Driver's license for new characters

[Tempesto 17]

Short description: Give new characters a driver's license when they first join the server.

Detailed description: It's not very realistic for characters to not have a license, as most Americans get one from a young age. Moreover, renting a vehicle without a license is impossible and driving it when you don't know how to drive in order to get a license is not just unrealistic, but also illegal. It's just not a great start. Being forced to take the driving test is also not something that people actually role-play - they just do it because they have to. Most, if not all people get a license anyway so it would be much, much better to just give everyone a driver's license when they make a new character. If they lose it then sure, you'll have to take the test (and there's also some realism behind that, can also be roleplayed and play a part in their character's development). 

Commands to add: N/A

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How would your suggestion improve the server? One less unnecessary hassle when joining the server.

Additional information: N/A

[BINGBONGBALONEY 1,137]

I'd argue it should be required to take the test on a new account at least once on a character but I'd like the OPTION to have a drivers license or not, remember there's still characters out there that wouldn't have or need a driver's license. 

 

Suppose you could have the choice when you spawn in at the airport for the first time and if you opt in to getting your license the fee for the test is taken from your starter money, do agree with the suggestion though.

Edited December 8, 2020 by BINGBONGGHOST

[Varyegar 95]

I would want the tutorial there for anyone creating their first account, as the tutorial shows the person around and tells them about the server, and while it would be possible to remove this  tutorial for any additional characters created, I don't see a massive hurdle in doing it for any new character I create.

 

I can certainly see your appeal to realism, and that no one roleplays it, but it takes about 10-20 minutes the first time you join on a character, so I don't find it that bad.

[Tempesto 17]

  On 12/8/2020 at 6:30 PM, Protheus said:

I would want the tutorial there for anyone creating their first account, as the tutorial shows the person around and tells them about the server, and while it would be possible to remove this  tutorial for any additional characters created, I don't see a massive hurdle in doing it for any new character I create.

 

I can certainly see your appeal to realism, and that no one roleplays it, but it takes about 10-20 minutes the first time you join on a character, so I don't find it that bad.

It's not that bad, but it's useless. Why don't we stare at the door for 20 minutes before we leave the house? Because it's useless. It's not as much about the fact that no one roleplays it, but rather the fact that most people would already have a license and the fact that people are literally renting vehicles at the airport without a driver's license which is straight up impossible. Even if, why would your 50 year old new character not have a driver's license and where did he learn to drive in order to just be required to take the test?

 

No one really follows that tutorial. If you're interested in driving realistically, you'll do that regardless of whether you follow the tutorial or not. It's not like people are taking actual notes of the speed limits and such. If you want to street race, you'll do that regardless. It just makes no sense to have a driver's license test required for everyone.

[The OG Juicebox 33]

  On 12/8/2020 at 6:44 PM, Tempesto said:

No one really follows that tutorial. If you're interested in driving realistically, you'll do that regardless of whether you follow the tutorial or not.

First of all, the driver test lets you know what the speed limits are. Whether you want to know them or not, this is needed for new characters so they aren’t clueless. When’s the last time you checked the penal code for speed limits? 
 

Also almost everyone should be interested in driving realistically. We’re in a heavy RP server. The bigger problem is that no one drives realistically. I’d argue people need a more strict drivers test, not get rid of it. It should be required for someone’s first character, but after that I’d agree to something more expedited. 

Edited December 10, 2020 by Juicebox

[Noir 118]

I'm not going to support this due to the new characters being created for a sole reason, such as roleplaying a 15 year old gangbanger who drives a BMX all around Davis, getting beaten up and beating up people to earn his way in the gang. If that kid gets arrested one day and he's 15 years old, and has a driver's license, it's not very realistic. However, driving licenses are not a problem, you can just take the test and boom, you get it, it's valid for a year. It's nothing biggie, but I'm also gonna go ahead to support this that when you create a new character, you can just /re New character, may I be issued a license?... an admin will have to prove this and give you one. But the driver's license is just a drive and it's not that biggie, it just takes 5 minutes.

[Tempesto 17]

  On 12/10/2020 at 12:29 PM, Juicebox said:

First of all, the driver test lets you know what the speed limits are. Whether you want to know them or not, this is needed for new characters so they aren’t clueless. When’s the last time you checked the penal code for speed limits? 
 

