>>270101060 (OP)
The most milquetoast, common sense opinions ever stated. Yoshiyuki Tomino is the only anime industry guy with interviews worth reading.

>>270101060 (OP)
He's basically right. But it is a very conventional view that doesn't say anything people don't already think.
Americans, at least those that can pay to produce animation, just aren't capable of handling animation with any sense of the seriousness that it deserves. And the rare times that a good cartoon makes it through, like "Primal", it is a miracle, rather than the expectation.
Like anime doesn't have to be dour or gritty or whatever, but it has to be made and funded by people that take what they're doing seriously and respect the potential in the art form even if not every work achieves it.
You just don't have that in the US. Even if the artists have that respect, no one on the production side does. Shows like "She-Ra: The Princess of Power", have to bob between being 'just another cartoon' and doing interesting stuff.

>>270101523
>Yoshiyuki Tomino is the only anime industry guy with interviews worth reading.
Tbh those lately got boring as well.

>>270101060 (OP)
Based and right but it should include more than animu.

>>270101060 (OP)
That's what /a/ has been saying since 2006 so no shit. We all know that.

>>270101632
>Primal
I don't understand the appeal. I dropped it after ep 1.

>>270101060 (OP)
Red hood aithor? I thought he liked western

>>270101757
He does say Japanese media.

>>270101854
Primal isn't good, it just exists in a space where people who have been waiting for years for the west to animate something that wasn't a fart joke for kids or a fart joke for adults to point at and scream "Look, mom, I TOLD YOU cartoons were kino!" It seems better than it is because it has fucking zero competition in american animation for whats its trying to do.

>>270101060 (OP)
These culture wars are so stupid

>>270103011
Culture wars are essential and have been a thing on /a/ since before you've joined.

>>270102939
Primal is good but not great. In a sea of shit good becomes amazing to people who forgot what great is.
>>270103059
Yeah but /a/ vs Gaia Online was a war that at least ended conclusively. We lost

>>270101060 (OP)
>praises Slopkai for portraying Japanese culture and traditions lol
lol
>Miyazaki influenced western artists
Miyazaki was especially influenced to large degree by the west.
He is certainly a retard that doesn't know what he is talking about.

>>270103648
>Miyazaki was especially influenced to large degree by the west.
And? He has influence hundreds if not thousands of western artists.

>>270103700
Yes, and that is exactly why his take about anime needing to be insular is stupid.
All the greats like Miyazaki, Go Nagai or Tezuka were taking inspiration from both Japan and outside. And in general anime used to take lot more risks in the past and actually experiment. Hell it used to do it in 2000s still.
Anime right now is insular. It is too set in certain perceptions on how to do things, tropes and in general takes much less risks. So if anything insularity is what lead to this stagnation.

>>270101060 (OP)
So this kind of stuff is why the anti-japan propaganda threads have been crazy lately.

>>270103894
theres nothing to be inspired from the west now that its all trannoids and nogs tho
your gaslighting is pathetic

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>>270103894
The quoted part of the interview in the OP literally states taking inspiration from outside Japan was fine. READ nigga READ.

>>270103951
>west only exists now
Go kill yourself dumbass tourist.
We could have gotten more adaptations of classical literature just like in the past.

>>270101060 (OP)
Correct.
The only good things to possibly come from cross-cultural pollination is better cartoons, and more money in the industry, but the risks to anime far outweigh the benefits.

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>>270104004
mmm yes literature.....

>>270103957
Yes, but then he still claims to want insularity. Which is contradictory to taking inspiration from outside.

>>270103894
Idk. There are still are originals that go for interesting stuff here and there. Most 90s ovas were copying from each other as well and were using the same tropes and I disagree with literature adaptations. Anime book adaptations are largely garbage. I’d much rather see more originals with interesting ideas.

>>270101854
Primal is okay. I really like Genndy’s aesthetic sensibilities and his eye as a director but his projects never really come together in all aspects (usually character and narrative). Pre-S5 Samurai Jack is the closest, with S5 almost but not quite bringing it home.

>>270103894
My favorite manga are all Samurai manga that take inspiration only from jap novels and cultutre tourist kun.

>>270101060 (OP)
ok, stop talking and just do it.

>>270101060 (OP)
He's correct

Cultural protectionism should be codified into law. Put restrictions on foreign money and projects for the sake of Japan’s cultural exports.

>>270104041
Are you illiterate or retarded? He saus that he doesn’t want western companies to try to influence anime you absolute mongoloid.

