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@Pandamoanimum no WiFi too so no one can hack into it and make it crunch bitcoin or something

@Nicovel0 @Pandamoanimum And doesn't gratuitously require a phone app to make use of its most basic functions. An app that will be discontinued in 18 months, requiring you to purchase a new refrigerator compatible with the current app...

@arclight @Nicovel0 @Pandamoanimum one that when the company who made the refrigerator goes out of business takes down their server with the security keys stored for your refrigerator. Meaning it turns itself off as it can no longer authenticate...... #vanmoof

@Dasy2k1 @arclight @Nicovel0 @Pandamoanimum never thought we'd get here but goddamn these appliances need a healthy dose of Unix philosophy

@potpie @arclight @Nicovel0 @Pandamoanimum any hardware that's locked to a vendors infrastructure should have a clause that automatically releases all necessary source code under the LGPL or something equivalent in the event of the company ceasing to trade

@Dasy2k1 @potpie @Nicovel0 @Pandamoanimum Code escrow is not just for large organizations at this point.

@Dasy2k1 @potpie @arclight @Nicovel0 @Pandamoanimum I would love that and want to see it, but one of the big factors preventing that from ever happening is vendor code. It's common to have key portions provided by multiple third-party vendors that license their tech out to lots of manufacturers. They're usually not willing to release that code when just one of their customers goes bankrupt.

@danherbert @Dasy2k1 @potpie @arclight @Pandamoanimum and this is why if I buy an appliance I expect to keep 10 years+, I make sure to get an unconnected one, until and if manufacturers get their act together.
And it’s the same for cars, maybe even worse!

@Nicovel0 @danherbert @Dasy2k1 @potpie @arclight @Pandamoanimum

This was played out for us in the short story "Unauthorized Bread" in a really lovely way by;

@pluralistic

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-near-future-tale-of-refugees-and-sinister-iot-appliances/

@mycotropic @Nicovel0 @danherbert @Dasy2k1 @potpie @Pandamoanimum @pluralistic The enshittification is real.

@mycotropic @Nicovel0 @danherbert @Dasy2k1 @potpie @arclight @Pandamoanimum @pluralistic

Change bread for bikes, and Unauthorized Bread is the story of #VanMoof - the bike that needs server connectivity, right down to needing to be hacked to keep working https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/13/cowboy-rides-to-the-rescue-of-vanmoof-owners-with-app-to-unlock-threatened-bikes/

@mycotropic @Nicovel0 @danherbert @Dasy2k1 @potpie @arclight @Pandamoanimum @pluralistic I loved reading Unauthorized Bread. There is a feeling of joy when you learn how to jailbreak a device, and Doctorow captured that feeling beautifully

@berniethewordsmith @mycotropic @Nicovel0 @danherbert @Dasy2k1 @potpie @arclight @Pandamoanimum @pluralistic I especially liked the portrayal of the anxiety stemming from the legal ambiguity of jailbreaking.

If my jailbroken toaster burns down the building will the insurance company deny my claim?

@berniethewordsmith @Nicovel0 @danherbert @Dasy2k1 @potpie @arclight @Pandamoanimum @pluralistic I use your (US) tax dollars to make all of my publications open access, does that count as jailbreaking science? I'm still giving your money away but I'm doing it so that you can read the work you paid me to do.
Or something, science is complicated.

@mycotropic @Nicovel0 @danherbert @Dasy2k1 @potpie @arclight @Pandamoanimum @pluralistic What a great read, thanks for sharing!

@stats_steve @Nicovel0 @danherbert @Dasy2k1 @potpie @arclight @Pandamoanimum

@pluralistic is the author, I just shared the link! I happily recommend every word he's written though!

@Nicovel0

My mother bought a freezer in that era, ~1950-55. And she got really pissy when it broke down, and spoiled a lot of food (it was in store room, seldom checked).
It broke twice; First around 1985, and then ~2000 after which she was "fed up" and didn't want to try to repair it again.

@danherbert @Dasy2k1 @potpie @arclight @Pandamoanimum

@niclas @Nicovel0 @Dasy2k1 @potpie @arclight @Pandamoanimum Refrigerators are one of the few appliances that you're actually better off replacing every 10-15 years. That's generally how long advances in refrigerant chemicals and hardware improvements make a new fridge cheaper (in electricity costs) than keeping an old one.

@Pandamoanimum Remarkable how far cost cutting has gotten since then, huh? Nowadys it''s enough to make it "smart", so your fridge can at least collect data on how often you use the thing.

@Pandamoanimum

ok, now im angry

@ChristophBuck @Pandamoanimum @blogdiva same

@Pandamoanimum I feel like I would buy anything sold to me with this cadence.

