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I've been dating "Mike" for about two months. We were at a coffee shop the other day and the barista called out a male name. A young woman picked up the drink. Mike followed her toward the door (about 10 feet), tapped her on the shoulder, and said something like "The barista called out [male name], is that you?" The young woman got very upset and made a huge stink, implied that Mike was being racist (she was a person of color) and accusing her of stealing the drink. Mike was very upset by this and has brought it up several times in indignation, wanting me to validate that he did nothing wrong.
(I will note that I have no actual idea whether the drink was hers. But if I had been by myself, I would probably have guessed it was for her boyfriend or something.)
I am not sure what to say to Mike, each time it comes up. So far I have just reassured him that I knew his heart was in the right place. But the more discussions we have about it, the more I wonder if there is something else I am supposed to say, or feel, about it. One thing the young woman said that has really stuck with me is that it's not his job to police other people's behavior, an idea I definitely agree with. But we also haven't been together quite long enough for me to draw any major conclusions or to try to counsel him to confront his own [whatever, racism or paternalism or whatever was behind his actions that day].
And on top of these, we have his bringing it up "several times," seeking "validat[ion]," and therefore actively resisting the idea he might have foxed this up badly? Yikes, Mike.
I am all for open-mindedness--when there's something to be open to. Meaning, where there's evidence of complexity in someone's choices. I am all for mulligans--when the other person knows their first shot missed badly.
Mike? Neither. Thinks he was in the right, even after being called wrong. Two possibilities: that he really does still think he was right to make a bunch of assumptions, or knows he was wrong and responds to the bad feels of that by doubling down. Neither points to a mature person.
Please say what you're thinking: "Okay: I agree with her that it wasn't your place to make assumptions and police others' coffee." See how he takes that.
In general, be wary of people who can't humble themselves enough to look inward, rethink, admit fault. That's where many huge problems start.
Meanwhile, my older brother was already engaged to "Amy" and their wedding is in June. Amy is an only child with very wealthy, well-connected parents, and they are having a very fancy, pricey wedding that is already being very hotly anticipated by my own family.
Yes, I realize that the wedding is not the marriage. I am not jealous, per se, that my brother gets to have a fancy wedding and I don't—I consider myself a more highly evolved person than that. But I DO have feelings of frustration about spending what is, for my fiancé and me, a not-small amount of money on something that is going to be so much lesser, three months after my brother's wedding. Amy and I are bridesmaids in each other's weddings and I feel self-conscious every time we discuss plans—by every measure, her setup is going to be fancier and more beautiful than mine. And even though, no that doesn't matter, my head keeps saying my fiancé and I should just elope for cheap rather than spending money to do something so much less nice. I'm not proud of this feeling! I also don't know whether I should be talking myself into or out of it. What do you think?
I've been to some high-end weddings that were great, too; this is not an anti-elitist pile-on. I'm merely pointing out that it's the couple and the guests (and kinda the music) who make a wedding, not the price tag.
So, two pieces of advice. First, focus on making your wedding *fun.* That's it. No other goal.
Second, ask yourself whether you're harboring another, different, possibly bigger stress that you're redirecting toward the wedding-budget issue. The whole preoccupation with your brother's event has a whiff of being easier to get upset about than the actual thing that's bugging you. Not a sure thing, I'm not a mind-reader, but worth a think.
When my husband and I started having children (my oldest is now 2.5), he told her Grandmama was off the table (because I am my children’s mama) and just started calling her Grandma. She has at every birthday and holiday signed gifts and cards from Grandmama, G-Mama, and once Mama, and at each one my husband has approached her kindly to remind her of our boundary. This past Christmas, once again, a pile of gifts showed up from G-Mama, and it definitely annoyed my, at the time, 35 weeks pregnant self. My husband called to confront again, and instead of feigning ignorance flipped out, told him Grandmama was a sign of respect for her, that she was “triggered” (her words) by being called Grandma and that she had told me that (she had not), and to just call her back when we’ve decided what to call her.
