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>>47456909
Peace will come to these threads

>>47456909
You wish at this point and timeline...

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Rika-chama lights the way

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Today it's happy birthday Akasaka

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7th for sex with ojiisans

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Please be happy. Nipah~

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Gotta love usagi

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Sex with Dlanor.

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Nigger obsessed with making ops

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Make a better rika op next time or threads will die

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Non-sequitor, see? Repeat the mantra and protect the illusion.
>my ship is fine! my ship is fine!
It was in fact not fine... but we mustn't look at the truth.

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Kchan is getting very close to his girl Rena?

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>>47459060
Better KILL MYSELF lol
Like stinker like stinkfag as they say

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There are more of them

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They won

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Teppei will avenge Rika-chama

>>47459650
Pig.

>>47459650
Slava Ukraini

>>47459650
ange porkchops or ange pork ribs?

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>>47459713
Dibs on the pork rotters

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This thing's attempt at humour is so pitiful

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>>47459650
Thread is saved

This thread has almost nothing to do with Higurashi, Umineko, or anything 07th has ever produced. It's just weird ramblings about people who post in it and shipping. Most of it seemingly ironic, or at least there's a clear divide between people taking such discussions seriously, and people here to troll.
> t. newfag
did I get everything right?

>>47460013
It's been like this ever since sotsugou brought retards like the satokei sperg

>>47460013
it used to but the only people left are terminally bored mentally ill or both

if you want to talk about umineko or something go for it.

also, r07 released ciconiashit and then hasn't made anything interesting for ages

>>47460049
>>47460038
Honestly I only like Higurashi, I'm glad there's people who seemingly like it as much as I do but there's no way I can keep up with this level of obsession.

>>47460038
obsessed with imaginary bogymen award

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>>47460882 →

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Hes not real he doesnt hear my prayers about get ridding of the miasma

>>47461040
>[post hidden]

you're already dead. this is hell.

>>47461165
Dude don't spoil Ciconia for me

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"Speaks in germany*

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Fuck

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>>47461446
why is enje sad today?

>>47461828
she fugly

>>47461828
They are making barbecue

>>47461828
There is never a reason for ange to not be sad in these threads.

An(g)us

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>new rikabutt hasn't been posted yet
unbelievable

>>47463012
sweet Sayo

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What would Castiglioni think of her offsprings?

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>>47456903 (OP)
why did she do it

>>47463786
Do what?

>>47463759
I'm more interested what she would do to Kinzo when she finds out what he did to their daughter

>>47464000
Spaghetti Beato was kind of shady herself, helping Kinzo cheat on his wife and family. She didn't have a whole lot of options, but it was still a bit questionable.

>>47464084
Can't say I blame Kinzo

>>47464000
>>47464084
>>47464110
Two nukes and small bombs weren't enough.

>>47464084
so what you're saying is... beatoyakodon?

>>47464123
It's not incest if your daughter is somehow your clone.

>>47464123
Throw in Lion too, can't leave her out of family affairs

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>>47464140
nah lion's for the jessie & natsuhi oyakodon, the beatoyakodon is for beatofaces only

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>>47463804

sometimes you can really tell someone hasn't read the VN

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>>47464275
I usually see this applied to people who don't have sympathy towards Yasu. The irony being that not having sympathy towards Yasu actually demonstrates a deeper engagement with the sound novel rather than just feeling sad when the sad music plays and feeling happy when the happy music plays. If I didn't know that R07 was a hack I'd almost even allow for the possibility that Yasu was a deliberate pitfall to get the reader to stop thinking like the cousins did at the end of Episode 1. Yasu's story seems so compelling but falls apart with not much criticism at all. Like cute shipping art of Battler and Shannon, you have to willfully blind yourself to the obvious implications of a three timing individual breaking marriage oaths and feigning friendships for a oneitis.

>>47465265
Unfortunately the sort of people who gobble up whatever emotional slop the author shovels at them like it's the deepest shit ever are more likely to keep hanging around the fandom than people who thought it was shit.

>>47465485
Holy shit, anon, you might be onto something. Shame you are left here complaining to no end instead of just leaving

>>47465265
>>47465485
>>47465521
Samefagging sperg kill yourself

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>>47465485
>FANS are more likely to stay in the FANdom than NOT fans

>>47465521
>>47465664
Since when you have to like Umineko to be part of the WTC fandom?

>>47465675
I was talking about umi fandom only

>>47465684
Try looking for it on /lgbt/

>>47465694
Only found Satokei fans there

>>47465702
I've been saying people SatoRikafags secretly jerk off to SatoKei for years, finally the truth is coming up

Why should i post here when only shippers and shitcord posting here

>>47466126
Let's go back to r/furuderika and post some meepers

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thinkgen of Nii-Nii

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>>47465485
>unfortunately people who like a story are more likely to become fans of it than people who don't

Just doing my yearly check in to see if there's even a CRUMB of news on Cyconia

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Wow it's even worse than I could have imagined.
What a fucking faggot.

