s probably a greater chance than vshojo

>>83965830
The jp branch is the more idol-like than main branch. And it's policy is more free unlike smaller jp corpo

>>83947522
https://x.com/774inc_official/status/1814858559177564183

>>83965585
You don't get to call your begging a meme when you started accusing others of begging because they posted YAGOO_outstreched _hand.jpg

>>83968581
this nigga still doesn't know about /in/ posting. Nigga lurk more

>>83968881
I'm not obligated to learn about your shitty vtroonjo memes.

>>83965266
Holy retard, it's important detail because it means that they are old long time members and for someone like that leaving to join other company, it says a lot about their previous company

>>83951957
I hope he beats her

I have no idea who is baiting who at this point, gotta love catalogfaggotry ans console wars 2: corpos edition.

Maybe she got a huge offer to jump to nijisanji they have a lot of money and no talent I doubt she would but they would be crazy not to start a bidding war just the rumour would help their share price

>>83969041
just makes you look more retard when you rant about it. Keep going

>>83969094
Wow! You can say that about literally any company someone leaves after a long time there you colossal retard. This thread is about fucking Aqua, who was with her company for 3 times as long as they were with VShojo.

>>83969287
it's just phasecucks trying to stir the pot now that they got cucked for a week straight after the money for condoms and "gomenne senpai".

>>83968881
Holoboard

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the rrat intensifies

>>83969344
Says the guy that rants about "holofags" being beggars for posting a yagoo meme image.

>>83969495
>2021-2024
>EN branch
Oh no no no vshojo bros you got omegatroon

>>83969633
pretty sure he came way before 2021 and left way before 2024

>>83969495
>Fix all internal issues pre IPO for EN
He wasn't very good at his job...

>>83969513
hmmmm... Wrong anon retard.

>>83969495
Omega?

>>83957217
The fact that people still try to memoryhole every single CN member but include Rushia, Aloe and Sana is hilariously hypocritical.

>>83970173
You're all the same.

>>83969428
>moving goalpost
That doesn't change the fact that you're retarded for basically saying that being old member isn't important because you think it's only senpai-kouhai or pedestal bullshit and of course an old member of Hololive is longer because Hololive is way older than Vshojo, it's still better tho than Vshojo losing 3 of their old member, retard

>>83947522
Getting married

>>83940120 (OP)
theres 0% chance she goes to vshojo
she has higher standards
besides shes busy enjoying her married life and getting pregnant

>>83970216
Never worked for ID, and left before Advent and this guy left in 2024

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>>83970334
It's not moving the goalpost lmao. The point was that nobody places any significance on seniority. It's literally in their mission statement. Sometimes people leave a company. It sucks, but it happens. That 2 of them were there from the beginning doesn't mean a lot to anyone but you apparently.

>>83970542
we still have one angry anon in our thread but the split was very amicable and as soon henya debuted it was forgot by everyone.

>>83970520
Vshojo has the highest standards in the industry though

>>83970102
Hiring anyone from that period is a gamble. Omega is framed as the main culprit but there is definitely more to it.

>>83970520
>she has higher standards
That's why she must sign with Vshojo

>>83970968
Considering how business work, a lot of the 2023 and even into 2024 were likely worked through this guy, but you are right, there's too many things that weren't right for them. But then again, different environment, a lot of the mistakes and "mistakes" are in the eyes of who see it as a mistake

>>83970542
Speaking like a true corpo bootlicker, all employees are just a cog in the machine
>Sometimes people leave a company. It sucks, but it happens.
You're forgetting the part that they leave to join other company not leaving because they want to retire or change their career or whatever personal reason, they leave simply because Vshojo can't give them better or at least same value contract compared to fucking Asmongloid's new company lol

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>>83940120 (OP)
To all VShojo orbiters... I mean... applicants... good luck! Your time to shine will come!