Around that time his dad started asking when they could book flights to come meet our son, and my husband said until things are smoothed over with his mom, they should hold off. But here we are, 8-9 weeks later and my husband has had multiple conversations and nothing is resolved. She’s still insistent that Mama is who she is, has offered no apology for the boundary violation or accepted any responsibility in this situation, and has even asked if we’ll reconsider calling her mama when my kids outgrow calling me mama. We are just at a standstill, and I feel most bad for my husband who would love for his parents to come meet our son (but is standing firm that we need reconciliation) and I feel bad for his dad who is stuck in the middle. And honestly I feel bad for her that she’s dying on the hill or a nickname over meeting what is in all likelihood her last grandchild while he’s still wee.
But what do I do? This whole situation has made things so uncomfortable in what is already an extremely strained relationship (she has boundary violated in other ways over the last 8 years). I don’t think I can sit in the same room with her, but my son is 2 weeks old and not getting younger, and I would hate for them to miss seeing him sometime soon in what is this fleeting moment. Help.
She's the most ridiculous one, but still. What's wrong with Grandmama or G-mama? It's grandmother. Grand-mother. Part grand, part mother. The grand can be gran, gram, G-, Big; the mother can be ma, mama, mom, momma. As long as they're paired, they're grandmother, aren't they, with mother built-in?
I do get the bristling at the unpaired "mama." It's a subcategory in the billion MIL questions, that boundary challenged grandmothers angle for mother-like titles and can't abide the "grand." You're right to say it's not okay with you and your husband is a champ for holding firm.
It's also a proxy for an important boundary around your family unit. The fact that she didn't just work with you on this is persuasive evidence that she's in it for the power struggle and not for the inclusion.
But you joined her in it--that's what I mean by the crowded hill. I am actually not concerned about whether anyone gets to see your new baby in this stage or one a few weeks, months, or years later--in part because that is, again, clearly not Gamamamama's priority. She wants to Matter The Very Most, and people who think that way are inherently not the best for your kids. So, for you and your husb, especially as new parents, it's more worth it to get the relationship right than to get the grandmother and kid in the same room.
You're just not going to get the relationship right as one team in a tug of war.
The position of power is one you'll find when you talk to your husband and make a decision about what you will and won't accept from his mother, which has "at what cost" built into the calculation. Are you ready never to see her again if she won't change her name? Will that feel right to you? What about G-mama or Grandmama. If that's the best you can get, will that do? And when you agree to that and let her know, and she shows up and calls herself "Mama" around the baby, will you show her the door?
Role play this down to the last variable, and then make up your minds, and then follow through together. That's actual power, which in turn reveals her kind of power as the tantrum it really is.
You have been honest with him about who you are and what matters to you, which is all you could have done.
As you go through this, I hope this helps some: You're making a choice we all face at some point, to have our pain either in a huge, seemingly unbearable single dose, or spread out into a little bit of pain every day for the rest of our lives. The fundamental differences between you and his dishonesty with you about those differences took the no-pain option off the table.
Again, I am so sorry. Take care.
My biggest regret for my wedding planning? Being concerned other people would judge our wedding against the other two. No one did. My husband's family isn't like that anyways and I knew that. I heard during wedding planning "comparison is the theft of joy" which I would say to myself but wish I would have internalized more.
The wedding industrial complex is insane but have some fun planning and just be present for you and your brother as much as you can! (And give yourself a break too)
To clarify: There is no right answer to the "why" question. The right answer is calling on him to own who he is, out loud.
Longer-term is where this matters. Even though the news was unwelcome, it's information you're better off now for having. You aren't just left to wait and wonder. In time, as you occupy your life as usual but with the new information, you will start to see and experience things differently. Maybe that will also point to your staying right where you are; maybe that will point you in a new direction.
The former Straight Spouse Network, now ourpath.org, is mainly for hetero people married to spouses who come out as LGBTQ, but also as asexual. Might be a place to start.
I am in my late 20s and seeing all my friends in long term relationships and wondering when will it be my turn? I didn't pick the best guys in the past and am taking some time off the dating scene (apps are exhausting!). It just feels awful to see my past mistakes vs. my loved in friends. I know I shouldn't compare but it's so hard to feel left behind, and I can feel all the societal pressure/family asking why I am not married on my shoulders.
Anyone who is pairing off now because it seems like pairing-off time is in for a tough surprise. Do you really think people happen to meet the just-right partners to spend their lives with between ages 23 and 33? Doesn't a more scattered distribution make more sense?
