Muichiro Tokito (Demon Slayer) vs Alucard Tepes (Castlevania)

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Both sides are current animated versions only.

Death or KO.

Both have standard gear.

Both trying to kill the other.

Battle in a forest of lost souls Mortal Kombat on a full moon night.

Demon slayer Season 4 is on Netlfix now, and Castlevania Nocturne came out last week. Perfect time.
 
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..uhh, brother, vs battles is telling this guy is 2C, you sure this ain't a stomp thread?
 
2c? What the hell that means?

Characters or objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy small multiverses which can be comprised of several separate space-time continuums ranging anywhere from two to a thousand, or equivalents.

This^

Hey there, here in spacebattles we do not use other boards to reach a consensus, just saying anyway and most of us here(Me included) consider VSBW to not be a reliable source anyway

Just saying


I know, but usually they're not that far off...at least from what I've seen till now
 
Ummmmm..... my dude.... when has Alucard destroy a multiverse in the netflix show... like seriously man what the fuck? If VS Battle state this it's full of fucking idiots. 😆

I mean, I never watched the show so I tought i could find some of his abilities there only to find time pause soul based rege regen nullification and some other overpowered bs

What's a kid with a sword supposed to do against that?


Edit: nvm, I'm the idiot, they have a separate page for the Netflix version

That's what happens when you're blind
 
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VSB is usually incredibly unreliable and overinflated or misinterprets nearly everything.

As for the fight, Muichiro blitzes and one-shots.


The subsonic with a somehow relativistic+ reaction speed in his profile is all I needed to figure that out really

I don't know how that would even work but if what they claim about him being subsonic is correct Muichiro speed blitzes

The OP should probably equalize speed
 
Well ignoring the fact that I wanna hide in a hole currently how fast is he?

if he isn't fast enough he will get speed blitzed because that's the demon hunter's first move when facing opponents lacking in the speed department

Calcs have put him Sonic to Super Sonic I seen.

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Sypha reacts to a explosion point blank, but alucard is faster than her by far.

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Various Vampires and Night creatures all slower than Alucard making FTE speed attacks and after image punches and such.

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Richter and Tera are slower than alucard yet able to casually react to and out speed Musket balls with confirm speeds of 1300-17000 FPS, faster than sound easy.

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As seen Vampires and Night Creatures breaking sound barriers in animation and reacted too by Richter and Isaac. All here still slower than Alucard.

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Alucard moving way faster than human eyesight while testing Trevor skills. Trevor who already has super human speed reactions.

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Alucard moving too fast for FTE top tier Vampire Generals like Empress Cho can keep up with or perceive.

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Alucard himself seems to break 3 sound barriers feet apart distance of the last.

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Alucard moving and attacking so fast their is major delay reaction to the force and momentum of the Night Creature body parts cut off.

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Dracula who is easily by far one of the fastest Vamps getting mostly blitz by his son, with unreal massive air turbulence effects from the human size Alucard as he flies by.

I will let others decide how fair these assessments are.

No, he's just not a shounen anime character with shounen speed or scaling.
He has speed and scaling. As above shows. Saying he is not anime shounen means nothing. castlevania displays speed and reactions better than Demon hunter to be honest who dont bother with sound barriers broken in the animation or art, just FTE and after image attacks. Which Castlevania has too.

Hell we want to debunk Demon Slayer speeds Upper Tier 4 Demon was hit easy and casually by shot gun bullets. The gun powder and muzzle speed of only 1500 FPS speeds. Tagging these super speedy Upper 4 tier demons every time.

Is Alucard THAT weak in the show version of Castlevania?

No he is not that weak.