>>83971652
and tell us how this ended to them... Fucking zentreya got a nendo before Silver KEK

>>83971652
My man you've been slurping up way too many catalog rrats if this is what you're spitting out lol. Mythic's not even a company for starters, the fact that they can leave without retiring is a good thing that you're framing as a bad for some reason, and if you want to talk about being a cog in the machine it's easy to bring up that VShojo has 0 terminations, and Hololive has 3.

>>83940120 (OP)
>post job listing
>need 6+ years experience and 2 million subs minimum

>>83971652
The graduation of 3 of your oldest members at the same time is good actually

>>83940120 (OP)
I believe it, good for her if true.

>>83940120 (OP)
Aqua might be a retard, but she's not that retarded.

>>83963407
Henya was VOMS not Hololive.

>>83972040
anon it was more than one year ago. Get new bait, at least try to bait with henya hiatus or something else...

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>>83957217
Memoryhole who?

>>83971652
Mythic is not a company, is an agency, most people in this industry go into agencies for it. Also, yes stupid, the main reason has been always that their contract wasn't the best FOR THEM. You know, Vei and Nyan who barely have collabs, and only spent most of their time with their boyfriends and not really wanting to make music or barely participate or try to do the shit VShojo did (the meet and greets, concerts, etc), it is clear that both talent and company did not had the same direction and that money that the company was recollecting of the talent in the form of sponsors and merch was going into instead of their pockets.
Can't really say the same for Silver, who really had a moreso "MEMEME" personality, in which she benefited from leaving besides personal reasons, which none of the others have complained about. I can't really say anything about Nazuna, I got nothing.

>>83972244
Concession accepted.

>>83971881
>moving goalpost
>not denying for being corpo bootlicker
Rumao
>>83971967
Retiring means they are no longer being vtuber not just change their vtuber identity which Vshojo have no right for their IP to begin with you moron, the problem is not the leaving part but the reason of it which is shitty contract, you can argue all you want but the fact is they are leaving to join Mythic because they got better contract than Vshojo and also the fact that most of Hololive member only leave because they got fired means that they don't want to leave Hololive which is better than Vshojo

>>83970228
Like 5 people gave a shit about the CN branch outside of China.

>>83947655
play a game - get no money
play the same game - get LOTS of money
Gee, I wonder if having chat around is worth it??

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>>83940120 (OP)
Nips don't care about VShojo you stupid fucking EOP

>>83972718
get new material bro

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>>83973230
Sure they do

>>83940120 (OP)
Excellent Japanese do not work for Japanese companies.

>>83972352
You know silver is... Strange. She had it really good in vshojo, they helped her with her horrible music, they helped her with her weird projects but what she really wanted was not up to vshojo to give her. She wanted to be popular by not working at all, she even skipped her singing lessons and had that meltdown during mouse event about how she would never be respected because her numbers. In the other hand you have zen with the horrible tts debuff working hard to put her name out there, to get partnerships and sponsors by herself and is even trying the vocaloid thing... Silver is still stuck in 2021

>>83973249
>p-please stop exposing our bad side

>>83973745
do you even know what you are talking about?

>>83973230
Vshojo is famous in Japan. Pretty much everyone is expecting Aqua to join Vshojo.

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>>83973275
>The first one doesn't even know what vshojo does
>The second one is pic related
>The third one is not even japanese.

>>83949219
>phase is 0.7%
Then why are they so fucking loud on /vt/? Is /vt/ somehow literally their majority audience?

>>83973745
Are you high anon? Be honest. None of what you're saying makes any sense. People leaving a company means the company is bad? Even if they have nothing bad to say about the company afterward? What bad side are you talking about? Hell, when Doki got terminated Vei specifically said she didn't want to talk about it because she knew if she commented then people might associate her comments about Niji to VShojo and she didn't want to make VShojo look bad. Just a month or so back at a charity event Gunrun even gave Nyanners a hug.

>>83974199
But niji is seen as bad by fucking everyone, she would've made vshojo look good if she shat on them.

>>83974051
you are so close anon...

>>83974199
>>People leaving a company means the company is bad?
>the problem is not the leaving part but the reason of it which is shitty contract
Either you're pretending or actually retarded, which one?