>>47465265
This is just moralfagging, not 'deeper engagement'. People who place themselves in the mind of Yasu are engaging infinitely more deeply with Umineko than people who suspend their aesthetic judgement to ruminate on whether Yasu done wrong.

>>47465265
>>47468092
i often wonder how people manage to go through all of the story only to go "yeah but uh sayo's like dating 2 other people? so she's bad and you're bad for liking her??"
even worse when they try to portray themselves as the intellectual afterwards for not falling for ryukishi's EVIL TRICKS like... playing sad music and having characters be sad in a sad situation
to me just writing that out made it clear just how much you have to not be invested in the story to even think like that, you're outright saying the story beats didn't affect you and then purporting that as proof you're more engaged with the story somehow and not less
and this situation i don't know which'd be worse, a guy not giving a shit the whole way through reading the boat scene then acting like that means he's more invested than others, or a guy cheering and going "HA GET FUCKED YOU CHEATING BITCH" as ricordando il passato plays

>>47468046
Please Ryu cancel Ciconia, it would be so fucking funny.

Imagine taking pride in having some sappy music change your opinion about someone.

>>47468402
really not helping your case here man

>>47468264
Not even my case, just voicing in my opinion.

>>47468424
>>47468438

>>47468438
and i'd say grossly oversimplifying that entire post down to 'sad music make me sad so opinion changed' makes your opinion not all that viable

>>47468402
The worst part is that there are so many naive simple minded individuals that it works on. Just think of how many people at the end of Sotsu wrote about being moved after hearing Dear You and how that made the whole experience worth it.

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>>47465265
Yasu wasn't three timing at all though. In the "real" world, Shannon was dating George, Kanon turned Jessica down, and Shannon and Battler barely interacted when he came back. Yasu just thinking about choosing Jessica or Battler over George doesn't make her a cheater. It's just the gameboard and the metaworld extrapolate her considering them as actual romances.

Yasu's still a bad person for being willing to murder her entire family though.

pic unrelated

>>47468491
As opposed to the original VN, where no sad music ever played.

>>47468511
>Yasu's still a bad person for being willing to murder her entire family though
only if you believe in thought crime

>>47468709
the point .
your head 0

>>47468738
>no argument

>>47468728
Crimes are the criteria you use to tell apart innocent people from guilty ones, not good people from evil ones.
The Columbine shooters weren't pure kind souls until before the day of the shooting because they had been only /thinking/ about murdering teenagers.

>>47468777
The argument is the post you replied to, your counter-argument misses the point.

>>47468811
Explain how.

>>47468820
Someone made a post about how naïve people managed to feel emotional at a genuinely awful work because a song they liked was playing and your counter-argument is that other works have a soundtrack.

>>47468511
God I love this hag like you wouldn't believe

>>47468959
How do you know that you yourself aren't one of those naive individuals? The very point of music being included in a work is to influence the emotions of the listener. Anyone could claim that any scene you felt emotional about was deceiving you with its music.

>>47465265

"Someone who's never fallen in love could never understand Umineko"

Your post is so shockingly bad, and petty, and reveals a completely lack of understanding of the themes which Ryu was beating you over the head with. Have you never felt torn between loves or passions? Even just between, let's say, home life and work life? Family life and private? Not even multiple romantic loves, but that's also relavant.

People who don't have "sympathy", or rather EMPATHY, for the characters, are probably shallow blind people. This goes for the Sayo bashers calling her a DID schizo troon, and also the lefties who love bashing George as a pedophile incel. You're all inbred faggots who're just in it for waifubait or soap opera fanfiction and don't understand anything at all.

>>47468784
So Maria is an evil person for thinking about killing Rosa? Don't be such a pathetic moralist, Ryu isn't writing these characters in such a shallow "good vs evil" way.

>>47469221
Sotsu clearly failed to deceive me and most people here.

>>47469227
Where's your sympathy and empathy for shallow people and inbred faggots?

>>47469266
Nor was I claiming otherwise.

>>47469281
I do have those for them, I understand why they ended up the way they do in how they think about things, and the struggles they go through. I also think they're pathetic.

>>47469311
I understand how Sayo ended up that way, but they are still evil.

>>47469299
There's your answer then.

>>47469240
Maria in part believes her mother is possessed by an evil witch and in the concept of golden land, what's Yasu's excuse?

