Ainz ooal gown (Overlord) VS Naraku (inuyasha)

[dragoth]

The Creator already said this in the interview it comes back every 500 years if someone wishes it's away

No because it's kind of the only wish granting device in the story. the creator did say that it does get destroyed every 500 years and comes back

It really depends on how you take it has granted every wish that has been wished upon it.

Several characters have stated it can do any but the jewel itself seems to decide on how the wishes going to act out.

Kikyo was granted instantaneously the jewel went to the Afterlife with her but then it decided to come out anyway.

Naraku successfully erase the soul of the old Priestess from existence

And the Jewel destroyed itself immediately after kagome's wish.

Naraku's wish to be with Kikyo was never fulfilled until both of them were dead cheap way to get to heaven but okay

Although at the time the jewel was actively being counterproductive so it could fulfill its own way.

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ok seems fairly straight forward to me this is my final ruling on wish and the jewel

Ainz can use wish to erase the jewel but it will return in 500 years but by then this fight should be over one way or the other.

Naraku can use the jewel to defeat ainz by wishing but it wont be like a thanos snap thing as that docent seem to be how it works but events would transpire in a way that would lead to the defeat of ainz even if it would take a while.

this is of course on the proviso that counter wishes are not taken in to account.

 

[bonesdrowy]

yes because demons who can naturally sense magic and particularly sense the pull of the jewel, not to mention kagome, being unable to sense the jewel from outside the barrier is somehow not more impressive then anything ainz has ever shown the ability to penetrate........ seriously stop with the wank.

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Uh while I don't hold any knowledge on Inuyasha, not sure a invisibility barrier being able to counter abilities that sense magic would translate to being able to counter abilities the see through the invisibility aspect. Like why would being able to counter magic sensing abilities mean it can counter abilities that only see through invisibility, those are two different things, just seem like it would only mean it'll counter Ainz's spell that senses the magical aurs of a target.

Unless theres other feats of countering abilities that see through just the invisibility aspect. Also not sure who's Kagome or their feats in terms of seeing through invisibility.

Of course I don't doubt that there aren't any feats, just that bringing up countering magic sensing isn't really proof to say it can counter the ability to see through just invisibility.

yeah sure and im sure you have an actual cite for this massive wank your doing for your favorite series right?

also its not like theyve ever tried divination or dispelling his barrier before or anything in the series oh wait they did and it didnt work so what in the world makes you think ainz is going to somehow magically do better? and please once again cites.

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Ainz doesn't dispell invisibility, he just sees through it, like what kind of divination are you refering to here? Just to note that I don't think Ainz can even win this match up, and frankly the thread got turned into a bit of a mess.

If wish on a star was actually useful on the level of the Jewel, Ainz could have just wished his way back into the real world or wish to meet his real life friends and allies, the spell cannot grant this. While the the Jewels wish powers don't have said limitations, they actually do transcend universal barriers and such. Just to clarify, just because the game mechanic says something as idiotic as grants any wish, doesn't make it so, otherwise the plot of Overlord would have been solved on episode 1 with Ainz wishing to achieve his goals. If Ainz really had an omnipotent wish granting ability, there would be no point actually debating him, since he could wish himself to be omnipotent.

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While I don't think Wish Upon A Star is without its own limits, but Ainz hasn't used or attempted to use the spell for what you claim simply due to the fact the himself stated he needs to use a greater amount of exp (he doesn't even know if he can even regain exp in the New World as it is seemingly nonexistent so far) and he rather not attempt to use it when he doesn't even know how much exp the thing would drain. That and he only got two uses left. So we do not actually know if the spell can grant his way back to his world (not that he would even want to, considering its a dystopian mess) or to meet his allies. Of course that doesn't mean that it could, just that we do not know and making a postive claim is iffy at best.

Also what game mechanic description are you talking about? The whole "grants any wish" isn't a game mechanic description, its just how Ainz sees the ability as within the real world now, the actual game mechanic description of the spell back in YGGDRASIL is just that it can be use to cast a option of 200 different effects. Its simply Ainz own words, which can be taken as hyperbolic, just correcting you that its not game mechanic description.

