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This will be peaceful

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>>47567463 (OP)
Cute ShiToko thread

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>>47567463 (OP)
Since he's being autistic this is the old thread in case anyone cares.
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Now then, can we continue on about Miotsukushi and what about it triggers that one faggot's fight or flight response?

>>47567607
No one cares about copesole fanfiction.
/thread

>>47567619
Okay we're getting closer to your root insecurity I think.
What exactly is it coping with, do you think?

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>>47567571
That's the dead shitposting thread, OP got it right. Since you are shitposting, might as well post the original art instead of your malding edit.
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/216677901/#216680816

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>>47567645
You get this worked up over an arrow...

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>>47567463 (OP)
Pleasant surprise.

>>47567678
The speech box is higher up too.

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>>47567684
You care a lot about shitsugou

>>47567705
Yeah

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>>47567711
You shouldn't
The writer and animation team was the one that was wrong. So fuckin relax.

>>47567637
You got me. I'm so insecure about liking poorly written fanfiction that I have to reply to days old posts on the internet like a passive aggressive little bitch.

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>>47567743
Is that so?
Where did you do that? Maybe you should relax a little and explain things clearly so everyone understands your viewpoint.

>>47567780
Maybe on another day, I'm writing an essay on the canonical implications of Abridged's art right now.

>>47567792
Oh I see.
Don't forget to sprinkle some humor every 100 pages or so.

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>>47567726
The character designer was in the right though

>>47567680
Cute! Who's the artist?

>>47567913
samefagmcgee

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>>47567936
cord loser

>>47567954
lol it's just so ridiculously obvious dude.

>>47567954
(you)

>>47567990
I guess it's something you have to be retarded to see (hallucinate that is), cordanon

Is "no u" the best shitokofags can offer now? Not that their were famous for their originality

>>47568358
You got that from a post saying "pleasant surprise"?

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>>47568289
Angefag will save us all

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>>47567913
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/56651467/artworks

They deleted all their higu stuff a few years ago for some reason, probably because of Gou lmao

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>>47568402
That's such a shame, but par of the course with artists

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thread hidden

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>>47567571
the edit is even more correct than the real version

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I really like this picture

>>47568651
Ehm... That's nice anon...
Do you have something you might want to tell us?

>>47567463 (OP)
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/121582629

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>>47568651

>>47570702
female_supporting_yaoi material

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Freedom on the other side of the endless sea of kakera

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>>47571325
>1 image on gelbooru
where do I find more

>>47572621
Rika, stop! Hanyuu put polonium in your-
...
Well, I guess she's getting bored of ways to kill you. That lonely goat is hard to please, but very inventive. Drink up. I'll call Irie-sensei and get a lead-lined body bag ready.

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>>47571863
rule34.xxx

female_supporting_yaoi -anthro -dark-skinned_male

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The beauty of freedom is preferable to pathetic yandere obsession.

>>47573313
Shion will forever be a more interesting character than Rika.

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>>47573335
?
I never mentioned Shii-chan?

>>47573413
Yeah, I did. She's literally the only yandere in the entire franchise and she's more interesting than Rika.

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>>47573420
That's your opinion.
I don't care to argue semantics of yan.
But I love the little struggler the most.

>>47573454
The argument is that Shion is better than Rika, no semantics involved.

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Stew in your hate forever then.
Atonement is given to all underneath these blue skies.

Apparently liking better characters is hate.

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I get that feeling. It's hard to put it into exact words why you think something is beautiful.
For me the main points are her mystery, strength, and vulnerability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6biUF-Xa4I [Embed]
That mystique feeling is strongest in her, and it's got an irresistible pull. That's what interested me the most. From the first time she said to K1 "I'll protect the cat". And her death after, I was absolutely fascinated. I couldn't be more interested in her.

>>47567607
It triggers them because it's a threat to those who actually quite enjoy the current state of utter disinterest and destruction of Higurashi. These people are only interested in permanent shitposting or vapid image dumping. If the new Higurashi was even partially as good as this supposed fanfiction, the franchise would be in a much better state. And let's face it, it's kind of embarrassing that even the really bad fan theories end up being far more interesting than what actually happens in the self-proclaimed canon. If I had to guess, I wouldn't be surprised if this anon was part of the not insignificant group of people who thought this dumpster fire would lead to a new anime adaptation of Umineko, like tell me something about coping. And the best part is that he's probably still hoping and believing today. It's almost sadder than seeing all the desperate Ciconia fans on suicide watch. Now you may think I'm some big Miotsukushi fan, but the truth is that I think this is just a slightly better ending than the bad/below average Matsuribayashi. In other words, far from great question arcs or early answer arcs.

Gou? Awful.
The fanfiction arc written by the gacha writer where Satoko hugs her parents so hard they die? Now THAT'S a good VN.

>>47573252
How the fuck did K1 end up here?

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One: Mion needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine.
Two: Whenever Mion's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "Where's Mion?"

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>>47574049
wrong file

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>>47574049
>>47574059
Yep I'm thinking these two are Cute and Canon

3 Days until Rika's Birthday btw

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>>47574790
Of course.

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>>47568651

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>>47579038
Ok...just imagine male Rena telling every kid in school he's going to take them home

>>47579038
Needs longer hair though.

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>>47579050
Literally me then

>>47573814
I don't know the context but I mean she already killed her parents. And L5 gives you retard strength. So that makes more sense than everything is the fault of yuri hurt feelings or whatever the fuck.

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>>47573814
>The fanfiction arc written by the gacha writer where Satoko hugs her parents so hard they die?
>>47579663

Miotsukushi has a dream sequence where Satoko remembers hugging her parents, and then they just lost their balance and fell, pushing her away so she wouldn't fall with them, rather than her purposefully pushing them to their deaths.

