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CONTENT NOTE: This essay contains sentences that would look bad taken out of context. In the past, I’ve said “PLEASE DON’T TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT” before or after these, but in the New York Times’ 2021 article on me, they just quoted the individual sentence out of context without quoting the “PLEASE DON’T TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT” statement following it. To avoid that, I will be replacing spaces with the letter “N”, standing for “NOT TO BE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT”. If I understand journalistic ethics correctly, they can’t edit the sentence to remove the Ns - and if they kept them, people would probably at least wonder what was up.


Here’s a post about HiTOP, a scientifically-grounded taxonomy of mental disorders meant to compete with the DSM. It has many good features (see further discussion here about advantages and disadvantages) and deserves more attention. But one claim stood out. The author of the post writes:

Some critics have argued that healthy behaviours are sometimes labelled as ‘disordered’ simply because they don’t fit our culture-bound vision of normal behaviour. The most famous example of this, of course, is homosexuality. As late as DSM-III, homosexuality was classed as a ‘sexual deviation’, and could be treated by psychiatrists as a form of psychological dysfunction. It was removed from later editions in response to mounting pressure, but the problem arguably still remains in other areas [. . .]

DSM alternatives say this all the time. “The DSM pathologized homosexuality! That means it reflects our biases and stereotypes! Let’s replace it with our purely biological, apolitical taxonomy of mental disorders!”

But HiTOP and its relatives won’t solve the problem of political bias in mental disorder classification. Nothing will ever solve that problem, because it comes from people wanting an incoherent thing.

For example: does the DSM classify transgender as a mental disorder? Hard to say. It includes 302.85: Gender Dysphoria, defined as “a marked incongruence between one's experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender”. It also includes approximately one million caveats saying that transgender definitely isn’t a mental disorder. Why the contradiction? Because regardless of the philosophical definition of mental disorder, the practical definition is:

  • If you call something a mental disorder, insurance has to cover treatment for it, which is good.

  • But if you call something a mental disorder, people will accuse you of trying to stigmatize them, which is bad.

The DSM writers are trans-friendly and want to make sure trans people can get the care they need (for example, in most states, people need a psych evaluation before they can get gender affirmation surgery), so they want to force insurance companies to cover transgender, so they have to include it. But they also don’t want to stigmatize trans people, so they also include a lot of paragraphs about how even though they just listed it as a mental disorder, it definitely isn’t a mental disorder.

(a common claim is that the DSM says transgender itself is not a mental disorder, but the distress it produces is. This doesn’t seem especially destigmatizing to me - yes, you’re the wrong gender, but you’re crazy for being unhappy about it? - and also, I can’t find support for this distinction in a literal reading of the DSM criteria themselves)

When the DSM is political, it’s not (just) because the authors are ideologues and want to go around stigmatizing people they don’t like. It’s because “is X a mental disorder or not?” is scientifically meaningless but politically very important.

I’ll give an even worse example: from N a N biological N point N of N view N, homosexuality N and N pedophilia N are probably N pretty N similar. Both are “sexual targeting errors”: from an evolutionary point of view, our genes get passed down through couplings with sexually mature opposite-sex partners, and our instincts probably evolved to promote this. But instincts are hard - ducks sometimes decide humans are their mother and imprint on them - so sexual targeting errors are pretty common. I’m just speculating here - nobody has a strong evidence-based theory of either condition - but I think my speculations fit the small amount of evidence there is (for example, both are only weakly linked to genetics, suggesting they involve unconscious learning in some way).

If this is accurate, the N relevant N difference N between N homosexuality N and N pedophilia N is N moral N, not N biological. Both are sexual targeting errors, but one re-targets sexuality onto other people who can consent and won’t be harmed, so it’s fine. The other targets people who can’t consent and will be harmed, so it’s bad.

So N, should N your N purely N biological N, apolitical N, taxonomy N of N mental N disorders N classify N homosexuality N as N a mental N illness, N or N should N it N refuse N to N classify N pedophilia N as N a N mental N illness?

We have to classify pedophilia as a mental illness, because we want insurance to pay for treatment. If someone shows up at a psychiatrist saying “Help, I feel an urge to molest children, is there anything you can do to get rid of that urge or prevent me from acting on it?”, I definitely want insurance to pay for this person’s treatment. Therefore, pedophilia “is” “a” “mental” “illness”, and no sophisticated categorization algorithm will ever convince me otherwise.