>>47469419
so going off of >>47469346, you understand HOW sayo ended up that way, but she's still evil, while how maria ended up the way she is is somehow perfectly fine and means she doesn't count? they're both on the same level of merely being thoughts on paper, but one's considered less evil than the other because of what, her age? maria shows time and time again she's far more knowledgeable about things than she usually acts like she does, 'childhood innocence' is a flimsy defense at best
the second you said maria isn't evil but sayo is, any sort of argument you may have had completely fell apart

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>>47469419
The whole family is also possessed by the 'black witch' of the family's collective sins going back decades (as she believes that her life is doomed due to her body, that the family is doomed too), and she'll revive them in the golden land. She does love them and want to be loved by them, but doesn't believe it's possible outside of heaven.

In a way she's right - the family would likely be doomed regardless, and would've killed each other eventually, especially after the collapse of the economy. And of course, she is wrong, because there was still a chance she could be accepted and loved regardless. She did believe there was a small chance of that, one miraculous spin of a roulette, but in truth she was too afraid to ever be vulnerable enough to accept it even if it did happen, as she drowned herself even after being saved by Battler. All she could ever do was write riddles.

Maria's magic was definitely more hopeful and idealistic, but there's no saying how long she'd have been able to hold out before ending up like Rosa herself, or Sayo, or trick ending Ange. Sayo definitely turned to the worse, but I don't think I can call her "evil". Kinzo did very bad things but I think using "evil" is still missing the point.

>>47469384
You didn't answer anything. How do you know that you yourself weren't deceived by the works that you are actually emotional about? How do you know that you aren't one of those naive people who only felt something because sad music was playing?

>>47469480
Yes exactly. Maria is meant to be a strong parallel to Sayo - you're easily meant to read "Sayo" into a lot of her struggles in episode 4, her slowly falling into fantasizing about brutally murdering Rosa to have relief for her pain is exactly like Sayo's confessions. Rosa/Maria can also read as an analogue to Beatrice/Shannon, with Beato abusing Shannon's idealism and turning on a dime like in Episode 2.

Anyways, this is mostly semantics - if Maria isn't "evil", then Sayo isn't either. None of the characters are purely good or evil, and most have all done bad things. People tripping over themselves to flatly virtue signal how much they BRUTALLY HATE THE CRAZY MURDEROUS TRANNY or also doing the same to incel George, abusive parent Rosa, etc are just missing the point bigly. Natushi killed a servant!

>>47469528
>BRUTALLY HATE THE CRAZY MURDEROUS TRANNY or also doing the same to incel George, abusive parent Rosa, etc are just missing the point bigly
i don't hate them, just find them disgusting

>>47469520
I literally did answer you.
q: how did you know you aren't one of the people who got deceived by it
a: because I didn't get deceived by it

>>47469644
>because I didn't get deceived by it
Prove it.

>>47469480
>>47469528
Killing an evil witch is not evil, killing your mother is evil, I'll leave what Maria truly believes up to you.
>>47469515
Yasu knows magic and the black witch is a cope. Yasu conspires to murder her family, those are not intrusive thought.
>Kinzo did very bad things but I think using "evil" is still missing the point.
If Kinzo is not evil I don't know who is. You seem to have a cartoonish idea of evil people, some mythical people that are only capable of evil.

>>47469669
Prove that I don't like Sotsu? Do you want to see my I-hate-Sotsu dartboard? I don't see what are you getting at.

>>47469686
I don't care if fictional characters are 'evil' or not. It's not aesthetically valid criticism.

>>47469709
You are moving the goalpost.

>>47469686
>You seem to have a cartoonish idea of evil people
and you seem to throw it around willy-nilly, 'had dark thoughts' is NOT a qualifier to start calling someone evil, otherwise 99% of the planet would be fucking evil and the concept of evil would lose its point
and don't even try to get all original sin on my ass, we're talking about the idea of not feeling any sort of empathy or pity for a character somehow being validated by this label, if you're applying it to everyone you're just proving my point that you're not actually engaged with the characters at all

>>47469706
Why do you keep bringing up Sotsu? I'm talking about works you actually liked and felt emotionally invested in.

>>47469739
I agree with your reasoning but not with your conclusions. Yasu's thoughts weren't simply intrusive "dark" thoughts because she was fully willing to act upon them.
>we're talking about the idea of not feeling any sort of empathy or pity for a character somehow being validated by this label
Many evil people are people with feelings you can pity. The school shooter maybe wouldn't have ended up like that if he didn't suffer a life of bullying, and the serial rapist maybe was traumatized by getting his dad's dick up his bum. Can and do I feel sorry for them, and understand what set them off this path? Yes. Do I still think they were pieces of shit who got what they deserved? Yes.