Right afterwards when she wakes up Satoko outright said it was probably just a fabrication though so it's odd some people keep mentioning that when the story itself says it's just a dream.

>>47579942
God you can tell Ryukishi had zero influence on the writing of Miotsukushi based off how utterly OOC Satoko sounds in this it's fucking gross

>>47580027
Nah it sounds in character.
Ryukishi is author number 1 for turning characters into mouthpieces for his author self for certain passages anyway.

>>47580054
>Nah it sounds in character.
Nah it doesn't sound in character.
Also you seem to forget that Ryukishi didn't write this fan-fic arc so your argument about this being a mouthpiece for him is fucking retarded. Go ahead and show me some screenshots of Satoko stating that Rika is her reason to live from the original 8 chapters written by Ryukishi

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>>47580074
Bahaha! That's the root of his very poorly worded Miotsukushi hatred!

>>47573789
What an retarded post
>These people are only interested in permanent shitposting or vapid image dumping.
That has nothing to do with anons hating Miotsukishi for being god awful fan-fic that makes characters act OOC.
>If I had to guess, I wouldn't be surprised if this anon was part of the not insignificant group of people who thought this dumpster fire would lead to a new anime adaptation of Umineko, like tell me something about coping. And the best part is that he's probably still hoping and believing today. It's almost sadder than seeing all the desperate Ciconia fans on suicide watch.
Insane cope or self-projection I have no fucking clue, this may shock your rodent sized brain but I can hate Miotsukishi, Gou, and Umineko all at the same time for it being horribly written garbage.
>Now you may think I'm some big Miotsukushi fan, but the truth is that I think this is just a slightly better ending than the bad/below average Matsuribayashi. In other words, far from great question arcs or early answer arcs.
Despite how lackluster and shit Matsuribayashi is it's written by an author who has a clear vison and ending in mind for his story, Miotsukishi is written like an actual fan-fic by a fan who wants a super happy ending where his favorite character gets a starring role and everything ends up perfect, it's like reading middle school fan-fic but on a bigger scale.

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>>47580114
>a super happy ending where his favorite character gets a starring role and everything ends up perfect
So it's Matsuribayashi?
Just replace "favorite" with "everyone's favorite"

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>>47580090
>Hating a non-canon arc written by someone other than the author who doesn't understand the characters is a bad thing
Either you're a fake fan of rika who doesn't care how she's portrayed or you're a fucking retard pick one and only one

>>47580027
There's an interview linked at in the wiki where they talk about they had weekly reunions while writing Miotsukushi, so R07 was actually heavily involved in it. In addition to that, the arc was also based on unused materials R07 had for Matsuribayashi. The script isn't R07's tough, so you can complain about the actual writing style, but he was actually involved with this. Note Ouka being identical to Rika came up in Miotsukushi before Saikoroshi.

See also the whole segment where Satoko starts thinking about how a side of her is very Takano-like and in some circumstances she'd actually be happier dying alongside Rika rather than letting her live by herself. None of that even have anything to do with Miotsukushi's plot, in hindsight, it really feels like Kanou stumbling upon some unused lore stuff R07 had prepared even though he wouldn't use it until more than a decade later with Gou/Sotsu.

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>>47580136
I'm just trying to pick your brain as to what you dislike about it but you do nothing but ad-hominem so I'm just teasing instead.

>>47580130
Except in Matsuribayshi it's not a perfect happy ending. Some characters lose the devolpment they got in Minagoroshi, some problems are left completely unsolved making them a ticking timebomb instead with Minagoroshi they decide to just speedrun through all of it and give Keiichi back all his memories and solving all of their problems with ease, at least Matsuirbayashi tried to make the final struggle seem serious for most of it

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>>47580139
But anon, apparently Ryukishi himself called it non canon!
>>47563867 →
Still waiting on evidence though.

>>47580158
>Some characters lose the devolpment they got in Minagoroshi
Who and how does that make it less happy.
>some problems are left completely unsolved
Which?
>Matsuirbayashi tried to make the final struggle seem serious
lol Akasaka used a sniper to ding a gun out of a guy's hand while he was in a moving car, most mooks got hit home alone style by traps, etc.
It was serious sure but was it really so different from Miotsukishi?

>>47580158
I'll never not be pissed off that Minagoroshi is forgotten by everyone except Hanyuu

>>47580139
Weekly reunions has nothing to do with Ryukishi actually having a say in the plot written, show me the exact line in the interview where it states Ryukishi would interject and write stuff on where the story would go.
>In addition to that, the arc was also based on unused materials R07 had for Matsuribayashi.
so pretty much content Ryukishi cut out of Matsuribayashi? In this case should we also say that Irie being the REAL mastermind behind all of this and kept Satoshi brain in a jar as canon as well? It being cut out of the main story and then added to a arc written by a different author doesn't suddenly make it canon.
>The script isn't R07's tough, so you can complain about the actual writing style, but he was actually involved with this.
His involvement going as far as him letting a different author use his characters for his story and that's about it.
>See also the whole segment where Satoko starts thinking about how a side of her is very Takano-like and in some circumstances she'd actually be happier dying alongside Rika rather than letting her live by herself.
None of this wasn't very unique, the comparisons between Satoko and Takano had existed back then before this came out and yuri baiting between Satoko and Rika was there too, all added long after the original 8 chapters but the ideas became popular with fans after the series finished. But just because fans suggest or promote theories or ships doesn't make them canon in the actual works itself and a different author who did not write these characters adding this element in doesn't make these elements true for the original characters in the original story.

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>>47580145
What is hard to understand about what I don't like about it? Either you're an ESL who can't read or you're just a fucking retard but seeing how you keep posting Rika the answer is clear to see

>>47580158
>Some characters lose the devolpment they got in Minagoroshi
In the story itself, this only comes up with Rika though, and it's just a way of giving Hanyuu a guiding role.