That N means N that N a N purely N biological N apolitical N taxonomy N of N mental N disorders N which N classifies N all N things N with N similar N biological N causes N in N the N same N way N would N also N probably N classify N homosexuality N as N a N mental N disorder. But the whole point of these purely biological apolitical taxonomies of mental illness was to make sure we would never again repeat the DSM’s error of calling homosexuality a mental disorder!

The authors of these apolitical taxonomies want an incoherent thing. They want something which doesn’t think about politics at all, and which simultaneously is more politically correct than any other taxonomy.

Or if “political correctness” sounds too dismissive, we can rephrase it as: “they want something that doesn’t think about ethics and practicality at all, but which is simultaneously more ethically correct and pragmatically correct than other taxonomies”. That is, we want our definition of “mental disorder” to be ethical (eg not stigmatize people who don’t deserve stigma). And we want it to be practical (eg identify a group of people who need and deserve care). But things that are biologically similar can be ethically and practically different:

  • Hitting kittens is worse than hitting punching bags, even though the biology of the muscle movements is exactly the same in both cases.

  • We may want to categorize being addicted to meth differently from being addicted to Twitter, even if the neurobiology behind both addictions turns out to be similar, just because meth addicts have the bad luck to be addicted to something that’s really bad for them and for society.

  • Pedophilia N is N worse N than N homosexuality N, not N because N the N biology N necessarily N involves N different N processes N or N brain N regions, N but N because N it’s N important N for N your N sexual N partners N to N be N able N to N consent.

  • Panic disorder should be a mental disorder, and meditative bliss states should not be a mental disorder, even if they involve similar mental feedback mechanisms.

So your purely biological, apolitical taxonomy of mental disorders will either:

  • Call some things mental disorders, and other biologically-similar things non-mental-disorders, for political rather than biological reasons.

  • Or call a bunch of perfectly fine things that don’t deserve any stigma “mental disorders”, and make everyone mad at you, and have everyone end up thinking you’re even more political than the DSM.

New taxonomies of mental disorders are still useful for other reasons. I’m not criticizing HiTOP - I like HiTOP - and the DSM is still silly for a lot of reasons. This post is not an attack on new taxonomies full stop. It’s just the claims to be able to avoid political bias in what is vs. isn’t a disorder that I find compelling.

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NJ
41 min ago

Do psychoanalysts still believe homosexuality is a psychological dysfunction?

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UK
37 min ago

I suspect nothing will actually stop the NYT taking you out of context. You’ll probably just get something stupider about the Ns being a dog whistle: “Scott Alexander drops N bombs in article comparing pedophilia to homosexuality.”

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Howie
34 min ago

What's with the N's? Am I OOTL?

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Paul Goodman
28 min ago

Scott explained it in literally the first paragraph of this post.

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Howie
22 min ago

Oh right. I was skimming through email and didn't sink into the post until a few paragraphs in. Thanks

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Leah Libresco Sargeant
Writes Other Feminisms
36 min ago

Yes, this has always been a weird thing about "Born this Way" moral arguments. Each of us is born with certain tendencies we want very much to transcend, some of which would be immoral to indulge. You can't sidestep ethics with appeals to biology.

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Shankar Sivarajan
Writes Shankar’s Newsletter
32 min ago

Well, you CAN, but only if you're willing to adopt a particularly … elegant ethical system.

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Howie
24 min ago

I interpret "born this way" as an appeal to the same cultural sympathies that helped race relations make real gains in the late 20th century. Homosexuality is at the very least more mutable than race, so your point is taken. But positively affirming the ethics of homosexuality wasn't a winning strategy when progress was being pushed for. I'm not surprised "born this way" got as much traction as it did.

Plus, this isn't like anger issues or nail biting or some objectively bad thing. If someone likes the way they are and they aren't hurting anyone, why change?

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Alexander
21 min ago

Very much so. It doesn't matter where desire comes from, only whether one acts on it.