Personally I dislike debating Wish Upon A Star as we don't know its actual limits and most debates is frankly far too speculative. We know that it can grant more powerful wishes based on how much exp Ainz is willing to give up, but this is irrelevant when we can't quantify how much X amount of exp is needed for specifc wishes. We know that it can't overwrite the affects of World Classe Items, but those vary in effects wildy. At the very least it should still be able to grant the 200 effects that it previously could while it was still a game, and that it can steal special abilities from new Worlders. Thats about all we know of the spell.

Your idea of concepts have very little meaning when Overlord can conceptualize the actual existence of eldritch horrors to call forth favors from HP Lovecraft's nightmares. Tell me, can the Shikon Jewel make contact with beings beyond human comprehension that exist beyond the boundaries of our universe?

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We don't even know how summons are created, not sure why your using this spell as evidence for anything more than just typical summons of more powerful monsters.

 

[Ecoho]

Uh while I don't hold any knowledge on Inuyasha, not sure a invisibility barrier being able to counter abilities that sense magic would translate to being able to counter abilities the see through the invisibility aspect. Like why would being able to counter magic sensing abilities mean it can counter abilities that only see through invisibility, those are two different things, just seem like it would only mean it'll counter Ainz's spell that senses the magical aurs of a target.

Unless theres other feats of countering abilities that see through just the invisibility aspect. Also not sure who's Kagome or their feats in terms of seeing through invisibility.

Of course I don't doubt that there aren't any feats, just that bringing up countering magic sensing isn't really proof to say it can counter the ability to see through just invisibility.

Ainz doesn't dispell invisibility, he just sees through it, like what kind of divination are you refering to here? Just to note that I don't think Ainz can even win this match up, and frankly the thread got turned into a bit of a mess.

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so were kind of going with a rule 13 situation here as magic auras dont exist in inuyasha but demonic and sacred ones do, both are hidden from within his barrier should he chose to do so. it also erases his presence no scent, foot prints, or sound can be sense from outside the barrier.(so it might as well be like perfect unknowable which im pretty sure ainz cant just see through)
kagome can sense jewel shards naturally if shes within a certain distance roughly around a mile or so and it shines for her like a bright pink light if pure or a black light if impure even through rock, but if its behind narakus barrier she can sense or see it.

its resisted divination spells made to locate individuals with well scary accuracy by kikyo who is quite possibly the strongest priestess in the series next to kagome but is far better trained.

then theres the whole breaking through it which i wont even begin to get into. so yeah this fight was made more complicated then it needs to be but seeing how the arguments have been going it seemed to be the only way.

ok seems fairly straight forward to me this is my final ruling on wish and the jewel

Ainz can use wish to erase the jewel but it will return in 500 years but by then this fight should be over one way or the other.

Naraku can use the jewel to defeat ainz by wishing but it wont be like a thanos snap thing as that docent seem to be how it works but events would transpire in a way that would lead to the defeat of ainz even if it would take a while.

this is of course on the proviso that counter wishes are not taken in to account.

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i feel like your not completely understanding something, only the jewel can wish itself away and even then it doesnt last.

remember the scale of the jewels power includes being able to reincarnate someone in the future and pull them back to the time it wants them that kind of metaphysical power should put it on the same level as a world item meaning ainz's wish kind of sputters out like it did when he tried to release shalltear from her mind control. (but ill let bonesdrowy give his thoughts on that hes rather reasonable and know overlord)

 

[bonesdrowy]

so were kind of going with a rule 13 situation here as magic auras dont exist in inuyasha but demonic and sacred ones do, both are hidden from within his barrier should he chose to do so. it also erases his presence no scent, foot prints, or sound can be sense from outside the barrier.(so it might as well be like perfect unknowable which im pretty sure ainz cant just see through)
kagome can sense jewel shards naturally if shes within a certain distance roughly around a mile or so and it shines for her like a bright pink light if pure or a black light if impure even through rock, but if its behind narakus barrier she can sense or see it.

its resisted divination spells made to locate individuals with well scary accuracy by kikyo who is quite possibly the strongest priestess in the series next to kagome but is far better trained.

then theres the whole breaking through it which i wont even begin to get into. so yeah this fight was made more complicated then it needs to be but seeing how the arguments have been going it seemed to be the only way.