People mention Satoko only due to Gou/Sotsu but in Matsuribayashi itself she shows no sign of rejecting people's help and trying to take all burden by herself even in situations where characters like Shion and Rika could have ended up dead, she still trust them rather than feeling like it was all on her.

>some problems are left completely unsolved making them a ticking timebomb instead

Nah, they're just magically solved off-screen. For example, you get villagers treating Satoko well in one scene from Matsuribayashi even though there was no campaign unifying Hinamizawa for her. It clearly was originally meant to be seen as a perfect happy ending.

>they decide to just speedrun through all of it and give Keiichi back all his memories and solving all of their problems with ease, at least Matsuirbayashi tried to make the final struggle seem serious for most of it

Miotsukushi does have a slice of life segment unlike Matsuribayashi, but it also has more drama than Matsuribayashi. The Teppei, Rena, Shion and Mion stuff are all serious.

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>>47580209
No, it's obvious.
What I mean to say is I'm wondering if you have any deeper, more intuitive literary thoughts than what stupid emotional stuff rises to the surface immediately like "Rika hate! Satoko like Rika? Miotsukushi hate! No canon no canon!".

>>47580182
>Who and how does that make it less happy.
Pretty much everyone but Rika and Hanyuu seeing how they have zero memory of Minagoroshi and before you say memory leaks there is nothing in Matsuribayahsi that hints at them retaining the lessons they learned in that arc, and it makes it "less happy" since it makes the struggle we saw them all go through in the last chapter feel hollow knowing that they have absolutly no memory of it. We don't know if this Keiichi still has those feelings of shame thinking about murdering Teppei in order to save Satoko or if Satoko will ever reach out if she has a problem instead of carrying it by herself to be strong.
>Which?
Teppei, Reina, and some villagers still holding some resentment towards the houjous despite Oryuo forgiving them in this world as well.
>lol Akasaka used a sniper to ding a gun out of a guy's hand while he was in a moving car, most mooks got hit home alone style by traps, etc.It was serious sure but was it really so different from Miotsukishi?
Yes because Matsuribayashi doesn't just give the reader every best possible outcome and best solutions to every problem the characters face or will face for it's ending. Matsuribayashi isn't supposed to be the perfect world with the best possible ending with every problem solved it's just a world where Rika learns to be active in her fate and make the best out of it.
>>47580212
>In the story itself, this only comes up with Rika though, and it's just a way of giving Hanyuu a guiding role.

>People mention Satoko only due to Gou/Sotsu but in Matsuribayashi itself she shows no sign of rejecting people's help and trying to take all burden by herself even in situations where characters like Shion and Rika could have ended up dead, she still trust them rather than feeling like it was all on her.

We are given zero comfirmation if Satoko remembers these lessons or not and Satoko trusting her friends when they are being hunted and possibly killed does not mean she has fully gotten over her sense of guilt. When other lives are on the line Satoko will do what she can to help out, her problem was her carrying her grief and heartbreak alone not wanting to be seen as weak and be a burden onto others. if this was a problem affecting Satoko ONLY then maybe we could've seen if she had remembered her lesson in Minagoroshi but we didn't
>Nah, they're just magically solved off-screen. For example, you get villagers treating Satoko well in one scene from Matsuribayashi even though there was no campaign unifying Hinamizawa for her. It clearly was originally meant to be seen as a perfect happy ending.
We saw SOME villagers treating Satoko nicely but that doesn't mean some villagers still don't habor a disliking towards the houjous, and again with teppei and Reina possibly returning they still have problems going forward.
>Miotsukushi does have a slice of life segment unlike Matsuribayashi, but it also has more drama than Matsuribayashi. The Teppei, Rena, Shion and Mion stuff are all serious.
Seeing Rika tazer Teppei and take care of it that easily only leaves a bitter taste in my mouth and make me look down on Rika as a character more knowing she could've solved it that easily in any of the previous fragments where she's taken.

>>47580203
>Weekly reunions has nothing to do with Ryukishi actually having a say in the plot written
They highlight how he was more involved there than with Taraimawashi/Tsukiotoshi, which didn't have all those meetings, although, yeah, technically they don't talk about his actual role there regarding Miotsukushi's meetings, so I guess you'll keep saying he just went there to do nothing. Like I said though, Ouka being identical to Rika is outright a plot point first shown in Miotsukushi before Saikoroshi.

>His involvement going as far as him letting a different author use his characters for his story and that's about it.
Then those various meetings wouldn't be necessary.

Also, note R07 scrapped a "bad ending" arc idea where Rena would kill Mion due to a love triangle with Keiichi (noting it'd be hard to see them hanging out as friends in other scenarios after a situation like that), so it's not like he was just letting the console staff do anything with the characters.

>None of this wasn't very unique, the comparisons between Satoko and Takano had existed back then before this came out and yuri baiting between Satoko and Rika was there too, all added long after the original 8 chapters
Miotsukushi was written alongside Matsuribayashi, not "long after". Matsuribayashi came out August 2006, while the console port was February 2007, but note the console port also had stuff like CG artwork and voice acting, passing through rating boards (which even resulted in having to cut content, there's a bunch of voice stuff that's in the 07th mod because it was in the files that was actually missing from the console ports) so the script needed to be done much earlier.