>>47469742
Because it's soundtrack failed to deceive me into thinking it is a good work. From this we can infer that music alone is not enough to make me like a bad work.

>>47469860
Then it seems reasonable to assume that the people who liked Sotsu would've liked it regardless of the music.

>>47469733
I have said from the start of this conversation that this is just moralfagging and proves no deeper engagement with this or any story. It doesn't take intelligence and reveals nothing of importance to draw up a list of moral conventions and grade a character as evil or good in a clerical fashion. Whether you or I think that Sayo was 'a piece of shit who deserved to die' or 'good person' does not even rise to the level of interpretation, never mind critique.

>>47469894
Maybe if you ignore the "made the whole experience worth it part".

>>47469907
Define moralfaggottry.

>>47469913
Show me those who say that.

>>47469822
>because she was fully willing to act upon them
was she? because all we have for proof of that is a few forgeries and a line about pieces not being able to do what the original person couldn't, something that through the existence of black battler we can see isn't a foolproof presentation of a character's true persona
meanwhile what we see of the true events of rokkenjima is her hiding away in the gold room in full cumbersome beato cosplay until the adults barge in, sure she can say she was going to use the guns but this is AFTER she has no reason to use them anymore, she can say whatever the fuck she wants then it doesn't mean it would've been true
by not assuming sayo WAS actually perfectly willing to poison, gut and stuff 6 adults full of candy, all we actually have is a suicidal girl sitting in a room with four guns, right next to a bomb she was debating pulling just like kinzo had hundreds of times before, who immediately when given the opportunity runs out to try and find survivors of a massacre not knowing if the ones who caused it are still running around or not
'willing' and 'doing' are two different things, the separation from a suicide victim and a suicidal person, the diference between thought and action - a good man can be driven to do bad things, does this mean the man was never good at all? in much the same way, can a writer who didn't kill anyone but loosely based her story's murder victims on people she knows be classified as evil?

>>47469925
I did, at least in the context of arts and entertainment:
>to draw up a list of moral conventions and grade a character as evil or good in a clerical fashion
For example, in the instigating post >>47465265:
>Like cute shipping art of Battler and Shannon, you have to willfully blind yourself to the obvious implications of a three timing individual breaking marriage oaths and feigning friendships for a oneitis.
Here it is supposed that the artistic success of the story depends upon tricking you into sympathising with a bad person. The allegedly intelligent reader will see through the manipulations of the author and decline to pity Yasu for 'three timing', 'breaking marriage oaths', and 'feigning friendships' (three counts of evil, and for a 'oneitis' of all things—BAD GRADE). It's stupid and contains no interpretative content. It's your misfortune if a fictional character's deeds prevent you from approaching them as an artistic creation, an expression of thoughts, feelings, experiences, themes, but you're kidding yourself if you think it demonstrates deeper engagement than a person who empathises with the character and seeks to understand what is being depicted through the craft.

>>47469941
Just the fact that she was /seriously/ considering carrying it out, regardless of her flipped coin toss chance of actually carrying it out, is enough for me too classify her as evil.
>in much the same way, can a writer who didn't kill anyone but loosely based her story's murder victims on people she knows be classified as evil?
Not necessarily, no

>>47469993
>to draw up a list of moral conventions and grade a character as evil or good in a clerical fashion
So moralfagging is judging a character? That's it?

What insights did you gain by placing yourself in the mind of a person who makes poor, disagreeable, and poor decisions?

>>47470026
and evil* whatever

I don't care about yasu

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I care about Yasu

>>47470091
Most normal people don't.

>>47470106
Nobody here is normal.

>>47470106
normal people don't read ryukishi VNs

>>47470026
Judging? Not at all. Moralfagging about art is barely judgement, at least not in any artistic sense. A interpretative judgement of Yasu's actions would be, for example: Yasu's criminality reflects how Umineko unites its themes of love and art with a idea of the private self, the individual apart from society, through its motif of magic. Magic is invisible to anyone but the 'witch' unless the other person has love for them and are therefore initiated into their private world, and in this way there is a connection drawn between the romantic and creative passions; however, because magic is usually particular to the individual, it also divides them from society and its conventions, introducing a world of 'endless possibilities' that may be violent, surreal, and offensive to the public good. Love, art, and crime are all interrelated in this way, particularly in the character of Yasu. Now, whether one agrees or not with these statements, they express a judgement on what one believes the expression of the text to imply. They also represent the insights into a story and its ideas one can find by approaching it with sympathy for what it means to express. Whether they are absolutely secure judgement or not—I'm sure there are alternative interpretations—is not really important since I believe the pleasure of art and its interpretation is its own reward.