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doopydoo
16 min ago

I think the "Born this way" argument is more a counter-argument against people who shout homosexuality is unnatural. The default opinion is that any behavior is morally neutral; you have to argue why a behavior is morally wrong. "Born this Way" are counter-arguments to homosexuality being wrong; not an argument that homosexuality is right.

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SurvivalBias
35 min ago

"the relevant difference between homosexuality and pedophilia is moral, not biological." (edited for clarity) <- I believe this is how you quote it out of context.

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Stuart
34 min ago

N this N was N a N great N post N.

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Braxton
31 min ago

The inserted 'N's make parts of this virtually illegible. Honestly, at this point, does it really make a material difference to you if some media outlet takes something you said out of context, yet again?

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doopydoo
15 min ago

I didn't find them that bad and in fact found it kind of funny in small doses. I definitely wouldn't want to read more posts with this as a common technique though.

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Laura Creighton
15 min ago

Catching them at it might be fun.

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Magus
31 min ago

Have you ever delved into likely theories of what may driv emale obligate homosexuality? Do you find Greg Cochran's 'germ' theory plausible? https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/greg-cochrans-gay-germ-hypothesis-an-exercise-in-the-power-of-germs/

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TTAR
29 min ago

Oh, but Scott, I do want the taxonomy that correctly identifies mental disorders the way your N'd statements above do. I want that very much. That would be psychology finally getting off its ass and doing something useful. You could have a dual-classification scheme: 1) is this maladaptive in the patient's current environs? and 2) is there reason to think it's biologically maladaptive in the EEA? In the case of your two listed sexual targeting errors, the answer is overall yes to 1 and 2 for both.

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Sergei
29 min ago

Tagged "a post I will regret having written" I assume.

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Jack Sorensen
28 min ago·edited 27 min ago

I think in the future you should use a marker other than "N". Having the word "a" surrounded by Ns looks like "N a N" which makes me think of NaN, the floating point number value. And "all N things N" makes me think of a mathematical theorem.

Maybe you can use the Hebrew letter aleph, or one of the weirder Greek letters like the one that's not Zeta?

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henrique barbosa
Writes This week in ESG policy and reg…
24 min ago

Fully agreed. Trying to come up with fully biological explanations for human behavior seems to be mostly some kind of "Hard Sciences Fetish", a silly attempt to remove humanness from human behavior. In the end of the day pooping is completely biologically determined, but if you pooped your pants on a board meeting that biological explanation wouldn't go very far.

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Bill in Glendale
24 min ago

Scott, any opinion on the rapid rise in teenage girls claiming gender disphoria? It certainly looks like a social contagion.

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Scott Alexander
10 min ago·edited 10 min agoAuthor

Almost all mental phenomena have some element of social contagion, see https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-crazy-like-us for more.

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John Carter
Writes Postcards From Barsoom
23 min ago

Since homosexuality pretty clearly is a mental disorder (in addition to the obvious evolutionary mismatch, there's a very high rate of comorbidity with other mental disorders), the problem here seems straightforward. Psychiatry is under the influence of politically motivated activists. As is the rest of the academy. As long as that continues to be the case, squaring the circle of empirical science and politics will be impossible. Indeed as you note, politics and science are intrinsically irreconcilable, so a better way of putting it is: so long as ideologically motivated actors insist on twisting science into pretzels to conform to their preferences about how the world should be, attempts to develop things like biological taxonomies of mental disorders are doomed from the outset.

The solution is quite obvious but a lot of people won't like it.

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Awais Aftab
Writes Psychiatry at the Margins
23 min ago

The DSM at least makes a half-decent attempt at defining mental disorder, RDoC and HiTOP don’t even bother articulating a coherent notion of psychopathology nor do they address the demarcation problem. I am convinced that there is no value-free biological answer to the demarcation problem. I reviewed some of the philosophical issues around this in a journal article “Mental disorder and social deviance” for International Review of Psychiatry: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09540261.2020.1815666 (you can access pdf here: https://www.awaisaftab.com/uploads/9/8/4/3/9843443/aftab___rashed_mental_disorder_and_social_deviance_irp_2021.pdf )

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Alexander
22 min ago

Isn't the main difference that pedophilia is a criminal act if the desire is acted upon?