Keep making choices based on what you need, what you want, what suits you. Keep doing the hard work of questioning initial reflexes that haven't served you well in the past. Keep working on the relationship between your thoughts and your feelings, which are the two sentries tasked with taking care of you throughout your life. They don't just sync up perfectly from Day 1. They require a little training and real-world experience to get their act together.
As you work with them on this, also take some opportunities to practice telling nosy or judgy people to back the erf off. Workshop a few bland phrases that give people absolutely nothing. "Interesting, thanks."
Is this what is going to undo us all--this surging, roiling, in most cases [something]-ist need to charge in and uphold some underinformed, misapplied (if not outright fever-dreamt) standard against the marauding horde of Others? It's so damn sick.
If it helps give some light at the end of the tunnel, I finally met my person at the age of 37. We both had relationship issues in the past, and I can honestly say that had I met him earlier, before I learned all of those important things about myself and what I wanted, we wouldn't be together. But we're both older, wiser, and are ready for the rest of our lives together because of all those hard times that came before, and the independence we learned to have as our own individual selves. :-)
And to push it into ridiculosity, I'm not sure the value of "continue to work on YOU- your hobbies, your interests, your dreams; travel where you want, do what you want, and never feel like you're less than" comes up enough in the context of people who are paired. It's good self-management policy regardless.
I know I used your well-meant support as a launchpad, so thank you.
Seriously, I can't see why the asexuality support and advice would be any different.
LW should hold her ground, and her MIL will come around, if only as a result of pressure from her FIL. In LW’s place, I would not apologize to my husband, as this result is wholly his mother’s doing. But I would thank him thoroughly for the (expected) support.
Second offense gets compassionate inquiry plus the benefit of the doubt as to her reasons: "Everything okay? I notice you're checking your phone a lot."
Alternate route: Whenever you host, say, "Phones off, please? Thanks," right as you sit for a meal. Do it every time and you won't single anyone out.
As always, the laws of context apply. The quality of her companionship matters more than any one thing.
Like, this common: I actually talked to someone often as they were going through a similar transition--they lived very far from a parent with worsening dementia, and the parent did not want to move, and my friend did manage to move the parent nearby into an appropriate care facility. One strategy used was to say they'd keep the parent's house vs. selling it right away, so the parent could move back if the new arrangement didn't stick. It did stick, and they had to hold onto the house only for a little while.
I won't say this is right for everyone, but it was right for this family and dropped the stress levels way down for the parent who was terrified of the change. I mention it because it represents the kind of idea that people with elder care and dementia care experience can recommend.
Even if you're not able to pull off a relocation--or if you are and it introduces new and now super-local problems--consulting with an expert can give you a regular place to offload your stress and get some needed care for the caregiver.
He has found treatment that works. That is so great for him. Now he can participate more fully in life, no exaggeration.
The gift you, his neurotypical spouse, can give him is the (ADHD-hostile, ergo anxiety-inducing) executive paperwork/legwork to keep him in treatment. You don't have to run everything for him, just this. So do it. It will make him a fuller participant in literally everything else about your lives.
Anyway. Even if the bullying 14-year-old brother cuts the crap immediately, which I hope he does, the sister can also benefit from both kind words and training/role playing from the grandparent in this scenario. So, "I see that he loves you but what he's doing is not okay, you don't deserve it. No one deserves poor treatment." Then you get into the specifics on not reacting explosively: "I see him provoke you, that's on him, but it's also important not to react to provocation." This is actually much harder. The brother just needs to practice simple kindness. Not reacting when provoked is emotional regulation under pressure, which is one of the hardest things for people to do, especially young ones. But it's doable. The most accessible for a kid is to work with her to think of things that help her feel better *in the moment*--imagine a happy place, walk away, have a deflecting phrase ready, ask someone for help, repeat a mantra in her head, have a stone or bead in her pocket to hold onto, and so on. And to role-play and practice these things till they become a reflex or habit under stress.
I think it's also important to say that it's not fair that the one who reacts is often the one who gets in trouble, not the one who provokes--but it's a real thing, and being unfair doesn't mean it's ever going to stop happening. (more)
(If anyone tries to take it, btw, I'm throwing hands.)
How can we somehow merge into this new role as parents of the new relationship? Her new partner is very nice and wants to get to know us.
Any suggestions?
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