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>>47580241
>What I mean to say is I'm wondering if you have any deeper, more intuitive literary thoughts than what stupid emotional stuff rises to the surface
I'm going to need you to be serious now are you fucking retarded or not? Caring for characters you've spent hundreds of hours getting to know and care about should invoke anger and wrath from any sane human being. I despise pretentious retards like you with a passion let me guess you like higurahsi as a "literary work about the themes of struggling against insurmountable odds and the concept of overcoming fate and ones nature" well guess what faggot so does everyone else who likes Higurashi we just so happen to also like and care for the characters as well I don't need any other reason to love Satoko besides my own and seeing her portrayed so out of character should make you PISSED because I am a human being not some soulless insectoid who only cares about gay shit like "themes' or "meaning"

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>>47580303
In the end, unable to say anything of substance, all you have is your rage. You use "canon" and "out of character" as a cudgel to attack. Not as substantive arguments.

>>47580290
>They highlight how he was more involved there than with Taraimawashi/Tsukiotoshi, which didn't have all those meetings, although, yeah, technically they don't talk about his actual role there regarding Miotsukushi's meetings, so I guess you'll keep saying he just went there to do nothing. Like I said though, Ouka being identical to Rika is outright a plot point first shown in Miotsukushi before Saikoroshi.
Like you said nothing there says he has any influence or say on the story written by a different author

>Then those various meetings wouldn't be necessary.
Says who? Who's the say he just didn't go there to hang out with his staff?
>Also, note R07 scrapped a "bad ending" arc idea where Rena would kill Mion due to a love triangle with Keiichi (noting it'd be hard to see them hanging out as friends in other scenarios after a situation like that), so it's not like he was just letting the console staff do anything with the characters.
So this just shows that when he IS involved he will shoot down ideas he sees as very OOC for them to take, meaning that the staff behind writing the console arcs/Miotsukishi have a tendency to write the characters in OOC ways that Ryukishi would not approve of

>Miotsukushi was written alongside Matsuribayashi, not "long after". Matsuribayashi came out August 2006, while the console port was February 2007, but note the console port also had stuff like CG artwork and voice acting, passing through rating boards (which even resulted in having to cut content, there's a bunch of voice stuff that's in the 07th mod because it was in the files that was actually missing from the console ports) so the script needed to be done much earlier.
This only works in my favor, since if Ryukishi really HAD intended on adding the lines about Satoko dying for Rika and being her reason to live he would've found a way to put it in Matsuribayashi same with the Mion shipping if it was something he really felt to be canon and integral to their characters and yet as we see they were all written and added ONLY to the console arc Miotsukshi written by a staff with a history of writing the characters OOC

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>>47580322
Because this doesn't need a fucking essay retard, it's simple
>Satoko acts OOC
>Story is written by a different author/staff
>Story is written like a fan-fic
The only reasons I need to hate this trash, I don't care if it was written by fucking Dostoevsky if he wrote something this bad I'd call him a shit writer and tell him to kill himself for writing these characters this way. Not everything needs to be this super deep complex reason as to why I think Miotsukishi is shit, what would YOU consider something of substance to criticize about
>t-the prose is actually bad
>t-the themes are inconsistent
You're in the WRONG fucking franchise if you care about shit like that, also tell me honestly if you're a umitard too this aura of pretentious dick sniffing faggotry is just too high for you to be anything else

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>>47580345
It doesn't take an essay to back a point up with proofs you know...
I'm smug sure, when I'm talking to a half wit that has to saturate any empty point he tries to make with ad hominem. It's embarrassing talking to someone like that. It stinks of insecurity.

>>47580280
>We are given zero comfirmation if Satoko remembers these lessons or not and Satoko trusting her friends when they are being hunted and possibly killed does not mean she has fully gotten over her sense of guilt.

Satoko sees both Rika and Shion putting their lives on the line -for her- and accepts it rather than trying to take it upon herself. This is an even more serious situation than in previous arc which would leave her with a huge sense of guilty if they actually died in those moments, and yet she still lets them go.

>We saw SOME villagers treating Satoko nicely

Yeah, which wouldn't happen if the situation were like before. It's not like it was one villager by himself, they were in public with several people around and nothing negative comes out. Remember, the problem isn't specific people disliking her, it's the general belief that Hinamizawa dislikes her and if you go against that you're going against Oryo, and yet it's seemingly just not an issue in Matsuribayashi when you have people acting in public like that.

>Seeing Rika tazer Teppei and take care of it that easily only leaves a bitter taste in my mouth and make me look down on Rika as a character more knowing she could've solved it that easily in any of the previous fragments where she's taken.

She ends up bailed out by Keiichi and Akasaka there in the end anyway. Although I always thought this scenario was really badly planned in general (and Miotsukushi was just playing along with it). Even in Minagoroshi, Rika does say she attempted to face Teppei before but it just resulted in him torturing Satoko even more. But you'd think Teppei raising one hand to Rika would result in a mob attacking him, but somehow Hinamizawa's whole love for Rika and "Enemy of One is an Enemy of All" disappears when Teppei comes in.

>>47580324
>Says who? Who's the say he just didn't go there to hang out with his staff?
Like I pointed out, the whole "tons of meetings" stuff was about Miotsukushi specifically, not Taraimawashi or Tsukiotoshi, so arguing that he's going to the meetings and had no relation to its production is rather silly.

>This only works in my favor, since if Ryukishi really HAD intended on adding the lines about Satoko dying for Rika and being her reason to live he would've found a way to put it in Matsuribayashi

Or he didn't put them there because it wouldn't fit the story's theme? He outright claimed in Gou/Sotsu interviews he had the ideas behind the problems between Rika's and Satoko's relationship since the original and just didn't focus on them there because it didn't fit the theme of the story.

Like I said, even in Miotsukushi, the whole "darker side of Satoko" stuff comes out of nowhere and has nothing to do with the plot.

Also, R07 DID write Satoko talking about her greatest wish being living alongside Rika forever in Daybreak Mega (where he's credited for the script).