Respect Thread for Netflix Version
 
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Sypha reacts to a explosion point blank, but alucard is faster than her by far.
You mean the explosion that takes a couple seconds to even go off, telegraphed by some glowing? Even I could react to that explosion if I had magic.
Various Vampires and Night creatures all slower than Alucard making FTE speed attacks and after image punches and such.
Great. Still slower than Tokito, who even in his un-Marked state can blitz Tanjiro.
Alucard moving way faster than human eyesight while testing Trevor skills. Trevor who already has super human speed reactions.
Trevor also notably reacts. Meanwhile Muichiro while holding back can still trade blows with and avoid Upper 5's hits, and with his Mark no-diffs him.
Alucard moving too fast for FTE top tier Vampire Generals like Empress Cho can keep up with or perceive.
Yeah, Muichiro moves FTE to Gyokko, who has feats of reacting and dodging Muichiro's blade when it's just centimeters from his neck; the blade itself is easily in the supersonic range.
Alucard himself seems to break 3 sound barriers feet apart distance of the last.
That's not the impressive feat you think it is; it just means he sped up, slowed down, and sped up again twice. You can't break the sound barrier more once you've already broken it. Not to mention that that's not really a vapor cone, just a stylized wind shockwave from moving quickly, and even if it was he's literally running in a straight line while accelerating. Muichiro can maneuver at supersonic speeds.
Alucard moving and attacking so fast their is major delay reaction to the force and momentum of the Night Creature body parts cut off.
This is unquantifiable because that's not how force or momentum works.
Dracula who is easily by far one of the fastest Vamps getting mostly blitz by his son, with unreal massive air turbulence effects from the human size Alucard as he flies by.
Dracula then catches him, showing that Alucard's speed comes from bullrushing along linear trajectories rather than reacting or acting at those speeds. And if we want to talk about air turbulence, Muichiro's Mist Breathing allows him to slash once with such force that it blows a cloud of poison out of the clearing they're in.
castlevania displays speed and reactions better than Demon hunter to be honest
Uh huh. Tell me you didn't see the Akaza vs Rengoku or Gyutaro vs Tengen fights without telling me it, yeah? Nothing in Castlevania compares in speed to the final clash between Gyutaro and Tengen, or Muichiro slicing apart the 10,000 fish attack.
who dont bother with sound barriers broken in the animation or art
I mean, clearly they do to some degree.
 
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Most of your debunks seem to just brush off, hand waving, or show something comparable.

Also why does Dracula after a long ass time finally predicting and countering the speed blitz discredits the Speed alucard had? Dracula was blitz most of the fight till he finally counter it by his son.

Trevor reacting is not a anti feat as Trevor is super human in speed, and Alucard was holding back to test him, not going all out. Still press trevor to the max of his limits and moving way FTE.

You complaint he blast took forever to go off, but so fucking what? Sypha had no ice barrier up when the blast does goes off. She makes a ice barrier after the blast happens when you go frame by frame of animation. So whats your point there?

As for the last part...


What sound barrier is shown broken? All I see is wind and turbulence.
 
Also why does Dracula after a long ass time finally predicting and countering the speed blitz discredits the Speed alucard had? Dracula was blitz most of the fight till he finally counter it by his son.
Because Alucard doesn't meaningfully respond to avoid the much slower hand reaching out to stop him. It shows that his speed in this scene is faster than his own reflexes and can only be used when leaping in a straight line, not when maneuvering in combat.
Trevor reacting is not a anti feat as Trevor is super human in speed, and Alucard was holding back to test him, not going all out. Still press trevor to the max of his limits and moving way FTE.
Never said it was an antifeat, just that it's not all that impressive.
You complaint he blast took forever to go off, but so fucking what? Sypha had no ice barrier up when the blast does goes off. She makes a ice barrier after the blast happens when you go frame by frame of animation. So whats your point there?
Most of the area in front of them is visibly obscured by the slowly glowing blast before it goes off and you can see Sylvia moving before the blast goes off.
What sound barrier is shown broken? All I see is wind and turbulence.
The shockwave from his motion is the white burst around him; it's commonly how Ufotable animates that kind of thing.
 
I've recently been rereading analyzing feats in DS, i'm on my phone, I can't really properly comment for now but tengen does explicitly break the sound barrier
 
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I've recently been rereading analyzing feats in DS, i'm on my phone, I can't really properly comment for now but tengen does explicitly break the sound barrier

I dont think anyone is arguing, not me anyway, that they aren't sonic, just that animation wise they dont break sound barriers where Castlevania does so several times. People down Castlevania speeds, for no reason when there is so many consistent Sonic feats for the characters slower than Alucard himself. That was the point.









Unless we want to PRETEND that Nichirin metal buck shot moves faster than normal lead balls of a shotgun shell magically somehow?
 