On the other hand, I call moralfagging over whether Yasu is good or evil a grade precisely for this reason; it bears more resemblance to marking a essay on points than interpreting a text, although at least marking an essay does have a purpose beyond the needs of the grader. A moral judgement on fictional characters barely deserves the name, since it provides no judgement about the expression of the story. It says more about the speaker than the text. Moreover, it goes without saying that the litigation of uncommitted crimes of constructed fictions can have no material end—besides to soothe personal neurosis, perhaps.

>>47470207
You are interested in a material end when reading fiction?

>>47470271
Not particularly, besides the pleasure I referred to in my post, but one assumes that litigating crimes is best practiced when one is assured that the criminal exists and may be punished.

>>47470277
The word crime comes up 5 times in this threads, and in all but one case it's mentioned by you.

>>47470284
How is that relevant? Listing a bunch of perceived transgressions against moral conventions, such as three timing or planning a murder, as a basis to decline sympathy to Yasu is the litigation of crimes. To say that a character is a 'piece of shit' who deserved what they got, as an anon said, is to litigate perceived crimes and pronounce a moral assessment. You reject the letter in order to turn your eyes away from the spirit.

>>47470303
Sayo didn't commit any crimes, mine is a judgement of Yasu, the person.
God forbids someone appreciates compelling characters in a work of fiction.

>>47470323
Your judgement of Yasu as a 'bad person' is based on their crimes, by which I mean any thought or action which is perceived as a moral offense by the reader. You can call them what you want and play semantics all day, but if Yasu didn't plan a murder then people wouldn't feel the neurotic need to judge the character as evil. A character is compelling because they are well-written, and it doesn't matter particularly what you or I think they deserved to die or get a happy ever after. Sayo is a good character; I don't care whether or not she is a good person.

>>47470341
I don't know why you are dead set on coming up with your own special snowflake definition of crime.
>if Yasu didn't plan a murder then people wouldn't feel the neurotic need to judge the character as evil.
How do you go through reading or watching a piece of media without judging the characters' actions, thoughts, and feeling? Apparently that's neurotic now.
>A character is compelling because they are well-written
How good is a characters whose actions are illogical, impulsive, and downright evil?

>>47470411
>>47470424
I don't know why you are dead set on avoiding the implication that an action or thought judged immoral is called a crime. Of course there is the strict legal definition, but we both know the word crime is used more generally for any act normally considered evil and shameful. People are usually judged evil on the basis of their crimes, not merely because of some unsubstantiated premonition of their inherent badness. I could say sins instead but this has the unnecessary religious implication and I do not mean to accuse you of being a churchgoer.

I have supplied well my example of how I judge character like Sayo here >>47470207 in direct comparison to shallow moralfagging and you have chosen to ignore it. Furthermore, there is nothing precluding a character from being well-written merely because they are illogical and impulsive. People are frequently illogical and impulsive; if anything it is not Sayo's impulsiveness and lack of common sense that might strike one as unusual or outstanding but her relative self-possession and clarity of intent with regard to her own peculiar ideas and feelings. There are many cases when a person is unable to so clearly articulate their reasoning for an act of violence. But it is well-justified as an expression of the story's themes, as I suggested in my thumbnail interpretation of Sayo's role in Umineko.

>>47470490
>her relative self-possession and clarity of intent with regard to her own peculiar ideas and feelings.
This, I think it fits into what you wrote earlier about magic separating her from the rest of the world and you can only see the inner logic of her sin or the 'heart' if you enter into her world.

>>47470207
>>47470490

It's so rare to see anyone who really understands Umineko like this on such a deep level, especially connecting the " [Witch] artist-outcast-fugitive" concept and how Sayo represents that. They speak in riddles so that only people on their specific wavelength can receive the call... much like a secretive person hiding from society, or being hidden by society, or an artist trying to reach out to an audience (usually futily).

A hundred people can read a story, and only 20 will even start to think about it seriously...and instead moralfag about dumb crap that doesn't matter, usually to virtue signals to their friends or audience just HOW THEY'RE A VERY MORAL PERSON WHO DISAPPROVES OF THESE FICTIONAL ACTS

>>47469993
>It's your misfortune if a fictional character's deeds prevent you from approaching them as an artistic creation, an expression of thoughts, feelings, experiences, themes, but you're kidding yourself if you think it demonstrates deeper engagement than a person who empathises with the character and seeks to understand what is being depicted through the craft.
That's literally what Battler does for much of episode 2, just constantly moralfags over the goriness of the crimes, which stops him from interpreting the story's true message from Sayo - he got filtered, basically. (Of course, even when Beato's extra nice later, Battler's still clueless and still takes it at face value)

This is all put through an explicit test again with Saku's Piece, who also presents a seemingly cruel mystery erasing people's existence, but the 'mystery' is all an artistically roundabout way of expressing the true message, just as any work of art does

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Is this a WTC reference?