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All of this doesn't exactly say that he can counter any abilities that can straight up just see through invisibility, which was the main point I believe. I mean Ainz likely can't use any of his divination spells or magic sensing spells, but I never disagreed with that. Just that theres nothing thats been brought up that would counter Ainz's ability to just see through invisibility, except maybe scaling it to Perfect Unknowable.

However I find it a bit iffy mostly because that in addition to removing the user's physical presence its also a invisibility++ to those who can already see through invisibility. Its literally just a upgraded version of Invisibility and Complete Invisibility, with the invisibility aspect upscaling. Is there any evidence that Naraku's invisibility is a sort of invisibility to those who can see through basic invisibility?

But lets say it is, Ainz himself can't see through Perfect Unknowable, but this was why his summons Eyeball Corpses were brought up. These undead detection abilities were stated to be on par or superior to Aura's, who can somewhat detect a being using Perfect Unknowable (although in her case, it only comes up as a vague presence). Also interestingly enough, Ainz can likely use Wish to see through Perfect Unknowable (not that he would actually waste it for that), mainly due to Evil Lord Wrath being able to do so with his demonic version of wish.

Though like I said Ainz most likely loses this match.

 

[Overlord_Rei]

Every player you mean the one player that we know of you're talking about video game mechanics in comparison to the fact that only one player actually is known to us

Like literally that's like every storage in a video game we don't know where it leads to it's just a separate place where they hold their items it's not that special and can't be compared to the actual afterlife

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Except the Shikon Jewel isn't the actual afterlife. It's just it's own pocket spiritual space. Yes, Ainz is the one Player we follow. You ignore the fact that other Players have been in the New World before and have influenced the world in numerous ways. Including a group being worshiped as the Six Gods of the Slaine Theocracy, and another group becoming the Eight Kings of Greed. We also know the Platinum Dragon Lord is keeping guard over a Guild Weapon. So while Ainz is the only one we follow, to say that the changes only apply to him is completely absurd. These satchels are things every high-level player has. It's a common item.

Wish has never display anything to affect something like the sacred jewel in the first place it has a certain number of wishes it can be made which we don't even know all of them in the first place

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As already proven that is no longer the case. Only within the game did it have an upward of 200 options and when cast would only give you between 10-20 random options. That aspect of the spell no longer applies. It is no longer limited in that way. Ainz could make just about any wish he wanted with more powerful wishes requiring a greater sacrifice of exp to make them reality. The only thing it cannot do is overwrite the effects of a World-Class Item or operate on the same scale as one.

As for the Shikon Jewel, what wish has it granted that wasn't just making the person more powerful in some aspect? Given that's like 99% of what it's done the entire series.

It seems someone never read the Manga or watch the anime because the jewel was never connected to Kikyo. when Kikyo try to destroy the Jewel and take it to the Afterlife with her it just transported to Kagome. who actually doesn't have a connection to Kikyo she has a connection to the original Priestess that's in the jewel

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You mean despite the fact Inuyasha confused KAGOME for Kikyo and it was often said again and again that KAGOME inherited Kikyo's spiritual powers and that KAGOME was Kikyo's reincarnation. And that one of the earlier sticking points in Inu and KAGOME's relationship was her being all upset about Inu still having feelings for Kikyo, despite Kikyo by that point being a walking corpse trying to kill them and Naraku.

You make it sound as if the Shikon Jewel just bamfed into KAGOME while ignoring the 700yr difference between events and her literally falling into the past was still 50yrs after Kikyo's death and after Inuyasha was nailed to a tree by one of her sacred arrows.

As far as the material goes, I've seen the majority of the original run of the anime and most of the movies. I never got into watching the Final Season.

The sacred jewel has flat-out been shown to create life from nothing so they're virtually the same thing

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Wildly incorrect. The Shikon Jewel cannot create life from nothing. It can create from its own power. Ainz can specifically summon a number of undead per day with his skills at no personal cost to himself. Doing so normally, following the rules of the game, sets a Time Limit on how long they remain before disappearing. However, in the New World, if he uses the correct medium for his undead creation, they become permanent unless destroyed. Something Ainz himself tested and proved.

