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Anonymous 08/23/23(Wed)14:48:55 No.95551013▶>>95552055 >>95552172
Let my competitors please adopt AWS, k8s and microservices. We run our monoliths on a few $/mo VPSs while our competitors run 1000-100000s $ per month (literally met the CTO of a UK competitor a few weeks ago at a meetup and he explained their prod + staging for their few clients is now up to $80k/mo at aws; comparing to run around $2000 in total hosting for all our clients together for staging, prod + test. Of course that competitor is playing with investor money so they don't care). Our way requires vastly less resources; humans & machines, so we run far higher margins (in our industry, pricing is identical for all including the sales discounts that are given), we sleep better and more (monoliths are so much easier/faster to debug and deploy) and when things are down (like last year) in the market, we have stacks of profits while two of the top competitors had to get new funding to not just disappear (both did get the funding).

I wish everyone many microservices and cutting edge frontend frameworks!
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Anonymous 09/03/23(Sun)10:38:04 No.95768984▶>>95769011 >>95771625
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>>95768348 (OP)
because they are lazy and don't want to hire for it, and think it's some magic button solution. like i honestly don't think that people have properly grasped that putting it on the "cloud" means you're putting it on someone else's computer, in which you do not own, control, or have physical access to.
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Anonymous 09/03/23(Sun)20:04:45 No.95775004▶
>>95769758
This. The most important department of any organization is the tax department. So long as the hidden costs of a tax write-off do not exceed the value returned, the tax write-off will win over all other policy considerations.
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Anonymous 09/03/23(Sun)20:31:10 No.95775313▶>>95775522
>>95775080
>pay 25 bucks per month to keep a good fucking strong server
>25 bucks
what planet are you on? Last I check all 3 companies in OP's picrel is like $200/month for 1st gen raspberry pi equivalent server and like 5 GB storage. All that WITHOUT that region duplication shit--forgot what it's called... it's where they clone your shit to another data center incase something happens to the one you've chosen. That'll increase your price by 2-3 times lol

This was roughly 5 years ago but still even for back then, it was insanely overpriced. That or I'm retarded and could not find the reasonably priced stuff to save my life.

Otherwise yeah those are all valid points IMO
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Anonymous 09/03/23(Sun)15:11:12 No.95771793▶
The problem in my experience is that people think that "the cloud" is this magical thing and everyday considerations for computing and how your application will perform is just disregarding because "the cloud" will solve all of our problems. I've gotten really pissed off at witnessing just how retarded some people are, where think think "Oh don't worry, we've using Amazon Aurora. It's a cloud optimized database service." Meanwhile I observe that they've completely disregarded babby's first database design and have put together the most horrific, disgusting piece of shit database schema I've ever seen. They're "solving" it by throwing more and more instances at it and it drives me absolutely insane that no one is willing to take a step back and fix the actual problem (GARBAGE DATABASE DESIGN AND GARBAGE QUERIES).

I've encountered these kinds of disasters multiple times now and it still shocks me that people don't realize we're still dealing with computers, and we still need to understand how they work. AWS is treated like this magic thing that just solves everyone's problems when in reality there's a pattern of AWS creating more and more headaches and it comes at an enormous cost (literally).

As usual, cloud services are pretty powerful. You can do some neat things with them if you understand your domain well and which services fit well. The problem is you have complete retards doing RDD (resume driven development) and shoehorn whatever meme shit they want to do.
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Anonymous 09/03/23(Sun)17:07:57 No.95773054▶>>95773781
>>95773004
>Be clueless beancounter/manager
>Check IT dept.
>Servers have technical issues all the time, need constant maintenance/upkeep
>Expensive employees are needed to keep it running
>Problem even worse if you need a lot of hardware/server rooms or buildings to pay for
>Calculate that this cloud thing a manager from another corp. told me about is cheaper than cost of hardware+employees
>Restructuring time commence
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Anonymous 09/04/23(Mon)00:40:15 No.95779355▶
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On-prem and colo aren't the same thing. In the latter case, someone else is caring about the internet, cooling and electricity.
Besides, I've seen multiple cloud components outages in the past. Several minutes, but still. Enough to bring them down from 99.999% to 99.99%.
Anyway, most issues don't happen due to hardware failures. They happen because of software or people abusing said software without a thought, be it too many VMs on one server, sysctl misconfuguration, introduction of an additional software with side effects, or programmers cramming TBs of data into one DB overnight, or doing select * from tablewith100500lines order by random() limit 15; <--- a real case, btw.
That won't go away when you switch to a cloud, it will become worse because cloud hypervisors limit I/O proportionally to the amount of storage space that you pay for. 30GB? 2K IOPS. 40GB? 2.5K IOPS, and so forth. Lazy solutions will grind the whole infra to a halt, or will make your company pay several times more than with on-prem hardware.
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Anonymous 09/03/23(Sun)18:19:10 No.95773766▶
>>95768348 (OP)
I block them all on my bare metal server.

Cloud is a meme, and it is part of a campaign to continue limiting the ability of the individual to compete effectively. Cloud use a jewy nickel-and-dime approach to everything, whereas a co-located server just has fixed monthly cost.

The only plausible benefit of "cloud" is being able to benefit from the newest tech without having to foot the upfront cost....though my old server is chugging along just fine.

Cloud has enabled bloated, incompetent "saas" type bullshit to proliferate, and gives anonymity to these assholes who run non-stop malware/exploit attacks against the internet at large.
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Anonymous 09/03/23(Sun)22:34:02 No.95777059▶>>95778617
>>95776304
i guess you've never worked in a serious business anyone who respects himself employ dedicate servers, only trash organizations use the so called "cloud" because they usually go bankrupt within 3-5 years since their establishment, so they don't need to own or maintain machines.
if you don't see physical infrastructure in your environment the business you are working in is a fraud and will collapse
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Anonymous 09/03/23(Sun)23:08:37 No.95777638▶
>>95768348 (OP)
>google deletes 2-year dormant accounts
>deletes your cloud data
>re"furbish" said drives to other clients
it's a fucking scam.
amazon is also cringe since they sanctioned Louis Rossman for saying stuff against the "nigger doorbell report" thing (no one was at home, and employee reported home for racism).
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