>>47469686
>evil people, some mythical people that are only capable of evil.
Anon, there's a big flaw here you didn't even realize you wrote: "Evil people" isn't the same thing as "People who are capable of evil". What does it even mean to be an Evil Person? Someone who's committed evil deeds? How many deeds does it take for someone to turn from "A Good person who sometimes does Evil Things" to "An Evil Person"?
Regardless, as the other anon said, it's a worthless question. judging characters like this is like grading for a report card, rather than any actual artistic understanding. Especially for Ryukishi who tries very hard not to make characters pure born evil, but "what can make a person do bad things". Whether people are good or evil is irrelevant - after all, there's always some fragment where, maybe, they turned out alright. How was Lion's story not enough to really understand how Ryukishi thinks about this stuff?

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Evil women are hot though

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ITALIAN PSYCHO

>>47471257
>Evil "woman" are hot though
What did he mean by this?

>>47471257
Trying to whitewash (practically whiteknight) Sayo/Beato is super boring. Let her be bad.

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>>47471517
Wtf

>>47471543
they're bad dancers

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>>47471332
damn straight

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>>47471332
i'd argue the whole conversation has been less of a whitewash attempt and more of an attempt to avoid blackwashing her, evil sayo grins are fun but she's not exactly adolf-tier for writing some stories about killing a bunch of rich bastards (and also 2 teenagers, a child and several innocent servants but who's counting)

If Yasu has 10 million haters I'm one of them.
If Yasu has no haters then I've been erased from existence, as my body would reanimate itself after death just to point out all everything wrong with the little creep.

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Yasu fears the MAGICAL CHEF

>>47471772
>entire motive to kill him too was just "fuck that guy"
Cracks me up.

>>47471772
I like how he even messes up in the golden land in ep8
still, I like him

>>47471803
way funnier than the manga trying to retroactively throw in a sexual assault accusation in the background of a panel to make his death 'reasonable', there's no fucking point in it and i'm still mad about it
just let the woman have a petty grudge as an excuse to fuck a dude over in several different scenarios, shit's hilarious

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>I'm such a manly man...I'm a very strong boy...

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>>47471818
Sure you are buckaroo. Now let me play this song I wrote for you, which also coincidentally happens to be about small breasts

tasukete nii nii

>>47471814
sayo thought jessica's asthma was real, so she was probably wrong about gohda too (likely corporate slander to ruin gohda's reputation as a chef after he got fired), but also I think that's just her trying too hard to think of a 'good motive' when yeah he's just an asshole. She got too caught up in trying to create the perfect murder-suicide but was mostly just a cry for help
>>47471945
I think she should look even more like a scraggly nerdy mess

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>>47471956
trying to find one in my folder where she's more of a mess and it's difficult

>>47471975
>Dear, our daughter, our daughter is...!
>A homosexualist? Yes, I heard from Kanon, it's apparently quite the booming profession in America...this could be quite good for business!

>>47471945
>"Eh? Shannon looks like this now!? the kid I used to talk mysteries with?
>....wasn't that a boy?"

>>47471667
>grr rich people le bad
Grow up.

>>47471150
>What does it even mean to be an Evil Person? Someone who's committed evil deeds?
No.

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Trans George says read umineko

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>>47472183
I know lots of things

>>47472187
41% body fat

>>47470490
>avoiding the implication that an action or thought judged immoral is called a crime
Not giving up your seat for an old man on the bus is the moral thing to do but it's not a crime. Crime outlawing some immoral action != crimes are actions and thoughts (???) considered immoral.

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I just had to sleep through all that Sayo posting...

>>47471727
>...you're underwhelming

>>47470490
A compelling characters ought to have compelling motives. A murderer whose motives are impulsive or petty is not interesting.

>>47472404
For me, what doesn't work is how completely ridiculous Battler's "sin" seems. R07 didn't even have to do much legwork to make Yasu not seem like a moron - if he added some malarky about her being raised in a culture where technology like telephones was shunned it'd make her situation feel a lot less escapable than it was. And yes I KNOW Yasu's mind is a prison of her own creation, but there's limits to how wide open the cell door can be before you just write someone off as a narcissistic idiot

>>47473786
Ryukishi's biggest flaw was trying to make shallow characters seem deeper than they are

>>47475609
Boobs twice the size of the head

I can't even imagine hating Yasu because the whole thing is that he doesn't actually have the balls to commit to anything.
Beatrice is the witch who doesn't ever let the dice fall from her hand because that would actually require taking a chance instead of fantasizing about the endless possibilities, and ultimately just sits around while her family does something totally unexpected, thus proving that she didn't truly understand them.
Getting upset at a retard because they and their retard family did something retarded is just utterly pointless.