Ainz's Over-Tier magic has no cost as it works like a Skill. They only have CDT's still and those summons will not remain unless created in similar way to the Death Knight's. In which case even the Dark Young can remain indefinitely due to the Sacrifice of so many lives. And as noted, the number of Dark Young spawned as a result is dependent on how many people were sacrificed. Ainz states himself that he set a new record.

Other than the fact that that the Demons Inside of the jewel flat out said they can grant any wish

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And Demons are always truthful? Considering Ainz has no reason to lie and that the explanation is made by way of the Narrator/Author, we'd be far more inclined to believe its capabilities over the Jewels whose main usage has just been power-amping the current user. Even with Koga, all his shards did was make him faster and make his kicks and wind powers stronger.

Um, prove it? Don't just say it because it doesn't really matter much when already have plenty of times Naraku's Miasma has been shown to be effective against inorganic objects like the very Fang of Inuyasha's Father that "killed" Ryukotsei as a basic example? And that's before he got even stronger and Miasma got even more potent?

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You mean a fang that really didn't have any power anymore? Inorganic or not doesn't change facts. This is how undead work in Yggdrasil. Like I said, it'll either juice Ainz up or do nothing to him at all.

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In Yggdrasil, when subhumans and grotesques reached certain race levels, they gained specific racial abilities. Momonga, who had reached the elite race of Overlord, had the following monster powers: Create Upper-Tier Undead (four per day); Create Middle-Tier Undead (twelve per day); Create Lower-Tier undead (twenty per day); Negative Touch; Aura of Despair V (Instadeath); Negative Guard; Dark Soul; Raven-Black Halo; Immortal Blessing; Impure Providence; Black Wisdom; Evil Language Proficiency; Ability Point Damage IV; Stabbing Weapon Resistance V; Cutting Weapon Resistance V; Greater Repel Resistance III; Greater Physical Damage Immunity III; Chill, Acid, Electric Attack Immunity; Magical Vision Boost: See Through.

Add to that the abilities from his class level: Boost Instadeath Magic, Master of Dark Rites, Immortal Aura, Make Undead, Control Undead, Fortify Undead, etc.

He also had basic undead special abilities: Critical Hit Immunity; Paralysis, Instadeath Immunity; No Hunger/Thirst; Poison, Sickness, Sleep Penalty Resistance; Breathe Anywhere; Ability Point Damage Immunity; Energy Drain Immunity; The ability to recover from Negative Energy; Nightvision; etc.

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If you say Naraku's miasma is a type of corrosive, that makes it a Poison, which Ainz resists effortlessly. If you claim it's life-steaming, well that's a Drain effect and Ainz is immune. If it's Negative-energy based, well Ainz can literally recover from it. Like how Khajit healed the Skeletal Dragon using negative energy.

And the Jewel was explicitly destroyed, not BFR'd or else it wouldn't need that entire process in the first place since it would have just went back on it's own.

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So it can be destroyed just by setting it on fire. Neat. Gonna make this an easy win. Just tap the thing with an ice-cub and the Shikon Jewel explodes. Won't matter if it can restore itself after centuries since Naraku will have long since been turned inside out and then reduced to nothing.

The Creator already said this in the interview it comes back every 500 years if someone wishes it's away

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That's if using the Jewel itself to wish itself away. Not the same thing as being wished out of existence by a completely separate power that doesn't have the same limitations as the Jewel.

Naraku can use the jewel to defeat ainz by wishing but it wont be like a thanos snap thing as that docent seem to be how it works but events would transpire in a way that would lead to the defeat of ainz even if it would take a while.

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But that wouldn't work. Ainz gets out of such reality alterations due to him being in possession of a World-Class Item. Such that it even auto-protects him from existence erasure, like Cure Elim's breath attack. Which is a wider AoE version of Longinus without the side-effect of erasing the user too. Given we know for a fact that Wish can't affect the abilities or protections of a WCI, that would make the Shikon Jewel useless if tried against Ainz. Naraku could make the wish. The Jewel would just be incapable of granting it.

so were kind of going with a rule 13 situation here as magic auras dont exist in inuyasha but demonic and sacred ones do, both are hidden from within his barrier should he chose to do so. it also erases his presence no scent, foot prints, or sound can be sense from outside the barrier.(so it might as well be like perfect unknowable which im pretty sure ainz cant just see through)

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Ainz also has a ring that blocks detection magic and other information gathering abilities. Meaning Naraku and the Jewel can't sense Ainz's magic or what he can do unless he specifically removes it.