>>270101060 (OP)
based

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>>270101060 (OP)
>>The massive popularity of an artist like Makoto Shinkai whose work is completely devoted to depicting modern Japanese society, culture, traditions makes it very clear to me that that's the main appeal. Not a bonus.
fucking KEK what this guy's literal entire filmography from his very first short film onward is virgin daydream cum at the thought of a girl hugging him fantasy. Why in the hell would you prop this utter loser up as the face of Japanese storytelling?

The history of every burgeoning animation industry in the world has been attempting and usually failing to grow under the dominating pressure of the US. Japan was almost subject to the same fate, but thankfully it had matured enough in wartime to grab a foothold, and licensing costs of American programming was high enough that domestic productions could undercut the competition when TVs were first becoming widespread in Japan.
Anime is a miracle, an exception to world animation, and as always the only way it can continue to survive is to keep itself at a healthy distance from the Hollywood machine.

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>>270103648
>director
>writer
>novelist
>animator
>editor
>executive producer
>lecturer
>visual arts teacher
>has a masters degree in japanese language and literature
>former video game producer and marketing director
>made his 1st film entirely by himself
>wrote the best-selling japanese novel in decades
>directed, edited and wrote the highest-grossing original Japanese film of all time
>last remaining auteur in the anime industry
>only anime director with 2 entries in the Top 4 highest-grossing Japanese films of all time
>voice actor
>manga artist
>illustrator
>businessman
>best-selling author
>multimillionaire
>independent creator
>industry consultant
>marketing director
>composer
>lyricist
>songwriter
>screenwriter
>producer
>auditioner
>acting coach
>storyboard artist
>background artist
>professional photographer
>cinematographer
>3DCG animator and designer
>director of art
>director of sound
>director of photography
>director of animation
>director of vfx
>digital painter
>graphic designer
>character designer
>sound designer
>color designer
>web designer
>music video producer
>music video director
>philanthropist
>diplomat
>curator
>otaku
>film critic
>columnist
>good-looking
>charismatic
>bequeathed family's construction empire to little brother to fully focus on anime
>Apple's poster boy in Japan
>has an asteroid named after him
>the artist most plagiarized by generative AI since its inception
>only 3rd anime director to be honored by the Academy Museum
>director of music and visual production for the Planetarium and Space Theater of Omiya
>owns all of his works
>married to a retired actress and tv producer
>little daughter is already a child actress, voice actress, dancer and singer (amazing genes)
>will still make at least 7 more feature films before retiring
>will likely end his career as the most successful Japanese director of all time at the box-office
The most talented Japanese man in history.

I agree but for a different reason.
I just don't want western brainrot to infect japanese culture with all the pronouns, trannies, communism, puritanism and other bullshit.

>>270104557
>posting touhou trash
Kys moeshitter.

>>270101523
>The most milquetoast, common sense opinions ever stated
I certainly hope its common sense

>the biggest appeal is how different it is
So lets never bother learning from the masters and making better stories, its all about being quirky and different!

>>270104557
What do you mean? He's the Board Chairman of Shinkai's studio. And Shinkai is the #1 anime director nowadays.

>>270104691
>the masters
Like Michael Bay?

>>270104691
The west has to learn from the nips considering they haven’t produced an animated series that even touches cowboy bebop.

>>270104691
>Masters
Your masters shat the bed with all the "progressive" crap. Now nobody wants western culture because all of their traditional values were destroyed. See Disney

>>270104691
At this point in time there is little the western animation industry could teach the Japanese industry that is valuable. If anything, the reverse should take place.

>>270104691
but enough about (((westoid))) le subversive goyslop

>>270104661
Common sense is only common amongst man, not sheep.

>>270104041
He doesn't want to the sort of industries that the West has fostered to be ported over to Japan.

>>270104026
Women just love rape too much. That's also true for Asian women.

>>270104691
>We're not talking about a Japanese creator consuming Western media, being influenced by it and then offering his own vision from a Japanese perspective. That's totally fine. The opposite is also true. Lots of Western creators have been influenced by Japanese legends like Hayao Miyazaki.
>But when Western companies and Western influence groups start trying to influence the creative process directly, that's when I think it starts becoming detrimental to the core of what Japanese media really is.
Dumb motherfucker can't even read.

>>270101060 (OP)
He had me until Makoto Shinkai kek
But I agree the first part nonetheless

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>>270101060 (OP)
I say go one step futher
Completely disregard the modern american audience and keep dub/sub companies making official shit under a very tight leash and terminate employment immediately any employee caught using politically charged words and not sticking to the Japanese script.
I dont care if it's too harsh

>>270104691
There are no western "masters" these days.
All the actual western masters are dead or senile.