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>>47580359
>It doesn't take an essay to back a point up with proofs you know...
Lmao
What points do I need to back up? Unless you're a speedwatching retard who's only seen the anime I shouldn't have to go out of my way to explain why Satoko suddenly stating she's going to live FOR Rika now and suddenly becoming obsessed with her makes zero fucking sense since we don't seen a single HINT of this anywhere throughout the original VN. If anything it's Rika who's obsessed with Satoko often going on long tangents about how Satoko was the only thing keeping her sane and alive and how she want's to keep Satoko in a cage like a pet to herself forever. There is NOTHING in the story to suggest Satoko see's Rika more than anything other than a friend. So yes seeing this appear out of nowhere and Satoko say this is OOC for her to do.
>>Story is written by a different author/staff
>Kiichi Kanou was entrusted with writing Miotsukushi when Higurashi Matsuri began development
>>Story is written like a fan-fic
>every loose end wrapped up happily ever after and Mion getting a fuck ton of screentime and ship bait with keiichi
Now that I helped breakdown these points for you further like the ESL retard you are can you comprehend them or do you need me to translate them into whatever 3rd world language you speak?

Now as for your expanding ego I'd say your the sense of "insecurity" your senseing is no others than your own, I have nothing to be insecure about I love Satoko and I hate Miotskushi for the reasons stated I do not try to pretend my reasons for my hate are some profound and impactful discovery it is my love for Satoko that drives me forward. Your obsession with trying to sound smart and deep is ironically only making you look more like a neanderthal , get off the computer and tell your family you love them, believing that you're somehow intellectually supeuiror than others and that you have this whole world figured out will only work to make you more close minded, ignorant and retarded when you actually DO talk with someone about something you disagree with

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Ad hominen saturation attack
Then charge with the cudgel of "non canon" and the sword of "Satoko likes Rika"
With this you have finally vanquished the hated Miotsukushi!

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>>47580370

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>>47580395
That one bit of mischaracterized dialogue you're obsessed with isn't really a long tangent you know.
Is that the root of the root of your hate?

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>>47580370
>Satoko sees both Rika and Shion putting their lives on the line -for her- and accepts it rather than trying to take it upon herself. This is an even more serious situation than in previous arc which would leave her with a huge sense of guilty if they actually died in those moments, and yet she still lets them go.
What about this makes you think Satoko would risk either of their lives by putting herself at risk because she feels guilty? Satoko has been shown to risk her life and put aside any feelings of guilt and burdeness BEFORE Minagoroshi when the lives of the people she cares about are in trouble.
>Yeah, which wouldn't happen if the situation were like before. It's not like it was one villager by himself, they were in public with several people around and nothing negative comes out. Remember, the problem isn't specific people disliking her, it's the general belief that Hinamizawa dislikes her and if you go against that you're going against Oryo, and yet it's seemingly just not an issue in Matsuribayashi when you have people acting in public like that.
We saw some of the villagers who hate the Houjous only change their opinion on her after meeting Keiichi and him changing their minds, in a world where Oryo just says for them to stop ostracizing the Houjous does not mean that all Villagers will cease their feelings of hate towards the Houjous. And again we have no idea if it is or isn't an issue later down the line since the story ends around the festival.

>She ends up bailed out by Keiichi and Akasaka there in the end anyway. Although I always thought this scenario was really badly planned in general (and Miotsukushi was just playing along with it). Even in Minagoroshi, Rika does say she attempted to face Teppei before but it just resulted in him torturing Satoko even more. But you'd think Teppei raising one hand to Rika would result in a mob attacking him, but somehow Hinamizawa's whole love for Rika and "Enemy of One is an Enemy of All" disappears when Teppei comes in.
Still doesn't change that the teppei problem is dealed with that eailer and easily, but you're right about how everytime Rika talks about Teppei and how she stood up to him ONCE and he only beat Satoko more making her stop trying makes her sound like an awful shitty friend. She has the power to make the abuse stop and get rid of Teppei but she just doesn't try which only goes to make her look like a shitty friend.
>Like I pointed out, the whole "tons of meetings" stuff was about Miotsukushi specifically, not Taraimawashi or Tsukiotoshi, so arguing that he's going to the meetings and had no relation to its production is rather silly.
Silly or not it's possible, you hear about this all the time with the orignal creators coming to meetings about a new sequel or story only to have zero impact or say on the script made there.
>Or he didn't put them there because it wouldn't fit the story's theme? He outright claimed in Gou/Sotsu interviews he had the ideas behind the problems between Rika's and Satoko's relationship since the original and just didn't focus on them there because it didn't fit the theme of the story.
Meaning shit he made up after the original story had finished and he had worked on Umineko, if it was something he REALLY meant for Satoko to feel or think he would've included it in the finale of his story or in any future work released soon after Matsuriabayshi, instead he waits over 20 years to release a shit anime he only gave the bare ideas to the anime studio to work with and then fucked off. and honestly for all we know he could just be lying saw how much money he could make off yuri bucks and decided to add it in Gou.
>Like I said, even in Miotsukushi, the whole "darker side of Satoko" stuff comes out of nowhere and has nothing to do with the plot.
Stuff that could've been added by the different author with no way of knowing if it was from ryukishi cut content
>Also, R07 DID write Satoko talking about her greatest wish being living alongside Rika forever in Daybreak Mega (where he's credited for the script).
Any of this proof for this so called exchange between them in this fighting game spin-off made after the original 8 VN's? Also this is the same Ryukishi who wrote a manga where Satoko was clearly shown worried sick about Keiichi and blushing to no end holding his end written by Ryukishi himself?

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>>47580408
>>47580416
>replied twice
Just take the L and go home

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>>47580444
>my brute force argument didn't work so please leave

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>>47580461
>I just said ad hominen again instead of responding why is my computer not saying I'm winning mommy?