Unless we want to PRETEND that Nichirin metal buck shot moves faster than normal lead balls of a shotgun shell magically somehow?
I mean, those are all clones of Hantengu that are substantially weaker than any Upper Moon (given Tanjiro could fight one of them off on his own) and probably even only on or a little above a Lower Moon level, not to mention that they deliberately let him shoot them to split bodies at the beginning.
 
The clones also do react and/or dodge bullets multiple times in the fight with the only times of them being shot being as Starsight said on purpose or by surprise (Of which they still react to the bullets when surprised).

The only time this isn't the case is one scene in the anime but not only does that same scene in the manga show a different action it can be explained to be caused by other factors.

Also could be noted that the Clones never truly use their speed to the fullest the entire fight (They literally stood or did a little hopping around in the first part of the fight) and they only start using their more serious speed once Tanjiro starts locating the Main Body.
 
I mean, those are all clones of Hantengu that are substantially weaker than any Upper Moon (given Tanjiro could fight one of them off on his own) and probably even only on or a little above a Lower Moon level, not to mention that they deliberately let him shoot them to split bodies at the beginning.

Those "clones" kept up fine with Tanjiro and Nezku, and both is faster than he likely was in Entertainment District vs Daki and Gyutaro. So I dont buy this excuse those "clones" are slow.

Add to that the SOUND WAVE attacks were still tagging the team of Demon hunters who by this arc should be casual super sonic and easily run away or dodge the attacks. In fact they got caught up alot in it including a damn Hashira.

Then Tanjro and Nezku kept up with the Hatred clone, aven after Tanjiro was with foot injury too boot.

The clones also do react and/or dodge bullets multiple times in the fight with the only times of them being shot being as Starsight said on purpose or by surprise (Of which they still react to the bullets when surprised).

The only time this isn't the case is one scene in the anime but not only does that same scene in the manga show a different action it can be explained to be caused by other factors.

Yet we are using Anime version not Manga, so n need to bring it up at all here.

Also could be noted that the Clones never truly use their speed to the fullest the entire fight (They literally stood or did a little hopping around in the first part of the fight) and they only start using their more serious speed once Tanjiro starts locating the Main Body.

Ahhh yes, the old excuse of "they just didnt try to win" when they kept saying how they needed to win and quickly half the time. Sure,..... great counter.
 
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Yet we are using Anime version not Manga, so n need to bring it up at all here.
Ok,I didn't read the OP because i was just here to provide some info.

If you want my honest opinion he wins anyways.
Ahhh yes, the old excuse of "they just didnt try to win" when they kept saying how they needed to win and quickly half the time. Sure,..... great counter.
Is there a reason your pressed?

They literally didn't move much in the beginning of the fight,Have in the anime dodged bullets,and when some of them did start moving they were keeping pace/occasionally outspeeding with Tanjiro who dodged sound near the beginning of the fight.

Never said "They didn't try" but they weren't moving much at the beginning.

Also who am i countering? I was supplying info not arguing?
 
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Those "clones" kept up fine with Tanjiro and Nezku, and both is faster than he likely was in Entertainment District vs Daki and Gyutaro. So I dont buy this excuse those "clones" are slow.

Add to that the SOUND WAVE attacks were still tagging the team of Demon hunters who by this arc should be casual super sonic and easily run away or dodge the attacks. In fact they got caught up alot in it including a damn Hashira.
The clones were good enough to keep up with them, yes, but Tanjiro was getting fodderized during the Entertainment District by Gyutaro (even poisoned Gyutaro who was recovering from full body paralysis beat the shit out of him before Tengen saved him).

And no? Tanjiro gets hit once by the sonic attack in midair where he couldn't dodge, gets hit by the small ones by surprise, and then rolls and dodges another sonic attack immediately afterward when he's ready for it despite being heavily injured and nearly rendered unconscious by the shockwaves and lightning.

And Mitsuri only got hit by it once when Tanjiro distracted her and she was in midair; right before and after that, she cuts soundwaves and lightning apart effortlessly.
Then Tanjro and Nezku kept up with the Hatred clone, aven after Tanjiro was with foot injury too boot.
They literally didn't? Nezuko gets stomped on, and even Marked Tanjiro (who was fast enough to blitz the weaker clones) gets swallowed and nearly crushed before Mitsuri saves him, with Tanjiro explicitly stating that Zohakuten is attacking too quickly for him to even use any Breathing Techniques.

You have to ignore the actual fight to come to this conclusion.
 
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