I don't really understand why homosexuality wouldn't be classified as a paraphilia (aside from influential people who were into it successfully lobbying to have it reclassified). "Can consent and won't be harmed" does not seem to be a consistent delineation between paraphilia and "variants of normal sexuality." Case in point, coprophilia/coprophagia is still classified as a paraphilia in the DSM. "Men kissing men is okay but poop is icky" is hardly a consistent principle. Same case for zoophilia.

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Scott Alexander
8 min agoAuthor

Yes, my point is that "criminal act" is a political category, not a biological one.

I agree that "paraphilia" is a useful category, although not as well-defined as people might like (is oral sex a paraphilia? should anyone care about that question either way?)

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Sarg
22 min ago

If you just optimize for truth and don't get irrationally angry at things you like sharing categories with things you don't like you are able to just wipe all of these downsides away like so much irrelevant screeching. Sure, homosexuality is a mental disorder, it has a clear downside if you would like to have biological children with your preferred partner. It shares a category with pedophilia as well as being unreasonably kind and self sacrificing. This is not a category on the moral dimension.

Optimizing for truth is nice, you spend far less time playing naval gazing word games terrified that the total nonsense you made up so that you could have your cake and eat it too comes back to bite you.

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Scott Alexander
6 min agoAuthor

I don't think there is a "truth of the matter" on what is or isn't a mental disorder. Is video game addiction? Is playing video games at all? Is being annoying on Twitter? Is wanting to be divorced even though your relationship is going sort of kind of okay but isn't interesting anymore? Categorization has to depend somewhat on questions about what categories it would be useful to put things in, because it's underdetermined by purely epistemic factors

(Zack to show up and object in 3. . .2 . . .1. . . )

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Luke T. Harrington
Writes Manipulate, Moonsplain, Murder-…
21 min ago

I’m not convinced Twitter is any better for you than meth

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Alexander
15 min ago

Indeed. Surely the measure of the harm of addiction is how much it prevents one from functioning in daily life, as well as any physiological damage from consuming whatever substance.

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Trevor W
10 min ago

And indeed, a large proportion of the DSM's diagnostic criteria for addictions of any kind emphasize these aspects.

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Sergei
20 min ago

Journalist: "We can't edit quotes!" Editor: "We can selectively pick fonts for emphasis and readability! Use a transparent font for N and say that you blipped out the N-word."

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Witness
17 min ago

The underlying issue is that having a mental disorder doesn't warrant stigma, while having an untreated mental disorder which poses a danger to oneself or others *does* warrant stigma proportional to the likelihood and magnitude of danger posed.

Please go ahead and label things mental disorders that you want to have treated by mental health professionals. Please don't stigmatize any of them any more than is necessary. I recognize that this is a hard problem that we don't and won't agree on the boundaries of. This does not absolve us from making our best efforts.

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MentalDoc
14 min ago

Have you read the HiTOP proposal? Unless I missed something, the HiTop is not proposing a strictly biologically based taxonomy of mental disorders at all nor is anyone serious.

The DSM and any future taxonomy can effectively distinguish between pedophilia and homosexuality and the other conditions you list with the harm criteria, which requires the presence of distress, impairment in functioning, or involvement of non-consenting victims.

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Scott Alexander
5 min agoAuthor

I'm not objecting to HiTOP, I'm objecting to the way it was described.

I agree that the harm criteria is useful, but this is a social rather than a biological criterion, which is my point.

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Patrick D. Farley
14 min ago

> *takes shot*

> Ctrl+F N

> bring it on

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mbka
6 min ago

Kudos for this. BTW, companion issue, so to speak:

- Homosexuality: "Born this way" good.

- Gender: "Born this way" bad.

Any comments?

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Trevor W
1 min ago

I agree with the thrust of this post, as nicely summarized by Leah Libresco Sargeant in her comment.

That said, if you're concerned about a comparison between homosexuality and pedophilia being taken out of context, it seems prudent to at least to give that comparison a thorough examination. Much has been written on how

some rate of homosexuality may be evolutionarily adaptive, but to my knowledge there is no equivalent corpus for pedophilia. Of course, setting out to prove such a theory would be somewhat taboo, but so was the earlier research on homosexuality - to the extent that it lacked an implicit or explicit condemnation of homosexuals - and yet the work exists. I certainly don't see how sexual targeting of sexually immature individuals could be adaptive.

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