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>>47476240
>doesn't actually have the balls
not anymore

never had, to be more precise

>>47476240
The adults immediately solve the epitaph right after getting the letter, so Yasu doesn't have the opportunity to put any plans into motion since the first six murders always occur after that whole discussion happens.

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>>47477778
>one off

>>47473786
It's explicitly stated that she knew she could've called him but didn't.
The pain was how Battler forgot entirely, that it meant nothing to him. To call him and to "Ahhh heyy battler-san aha anyways ummm did you forget our promise and stuff...?" would be extremely painful, especially due to her lower status. Do you not understand that feeling at all?

>>47476240
she did actually expect them to solve it before any murders happen, she says it was one extremely rare possibility that she still prepared for.

It's repeated enough that we probably should believe she might have actually gone through with it - she at least had the determination to, and she felt sinful over that

>>47476514
Lmao based

>>47478050
it's exactly paralleled with Maria knowing Rosa forgot their promise to go out, but feeling too humiliated to ask her about it. The problem was in how she forgot, and then creating a nice excuse for it in her head.

Sayo did the same at first, but eventually broke down.

>>47478322
sayo's perspective of 'sin' seems pretty shit - we know she considers battler reasonably forgetting a childhood promise to her a 'sin', we know she considers it a 'sin' for her to love and be loved by another, not just a sin committed by herself but by THEM for loving her, for loving 'furniture'
she'd totally feel sinful over the mere THOUGHT of killing anyone, such is how she is thanks to her self-flagellating life philosophy

>>47472404
>>47473786
Sayo's mind is more than compelling enough to make her motive interesting. There are also a lot of explicit references even early on in the VN to why she never tried to call him, like Beatrice talking about how the worst thing you can do to a woman is fail to live up to the expectations she created in her head. The way that her internal reality dictated her actions to that extent is much more interesting than a more quote unquote rational motive. Petty is also a strange choice of words since Sayo's motives are also not at all petty but grandiose, romantic, and fantastical.

>>47476514
For a second I assumed you mean Ryukishi07 doesn't have the balls to make more WTC VNs, and not something related to Yasu's overrated fanfiction, you fat fucks.

>>47474423
The true biggest flaw was trying to make deeper characters without any idea of how to do the universe.

>>47478722
As said here >>47469547, Sayo's fatal flaw was thinking that it would be impossible for anybody to love her, which just creates an assumption that other people could never "see" her. Which is why it's impossible to see her on the game boards unless you peek through the riddles - but this assumption is, of course, not very loving, it creates a blind spot for herself, she couldn't even see how much people really did, or could have, loved her. Surely any of the romantic interests could've worked something out, and so on. Even so, it's better to try then to die. It's sort of a typical anti-suicide take, but a fully realized one.

Something I think about is what Ryu thought after realizing how few people figured out the mystery, or many readers reaction to the controversial answer - was she justified in staying hidden all along?

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>DEMONS?

>>47482743
IN MY MANSION?

Enje....

>>47483495
a golden rose...

>>47483495
>survives impossible injuries
>predicts weather events months in advance
>mother was an identical copy of her own mother
>capable of perfect disguise in front of anyone, including lifelong friends
>casually attracts archdemons like 34 with her autistic ramblings
Was the Castiglioni bloodline genuinely supernatural?

If the non-forgeries are just edgy fanfiction, does that mean Yasu embellished her own abilities and downplayed the competence of everyone else?

>>47483672
No, ryukishi is just a hack

>>47483672
all italians share the cagliostro powers
>>47483727
Well, she was wrong about a few things, like Jessica's asthma attacks

>>47483727
Stuff like living as Kanon and Shannon is supposed to be happening even before the forgeries though.

If you want to question something like that, it'd need to be something like Jessica noticing, but playing along in a way that Yasu doesn't notice (and so isn't part of the story).

>>47483769
Really the only person who would've noticed the crossdressing is Jessica. The servants scheduled the shifts so Shannon and Kanon wouldn't be too close, and I doubt Natushi or the others would notice, and the others only visit very rarely. Jessica is the only one who would really see Shkannon often enough, and she has a whole story in 7 about how she's deliberately tried to avoid confronting the oddities surrounding the servant activities (ie. "I know something was up with Shannon/Kannon, but I was too afraid to ask...").

I like to think she had some ghost of an idea subconsciously, explaining the Tsurupettan song.

>>47484112
if I pulled that tattoo off would they/them die

>>47484184
That's not a tattoo though

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>>47483672
>>predicts weather events months in advance
Didnt she write legend and turn like a day before the conference?

