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Anonymous 10/07/23(Sat)07:28:00 No.96488576▶
>>96487852
Corporations get fined ("pay a tax") for not meeting some pollution reduction goal and the cost of these installations are both passed on to the price you pay and subsidized via tax write offs.

Let's say my business makes $1000 a year and anti-pollution equipment, cost, fees, and/or taxes get made into law and now I have to pay $100 a year via whatever means.
My costs to operate haven't changed but my cost to exist just increased 9%.
To make the same money I have to raise the price you pay more than 9% to now cover the extra business profit tax.

It's all a racket to make big number go up because we have to win big number game so number must go up. GDP and debt and rates and.

You see where this is going?
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Anonymous 10/07/23(Sat)07:37:20 No.96488790▶
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>>96481119 (OP)
They make energy at the wrong time. Peak grid demand hits after the sun sets unless you live extremely far north during the summer. Most solar users don't have enough battery capacity to carry they over the peak demand, because battery are extremely expensive.
So what happens is solar users run on solar during the day, then just as peak demand starts they switch over to grid power. Now that grid generation is levelized to deliver lower costs by offsetting the capital costs of the plant by making money all day then peaking , before dropping to 20% overnight.
With solar people don't pay during the day and expect to get the levelized rate of the grid at peak demand. All solar is is a way for rich people to steal from the poor.
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Anonymous 10/07/23(Sat)09:52:28 No.96491557▶>>96491935 >>96491968 >>96492612
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>>96491427
>>cost of running those gas generators are part of the cost of running solar
>That's quite disingenuous anon and you know it
>Gas and other systems aren't built around PV/wind but the other way around, they were already there and simply get less usage/you need less installed power overall
Without gas turbines wind and solar are completely unsuited to the grid, little more than bribes paid at the expense or rate payers.
If you don't want gas, you can add 5 to 10 times the cost of solar in batteries. Either way pure wind and solar isn't an honest measure of cost of electricity from those sources. Hydro is possible but most hydro light regions don't have enough hydro generation to meet peak grid demand. Some do but they tend to just be almost pure hydro anyway.

Pic related it's how solar actually works. You build a huge solar park to get the government subsidies then you just run natural gas turbines to make power and money and call them solar.

>>96491356(You)
>The nuclear "fuel" isn't renewable
Neither is the sun, 600 million tons of hydrogen a second are consumed.
>The sun is infinite for all intents and purposes
With a population of 100 billion using energy at the level of Canadians supplying 100% of the energy need (electrical, heating, transportation), a fleet of nuclear breeder reactors will still have cheap crust source nuclear materials after the sun expands to a red giant and engulfs the Earth in it's outer layers.
How the fuck is nuclear fission not infinite for all intents and purposes if it will out last the fucking planet?
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Anonymous 10/07/23(Sat)10:18:05 No.96492024▶>>96492612
>>96491935
>Yes, a big power company will operate several types of plants, why sit idle when there's no sun when you can make money by other means in the meantime
They don't run extra plants to make more money, they run the because solar can't function at the grid level without standby hot gas turbines ready to take up the slack almost instantly.

>Yes, gas and other backup systems are still needed for a functioning grid
So you need to include those backup systems into the total operational costs of solar/wind. That is dollars and emissions.

>Grid parity was reached over a decade ago nigga
But it wasn't if you account for all the costs needed to function as the grid. Solar is just natural gas with extra steps.

>Shit makes money with and without subsidies
Not on a fair market where grid operators are not forced to buy solar. The largest solar plant in the US went bankrupt even with massive subsidies, being able to sell gas generated power as solar with those subsidies.

>Please, tell me how over one third of the power generated in a country over a whole year is a negligible amount and uniquely driven by taxpayer money
Because the utilities were forced or subsidized to generate solar. In no actually free market has anyone built solar. That is without subsidy and without requirement.
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