Ainz can also set up barriers to block such detection, farsight, etc with auto-attack countermeasures in the event someone tries to spy on him. The only reason he doesn;t use those countermeasure is so that he doesn't accidentally injure his own comrades in Nazarick when they keep an eye on him.

then theres the whole breaking through it which i wont even begin to get into.

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Because Reality Slash can quite literally bypass he barrier with impunity. There's also nothing noted about Naraku's barriers that bar teleportation, whereas Ainz can specifically set up a field that such abilities from functioning.

only the jewel can wish itself away and even then it doesnt last.

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As noted the Jewel is the only wish-granting object in the entire series. That doesn't mean only it itself can wish itself away.

remember the scale of the jewels power includes being able to reincarnate someone in the future and pull them back to the time it wants them

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you mean it did something that required centuries to take effect and literally required an object that exists in both points in time to allow said person to travel through time and could not just allow said person to travel to and fro whenever they wanted from anywhere they wanted to any location in said past they wanted.

Nothing stops Ainz from resurrecting someone in the future. He'll just have to be there for it and use the 9th-Tier spell True Resurrection. Since that spell doesn't require a corpse, though a dead body does make things easier.

that kind of metaphysical power should put it on the same level as a world item

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It doesn't. At best some of it's affects may on the level of the Over-Tier spell, Wish Upon a Star. That's it. Resurrecting people is a cakewalk for Ainz and other players. Hell he's even mentioned an Illusion spell that can revive the dead by virtue of the fact the spell is so powerful, the illusion it creates is so complete that it tricks the Universe into making the illusion Real. Which can tell you just how powerful an Illusion magic caster can be if specc'd hard in that tree.

Just that theres nothing thats been brought up that would counter Ainz's ability to just see through invisibility, except maybe scaling it to Perfect Unknowable.

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The difference being that the barrier is Tangible. It is still something that can be interacted with as it's foremost design is to prevent access to what's inside. What's inside the barrier is essentially an illusion to hide what's inside. Perfect Unknowable isn't a barrier, but it does remove the casters presence, every sound they make, their scent, etc etc. And the only way for even Aura to vaguely sense that he's even there, which requires an extremely-high skill level for ranger classes like Aura, is standing within a few meters of Ainz. Even when Ainz is talking out loud, no one can hear him.

There's also the point that the barrier Naraku uses to hide things is Stationary. Which doesn't help for a vs debate. Also, wasn't KAGOME able to find Naraku's hidden barriers anyway because of her spiritual senses? Or was it simply that she could always just sense where the shards were, making the barriers moot since, for some reason, they couldn't keep the jewel shards from being detected.

Though like I said Ainz most likely loses this match.

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I don't see how Ainz loses. If Naraku tries to use the Jewel, it'll have no effect on Ainz and instead expose it to being destroyed. And since we know the Jewel is fragile as al heck, Ainz can point a bony finger and wipe it out with Greater Break Item. And there goes Naraku's biggest gun right there.

Btw that flag bore Momonga's personal sigil and is, itself, a high-level item.

So now Naraku can't rely on the Jewel and his main resort after that is spawning monsters from his own body to chuck at his enemies. Which does nothing to Ainz since these demons aren't undead and there's nothing granting them protection from insta-death abilities. So Ainz can ltierally stand there with his passive Despair Aura V active the whole time and anything that gets close to him keels over immediately. Then after seeing Naraku re-absorbing the corpses to maintain his mass and regeneration will just spur Ainz to nuke the remains, rather literally, and prevent Naraku from recovering himself.

Getting bored, Ainz will likely spice things up by stopping time, delay-cast Meteor Fall, have time resume and just as the massive meteors are pounding down on Naraku, does the same action again, just like he did against the Demon Tree. All for shits'n giggles. Ainz can literally pull a Madara here.

 

[Friendlysociopath]

If you say Naraku's miasma is a type of corrosive, that makes it a Poison, which Ainz resists effortlessly. If you claim it's life-steaming, well that's a Drain effect and Ainz is immune. If it's Negative-energy based, well Ainz can literally recover from it. Like how Khajit healed the Skeletal Dragon using negative energy.