>>47484112
I hope a proper dicking will turn her into a good wife

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>...Me?

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>>47486365
Hello me
Meet the real me

>>47486618
>no real hobbies
>no creative spark
>just pinches butts and plays sports
True Jockbrain

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>>47486635
>badminton is not a hobby

>>47486684
It's a...bad-minton one :)

Another thread ruined by umifags

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Sex. Absolute pure sex.

>>47486705
Let them have this anon they get bullied on any other board

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>thread having an actual intelligent discussion shatters sperg's mind

>>47486692
Not even going to give you a carlos for that that wasn't even a pun it was half sensical wordplay

>>47486618
>Yasu's ideal self would still go to jail for sexual assault

Maybe we should have just poured our own tea and done our own laundry

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>>47486763
>ideal self
That would be Shannon

>>47486730
You're obsessed nobody likes umifags not just your boogymen

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My anju came in finally

>>47486730
The only things that got shattered are yours and Shannon's penis.

>>47487355
Why is Enje unable to smile?

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Cute and Canon

>>47456903 (OP)
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/121223678

>>47489669
tbpbros...

>>47489669
Kill yourself

>>47489739
Why are you triggered by feet?

>>47489669
>R-18 works cannot be displayed
>You need a pixiv account to view this work. It won't be displayed to users under 18.
I guess I'll never know, oh well...

>>47489669
The artist uploaded this yesterday but he had forgotten to censor their cunnies

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>>47489802
Imagine not having a pixiv account

>>47489814
>cunnies
They look like highschoolers.

>>47490197
Blasphemous but I like it

>>47490480
Isn't that Jessica?

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>>47490821
Anju is so pretty

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>>47490827
This is the truth

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>>47462183
Your face is the chair punishment games

>>47486768
shannon is also my ideal self...

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>>47491956
anon?

What was the special work Ryukishi was going to announce?

>>47491972
>>47447279 →

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>>47492017
JeSha sexo

>>47492027
>>47492017
Am I the only person who thinks this dress doesn't fit Jeshika?

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>>47471945

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>>47492101
Give up, no such girl exists

>>47492054
I think of it as more something her parents wanted her to dress for some formal occasional rather than something Jessica would casually wear.

>>47492027
>>47492115
>Jessica fled her own 10th birthday party. There was no reason to stick around, considering the company. Her dreadfully beloved parents had invited dozens of rich families and their children, but none of their daughter's real, so-called "commoner," friends from school. God forbid they be allowed to flank such illustrious youths as these. One exceptionally precocious and nasty brat had even dared to call the princess of the evening "new money" to her face when no one was listening, not expecting her to (very basically, at least) understand it as an insult. That was the anvil that broke the camel's back, and little Jessica told them to "excuse themselves" with the language of the foulest street urchin before running off. There was a real friend hiding somewhere in this house, and she was going to abduct her if she had to.

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>Researchers have engineered artificial penises in rabbits, using cells from the animals, who then used their new organs to father baby rabbits.
>Atala's team first created a scaffold using the penis of a rabbit, and removed all the living cells from it, leaving only cartilage. They then took a small piece of tissue from the penis of another rabbit and grew the cells in a lab dish.
>They made sure to have two cell types, smooth muscle cells and endothelial cells, the same type of cells that line blood vessels. The smooth muscle cells made the organ's spongy tissue and the endothelial cells grew into blood vessels — very important in an organ like the penis, which requires good blood supply.
>The cells were seeded onto the scaffold, and six weeks later the researchers had penises to graft onto rabbits that had their penises removed.
>The animals seemed to realize they had working organs again — the 12 with the grafts tried to mate with female rabbits within one minute of being put into cages with them, and four of the female rabbits became pregnant.
>Those with the scaffolding alone and no working tissue did not even try.
>Atala is hoping the procedure will work with people, perhaps starting with adult men who have had damage to their organs. "Patients with congenital anomalies, penile cancer, traumatic penile injury, and some types of organic erectile dysfunction could benefit from this technology in the future," the team wrote in the report.
>The process takes six weeks from beginning to end, he said, and there is reason to believe a penis grafted onto a baby would grow with the child. That turned out to be the case with the rabbit experiment.

>>47492943
finally yasu can have his penis back

>>47493090
every witch needs her magic wand

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>>47456903 (OP)
>Tomitake is cornered by the yamainu
>Akasaka won't make it in time
>Battler desperately tries to reach the fragment but is stopped by Beatrice
>Takano is just about to kill Rika but suddenly...
>ONE
>FOR
>ALL
>...100%
ENTER


MY FUCKING HEROES ACADEMIA