>>270101060 (OP)
I wonder what are the cases of "Western companies and Western influence groups trying to influence the creative process directly" he's talking about. People keep repeating Netflix and Disney have no influence but I guess that's not so true anymore after all? Then again even without those two meddling, even I heard things. A few years ago an exec of Sirius the Jaeger admitted he was trying to make anime designed to appeal to western audiences. How common is that, really? I can think of a few anime which look like they could share that aim. You also have the new Grandizer which is basically an ad for Saudi Arabia. There were also the Star Wars Vision experiments. Though maybe it's unfair to bring them up because Disney reportedly left the studios to do their own thing and it's not like japanese culture is a stranger to SW.
There's definitely more pressure from international forces on japanese animation to cater to them than there used to be at the very least.

>>270104026
>Marian Engel's Bear
This novel could easily be adapted into an ero-gekiga, the genders of the bear and woman need to be flipped. The bear also needs a big pair of flappy brown pancake tits and dick-sucking lips. The man, rather than being an archivist, can be a hiker trying to build a spiritual connection with the natural world but ends up meeting a bear that walks only on its hind legs.

>>270101060 (OP)
We have been saying this shit for years.
We didn't gatekeep hard enough it seems.

>>270105400
So the real issue isnt
>muh culture is being diluted by western influence
But rather
>late stage capitalism

>>270104026
>>270105361
What does erotic literature have to do with classical literature? Each nation is different; that's just Canada being Canada.

>notices western entertainment media is in decline on the whole due to corporate meddling
>realizes maybe it would be a poor idea to follow the same path when it'll end up in the same place
he's a smart cookie

I'd be more concerned about the decline of manga, death of VN and the rise of foreign made gacha games and manhwa's growing popularity with zoomers.

>>270107184
>>270107536
Good posts

>>270105899
it's an issue of western entertainment being so dogshit that even normalfags who always froth @ the mouth regarding "MUH SEXY TEENAGERS!!! !" are partaking in this medium. solely because most anime is done for the viewer's entertainment, not to lecture & look down upon them. if they could keep watching slop like rick&morty without being subjected to sjw garbage they would keep doing that while looking down on "weeaboo losers".

>>270107890
Well Japan needs to realize that a lot of these fuckers are worthless customers.

>>270107184
I don't think that's 100% true. It's definitely in decline creatively, but it can still make huge record breaking hits like Avatar 2 and Inside Out 2 very recently.

>>270103648
>>270103894
>>270104041
Western CORPORATE influence you blind retard. Miyazaki's films are made from a Japanese perspective for a Japanese audience even with the inspirations he took from the West.

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>>270101060 (OP)
>but not Chinese
>or Koreans

You see, he wouldn't dare bite the hand that feeds.

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>>270101060 (OP)
>Asian creativity
>not Japanese creativity

Interesting choice of words.
Never knew the Japanese cared about being Asian and not instead caring about being Japanese.

I'm all for pro-Japanese shit, but at least ostracise all foreigners equally.
Otherwise you're just a CCP shill.

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Also I think western animators should also ignore western corporate interests.
There's a reason CDPR used Trigger.

Western animation sucks. Hasn't been decent since the 90s with peak Disney.

>>270108951
Disney was already in decline by the 90s

>>270108798
>>270108887
It's almost as if Asians have a lot in common and more similar cultures.

>>270108798
>>270108887
Not a single whitoid/european would have this mentality, so why do you expect Asians to?

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>>270108992
Arguably since the 70s.
But 90s was a freak resurgence of quality.
They were even commenting how things were declining in the industry in their literal movies by Atlantis.

I never got this as a kid, but after rewatching I can see that people really didn't like what Tarzan was doing to animation in the west. Or what things like Shrek turned animation into.

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>>270109029
It's almost like the CCP doesn't want them to be Japanese and will indoctrinate them into being pro CCP.

I mean fuck Europe and America, but clearly there's a bigger fish that even miHoYo are unhappy about and they are literally CCP lobbyists nowadays (because they're annoyed with what they're doing to media in China I guess?).

I think ALL corporate interests really should be ignored because they're, ironically, not profitable. They're run by middle managers and state actors that simply don't allow them to be managed correctly.

So you end up with slop.
The thing killing corporations and their taste/interests is their own internal greed, lack of competence and general corruption.
This is universal.

>>270109317
The West literally wants to genocide the Japanese race through immigration.

why do (americans) ruin and destroy everything

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>>270101854
>Primal
Primal ??

>>270109444
So does Japan and China nowadays because corporations require open borders and cash flows.
Then again, any state is inevitably going to seek expansion in order to consolidate risk. It's the nature of societies in general.

So it's a catch 22 really.