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This kinda needs some backing. What in Overlord links corrosion with poison? Corrosion is a chemical reaction much like setting something on fire and I know Overlord doesn't consider fire a poison attack.
Edit: I do agree it would likely count as negative energy but you know how it is.

 

[Mnarutto]

As already proven that is no longer the case. Only within the game did it have an upward of 200 options and when cast would only give you between 10-20 random options. That aspect of the spell no longer applies. It is no longer limited in that way. Ainz could make just about any wish he wanted with more powerful wishes requiring a greater sacrifice of exp to make them reality. The only thing it cannot do is overwrite the effects of a World-Class Item or operate on the same scale as one.

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we know the wishes increase but it's never been confirmed what he can wish for. He doesn't use it and it's not liable That's a no limits fallacy.

As for the Shikon Jewel, what wish has it granted that wasn't just making the person more powerful in some aspect? Given that's like 99% of what it's done the entire series

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The jewel automatically makes you more powerful that isn't the wish granting part

There's another comment that explains the wishes earlier on

You mean despite the fact Inuyasha confused KAGOME for Kikyo and it was often said again and again that KAGOME inherited Kikyo's spiritual powers and that KAGOME was Kikyo's reincarnation. And that one of the earlier sticking points in Inu and KAGOME's relationship was her being all upset about Inu still having feelings for Kikyo, despite Kikyo by that point being a walking corpse trying to kill them and Naraku.

You make it sound as if the Shikon Jewel just bamfed into KAGOME while ignoring the 700yr difference between events and her literally falling into the past was still 50yrs after Kikyo's death and after Inuyasha was nailed to a tree by one of her sacred arrows.

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You should read the manga and watch the final anime

They explain that Kikyo actually has nothing to do with kagome The sacred jewel didn't just pick her kagome made the jewel. she had the four elements needed to create it.

Be sure the same spiritual powers because the original priestess was reincarnated in the kikio.

kagome only got the spiritual powers and you became the new reincarnation for the battle Inuyasha.

Demons wish inside of the jewel made all of that happen. Kagome doesn't actually come from the future she actually caught from a different world that's just got a similar history.

Kagome was a wish she was created with the looks of Kikyo and the spiritual powers of the original priestess

I don't see how Ainz loses. If Naraku tries to use the Jewel, it'll have no effect on Ainz and instead expose it to being destroyed. And since we know the Jewel is fragile as al heck, Ainz can point a bony finger and wipe it out with Greater Break Item. And there goes Naraku's biggest gun right there

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Naraku is fused to the jewel if they could have broken again they would have done so it's something they actually tried to do you have to kill naraku to get rid of the jewel

The entire plot of inuyasha relies on the fact that the jewel has one wish to fulfill the demons wish to continue the battle and the priestess which the stop it which at the end of the series was fulfilled.


to accomplish both it have to pull a lot of strings kagome and naraku were created to fulfill the wishes. It was destiny that it was going to end that way.

It really depends on how you take it has granted every wish that has been wished upon it.

Several characters have stated it can do any but the jewel itself seems to decide on how the wishes going to act out.

Kikyo was granted instantaneously the jewel went to the Afterlife with her but then it decided to come out anyway.

Naraku successfully erase the soul of the old Priestess from existence

And the Jewel destroyed itself immediately after kagome's wish.

Naraku's wish to be with Kikyo was never fulfilled until both of them were dead cheap way to get to heaven but okay

Although at the time the jewel was actively being counterproductive so it could fulfill its own wish

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This guy explained it better I'll wait for him to get back

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[Overlord_Rei]

This kinda needs some backing. What in Overlord links corrosion with poison?

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Poisons can also burn and can cause necrosis. Venom used by snakes, spiders and other creatures is just a specialized type of poison, and the type used by most spiders is used to dissolve the insides and organs of their prey for consumption.

Also going by wiki;

Corrosives are different from poisons in that corrosives are immediately dangerous to the tissues they contact, whereas poisons may have systemic toxic effects that require time to become evident. Colloquially, corrosives may be called poisons but the concepts are technically distinct. However, there is nothing which precludes a corrosive from being a poison; there are substances that are both corrosives and poisons.

