Cyberpunk: Edgerunners - Episode 8 discussion

"Another turn for the next Dreamer". Damn, that line hit like a brick

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morron88

· 5 days ago

The subs say "turn" but I heard "tale" which I think makes more sense.

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JungleKnife

Ironic that Kiwi was the one who taught Lucy to only believe in herself, and now she’s the one that’s betrayed her.

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She didnt even know it was her She just made the trap

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Doomroar

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Dammit it is not like things have ever gone well, in fact it has been a tale of a train wreck after another, and every time shit just manages to get worse somehow

There's no way this ends well for anyone, except the big corporations that so far remain untouched by all of this

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_Citizenkane

There's no way this ends well for anyone, except the big corporations that so far remain untouched by all of this

Sadly that's the truth that runs through the very core of the Cyberpunk genre.

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biglong

· 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

There's no way this ends well for anyone, except the big corporations that so far remain untouched by all of this

That's just how the cyberpunk world is, extremely unfair to everyone but the corps

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SasugaHitori-sama

· 8 days ago

[Cyberpunk 2077] Johnny Silverhand (character played by Keanu Reeves) literally detonated tactical nuke in Arasaka Tower in 2020s and in the game Arasaka is still most powerful megacorp and new Arasaka Tower stands tall. You can't really go against corporations in that world.

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Ralathar44

There's no way this ends well for anyone, except the big corporations that so far remain untouched by all of this

It's less that they go untouched and more that they always come out on top. No matter how badly something goes its never bad enough to take them down and then they just build over it...along with all the bodies and destruction. The events in the show and the game did indeed put a hurtin on some corps. But it's like a single bullet wound to them. They just remove the bullet and heal.

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Tiger951

Man, David is really losing it. Goddamnit Kiwi!

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DicksonYamada

I actually like David's character development and how his downward spiral gives more emotional weight to the phenomenon of cyberpsychosis. In Ep 1's opening scene we see that guy going psycho and figure it's just an edge case of some crazy roided up dude. Maine going psycho feels different because we know he isn't some random jackass but is a genuinely good guy. Still, it all happens pretty quickly and you figure he's always been this huge chromed up guy so he probably had it coming, right? But with David, we've been with him since the beginning of his journey and get to witness the slow build up to his impending downfall. How he goes from bright-eyed and bushy-tailed to the jaded person he is now, his relationships crumbling, people reaching out but he pushes them away, the flashbacks/PTSD, the hand jitters... you don't go cyberpsycho overnight. Despite David being the strongest he's ever been, you can tell how powerless he feels. Maybe turning into a cyberpsycho is the inevitable end point for everyone who walks this path.

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morron88

· 5 days ago

With Maine, it was interesting to see his younger self in juxtaposition.

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42069BBQ

· 7 days ago

The representation of PTSD in this episode is so damn realistic it’s crazy. When he is having the flash back to killing the woman and can’t separate it from the present and also associates it with his own life and what happened to his mom. And it all happens in an instant. Terrifying, Trigger absolutely nailed this.

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I nearly got crazy too and turnt it off lol

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sgtstickey

The vision of the director guy with machine head had Chainsaw Man vibes lol

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Necromortalium

The director was the gun devil!

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SIRTreehugger

· 8 days ago

Fuckin Kiwi

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unal991

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Nooooooo..

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Zemahem

Well, time to continue my binge of Cybersuffering: Edgerunners. Fuck's sake, David. He's truly learned nothing from Maine's tragedy and he's barreling down the same path as he did, if not a worse one. And neither of them are the first. The ripperdoc certainly seemed like he's no stranger to this mentality and eventual outcome.

That son of a bitch Faraday. He's lucky he's got such suave VAs both in the dub and sub that I can't despise him nearly as much. But he was never really an ally, so his backstabbing almost completely expected. Kiwi's betrayal hit harder as someone who was part of their crew. I guess Maine's lesson about trusting no one still ring true.

God damn, they're all fucked. I don't know how difficult it is to leave this city and/or escape Arasaka, but I wish they'd just left everything behind.

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vanguarde

I think Kiwi just helped him set up a trap. She didn't know the target netrunner was Lucy. If she did, they would've just nabbed her at home or something.

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sgtstickey

Crazy good visuals in this episode

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redmenace007

· 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

David's motivation to get as many mechanical modifications to his body seems pretty weak to me, dude was already really OP with his super speed power, just needed to get his guns skills up and he would have more potential than Maine with more experience.

Also he could see the result of Maine doing so many modification experiencing cyberpsychosis and yet he chooses to go down the same path.

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Pauvlychenko

· 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

Doc said that David's body would not keep up with the Sandevistan without mods, but yeah, he didn't need so much enhancements, but I guess he idolized Maine and wanted to be like him. Also David is obssesed with the idea that he was special and could keep it together no matter what he did to his body.

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Christopho

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David's motivation to get as many mechanical modifications to his body seems pretty weak to me, dude was already really OP with his super speed power

You can blame Maine for that. He said he would have been able to beat that one guy if he had mods. Even from the start, they showed how his normal fists were limiting his potential (him grimacing after punching that guy).

Also, we already saw from ep 7 that it wouldn't have been enough. The big fat guy was almost able to match his speed and he probably would have been dead if he didn't get mods for his legs.

And as seen from this ep, he still believes he's not going to turn out like Maine despite the fact that symptoms are actively happening and Lucy/Rebecca begging him to stop.