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>>83971652
>All employees are just cogs in a machine
>If you leave Hololive you lose your identity
>No, the company doesn't do anything with it
>No, you can't have it despite that
>Also you can't talk about your time at the company when you reappear elsewhere or state who you used to be
>Also you're not allowed to collaborate with your friends there anymore
None of these apply to VShojo btw, where you're definitely just a cog in a machine instead of a person that matters.

>>83966863
Mint doesn't want her IP stolen.

>>83957412
Fancuck (at the time) here.
Around that time it seemed like she'd be blacklisted from every JP corpo, she probably hopped onto the first opportunity she had which at the time was Vshojo.

>>83974686
>People leave for a stated reason
>The reason is resolved
>No one else leaves
Hmm

>>83973501
Unironic mental issues, both Ironmouse and Silvervale came not under VShojo but under Melody's wing, the three should have been VShojo's big three but of course that wasn't the case. Even if VShojo was (and still is) a bit of a screw up to make fair stuff fair, they also commit the flaw of milking their moneymaker, which cripples everyone else, of which no one in the company has cared more than Silvervale did, she wanted more and more. She was always split between being lewd (due to Melody's influence) and a singer vtuber (due to Ironmouse's) and she just never outranked them or at least try to be somewhat good at them. It is not surprising she went with Mythic and they have been pampering with stuff, but literally out of the three, no one is demanding the same as her. Now, I will admit that Silvervale does produce a lot of money due to her fanbase, but it always comes down to the same shit, numbers and the others. I find it a bit funny that she allied with the other 2 THAT were the actual big three after but Ironmouse, the one that really surpassed everyone in the group, of which her problem was "not being her friend".

Arguably she's a better place now, but man she feels almost fake and a ticking time bomb that maybe VShojo not fighting for her seems viable.

It's honestly pretty cool of vshojobeggars to completely shit all over the graduation.

>>83975142
Never trust a streamer that adds "comfy" and "cozy" to every stream title

>>83974707
>taking things out of context
Just in case you're actually an idiot and not just trying to move the goal post to derail the discussion, it starts with that one retard claiming that being founding members doesn't weight anything because it's only seniority and pedestal shit but in reality it means an old time member that have been there since the beginning which of course it matters when they leave for bad reason like having shitty contract, only a corpo bootlickers would say that it doesn't matter because they think all employees are just them same that they are just a cog

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>>83975213
Not a single post in this thread has spoken negatively about the graduation anon. People will shit on the concept of graduations though. Because graduations, as they currently stand, are stupid. Imagine a world where leaving a company simply means their branding will no longer appear next to your name. A world where talents can come and go as they please. A world where there is no pressure to stay locked into a box you're not happy to be inside of thanks to the fear of what you lose by leaving.

A world without graduations.

>>83975342
>of course it matters
To who? That's subjective. Also you didn't address any of the points in the post which are way more relevant to the idea of one company treating you as a cog vs another.

>>83975213
I like what they do for graduations but I can't help to think they are bit idk, weird.
You are saying goodbye to the person or the character? Are you just giving a last hoorah of money to them regardless of what they do with it?
It's a concept that exist within idol culture, but it's not even remotely the same because VTubers have it so easy to reemerge

I don't know why anyone who actually watched Aqua would be surprised that she was leaving if you saw her being bullied on her last birthday stream by clout chasiers who obviously gave zero fucks about her it was obvious she never wanted to spend another birthday doing shit she hated and had probably been dreading for weeks just to be a good corpo drone so wherever she goes I hope she just plays games and stays in her happy place with the people who love her how she is

>>83975427
>I'm not shitting on the graduation, I'm only shitting on the CONCEPT of it!
The entire existence of this thread is shitting on the graduation and your post is one of the biggest shits of all.
You couldn't just let it be and had to beg.

>>83975721
Anon do you know what a concept is

>>83975721
Because out of most graduations fucking everyone knows they will return in some capacity, we barely had ones (meaningful ones) who did not return in some way, everyone has been desensitized to them because they are used to this rodeo.