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So there is a correlation. Plus Ainz literally bathes in slimes.

 

[Jawaunw12]

And Demons are always truthful? Considering Ainz has no reason to lie and that the explanation is made by way of the Narrator/Author, we'd be far more inclined to believe its capabilities over the Jewels whose main usage has just been power-amping the current user. Even with Koga, all his shards did was make him faster and make his kicks and wind powers stronger.

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The sacred jewel automatically increases demon powers it doesn't matter about the wish at all on that.

That's if using the Jewel itself to wish itself away. Not the same thing as being wished out of existence by a completely separate power that doesn't have the same limitations as the Jewel.

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she said anytime that jewel is summoning it will cease to exist at some point and then come back around five hundred years. If we can believe the demons and by what the Creator said it makes perfect sense that Kagome actually made the sacred jewel from the future world.

The jewel is only ever made when someone with four powerful emotional elements and spiritual abilities create inside of their body like the original Priestess.

Demons wish inside of the jewel made all of that happen. Kagome doesn't actually come from the future she actually caught from a different world that's just got a similar history.

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It's never actually explained where Kagome come from the future or a different world the demons say it's a different world but Kagome and Inuyasha flatouts say that she's from the future

Wildly incorrect. The Shikon Jewel cannot create life from nothing. It can create from its own power. Ainz can specifically summon a number of undead per day with his skills at no personal cost to himself. Doing so normally, following the rules of the game, sets a Time Limit on how long they remain before disappearing. However, in the New World, if he uses the correct medium for his undead creation, they become permanent unless destroyed. Something Ainz himself tested and proved

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That's virtually the same thing as creating life from nothing if a reality warper made life he's still using his own power

As already proven that is no longer the case. Only within the game did it have an upward of 200 options and when cast would only give you between 10-20 random options. That aspect of the spell no longer applies. It is no longer limited in that way. Ainz could make just about any wish he wanted with more powerful wishes requiring a greater sacrifice of exp to make them reality. The only thing it cannot do is overwrite the effects of a World-Class Item or operate on the same scale as one.

As for the Shikon Jewel, what wish has it granted that wasn't just making the person more powerful in some aspect? Given that's like 99% of what it's done the entire series

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I've already made a comment showing wishes were made and all of them were fulfilled

Ains wishes ring we have no idea what he can make. he had 200 original wishes and when he started talking about it he says they increased. to say that he can wish for anything is a no limits it should not be used we have never seen how far to ring can go

Except the Shikon Jewel isn't the actual afterlife. It's just it's own pocket spiritual space. Yes, Ainz is the one Player we follow. You ignore the fact that other Players have been in the New World before and have influenced the world in numerous ways. Including a group being worshiped as the Six Gods of the Slaine Theocracy, and another group becoming the Eight Kings of Greed. We also know the Platinum Dragon Lord is keeping guard over a Guild Weapon. So while Ainz is the only one we follow, to say that the changes only apply to him is completely absurd. These satchels are things every high-level player has. It's a common item.

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Yes something that virtually any isekai character gets is it really that special it's not even really treated as a separate space can he go into it then it shouldn't even really be talked about.

Unless you're going to say that he can destroy someone's item box which we have never seen him do. So they aren't comparable

Poisons can also burn and can cause necrosis. Venom used by snakes, spiders and other creatures is just a specialized type of poison, and the type used by most spiders is used to dissolve the insides and organs of their prey for consumption.

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Naraku miasmas all have different effects one will disintegrate you I don't know how it does that but it did others will melt you and some have a lot of spiritual facts

One of them attacks the Mind Body and Soul at the exact same time others would just create random illusions he can even turn his miasma into mini demons that can fend off the wind scar

The entire plot of inuyasha relies on the fact that the jewel has one wish to fulfill the demons wish to continue the battle and the priestess which the stop it which at the end of the series was fulfilled.


to accomplish both it have to pull a lot of strings kagome and naraku were created to fulfill the wishes. It was destiny that it was going to end that way.