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>>47580467
But that's all you did. Shipping obsessed loser. All you did is put your insecurity center stage, you hate Miotsukushi because Satoko likes Rika and you can't admit it.

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But of course I understand that.
I'd die for Rika too.
It's the psycho yandere stuff in Gou that goes into stupid territory.
But wanting to fight and lay your life on the line for your friends, is that not what Higurashi is all about?

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>>47580483
Look at that your grammar is breaking down now!
Anyway if you could read english you'd know I hate Miotsukushi for how OOC the characters are and of course Satoko see's rika as a good friend but there's only ever gonna be ONE person she loves most as proven canon thanks to Tatarigoroshi :)

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Love is powah!

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Folks that's all that matters to the psycho
>>47580370
His in brain calculation is all really about whether something can help his ship or not. That's all that it comes down to in the end.

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>>47580437
>What about this makes you think Satoko would risk either of their lives by putting herself at risk because she feels guilty?
It's the other way around. She's accepting them placing themselves in danger (when Shion stays behind to face the mountain dogs by herself with Kasai and later when Rika decides to give up and let them take her), and she'd certainly feel they're doing that for the others including her (which is why you get the whole "nee-nee" scene with Shion for example) and yet she isn't trying to take all the burden/responsibility to herself.

>does not mean that all Villagers will cease their feelings of hate towards the Houjous.
The problem always was people thought they had to hate her due to their public image. At least that's what Minagoroshi tries to sell.

>Any of this proof for this so called exchange between them in this fighting game spin-off made after the original 8 VN's?

https://youtu.be/WS38NyFZ-Es?si=AF10e3iKm72-6Ch6&t=114 [Embed]

There used to be a video with the full story, but I couldn't find it. Either way, this is the relevant moment.

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Ciconia daybreak when?

>>47580524
>It's the other way around. She's accepting them placing themselves in danger (when Shion stays behind to face the mountain dogs by herself with Kasai and later when Rika decides to give up and let them take her), and she'd certainly feel they're doing that for the others including her (which is why you get the whole "nee-nee" scene with Shion for example) and yet she isn't trying to take all the burden/responsibility to herself.
I mean in either of these situations Satoko doesn't have a choice, Shion is staying behind to buy the GROUP more time and Satoko knows Keiichi and Rika wouldn't allow her to stay behind as well plus she knows there isn't really anything she can do being there with Shion alongside being unable to stop Rika. If she did or didn't remember her lessons from Minagoroshi I doubt it would affect her actions in Matsuribayashi at all.
>The problem always was people thought they had to hate her due to their public image. At least that's what Minagoroshi tries to sell.
The head seniors might not hate Satoko but I'm sure some other villagers do or they might not we don't know for sure, as the certain confirmation that the villagers fought for Satoko in Minagoroshi is gone all we left with is the idea that maybe all the villagers don't hate Satoko after all or maybe some do
>There used to be a video with the full story, but I couldn't find it. Either way, this is the relevant moment.

I don't speak Japanese and I can't translate this, I know this is a dirty move but for all I know you could be lying about what's being said here but another argument I'll use is that Daybreak is very much played as for laughs with some endings having Irie and chie together and such, Ryukishi also wrote the kira series but it isn't seen as something meant to be taken seriously. It's just nothing more than fanserivce is all

>>47567463 (OP)
i like boobies

>>47580589
I like butts.

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hey /jp/ friends i saw this funny meme on reddit and i thought you guys might like it ^___^

>>47580997
bro you just can't steal memes like that

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>>47581001
well it would be kind of a waste of my high thieving stat if i didnt

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>>47580997
Bring back something nice and sexy and erotic next time, okay?

>>47580162
Sorry, I'm waiting on the evidence of Ryukishi calling the Abridged inflation doujinshi first.

>>47580543
When Hackysi07 grow a pair (with pain) with the "hate war themes in a plot" shitty idelology, so fucking never.

>>47580114
>Miotsukishi for being god awful fan-fic that makes characters act OOC
If it had a few chapters devoted specifically to the interaction between Satoko and K1, your tone would sound very different. If God forbid Satoko actually said something about loving K1, you'd use that more often than that one poorly translated image from the end of Tatarigoroshi.
>I can hate Miotsukishi, Gou, and Umineko all at the same time for it being horribly written garbage.
You know, I could totally understand your potential anger towards an infamous manga fanfiction (Kimigabuchi), which leads me to ask, what words would you use to describe that gem when something as innocent as Miotsukushi drives you crazy?
>Despite how lackluster and shit Matsuribayashi is it's written by an author who has a clear vison and ending in mind for his story
This is really sad if you really believe it, but I guess you hate Saikoroshi too. Even more so if, by your own words, much of his other work is horribly written garbage. No need to put him on a pedestal of genius, as an author with a clear vision that he follows from start to finish. Especially when we all know he was pretty much influenced by interactions with fans and their theories or had no problem rewriting entire planned passages. He's always been the hack who was previously held back from stupid ideas by people like BT. If you feel the need to protect R07 image and attribute everything bad from twenty years ago to Kiichi Kanou because the possibility that his ideas were based on R07's consultation and unused material seems unthinkable or unprovable to you, there is nothing that will change your stubborn opinion.

By the way, when will Reiwa become horribly written garbage too?

