Wikipedia says there are other, possibly better ways to define the Planck Units based on whether we want to factor in or out a or a or a as the case may be. Most of them represent scales above or below which our models stop working. Before one Planck time after the big bang, the temperature of the universe exceeded the Planck temperature, so we don't have any models to describe this epoch. Distances below the Planck length are assumed to be meaningless. Do these units represent hard limits where our models work just fine on one side but not at all on the other, making their exact definitions important, or do they represent the appropriate order-of-magnitude scales where our models gradually become less useful? How important are their exact definitions to the different theories of quantum gravity?
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4– Jon CusterFeb 12, 2022 at 23:54
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– robert bristow-johnsonSep 5 at 5:55
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I think it's all just order-of-magnitude stuff and factors of etc. are unimportant, but would be happy to be corrected.
Having said that, if someone defined a Planck time and then defined a Planck length to be anything other than then on the face of it they would be being a bit bizarre.
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That's correct. In practice, the only real disagreements about factors of and so on come down to whether you want equations to look simple in the case of spacetime dimensions, or whether you want them to look simple in arbitrary dimensions. Loosely speaking, if you want things to look simple in arbitrary dimensions, then you choose your prefactors such that the differential forms of the various field equations are as simple as possible, since those usually translate the most directly across different numbers of dimensions.– tparkerSep 8 at 3:43
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E.g. for the Einstein field equations, if you're assuming then it might arguably make sense to set , but for arbitrary dimensions you'd definitely want to set , because the prefactor for (the equivalent of) is different in different dimensions. So the most natural choice is definitely to choose units where the EFE is just .– tparkerSep 8 at 3:46
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I think it would be better to leave a in the EFE.This way, the GEM equations (which is what we get in weak gravitational fields and reasonably flat spacetime) look exactly like Maxwell's equations for EM and both the speed of gravitational radiation and the characteristic impedance of gravitational radiation (in vacuo) are normalized to . Sep 8 at 18:18
I've been a little disappointed by the changes made in the last couple years to the Wikipedia articles on Planck Units. There are pretty good reasons for defining Planck units as "rationalized Planck units". These units would result in these four dimensionful scaling factors to be set to one:
Specifically, in terms of any other system of units, these Rationalized Planck Units are:
Planck units help us to understand which constants of nature are truly fundamental and which are simply a consequence of human-defined units of physical quantity.
The current and mostly undisputed position of physicists publishing about it is that only the dimensionless universal constants are fundamental.
Trialogue on the number of fundamental constants
Comment on time-variation of fundamental constants
How fundamental are fundamental constants?
Now, it might be easier to think that is a fundamental constant, but it isn't. I will insist that and choose my units for that to be the case, and that is that. There is no meaning to the question "What if were different?" And that's because it's not dimensionless and is merely a reflection on what units we use to express it. If you use the rationalized Planck Units, , Gauss's Law will equate gravitational flux density with gravitational field strength (making the conversion factor between the two concepts is equal to ), and with , then the speed of propagation and characteristic impedance of gravitational radiation are both equal to .
Now there is a dimensionless measure that describes what you mean by the strength of gravity and that is the Gravitational Coupling Constant
which is very similar to the Fine Structure Constant,
except it's about gravitation and not about EM. For some reason (likely political), the Wikipedia page about it has been removed (even from the Wikipedia archive) but there are other sites that have mirrored that page that still exist.
It's not hard to see that the fine-structure constant, , is simply the square of the elementary charge to Planck charge ratio. It's a dimensionless number that, using historical Planck units, is . But using rationalized Planck units, . The elementary charge is well within an order of magnitude from the natural unit of charge (that result in wave speed and characteristic impedance ).
The gravitational coupling constant is the square of the ratio of the electron mass to the Planck mass. And, again, using rationalized Planck units, the electron mass is about . Compare that to and we can see that the gravitational attraction of two electrons in free space is far, far less than the electrostatic repulsion of the same. That is the dimensionless expression of the strength of gravity (in comparison to another fundamental force, EM) and gravity is, indeed, very weak. But, from the POV of Planck units, it's really because the mass of an electron is very very small while the charge of an electron is not very small at all.
Indeed, Frank Wilczek puts it quite well in Scaling Mount Planck: A view from the bottom (Physics Today 2001):
We see that the question [posed] is not, "Why is gravity so feeble?" but rather, "Why is the proton's mass so small?" For in natural (Planck) units, the strength of gravity simply is what it is, a primary quantity, while the proton's mass is the tiny number [1/(13quintillion)].
All of the other particle masses in the Standard Model can be expressed in terms of the electron mass, as dimensionless values.
That is the number to be considering in fine-tuning arguments.
Likewise, the Coulomb Constant () is not fundamental. But, similarly, the strength of EM is represented by the Fine Structure Constant, which is the square of the ratio of the elementary charge to the Planck charge (or better yet, the rationalized Planck charge). That number is fundamental.
It's just not accurate to be making the case that life would be different if the Newton constant were different or if the Coulomb constant were different or if the Planck constant were different or even if , the speed of causality, were different. All they need to be is real, positive, and finite and, if the dimensionless universal constants (those 26 constants enumerated by John Baez) remain unchanged, there is no way that any of us would know the difference.