Also almost everyone should be interested in driving realistically. We’re in a heavy RP server. The bigger problem is that no one drives realistically. I’d argue people need a more strict drivers test, not get rid of it. It should be required for someone’s first character, but after that I’d agree to something more expedited. 

Yes, that's one reason why it is important, however the speed limit is a really, really, really small part of it. The rest is just pointless driving around with a huge possiblity of failing the test for a hundred different unknown reasons. No character uses the driving test as part of their character's development, I've never seen it. It's just an unnecessary chore you have to do when you create a new charcter. I'm all for doing it if something IC led to you having your license revoked, but not just because. Just remember that all people who speed around or drive unrealistically have went through this test. People who are driving normally and carefully are doing so because they want to be more realistic, not because the test told them to. It has nothing to do with the test, but the person. The test does nothing and helps no one.

 

Just have a prompt asking whether your character needs a license or they don't (in case they're underage or whatever other reasons) and if you choose yes, have a very short summary of the rules printed in your chat or something.

The driving test is just a very old concept that dates back to the very first RP server which was automatically passed from one to another (just like ads, factions and such, except that this one's useless).

[Guest]

Agreed. They should also cost at least 10 times as much they do now to deter people from speeding like maniacs.

[Tempesto 17]

  On 12/10/2020 at 1:52 PM, Noir said:

I'm not going to support this due to the new characters being created for a sole reason, such as roleplaying a 15 year old gangbanger who drives a BMX all around Davis, getting beaten up and beating up people to earn his way in the gang. If that kid gets arrested one day and he's 15 years old, and has a driver's license, it's not very realistic. However, driving licenses are not a problem, you can just take the test and boom, you get it, it's valid for a year. It's nothing biggie, but I'm also gonna go ahead to support this that when you create a new character, you can just /re New character, may I be issued a license?... an admin will have to prove this and give you one. But the driver's license is just a drive and it's not that biggie, it just takes 5 minutes.

 

As someone was suggesting, you'd be asked whether you want a license or not such that these incidents don't happen. Yeah, it's not a big deal but it is a useless one. Think about it this way - why do something we can just avoid doing? This driving test does not improve roleplay, does not aid character development, just gets in the way. The first thing someone does when they join is drive to get a driver's license (which is unrealistic already, you wouldn't be able to get a rental). Why do we get some intial money? We could work for that 5k or whatever, but we don't have to. Why is the newbie vehicle dealership near spawn? It could be anywhere in the city. Why do we get to choose the clothing and facial features in the menu and not have to drive there ourselves? It's all because they system should allow you to dive straight into roleplay without having to spend 5 minutes here, 5 there and so on to just set yourself up and this is something that people just forgot about.

  

  On 12/10/2020 at 12:29 PM, Juicebox said:

First of all, the driver test lets you know what the speed limits are. Whether you want to know them or not, this is needed for new characters so they aren’t clueless. When’s the last time you checked the penal code for speed limits? 
 

Also almost everyone should be interested in driving realistically. We’re in a heavy RP server. The bigger problem is that no one drives realistically. I’d argue people need a more strict drivers test, not get rid of it. It should be required for someone’s first character, but after that I’d agree to something more expedited. 

Yes, that's one reason why it is important, however the speed limit is a really, really, really small part of it. The rest is just pointless driving around with a huge possiblity of failing the test for a hundred different unknown reasons. No character uses the driving test as part of their character's development, I've never seen it. It's just an unnecessary chore you have to do when you create a new charcter. I'm all for doing it if something IC led to you having your license revoked, but not just because. Just remember that all people who speed around or drive unrealistically have went through this test. People who are driving normally and carefully are doing so because they want to be more realistic, not because the test told them to. It has nothing to do with the test, but the person. The test does nothing and helps no one.

 

Just have a prompt asking whether your character needs a license or they don't (in case they're underage or whatever other reasons) and if you choose yes, have a very short summary of the rules printed in your chat or something.

 

 

The driving test is just a very old concept that dates back to the very first RP server which was automatically passed from one to another (just like ads, factions and such, except that this one's useless).

[orca112 325]

I feel the driving test should stay along with the tutorial for at least the first character created on an account to offer a brief introduction to the server and it's most important Script features, general roleplay etiquette and regulations such as speed limits. As a new player and new to roleplay in general, it is much better to be given some guidance rather than spawning at the airport and being left on your own from the very beginning with little to no knowledge about the script features or basic regulations such as speed limits, licensing, etc.