>>47581702
Miotsushitty has segment dedicated to Satoko and Keiichi >>47574059
>buh it's not shitty poorly written fanfiction because it supports my ship

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When I look at a beautiful, clear blue sky, I think of Rika.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHVwZ13jMHQ [Embed]

(Though she herself likes rain and thunder because of it's unpredictable nature, that's good too)

>>47581702
>If it had a few chapters devoted specifically to the interaction between Satoko and K1, your tone would sound very different
That's it? After all the talk? Your argument was "I like this fanfiction because it supports my headcanon" "BUT if you were in my shoes you would (according to your unintelligent rage that is) do the same as me"?
>one poorly translated image from the end of Tatarigoroshi.
I'll take cope for 200, Steve.
>>I can hate Miotsukishi, Gou, and Umineko all at the same time for it being horribly written garbage.
>Miotsukishi drives you crazy?
It seems to me the fact that the entire fanbase correctly considers console arcs fanfiction drives you crazy. You'll find out most people don't even care it exists and rightly mock those who do.
>the possibility that his ideas were based on R07's consultation and unused material seems unthinkable or unprovable to you, there is nothing that will change your stubborn opinion.
If that's the golden truth you want to live with, so be it. Might as well argue about Ryukishi's consultation with rifyu for his Umineko comics.
>By the way, when will Reiwa become horribly written garbage too?
I don't have a crystal ball.

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Let go of hatred and be saved

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Canon friendship is such a beautiful thing

>>47581848
I guess that's why Rika never gets saved

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>>47581877
You're just babbling wishful thinking now?

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>>47581870
Meguri was written by Tomato, Ryukishi wrote this (canon)

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>>47581906
I'm pretty sure they both had the same level of Ryu involvement (basic plot outline)

>>47581885
I guess they never teach how the present simple works in african schools.

>>47581913
The claim that Ryukishi didn't even write the Sotsu finale is pretty funny

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Who cares about the nonsense.
Post good things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pPxxk_g-lw [Embed]

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More importantly, Rika

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The lost are always hateful. Fill your soul with love.

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His hate doesn't let him see that pictures of Rika's martyrdom are holy. It's her holy struggle that makes us love her.

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demolished

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Read the VN! It doesn't stop on chapter 3!

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>>47582739
Nice panty shot

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Yeah you've never struggled in your life.
Of course you'd be more drawn to the damsel yellow, instead of the blue struggler.

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Rika's entire character is someone who never struggled in her life though, the villagers give all kind of things of her like a princess. Hours of VN text went on on how Rika always took the easy path in life without struggling, only waiting for a miracle without working for it.
Fake Rikafans who claim she is a struggler hate Rika
Cheesy posters love Rika

>>47582859
And I'm sure Rika would agree with this post too. Rika would absolutely hate the fake Rikafans who are unable to comprehend her character, while she'd find the way her rat ears are depicted are really cute.

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Rika consistently fights and dies in horrible ways. This is the struggler's path. Across countless worlds she searched. At the end when she was about to give up hope, she was uplifted by K1's words and kept up the fight, until she found what she was looking for in Matsuri.
She is absolutely the struggler more than anyone, as the one who looked for the answer longer than anyone, and died more than anyone.

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Going all the way back to "Don't worry about the mean dogs. I'll protect the cat"
She's thrust herself into danger. The mentality of rolling the dice means to roll the boulder up the hill and die a horrible way when you throw yourself off the ledge. Until she found the method of rolling that boulder to heaven, she was Sisyphus.

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>>47582893
>>47582915
Damn, I guess Rika always kept the same attitude and never changed in Mina and Matsuri, and she just happened to be lucky that one time.
You don't like Rika.

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>>47582966
You're too wrapped up in self righteous irony I don't see what your point is there.

>>47582859
you post a cute rika picture? thanks?
>>47582966
hello satokofan

>>47582981
No problem, her rat ears look really cute, I'll commission Gaou for more.
>>47582974
>I don't see what your point is there.
Oh, we can tell.

>>47582994
>he commissions gaou for rika
lol he does it for free, shitokorat

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>>47583007
It's obviously a samefag lie.

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So why is the heckler so pissed at Rika this time?

>>47583019
He hates Rika for some reason and calls her a struggler.

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Rika is the struggler for sure. The psycho tries to deny it, but she's been fighting for the truth all along.

>>47583052
You hate Rika.
If Rika had been doing the same thing since the beginning you are claiming she just got lucky in Matsuribayashi. You are denying she ever grew as a person and changed her attitude.
Fake Rika fan.

>>47583072
nice schizo obsession lies, read more than 3 chapters

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>>47583072
Trying to twist my words.
I said she'd been struggling, like Sisyphus, rolling the boulder up and down over and over, like when she fought with Shion she would face death and pain over and over.
Rika obviously came to realize the strength of her bonds with her friends, and relied on them, and decided to plant her feet on the Tsumihoroboshi kakera, and not give up on it regardless of how bleak the situation looked. The difference here is it takes a struggler to roll the dice over and over, it takes an enlightened Rika to say "this dice will be all 6, because I choose it to be"

>>47583095
You hate Rika.
>>47583101
Rika giving up all the time and not putting on effort before Minagoroshi is an integral part of her character. Read Higurashi before posting here.

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>>47583146
I guess we're at the point where you just ignore what I say and pretend I said something else.

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Not that I expect any different.

>>47583160
Although I don't deny managing to loop and suffer for that long is no easy feat, Rika is not a struggler by her own admission, by Hanyuu's admission, and by the narrator's admission. Rika does the absolutely bare minimum and then gives up.

rika is an elite and you should bow down before elites

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>>47583004

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is he a bot i think he is

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>>47583232
By the end anyway, after a very long hard struggle. And she still went to confront the torture girl in that state.

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The girl who lost her marble in the desert. I want to help her, ease her burden.