But the main reason why rationalized Planck units are better than the historically-defined Planck units is that every inverse-square law should be expressed with in the denominator next to the to make it ready to rock 'n roll with Gauss's law. Whether it's EM or gravitational radiation, in natural units, flux density is the same thing as field strength (in a vacuum where the relative permittivity and relative permeability are both 1) and both the speed of propagation (the speed of causality) and the characteristic impedance of free space should be simply 1.
Consider this YouTube video Why is the speed of light what it is? Maxwell equations visualized, which I mostly thought was informative and decently accurate. But at time index 9:55, Arvin Ash asks "Why are and these values?" and answers "No one knows why. They're just the constants of nature."
That answer is just false. And since it's key to the title of the lesson on YouTube, I was both surprised and alarmed by it. Especially regarding , which has an exactly defined mathematical value (or at least did before May 20, 2019).
So, of course we know exactly why . The comes from Gauss's Law ( steradians in a sphere) and the comes from how the Ampere was originally defined (and remained so until 2019). It's the newtons per meter force on the infinite wires spaced one meter apart. So it's just false to say, regarding , that "No one knows why" it takes that value.
Then and (which is a scaled reciprocal of the Coulomb Constant) are directly related. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the leading 3 in and the leading 9 in the Coulomb constant are related. So it's just one or the other. Let's stick with .
The real question is about how these anthropometric units of the second and the meter got defined. Of course they are based on some terrestrial measures (the circumference of the Earth and the speed of rotation of the Earth) and some anthropometric divisions made by humans (10,000,000 meters and 86,400 seconds).
Why was that arc length (from North pole to equator) divided by 10 million instead of, say, 1 million? It's because a unit length that is 30-something feet long is not as practical to people as one that is about the length of us. A meter is about as big as we are.
Why was the solar day divided by about 100,000 instead of, say, 1000? It's because a second is in the ballpark of the smallest time that we can perceive in our consciousness. Maybe a little bit longer, but in the ballpark. It's a measure in how fast we perceive things and think about things. We can have about one or two or maybe three thoughts per second. But if we were tiny like a fly, even though our consciousness might be much simpler, we would be perceiving events on the scale of 0.02 second or even faster. It's likely not coincidental that a second is on the scale of our heart rate and breathing rate.
So instead of asking "Why does light travel 299,792,458 meters in the time of one second?", we should be asking "Why does light travel about human body lengths in the time it takes a human to think a thought?"
Because the first question is exactly the same as asking "Why does light travel one Planck Length in the time of one Planck Time?" along with the questions "Why are there about Planck Lengths in a meter?" and "Why are there about Planck Times in a second?"
Let's look at the first question. It's like asking "Why are there about Planck Lengths in the size of a conscious sapient being like humans?"
That can be broken into three questions: "Why are there about Planck Lengths in the size of atoms (the Bohr radius)?" That is a question for physicists.
Then "Why are there about atoms in the across the width of a typical biological cell?" That is a question for micro-biologists.
Then "Why are there about biological cells across the length (in one dimension) of beings like us?" That's a question for biologists to answer.
Similarly we can search for answers to "Why there are about Plank Times in the time it takes us to think a thought?" It might begin with the Rydberg constant and the frequencies of atomic spectra, leading to the rate of chemical reactions, of enzyme catalyzed reaction, metabolism, and eventually the rate of functioning of organs including muscles and neurology.
So if we can answer why there are about Planck lengths across a complex biological being like us (which gives us a sense of scale of length) and why there are about Planck times in the complete functions of our biology (which gives us a sense of scale of time), and those are asking about dimensionless values, then we'll understand why it takes light about one second to move about meters. All the rest of it is simply about historical accident in how units were defined.
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4This answer would be better if the framing about the dimensionlessness of fundamental constants were more prominent and the framing about Wikipedia's edit histories and politics were reduced or removed. The comment by Wilczek, that the feebleness of gravity is about the smallness of , is very insightful. I disagree with your apparent suggestion about using as the "rationalized fine structure constant," because it is powers of which appear in perturbative expansions; compare to the "radian" in the Taylor expansions for trig functions.– rob ♦Sep 5 at 6:59
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Okay @rob, you're not quoting me about "rationalized fine structure constant". I certainly do not think that this well-defined dimensionless constant be defined any differently than it is.in any consistent system of units and it's original meaning is the speed of the electron in the Bohr hydrogen atom relative to the speed of light. Sep 5 at 14:38
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All's I'm saying is that electron speed (which I think is equal to the expected value of the speed in the QM hydrogen atom) is because the quantity of charge that Mother Nature bestowed upon the electron is and there are several HEP articles that also say that . Sep 5 at 14:38
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The "speed of the electron in a hydrogen atom" is not a well-defined observable, in a model where the energy eigenstates are stationary states. I prefer to think of the fine structure constant in terms of the ratio between the binding energy of the ground state and the reduced mass of the unit-charge system — which for hydrogen is pretty much the electron mass.– rob ♦Sep 8 at 16:57
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Well, I was just going with the original Sommerfeld definition. I know that appears nearly everywhere and has lots of different roles. My point still is that because the amount of charge, in natural units, that nature assigned to the electron is . There are some HEP papers that also seem to think that naturally takes that value. If took on a different value, then so would . Sep 8 at 17:25