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  • Problems and proposed countermeasures caused by specification changes that increase the drop probability of exotics at higher difficulty levels

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    TK105
    Original poster 92 posts
    Sep 2, 2022, 2:50 AM

    We would like to point out at this time the problems that are "very likely to be triggered" afterwards by the following changes released in the Season 10 Phase 2 patch notes.
    Introducing such a change would definitely give users a new and insane pharming method that would allow them to easily obtain exotics at an extraordinary speed and in such huge numbers in such a short time that it would rival the problem of "Summit 10F," and in a bad way would undermine the scarcity value of exotic drops.

    QUALITY OF LIFE CHANGES
    - Starting from World Tier 5 and above, Exotic items will now have a small chance to drop from any NPC in the entire game, starting from Challenging difficulty

    • The chance increases with higher difficulties


    At this point in time, there is already a pharming method that uses fast travel with the global difficulty set to Heroic and all directives enabled (maximum experience gain) to pinpoint and track down and defeat only "Resource Convoys," and under the settings I just described It takes only one minute to complete one Resource Convoy.

    After completing one Resource Convoy, it takes about 1 minute to reach the next Resource Convoy location using fast travel.
    Arrive at the next Resource Convoy in 1 minute, complete defeat in 1 minute... In other words, about every 2 minutes, a Resource Convoy can be defeated indefinitely. This can be done endlessly, almost without a break, continuously and continuously. With the current specifications as they are now.
    If you can imagine, we don't need to tell you what will happen if we add "exotic" "drop probability increase" to the current situation, which is Heroic difficulty, all directives are effective, and a huge amount of experience is gained every 2 minutes.
    If experience can be gained in a short amount of time, SHD levels can be raised by the minute, and more and more exotic items will become available in the future, EXP farming will drive up the excessive high speed leveling.

    The following is a summary of the issues regarding the "Resource Convoys" on the current map.
    1. The maximum number of Resource Convoy occurrences that can occur on a map is too large in the current configuration.
    (Many situations where 8 to 10 Resource Convoys are generated on the map. So we're in a situation where it's possible to keep knocking them down in endless succession.)
    2. The pace at which Resource Convoy reappears is too fast.
    (Immediately after completing one Resource Convoy, a new one reappears almost immediately in another location, creating the problem of an endless loop.)
    3. Problem with too much experience gained when completing Resource Convoy.

    The following specification changes are needed to address the above issues or to prevent abnormally fast pharming cycles of approximately every 2 minutes.
    1. To keep and reduce the maximum number of "Resource Convoys" appearing on the map within the limits of common sense. Set an upper limit to the number of appearances.
    2. The time interval for the next reappearance of "Resource Convoy" should be set longer.
    3. It may be safe to reduce the experience gained per Convoy to about one-fifth of what it is now.
    (It is up to the current development team to decide whether to lower the experience level and, if so, how much to lower it.)

    Releasing it in its current live server state would, again, cause tremendous pharming problems.
    By using Resource Convoy, you will gain a large amount of experience, and the drop rate of exotic items will increase... You can guess what users will do after that, can't you?
    The number of live-streams of existing players hunting only for Resource Convoys will increase, and new players will imitate them to get a high level and a lot of exotic items in a short period of time. This is a situation that will become so extreme that it will be difficult to control it at all.

    As a countermeasure, please make sure to incorporate the above changes "at this stage before release".
    I will pass this on as early as possible at this time as my feedback/opinion. It is more of a wake-up call and warning than a suggestion.

    I appreciate the development team for thinking of new ideas and offering them to us, but something is missing every time, the ideas are poorly thought out, and there is always always a flaw in the idea.
    Whenever you come up with an idea, I ask you to imagine a few months into the future, after the specification is implemented, and give it a little more careful thought to see if it will lead to any problems.
    But always an ambitious attempt, thank you. Division 2 team and all the support team.

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  • SuspiciousPixel
    537 posts
    Sep 2, 2022, 4:39 PM

    @TK105

    Convoys do not rival Floor 10 in consistency, ease of farming whilst solo or in groups, knowledge required and XP.

    • You don't know the percentage for exotic components and exotic items drops are from Challenging difficulty +
    • You've posted a static snapshot showing resource convoys in a best case scenario situation.
    • The number of convoys that appear are RNG
    • Convoys don't spawn at night
    • There is no video showing you getting all these convoys.
    • Convoys "can be" slower than Floor 10.
    • Convoys gives less SHD p/hour.
    • You cannot cheese ammo hoarders directive in open world.
    • Most random players don't even have a regulus which makes convoy farming easy to do.
    • Most random players can't even hit headshots because they are too used to their skill builds.
    • Random roaming NPCS, rogue agents slow down resource convoy farms.
    • Convoys take place in a dynamic world!
    • There are convoys that appear on the map cannot be reached in time because they are entering or leaving Control Points making them risky.
    • Fast travelling accelerates convoys making them difficult to reach in time.
    • Why haven't these clickbait Youtube Division content creators made videos on something which has been around since 2020 if it's so easy to do?
    • Experienced gamers will be able to do it with ease. They've learnt when to engage the convoy to manipulate spawn locations etc
    • Doing convoys in a group means more npcs, higher ttk, specialist builds and more coordination through communications for fast traveling.
    • It requires much more knowledge, experience, time to learn how to do Convoys efficiently. You've got to learn an entire map!
    • My opinion is that convoys are much harder to do whilst being more fun and dynamic. It's not comparable to F10.










  • Johnny.D
    24 posts
    Sep 8, 2022, 2:59 PM

    Oh no! People are going to farm XP/resources in a game that was designed for farming. Truly a tragedy 😞

  • Whiskytex
    77 posts
    Sep 8, 2022, 9:03 PM

    🙄

  • SuspiciousPixel
    537 posts
    Sep 9, 2022, 4:20 PM

    Not exactly going to make people farm Open World is it (Source: Trello)

  • Whiskytex
    77 posts
    Sep 9, 2022, 5:59 PM
    Not exactly going to make people farm Open World is it (Source: Trello)


    It would be nice if we knew what the current values are, for comparison.

    Anybody know?

  • SuspiciousPixel
    537 posts
    Sep 9, 2022, 6:39 PM

    @Whiskytex oh, I did ask but didn't understand the response. Maybe you can decipher what it means. Does it imply these values are added ontop of what we currently have? I still don't know the % of what we currently have.

    These are all new added chances. (On top of any other loot drops) and includes all exotics you have unlocked for drops (not Raid etc)


  • Whiskytex
    77 posts
    Sep 9, 2022, 7:54 PM
    @Whiskytex oh, I did ask but didn't understand the response. Maybe you can decipher what it means. Does it imply these values are added ontop of what we currently have? I still don't know the % of what we currently have.

    These are all new added chances. (On top of any other loot drops) and includes all exotics you have unlocked for drops (not Raid etc)


    Lol, they been hiring political speech writers.

    I agree with you, that could be interpreted a few different ways.

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