>>47583264
She confronted Shion because in the previous kakera she didn't and Shion tortured. Read fake Rikafan, read.
>>47583264
By her own admission Rika arrived at her last loop because she "took it easy", especially in her earlier poops, and spend most of her time just hoping for a miracle

>>47583303
tortured her*
loops*
lol

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>>47582739
Funny set.
>the weak should fear the strong

>>47581755
>segment
I didn't say it didn't have it.
>it's not shitty poorly written fanfiction because it supports my ship
I'm not the one obsessed with relationships in this discussion, but I understand that any effort to prove it is pointless in this environment.
>>47581811
>Your argument was "I like this fanfiction because it supports my headcanon"
No, it wasn't, but now I'm very curious, what do you think my headcannon is? Yes, I confess, I want to laugh at your exuberant imagination.
>It seems to me the fact that the entire fanbase correctly considers console arcs fanfiction drives you crazy. You'll find out most people don't even care it exists and rightly mock those who do.
I kind of see no reason at all to be bothered by any of this, whether it's true or not, based on anything I've said, but come on, your logic is truly incredible. I just hope Kimigabuchi didn't break you down too much.
>I don't have a crystal ball.
So you haven't read enough to determine that? That's funny.
>I'll take cope for 200, Steve.
No argument. I accept your concession.

Also the funniest thing to me is that you are so stupid to think that if Satoko actually said "I love you K1" that I would have a problem with it.

>>47584018
>Yes, I confess, I want to laugh at your exuberant imagination.
I appreciate being considered an intriguing person, but I don't reciprocate, so I feel no need to try to infer what your head canon is.
>your logic is truly incredible
Thank you very much.
>So you haven't read enough to determine that?
Unfortunately reading enough to accurately predict future events beyond conjectures is an ability residing within the realm of science fiction.
>No argument.
I could tell.

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>>47584414
>I feel no need to try to infer what your head canon is.
On the other hand, your headcanon is more than clear.
>Thank you very much.
You see, it is possible without insults and swearing.
>Unfortunately reading enough to accurately predict future events beyond conjectures is an ability residing within the realm of science fiction.
Sorry to hear that theorycrafting isn't your forte. At least we know you still don't think of Reiwa as horribly written garbage and still hold out hope after everything that happened in it.
>I could tell.
I feel your pain. I will pray for a happy ending for Satoko.

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Rika. The frog that climbs the well, finds another well.

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We'll keep on climbing out to see what's on the other side! Even if it's another well!

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And you were happy.
Because you didn't know what occurred outside the well.

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Mion

>>47586301
formerly Shion

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>>47587882
nii

pah~

New wtc coming. "When the goats cry",
Each individual passage in the story will be given a rating from 1-100 indicating how reliable it is from 7 different sources, each of whom also have their own reliability rating.

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>>47588390
OK but you realize the more """reliable""" a story is the less I'm going to trust it.

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>>47588390
We also include how reliable each source considers the other 6, and how reliable each character, the narrator, and also the author considers each source. Those are separate ratings from each source's base reliability rating, which is graded by a "panel of experts," whose identities remain permanently anonymous. The base reliability rating also factors into how each other score is weighted, but said calculations are kept secret for trade reasons.

With all of that out of the way, let's write a mystery!

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1 day until Rika's birthday.

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>>47588691
Or sooner, going by JST

>>47588691
Thanks ryko

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What kind of world lies outside of the well?
Is it something that is worth struggling for?

What kind of world lies outside of the well?
Is it something so attractive enough to fall and try over and over again?

What kind of world lies outside of the well?
Let's enjoy taking the pains of finding that out.

If I reach the world that yearn for, it must be a spectacular world.
Even if that world was another pit inside a well.

>>47588887
No problem, I wouldn't want you to miss your favourite character's birthday.

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The girl lost her marble in the desert
And I too, wish to search that desert with you. If only to keep you company.

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Perhaps it was lost in the sea?
I'll comb the seas with you. So do not worry.

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Our beloved Rika
Walk the path of the savior
Walk the path of the struggler

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The marble is your heart

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2wt-SlkAcU [Embed]

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Quiet thread

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Freedom

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that anti rika fag(larping as erika and shitokei) has no value in life

>>47589171
kill yourself for feeding him by making it look like you're that guy he's trying to excuse every rikafag of

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>>47589920
Don't fall for samefag!

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>>47589944
You play any Daybreak lately? I like to fuck around in it a bit on her birthday.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMHmqf2PDYQ [Embed]

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>>47590018
daybreak confused me when i first time booted it up. from a local rikafag who taught me about emu games in here for the first time in my life.

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>>47590012
Paranoid schizophrenia is real.

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>>47590049
That was me. I showed you the PSP version cause it had more stuff, but yeah going through JP menus might be confusing.
This is a PC alternate
https://doujinstyle.com/?p=page&type=2&id=766
https://freegamestorage.blogspot.com/2012/07/free-download-game-higurashi-daybreak.html
(double check the links cause I just grabbed them from google)

Then you can fan translate it.
https://nightfight3gaming.wixsite.com/daybreaktranslation

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Or whatever.
I don't know if it changes too much. I've never actually tried the PC version and was thinking of doing so now.

>>47590080
nice to see those things! it's been a long run heh? well cool didn't know someone translated daybreak since then, is it a mod translation?

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>>47590102
I guess it's a mod. The site is right there.
They're still not completely done. Though I believe my favorite, Rika/Rena team up story is translated.

this is a rika general! but some local spergs don't accept the fact and try to shitfling at us!

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Why are there so many of these?

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>>47590169
Everyone is free to post whatever. I welcome any good posters about anything. But the demon of hate spewed so much venom that the umifags left on an ark.

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>>47590222
>demon
what is he a smt demon? lol

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>>47590222
Don't call Rika a venom of hate, it's not her fault if her discord fans act like this

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>>47590271
Careful now. You misquoted you're so angry.

>>47590271
i can confirmed i am not from shitcord and it seems like you keep on mentioning it as if it has a lot of meaning for you.