As an aside, getting mods would help not having to rely on Sandevistan so much since that causes the most stress on his body.

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hildra

· 7 days ago

To me David even when his mom was there seemed pretty restless and destructive. Being in this position now, after all the things that’s happened to him, is no wonder that it led him to that. I think if Lucy and him would have been more honest and present with each other, they might have been better off. The way they act in the apartment it’s like they’re old people lol. They’re so traumatized by life that they numb to it by now.

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bruhsnowybruh

· 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago

I agree totally. I really connected with and rooted for David at first, and it was awesome when he first got his hands on the Sandy because that was his unique ability, something that he could temper, refine and truly make his, but instead, he just goes ahead and mods the hell out of himself, removing a lot of his humanity and in turn most of what I liked about him in the first place for. He becomes this cybernetic monolith that just kills without any difficulty and has this cold, hyper-chad persona, all whilst ruining his mind, and it just makes him much less interesting imo. Maybe Maine's arm I could like; It's not excessive but still badass and a nice tribute to Maine, but nah he just entirely replaces his body. I get that "that's the point" because he's following in Maine's footsteps, but it's so annoying watching him mutilate himself and degrade with each episode, having become less unique and more like Maine; more like a side character.

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go4theknees

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yeah the whole time skip to chromed out David was pretty rushed and felt forced. I still liked it tho.

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OhLolKO

the sandi, maine's arms and some plates for head/legs would really have done the trick. maybe some strengthned muscles to handle the sandi better but yeah... too much too fast.

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kiddoujanse

· 8 days ago

yeah this annoyed me , like your girl is asking you to live with her and you're like nah yolo i saw what happened to maine but yolooooo

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Yea lol makes no sense

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hildra

· 7 days ago

Well shit. Every episode gets worse for everyone. I’m just waiting to see what happens to David and Lucy. David is so self destructive. Always has been since the beginning. He’s a good person but being put in that situation it was obvious he was heading that way. Also Lucy. She could never trust David. 🥲

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jaedekdee

Its explained by kiwi. Basically shes trying to delete the link between david being a prime candidate for the cyber skeleton. The reason she cant tell david is because of his addiction, if he knew we was there was a more powerful upgrade that existed“meant” for him, he would jump right in asap. Which is quite bittersweet if you think about it, David loves lucy so much, he was willing to waste himself to get more powerful so that he could always protect her, meanwhile lucy loves david so much, that shes trying to not let david tempt himself to feed his addiction more. They got their own ways of showing love in my opinion

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OhLolKO

Damned episode 8 felt forced a fuck.... the smart boy who never showed his smarts gets addicted and doing the same mistake he saw beforehand done by his friend.... the girl who keeps to herself thinking she can get away with everything.... and that convo.... damn was it forced....the only thing that didnt felt forced was kiwi's betrayal, this was forseeable from episode 3, being all bussiness and stuff.
i really wonder why writers do not think about thier characters learning through mistakes others have done... always the "i am something special" "this will never happn to me" trope... as soon as there are symptoms let them notice and take countermeasures to really make them special for once.

up until episode 7 i thought this could be a near masterpiece... well lets hope the next episode gets a redemption....

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PrCitan

Especially since it seems like David can simply reverse this by toning down on the cyborg stuff? Maybe he could just go slower? He's young and all. But no, gotta keep going. Dangit...

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darkcrazy

I could be wrong, but I was thinking back to the scenes with Maine in that episode where he died, and I'm not sure David got to see Maine really losing it.

Dorio saw most of it, and She's dead. Kiwi got pulled out of blue, and I'm not sure Dorio and Maine ever told her what happened. Both Dorio and Maine were hush-hush when talking to David and Lucy.

As far as I can recall, David only knew Maine got mad at him for asking questions and then hit him. Maine also seemed pretty lucid during his final moment with David. (David couldn’t see Maine’s hallucination like us)

Yeah, it's pretty dumb of David. The best I can guess is that he got spook by Maine's death and wants upgrades to live Maine's dream and keep his close friends safe. Sandevistan probably also helps convincing him adding more cyberwares is a solution to problems, like how he beat his bully and the Maelstrom dude with a hammer.

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HTC864

Nothing about this show has ever looked like they're were going to learn from past mistakes and somehow have a happy ending. The trainwreck started the moment they met.

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Tristan_Gabranth

· 5 days ago

Starting to dislike David. He's completely forgotten about wanting to get out of that life with Lucy, and his promise about the moon. I know cyberpunk is meant to be depressing, but c'mon! This is too much.

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ProfessionalNo1717

· 6 days ago · edited 6 days ago

I didn’t really get the ending? So did Lucy actually escaped? Didn’t David cyber tech sync stopped? Why was kiwi there again?

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OhLolKO

lucy didnt escape, kiwi betrayed the group for money and david is just going cyberpsycho because he mods himself more and more since he believes he is special.

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PrCitan

Fuck, man. I knew this wouldn't end well but I remember how nice the ending to episode 2 and 4 were (with the moon scene and when they finally first kiss and all). Of course shit would hit the fan eventually...

Why do I love the cyberpunk genre so much, despite it making things so fucking horrible for almost every character everytime?

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RockNo5773

· 1 day ago

Well fuck every episode somehow gets worse for the protagonist group yet the bad guys the corporations practically remain with no damage. That being said I can’t say David didn’t have this fate coming it was kinda obvious that after having his first implant that his body couldn’t handle it. It just sucks that he’s dragging the others down with him.

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FedIsFucked