>>83975874
And everyone returns because they're only leaving a company that won't let them take their identity with them. Otherwise the idea of graduating wouldn't have been so watered down when it used to mean people legitimately leaving and not coming back.

>>83974003
Weebs larping as japanese with google translate is top3 cringe shit on the internet.

>>83975751
Yes. You're not shitting on just this particular graduation but all of them. You're trying to frame this as if you're on the talent's side but you're not. You have zero respect for them.

>>83975874
You're completely missing the point, keklord. I suggest you stop commenting on what japanese vtubers do if you're not going to lurk more to understand the culture.

>>83976004
I don't have any respect for unnecessary graduations, yes. A graduation should mean something. As it stands now its been abused so thoroughly it's lost all of its meaning in vtubing. Who gives a fuck about a tradition if the tradition is stupid. Do you think Aqua wouldn't have taken the opportunity to leave as Aqua without "graduating" if she had the opportunity? There was a fucking game she worked on that got a shitload of praise and her leaving canceled the sequel that I'm sure she would have loved to see come to fruition.

Graduations as they currently exist are stupid. The future is now, oldhead. Get with the times.

>>83976157
Good job on shitting even more on Aqua's graduation, tribalmonkey. Just stop commenting on things that are not for you and stop begging.

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>>83976248
Try and keep this energy up when she inevitably returns, regardless of where that is and what form it takes. I'm sure you'll have plenty to be furious about when the graduating vtuber didn't stay gone forever.

>>83976157
To be fair, that mainly exists due to the influence of the company and the fact that the character was created for that company and will no longer make money for them, while also preventing for someone to just join one year, get fame and then leave with everything. With the first point, it's obviously similar to what happens in the gaming industry, it sucks for fans and people just hope that the thing to come is as good as the stuff they knew the person from.

>>83975427
Maybe you should cultivate the talent first from the ground up instead of leech their popularity from other popular corpo. The concept of vshojo is similar to leeches, they never hire any 2view noname and help them reaching the top but hiring terminate, graduated corpo and orbiter that everyone know for years. Basically a clique, the prerequisite for join them, first you must know them and not because of your talent. I will change my mind if they hire a nobody that have no relation to any members of vshojo.

>>83976344
>regardless of where that is and what form it takes
You either don't get it or you do but you hate it.
>I'm sure you'll have plenty to be furious about when the graduating vtuber didn't stay gone forever.
Cool strawman, tribalmonkey.

>>83976410
People always say this, but I don't buy it. If a company is doing a good job, then staying in that company is more enticing than leaving. Doing idol shit as an indie is extremely difficult. Management is expensive. Those are the kinds of things that being in Hololive gets you, and are a hundred times more difficult to pull off without that help. If a company is doing their job, then you don't want to leave. Simple as that.

>>83975751
Nta but the people who shitting on the concept are retards, you can change it to resignation but somehow graduation is worst. It's like you hate people using it to subvert other culture.

>>83975570
>It's a concept that exist within idol culture, but it's not even remotely the same because VTubers have it so easy to reemerge
What a retarded thing to say. Real idols literally do not even need to re-emerge because they keep on going as public people outside of the idol group and it's activities if that's what they want to do.

>>83976621
>First you must know them
Oh no. The big evil company wants people who get along with their current members! Nevermind that this paints a clear and obvious path to joining. Networking.

>>83975515
>Subjective
It's funny that you're just dodging it by calling it subjective, of course it's subjective you moron but your answer will determine who you are, which is the entire point of the discussion, we are talking about people with corpo bootlickers mentality not the corpo themselves so your post is not even relevant to begin with you idiot

>>83976639
The thing is, once you deal basically everything idol stuff, you kinda just realize how repetitive everything is. Yeah, you have money, but you also have to do the other shit each year.
>>83976621
If VShojo was a clique, they wouldn't have hire Nazuna. They also have a lot of friends who have not joined them. With their low numbers of members, it just makes the percentage of "from friend of them to member" really small.