@Haste @Pandamoanimum Currently googling how to get her voice into my sat-nav.

@Pandamoanimum "capitalism breeds innovation" haha

@Pandamoanimum @fietsria

now I want the late 50s back!

@vosje62 @Pandamoanimum nou..... dat nou ook weer niet.

De koelkasten en diepvriezers hebben nu no-frost systemen. Niet meer elke X weken ontdooien.

@vosje62 @Pandamoanimum @fietsria

MAKE FRIDGES GREAT AGAIN

@vosje62 @Pandamoanimum @fietsria with Ozone layer destroying freon refrigerant? Hopefully not.

But, yes, some modern fridge features are insane.

A camera inside so you can check on the contents while shopping eg.

Slightly less mad: a door that turns transparent when tapped on.

@samueljohnson @vosje62 @Pandamoanimum @fietsria Can you imagine a fridge built with modern tech but without all the "modern" garbage companies out into them these days and instead built with *actual* features like the ones from the 50s?

@tkk13909 @samueljohnson @vosje62 @Pandamoanimum yes! And if it fits in my kitchen I would buy it

@vosje62 @Pandamoanimum @fietsria I suspect you'd be very happy with the late 50s. I remember the late 50s, early 60s, and would turn the clock back in a heartbeat if I could.

@shuttersparks I ws born in '59, so I don't remember.
But I am very happy with the increased freedom, less discrimination and a lot of the new possibilities, like internet. The cold war is something I remember from the '60 and I am very glad it's over. I don't want to go back.
But we should fight climate change and poverty.

@Pandamoanimum One word: capitalism.

@Eetschrijver @Pandamoanimum

Right - Without capitalism there are no white goods (apart from for the communist elite perhaps).

@Pandamoanimum looks awesome. Thing is, producing crappy, cookie-cutter, uninspired, overpriced junk that falls apart within 5 years (generously speaking) pays more to the shareholders. That's how we got from there to here.

@Pandamoanimum Most people don't want a fridge that requires reading a manual just to put the food in.

@philip @Pandamoanimum So they'd rather dig through stuff and shuffle the freezer contents every time little Timmy wants a popsicle?

I'm lazy. I'll keep the manual handy, and figure it out as needed.

@ksaj @Pandamoanimum Absolutely. This fridge is for the kind of people who like Mastodon.

@ksaj @Pandamoanimum Also, what if I have too many or too few cheeses or bottles or whatever, I'd just have to leave that space empty, or I'd have to put them on the shelves like a regular fridge. And having the freezer inside the fridge is crazy inefficient even without that ice cube gadget taking up a quarter of it. If you want that, why not just put it on the counter next to the fridge?

Had this over-engineered trash come out today, people would be tearing it apart like they did the Juicero.

@philip @Pandamoanimum I have a friend with OCD that would totally love it. Especially if you simply cannot put things in the wrong spot.

Mine would need a special BEER section.

The ice cube removal contraption is both weird and a huge amount of space for what it is.

@philip @ksaj @Pandamoanimum I agree it’s over-engineered, but the sliding shelves are a great idea. The removable crisper too.

But having the freezer in the fridge isn’t inefficient… it can be a really good idea if it is on top, so you can use only one cooling circuit for both (and without mechanical ventilation), with a clever design.

@philip @Pandamoanimum that why they simply put pictures of the intended content on the doors and shelves now days

@Pandamoanimum I also want the late 50s back!

@Myra

Many Mayonnaiseans agree! #BIPOC folks, not so much...
This wytgrrrl is grateful to be able to get a credit card in my own name
Solidarity from Tacoma WA

@Pandamoanimum Yeah, but it probably uses more electricity than the whole country of San Marino, so I think I’ll be happy with the modern refrigerators.

(and don’t forget about the CFCs…)

@polyna @Pandamoanimum why can't we have an efficient one that has the nice shelves and conveniently lifting out vegetable drawer?

@Pandamoanimum , Those look great, but were too expensive for anyone to actually buy back then. THERE were other really expensive REALLY nice fridges then. The expense for the fanciest stuff is still a part of our buying experience. The fancy gets us to the store where a good sales person can rope us into buying something else that is still overpriced, but on payments.

@Pandamoanimum, Same sales tactics with products that don't last as long without needing maintenance. And, every year a new batch of fancy stuff comes out to lure out the ones who didn't see how it really works before... sales people keep their commissions whether you keep paying your bill or not.

@Pandamoanimum This ad from 1975 for a built-in toaster … why arent they a thing!!

@Sandcats @Pandamoanimum I know it's not the same product, but we do have microwave drawers nowadays that are the same concept.

£52 in 1975!!