>>270109317
>CCP doesn't want them to be Japanese
Except that modern chinese young adults novels, comics and cartoons are often just copying off Japanese LNs, manga etc. Hell, fucking mihoyo release their games with Japanese names because they know people think Genshin is cooler than Yuan Shen. Even their xianxia stuff are just them taking isekai LNs and putting their own spin.

>>270109821
>Hell, fucking mihoyo release their games with Japanese names because they know people think Genshin is cooler than Yuan Shen
Yeah but China probably didn't try half of that shit until Mihoyo brought it.
Which is probably why Mihoyo must be getting annoyed with CCP niggles on content.

China has the same problem as the west with lack of freedom for content. Japan has been lucky, though even it has had issues since at least 2011 with censorship.

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>>270108887
You’re a retard, the shared cultural heritage of far east Asia isn’t in any contention even by the orientals themselves.

>>270101854
i liked it because it was something like a Conan origin story until it completely shit the bed in the second season.
Also, Kawaguchi is spot-on.

>>270109958
>Yeah but China probably didn't try half of that shit until Mihoyo brought it.
That is not true. All those xianxia novels etc aping Japanese media were around way before that. Probably why devs like mihoyo decided to get into it as well.

>>270103894
>Tropes
Westoid detected
Twitter tranny detected
Redditor detected
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Concession accepted
You may now leave

>>270109958
>Yeah but China probably didn't try half of that shit until Mihoyo brought it.
Just a quick bit of common fucking sense: whenever something has a budget of $100m, it's probably primarily iterating on things that have already worked well rather than venturing too far into risky territory.

Isolated Japan turns out isekai slop

>>270110223
I mean there's probably some of that. According to Russians they got shit all the time during the cold war despite protocols because it just wasn't enforced.

But that was in the past.
Modern China isn't cold war China. It's a technocracy.
So Mihoyo probably just were raised in a better time when they had access to things.
Not in a post-covid China when they still repress information about the literal race of people they are genociding in western China.

>which btw is still happening
>yet the media is suddenly hush on it

>>270110473
Enough about rom com slice of life slop

Who let the /dbs/posters out of their cages?

>>270110464
Not Mihoyo, kek. They invested in crazy shit after Genshin. Sure they're still making that stufff, but they're also venturing heavy into technology and shit because there's clearly a power struggle in China.

I heard something along the lines of competing communist factions and organisations in different regions. Similar to how the Democrats and Republicans target things, though way more heavy. More like genuine cartels.

So Mihoyo, with substantial money, are probably dabbling in that game now. The technocratic game of thrones in China.

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>>270101060 (OP)
Sir, i don't know what you are a candidate for, but you may have my vote

>>270104041
You are actually illiterate.
I have nothing further to say because you wouldn't understand it anyway.

>>270105923
>going from one progressive talking point to another

>>270108433
It's hard to say. "Record breaking hits" but at a time when most of the western market is starved for entertainment due to the terrible state of the world/economy + having little other options

>>270110473
And thus Japan numbah ichi

Why do chuds hate the west so much

>>270108798
>>270108887
>>270109317
The difference is the worst China does is censor some things when an anime or other media is brought over to China. Western companies are trying to infiltrate the industry and impose their will onto it.

>>270110473
As opposed to what? Capeshit?

>>270105840
Westoids don't know what gekiga is
And yes I'm talking about you you dumbfuck

I wish the IRON WALL was still a thing for Japanese media.
Looking back I hated being called a faggot and loser by everyone for liking pokemon, one piece, snk and so on but the people who also liked it really did.
I think the issue with alot of these post covid anim/manga fans is that they're consumers, they devour one thing and then move onto the next. But when they don't like how something tastes they scream and cry about it until the chef changes the ingredients to shut them up.
Eventually they eat the whole table and then take a massive nasty shit leaving only the bad parts of the meal behind for everyone after them to eat. Then they move onto the next table and do the same over and over again.
There's a reason capeshit, cartoons, star wars, California and so on are dog shit.
But the faggots how caused realize it's dog shit and then move over to the next thing and then begin to ruin it too. It's a never ending cycle.
And the only way to fix it is gate keeping, and real gate keeping. No this secret club bullshit you faggots try to do but actual gate keeping like the old days.

>>270113326
Retard

>>270101523
You say that as if common sense is not a minority opinion now.

>>270101060 (OP)
>I think the anime industry should be more or less insulated from Western corporate influence.
All of my yes please. Western corpos are flat out retarded, they should have zero say in Japanese art and media. Especially considering Hollywood's track record of producing shit.

>>270105840
>the genders of the bear and woman need to be flipped
No. This derangement shouldn't be spread to men as well.

>>270107536
Manga is doing just fine, try reading anything other than wsj for once in your life.

>>270115578
Manga is over. Last good manga came out in 2008.