>>83976344
>"g-graduation mean they never return"
Your entire shizo post is because you're a retard that somehow take graduation = permanent disappearance. You know what happen when you graduate school right? You don't actually die.

>>83976744
? I called it graduation because that's what it's called. If it was called resignation it would still be stupid. If you work for a company for a year and decide to resign they don't make you get facial reconstruction surgery and legally change your name and force you not to acknowledge your previous place of employment. That's something unique to vtubing. If graduation literally meant they were stopping streaming entirely then it would carry actual weight.

>>83976773
Then there no point doing a recruitment and hiring a diamond in the rough. Thanks for acknowledging it.

>>83976639
No it's not "simple as that".
People change their work place/companies all the time in different industries.
You can't expect a company to specifically cater to one employee and change its whole structure based on that.
The rest of hololive talents didn't have the problem that Aqua apparently has.

>>83976777
I'm not the one defending those ideas though. That's something you're doing. I already said what my stance in the matter is. It's unfortunate, but it happens. People move on. Maybe you should too.

>>83977057
Yeah, sometimes people fall out of love with their current place of employment. Punishing them by stripping them of their identity because they want to just play games elsewhere instead of performing all the time isn't good. Also
>The rest of the talents don't have the same problem
That remains to be seen, doesn't it? Because I'll tell you the first thing about Corpo PR 101: You don't let bad news stack up if you can avoid it. Look at Nijisanji. People make fun of the graduation queue, but the appearance of a queue only exists because they announce them one at a time instead of as requests are submitted so there's some breathing room inbetween them. Maybe everyone else is okay with whatever direction Holo's going in, but it's way too early to say for sure.

>>83976948
He's just mad about the fact that not all hololive fans follow the talents after graduation so fags like this take that to mean that graduation means death to those fans.

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>>83977325
>graduation means death to fans
Why yes.

>>83977378
You're actually brain damaged.

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>>83977378
>See this
>Decide to do some others
>"I miss Pikamee" 51 results
>"I miss Rushia" 225 results
>"I miss Mysta" 762 results
>"I miss Pomu" 1,937 results
>"I miss Selen" 392 results
>"I miss Mika" 11 results okay that one's funny, but she didn't have much of an audience here to begin with

>>83976900
Nazuna literally only got in due to her connection to kson and everyone saw that it was a terrible idea.

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>>83950842
Silvervale still has no nendroid while Zentreya who was smaller than her when she left Vshojo now has one.

>>83977761
and zen is bigger now too...

>>83977280
>Punishing them by stripping them of their identity because they want to just play games elsewhere instead of performing all the time isn't good
I mean, this is just pure rrat projection. Nobody knows what the "creative differences" are besides Aqua, holo and her closest friends. So far nobody has spilled the beans.
Plenty of other holos compete in vsaikyo, collab with homos etc. if you're implying that's what she is forbidden to do.
If you're saying that she doesn't want to do any idol stuff anymore then that's on her really. The company established itself with that image and their concerts are super popular. Every holo is doing it in some capacity. If she no longer wants to do it then she no longer fits in, again - it's an "Aqua" problem.

>>83977761
>People slowly realizing Asmongold is a retard
>Sponsors instantly pull out
kek

>>83978565
nah they con everyone by using OTK sponsors as "mythic". Someone even left both after this one.

>>83978309
I mean from the moment she said it my assumption has been the same. That being that they want to de-emphasize streaming in favor of a stronger emphasis idol stuff. That doesn't mean no streaming obviously, but it would signal a shift in priorities which would match pretty much everything that can be surmised without solid evidence. Someone can like streaming and gaming more than they like idol activities, and if they were already considering leaving which I'm fairly certain she was a shift like this could be all it takes to finally go through with it.

But that's just a rrat and I'm certainly not claiming to know anything insider.

>>83978565
Mythic never had these sponsors in the first place.
And we know they don't offer management to their big talents either.
https://youtu.be/TzEG8Cz7wyM [Embed]
>Mythic do not do management
>they don't manage the talents at all