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The problem wasn't the fact that they had these wishes it's the fact that they contradicted each other

So that you will have to go out of its way just to get them to work at the exact same time

I don't understand why we're on the wishes at all Naraku does not use the jewel to wish for anything other than his one goal to be with Kikyo and to erase the Priestess

And ains in character is not going to use the ring

I feel like we should have someone that knows both series well to talk about this I'm good with inuyasha I'm actually very bad with Overlord

 

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we know the wishes increase but it's never been confirmed what he can wish for. He doesn't use it and it's not liable That's a no limits fallacy.

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Except we know that's not true because we've clearly seen what it can't do; Override WCI's. And we know what it could do before, which ranged anywhere from raising the dead, doling out cash, creating random items, etc etc. It could do a wide range of things prior to those restrictions being removed in the New World.

They explain that Kikyo actually has nothing to do with kagome The sacred jewel didn't just pick her kagome made the jewel. she had the four elements needed to create it.

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¬_¬ How did KAGOME create it when she didn't;
1. Even know of its existence.
2. Didn't believe in the super-natural despite her family being caretakers to an old shrine.
3. Took no active role in doing so.
4. It just being found inside her body upon her being transported into the past.

That also contradicts what others have said in that the Shikon Jewel just reforms after 500 or so years.

Demons wish inside of the jewel made all of that happen. Kagome doesn't actually come from the future she actually caught from a different world that's just got a similar history.

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That's already debatable in and of itself since it's not clear if that's true or not, given KAGOME has several times met historical figures in the past. Including the ancestor of one of her classmates.

Naraku is fused to the jewel if they could have broken again they would have done so

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Not if Naraku is blocking their attempts, given the Jewel is very much his weak point and having it scatter again would very much hurt his plans. Never mind that, again, they've never had anything like Reality Slash that makes any attempt to protect the Jewel moot. Naraku can't shield it and Ainz has spells that can directly attack spiritual or intangible beings as well.

to accomplish both it have to pull a lot of strings kagome and naraku were created to fulfill the wishes. It was destiny that it was going to end that way.

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Aaaaand none of that matters. The fact it took decades of build up in one era and centuries in another for KAGOME shows just how limited its on wish-granting properties are.

That's virtually the same thing as creating life from nothing if a reality warper made life he's still using his own power

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What life did it actually create? It didn't create KAGOME. She was still born naturally with a mother and father. She didn't poof into being. Same with Onigumo, Naraku's original human form. All you can say is that it subtly manipulated things to get its own wish granted. In which case the actual wish-granting properties of the Jewel are bullshit.

Ains wishes ring we have no idea what he can make. he had 200 original wishes and when he started talking about it he says they increased.

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Wrong. I already posted the entire quote. He said the spell itself changed. Not that more options suddenly became available.

Yes something that virtually any isekai character gets is it really that special it's not even really treated as a separate space can he go into it then it shouldn't even really be talked about.

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Hardly any isekai figure gets that. One of the few that does is Naofumi and only because he has the Legendary Shield and he didn't even know for the first chunk of the series that it could even store items for later use and retrieval. He actually had to transport and carry shit the normal way.

Unless you're going to say that he can destroy someone's item box which we have never seen him do. So they aren't comparable

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He can rob the and that's certainly something you had to watch out for. And there's still a difference in that Ainz's item box is not physical to begin with. The Jewel is still very much an object that can be interacted with. Ainz's storage is not.

One of them attacks the Mind Body and Soul

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Ainz is immune to mental effects and the other effects haven't shown the ability necessary to bypass Ainz's passive resistances, let alone prove its of a separate elemental property that Ainz can't just either ignore or absorb to heal himself.

he can even turn his miasma into mini demons that can fend off the wind scar

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Creatures so weak Ainz literally doesn't even have to defend himself. And they don't fend off the Wind Scar. Naraku just uses them as a meat shield to take the attack so he doesn't have to. Doesn't work later when Inuyasha starts pulling out stronger moves like the Backlash Wave and Adamant Barrage. Nvm the Red Tessaiga with its anti-barrier properties. But like I said before, since these things don't have any special resistance to insta-death, Ainz's Despair Aura can drop any creature or demon Naraku throws at him without Ainz ever having to do anything but stand there.

Or if he feels like somewhat trying he can just use Negative Burst like he did against the swarm of Archangel Flames.